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** Grendel is portrayed as this. Even after he starts behaving evil, it's very hard not to feel at least a little bad for him.

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** Grendel is portrayed as this. Even after he starts behaving evil, evilly, it's very hard not to feel at least a little bad for him.
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** That being said, when she was stalking Detective Riley, she killed an innocent cabbie while trying to kill him. Before this, she had made a point to only target those who were either evil or knowing accomplices. Even when she blew up Tujuro's troupe, most of them didn't seem to realize his true vampiric nature, but they were fully aware that he was in the human trafficking business, and helped him in his operations.

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** *** That being said, when she was stalking Detective Riley, she killed an innocent cabbie while trying to kill him. Before this, she had made a point to only target those who were either evil or knowing accomplices. Even when she blew up Tujuro's troupe, most of them didn't seem to realize his true vampiric nature, but they were fully aware that he was in the human trafficking business, and helped him in his operations.
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** That being said, when she was stalking Detective Riley, she killed an innocent cabbie while trying to kill him. Before this, she had made a point to only target those who were either evil or knowing accomplices. Even when she blew up Tujuro's troupe, most of them didn't seem to realize his true vampiric nature, but they were fully aware that he was in the human trafficking business, and helped him in his operations.
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* UncannyValley: Lampshaded. Grendel notes repeatedly that there's just something... ''off'' about Beowulf.

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* UncannyValley: Lampshaded. Grendel notes repeatedly that there's just something... ''off'' about Beowulf.
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* FridgeHorror: Eddie and Jocasta are only together a few months, and Hunter Rose's first novel is published shortly after Jocasta's death. With Hunter's SkunkStripe and rise to fame, one would expect someone from his fencing tournaments, or even a schoolmate or parent, would recognize the missing Eddie. [[InferredHolocaust No one ever comes forward.]]

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* FridgeHorror: Eddie and Jocasta are only together a few months, and Hunter Rose's first novel is published shortly after Jocasta's death. With Hunter's SkunkStripe skunk stripe and rise to fame, one would expect someone from his fencing tournaments, or even a schoolmate or parent, would recognize the missing Eddie. [[InferredHolocaust No one ever comes forward.]]

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** Try to get a red on Jocasta Rose. Does she love Hunter? Is her love for him genuine or is she a manipulative, child-abusing sociopath? Does she truly know what she molds Hunter into or is she an UnwittingInstigatorOfDoom? The fact she conceals her terminal illness from Hunter and all of the recollections are filtered through his biased perspective makes it even harder to discern.

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** Try to get a red read on Jocasta Rose. Does she love Hunter? Is her love for him genuine or is she a manipulative, child-abusing sociopath? Does she truly know what she molds Hunter into or is she an UnwittingInstigatorOfDoom? The fact she conceals her terminal illness from Hunter and all of the recollections are filtered through his biased perspective makes it even harder to discern.discern.
* BigLippedAlligatorMoment: After Grendel Prime’s tragic fall from an admired Paladin into an insane child-killing monster, ''Devil’s Odyssey'' finds him [[spoiler: decapitating Donald Trump]].

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* UnintentionalPeriodPiece:
** In Issue #1 of "Devils Legacy" Christine was on the PhilDonahue show where she discussed the legacy of Grendel in her family. She mused that Donahue must be about 70 by now. According to recent estimate (based on when the idea of the original Hunter Rose stories being set in the early-mid 80s), Christine's story arc would have to take place somewhere in the mid 2020's. That would make Donahue more likely to be in his 90s by then. Donahue's long running show ended in 1996 and he had a short lived show between 2002-2003. The fact that the second show didn't last a year might reflect how relevant Donahue was in the 2000s (not very). Even if he's still alive, the "serious" talk show format is out of vogue. So no one is really holding their breath thinking that he'll try again anytime soon.
** During Brian's tenure as Grendel, someone was discussing going home and watching Creator/DavidLetterman although they felt that the "old fart just aint funny anymore". Letterman retired from Late Night host in 2015; that would be about ten years before the events in the comic.
*** Averted now that Letterman has a new talk show on Netflix.
** Like the majority of 1980s era cyberpunk, the near future failed to anticipate mobile smartphones, the ubiquitous internet, and other technological developments.
** Hunter Rose's era is restricted to having occurred no later than the mid 1980s. Much of what he accomplished (including erasing all traces of his former "Eddie" identity) would not be possible with tracing and forensic technology that would be available after that. It certainly would not be possible in the digital age and post 9/11 age of surveillance.
*** Possibly averted; the exact length of Grendel's reign is never clear. Behold the Devil begins during the early days, when Grendel's existence is an open secret to the general public. This would have to be before Grendel takes over the eastern seaboard (he announces this feat to the press), and the epilogue of Behold the Devil takes place nine months after the events of the comic, shortly after Grendel's death. Given Hunter Rose is TheAce both as a writer and as Grendel, as well as Stacy Palumbo not visibly aging during her time with Hunter, it's entirely possible that the Hunter Rose identity only lasts two or three years in total, a relatively short time for anyone to seriously investigate Hunter in the first place.
*** Additionally, Eddie was a minor, with fewer records than an adult -- mostly grades, and the tournament. His social security number would be the biggest problem.
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* OlderThanTheyThink: This novel predates by a long time works like ''Literature/{{Wicked}}'' and ''Film/{{Maleficent}}'' which popularized giving a SympatheticPOV to villainous characters from classic stories.
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* CompleteMonster: Tujiro XIV is a vampiric Kabuki dancer from the 21st century who runs a HumanTrafficking outfit where countless innocents are sold into slavery, as well as having [[ChildEater his own taste for little boys]]. Tujiro favors kidnapping the boys, draining them and eating one eye while keeping the eye as a trophy, the fate that befalls the son of the second Grendel, Christine Spar. Escaping justice, Tujiro returns in a new guise as [[SinisterMinister Pope Innocent XLII]] in the 26th century, where thousands are worked to death by the church. Tujiro runs [[CorruptChurch a regime of despotic repression]] with countless innocents tortured, and children trafficked to loyal priests within the Vatican, all to keep others under his sway. Tujiro intends to use a gun to [[TheNightThatNeverEnds completely blot out the sun forever]], allowing he and his vampires to reign over a world where human beings are nothing but cattle.

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* CompleteMonster: Tujiro XIV is a vampiric Kabuki dancer from the 21st century who runs a HumanTrafficking outfit where countless innocents are sold into slavery, as well as having [[ChildEater his own taste for little boys]]. Tujiro favors kidnapping the boys, draining them and eating one eye while keeping the eye as a trophy, the fate that befalls the son of the second Grendel, Christine Spar. Escaping justice, Tujiro returns in a new guise as [[SinisterMinister Pope Innocent XLII]] in the 26th century, where thousands are worked to death by the church. Tujiro runs a [[CorruptChurch a regime of despotic repression]] with countless innocents tortured, and children trafficked to loyal priests within the Vatican, all to keep others under his sway. Tujiro intends to use a gun to [[TheNightThatNeverEnds completely blot out the sun forever]], allowing he and his vampires to reign over a world where human beings are nothing but cattle.

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* CompleteMonster: [[SerialKiller Tujiro XIV]] is a vampiric [[WickedCultured Kabuki dancer]] from the 21st century who [[WouldHurtAChild specializes in young boys]]. First he drains them of their blood while taking one of their eyes as [[CreepySouvenir a trophy]], then eating the other. Tujiro runs a human slaving operation where people are kidnapped for forced servitude and he has easy access to any child he wants. Escaping justice at the hands of the mother of a victim, Tujiro ends up as [[spoiler:Pope Innocent XLII]] in the 26th century, where thousands are worked to death and enslaved to him. Tujiro gruesomely murders those who discover his true nature and uses his position to continue his disturbing feeding habits. His ultimate goal is to create a gun to [[TheNightThatNeverEnds blot out the sun]] and establish a reign of vampires where humans are nothing but cattle.

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* CompleteMonster: [[SerialKiller Tujiro XIV]] XIV is a vampiric [[WickedCultured Kabuki dancer]] dancer from the 21st century who [[WouldHurtAChild specializes in young runs a HumanTrafficking outfit where countless innocents are sold into slavery, as well as having [[ChildEater his own taste for little boys]]. First he drains Tujiro favors kidnapping the boys, draining them of their blood while taking one of their eyes as [[CreepySouvenir a trophy]], then and eating one eye while keeping the other. Tujiro runs eye as a human slaving operation where people are kidnapped for forced servitude and he has easy access to any child he wants. trophy, the fate that befalls the son of the second Grendel, Christine Spar. Escaping justice at the hands of the mother of a victim, justice, Tujiro ends up returns in a new guise as [[spoiler:Pope [[SinisterMinister Pope Innocent XLII]] in the 26th century, where thousands are worked to death and enslaved to him. by the church. Tujiro gruesomely murders those who discover runs [[CorruptChurch a regime of despotic repression]] with countless innocents tortured, and children trafficked to loyal priests within the Vatican, all to keep others under his true nature and uses his position sway. Tujiro intends to continue his disturbing feeding habits. His ultimate goal is to create use a gun to [[TheNightThatNeverEnds completely blot out the sun]] sun forever]], allowing he and establish a reign of his vampires to reign over a world where humans human beings are nothing but cattle.

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