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** Tyene Sand's tease routine with Bronn is beginning to gain accusations of [[MaleGaze gratuitous, unnecessary objectification]]. On another note, some fans debate whether Tyene's wiliness in the scene continued to cement her (and the rest of the Sand Snakes) as TheScrappy or helped to partially get her RescuedFromTheScappyHeap while giving her actress an occasion to show SheReallyCanAct.

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** Tyene Sand's tease routine with Bronn is beginning to gain accusations of [[MaleGaze gratuitous, unnecessary objectification]]. On another note, some fans debate whether Tyene's wiliness in the scene continued to cement her (and the rest of the Sand Snakes) as TheScrappy or helped to partially get her RescuedFromTheScappyHeap a RescueFromTheScappyHeap while giving her actress an occasion to show SheReallyCanAct.
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** Tyene Sand's tease routine with Bronn is beginning to gain accusations of [[MaleGaze gratuitous, unnecessary objectification]].

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** Tyene Sand's tease routine with Bronn is beginning to gain accusations of [[MaleGaze gratuitous, unnecessary objectification]]. On another note, some fans debate whether Tyene's wiliness in the scene continued to cement her (and the rest of the Sand Snakes) as TheScrappy or helped to partially get her RescuedFromTheScappyHeap while giving her actress an occasion to show SheReallyCanAct.



*** Like Cersei said to Tommen, the first casualty of that war would be Margery and Floras. And quite frankly, it was more like Olenna was at a lost of word when facing an unusual adversary than she was threaten by him.

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*** Like Cersei said to Tommen, the first casualty of that war would be Margery and Floras. And quite frankly, it was more like Olenna was at a lost of word when facing an unusual adversary than she was threaten threatened by him.

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** That full-blown, 1790's-style revolution that the High Sparrow is threatening? It isn't possible under Westeros's current level of military technology. Similar peasant revolts from around this approximate period of time in real life (Pilgrimage of Grace, 1520's peasant rebellion in Germany, 1510's peasant rebellion in Hungary) were all smashed and ended in the downtrodden specifically being given ''less'' rights. Olenna, of all people, should know how these things end, yet she is cowed by the High Sparrow.

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*** Actually, Sansa herself said that Ramsay locked her up all day and the very first scene showed Theon unlocked her door from the outside. It was quite clear that Sansa was a prisoner. Also, the fact that Ramsay waited in the broken tower showed that he was aware of the Stark loyalist problem and took measure to prevent it.
** That full-blown, 1790's-style revolution that the High Sparrow is threatening? It isn't possible under Westeros's current level of military technology. Similar peasant revolts from around this approximate period of time in real life (Pilgrimage of Grace, 1520's peasant rebellion in Germany, 1510's peasant rebellion in Hungary) were all smashed and ended in the downtrodden specifically being given ''less'' rights. Olenna, of all people, should know how these things end, yet she is cowed by the High Sparrow.Sparrow.
*** Like Cersei said to Tommen, the first casualty of that war would be Margery and Floras. And quite frankly, it was more like Olenna was at a lost of word when facing an unusual adversary than she was threaten by him.
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* MagnificentBastard: The High Sparrow. Anyone with the chutzpa to outsnark the Queen of Thorns and lock up the Queen of Tarts deserves respect.

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* MagnificentBastard: The High Sparrow. Anyone with the chutzpa to outsnark the Queen of Thorns and lock up the Queen of Tarts Mother deserves respect.
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** That full-blown, 1790's-style revolution that the High Sparrow is threatening? It isn't possible under Westeros's current level of military technology. Similar peasant revolts from around this approximate period of time in real life (Pilgrimage of Grace, 1520's peasant rebellion in Germany, 1490's peasant rebellion in Hungary) were all smashed and ended in the downtrodden specifically being given ''less'' rights. Olenna, of all people, should know how these things end, yet she is cowed by the High Sparrow.

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** That full-blown, 1790's-style revolution that the High Sparrow is threatening? It isn't possible under Westeros's current level of military technology. Similar peasant revolts from around this approximate period of time in real life (Pilgrimage of Grace, 1520's peasant rebellion in Germany, 1490's 1510's peasant rebellion in Hungary) were all smashed and ended in the downtrodden specifically being given ''less'' rights. Olenna, of all people, should know how these things end, yet she is cowed by the High Sparrow.
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** That full-blown, 1790's-style revolution that the High Sparrow is threatening? It isn't possible under Westeros's current level of military technology. Similar peasant revolts from around this approximate period of time in real life(Pilgrimage of Grace, 1520's peasant rebellion in Germany, 1490's peasant rebellion in Hungary) were all smashed and ended in the downtrodden specifically being given ''less'' rights. Olenna, of all people, should know how these things end, yet she is cowed by the High Sparrow.

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** That full-blown, 1790's-style revolution that the High Sparrow is threatening? It isn't possible under Westeros's current level of military technology. Similar peasant revolts from around this approximate period of time in real life(Pilgrimage life (Pilgrimage of Grace, 1520's peasant rebellion in Germany, 1490's peasant rebellion in Hungary) were all smashed and ended in the downtrodden specifically being given ''less'' rights. Olenna, of all people, should know how these things end, yet she is cowed by the High Sparrow.
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* That full-blown, 1790's-style revolution that the High Sparrow is threatening? It isn't possible under Westeros's current level of military technology. Similar peasant revolts from around this approximate period of time in real life(Pilgrimage of Grace, 1520's peasant rebellion in Germany, 1490's peasant rebellion in Hungary) were all smashed and ended in the downtrodden specifically being given ''less'' rights. Olenna, of all people, should know how these things end, yet she is cowed by the High Sparrow.

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* ** That full-blown, 1790's-style revolution that the High Sparrow is threatening? It isn't possible under Westeros's current level of military technology. Similar peasant revolts from around this approximate period of time in real life(Pilgrimage of Grace, 1520's peasant rebellion in Germany, 1490's peasant rebellion in Hungary) were all smashed and ended in the downtrodden specifically being given ''less'' rights. Olenna, of all people, should know how these things end, yet she is cowed by the High Sparrow.
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** The main dubious decision by Sansa is that, given a private signal to call for help, and the manner by which to trigger it, rather than think on her own and find a way to activate it, or try and contact the servant herself, she decides to confide and give her trump card to ''the man she believes to have murdered her baby brothers and actually betrayed her elder brother Robb'' who she has absolutely no reason to trust (and outright expressed hatred for in all previous episodes).

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** The main dubious decision by Sansa is that, given a private signal to call for help, and the manner by which to trigger it, rather than think on her own and find a way to activate it, or try and contact the servant herself, she decides to confide and give her trump card to ''the man she believes to have murdered her baby brothers and actually betrayed her elder brother Robb'' who she has absolutely no reason to trust (and outright expressed hatred for in all previous episodes). The only possible explanation is that Reek is the only servant Ramsay is allowing to tend to Sansa anymore, but if this is the case, it isn't made explicitly clear.
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** The main dubious decision by Sansa is that, given a private signal to call for help, and the manner by which to trigger it, rather than think on her own and find a way to activate it, or try and contact the servant herself, she decides to confide and give her trump card to ''the man she believes to have murdered her baby brothers and actually betrayed her elder brother Robb'' who she has absolutely no reason to trust (and outright expressed hatred for in all previous episodes).

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** The main dubious decision by Sansa is that, given a private signal to call for help, and the manner by which to trigger it, rather than think on her own and find a way to activate it, or try and contact the servant herself, she decides to confide and give her trump card to ''the man she believes to have murdered her baby brothers and actually betrayed her elder brother Robb'' who she has absolutely no reason to trust (and outright expressed hatred for in all previous episodes).episodes).
* That full-blown, 1790's-style revolution that the High Sparrow is threatening? It isn't possible under Westeros's current level of military technology. Similar peasant revolts from around this approximate period of time in real life(Pilgrimage of Grace, 1520's peasant rebellion in Germany, 1490's peasant rebellion in Hungary) were all smashed and ended in the downtrodden specifically being given ''less'' rights. Olenna, of all people, should know how these things end, yet she is cowed by the High Sparrow.
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** The main dubious decision by Sansa is that, given a private signal to call for help, and the manner by which to trigger it, rather than think on her own and find a way to activate it, or try and contact the servant herself, she decides to confide and give her trump card to ''the man she believes to have murdered her baby brothers and actually betrayed her elder brother Robb''.

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** The main dubious decision by Sansa is that, given a private signal to call for help, and the manner by which to trigger it, rather than think on her own and find a way to activate it, or try and contact the servant herself, she decides to confide and give her trump card to ''the man she believes to have murdered her baby brothers and actually betrayed her elder brother Robb''.Robb'' who she has absolutely no reason to trust (and outright expressed hatred for in all previous episodes).
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** The main dubious decision by Sansa is that, given a private signal to call for help, and the manner by which to trigger it, rather than think on her own and find a way to activate it, or try and contact the servant herself. She decides to confide and give her trump card to ''the man she believes to have murdered her baby brothers and actually betrayed her elder brother Robb''.

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** The main dubious decision by Sansa is that, given a private signal to call for help, and the manner by which to trigger it, rather than think on her own and find a way to activate it, or try and contact the servant herself. She herself, she decides to confide and give her trump card to ''the man she believes to have murdered her baby brothers and actually betrayed her elder brother Robb''.
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** The main dubious decision by Sansa is that, given a private signal to call for help, and the manner by which to trigger it, rather than think on her own and find a way to activate, or try and contact the servant herself. She decides to confide and give her trump card to ''the man she believes to have murdered her baby brothers and actually betrayed her elder brother Robb''.

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** The main dubious decision by Sansa is that, given a private signal to call for help, and the manner by which to trigger it, rather than think on her own and find a way to activate, activate it, or try and contact the servant herself. She decides to confide and give her trump card to ''the man she believes to have murdered her baby brothers and actually betrayed her elder brother Robb''.

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The point is entirely separate from Jeyne\'s story in the books being worse than Sansa or Jeyne being more \"pitiful\" than Sansa (whatever the hell that means). Its simply based on the context and shifts from two episodes. How can Sansa suddenly decide to trust Theon, the man she knows to be the person who betrayed Robb and killed her brothers, to use a private signal entrusted to her? If we want to discuss further, we can go to the page.


** Many people still dislike the Sansa-Jeyne Poole AdaptationDistillation. Whether or not this episode makes things better or worse is up for debate. On the one hand, Sansa does beg Theon to help her escape, as Jeyne does in the books. On the other hand, her begging is not quite so desperate and pitiful as Jeyne's[[note]]Jeyne offers herself to Theon, even saying that she'll be his "whore", if he helps her escape, all before Ramsay even starts to hurt her.[[/note]], and indeed has some force and calculated manipulation behind it. And while she's begging in private, she still puts on a strong face out in the open and continues to try and manipulate Ramsay, and given her lack of experience it's understandable she's still stumbling there. She does look like she wants to be a more active part of her rescue than she was in King's Landing, taking the opportunity to arm herself. Still, this plot does have several elements of her previous story, with Ramsay showing the flayed corpse of her conspirator echoing Joffery showing her the severed heads of her father and septa; so the complaints that this is retreaded ground certainly have merit.

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** Many people still dislike the Sansa-Jeyne Poole AdaptationDistillation. Whether or not this episode makes things better or worse is up for debate. On the one hand, debate, mostly because Sansa does beg appealing to Theon to for help is a total turn from her escape, prior CharacterDevelopment, going from justifyingly hating Theon since she believes that he killed her baby brothers and knows that he did betray Robb, to actively begging and ''confiding'' in him for help as Jeyne does in the books. On The awkward amalgam of two totally different characters leads to her being a totally helpless victim in private (Book!Jeyne, if not to the other hand, her begging is not quite so same desperate and pitiful as Jeyne's[[note]]Jeyne offers herself to Theon, even saying that she'll be his "whore", if he helps her escape, all before Ramsay even starts to hurt her.[[/note]], and indeed has some force and calculated manipulation behind it. And straits), while she's begging in private, she still puts on a strong face out in the open and continues trying to try be cunning and manipulate Ramsay, and given her lack of experience it's understandable she's still stumbling there. She does look like Ramsay when she wants to be a more active part gets any freedom of her rescue than she was in King's Landing, taking movement (Sansa). Likewise the opportunity to arm herself. Still, this plot does have several retreads elements of her previous story, with Ramsay showing the flayed corpse of her conspirator echoing Joffery Joffrey showing her the severed heads of her father and septa; so the complaints that this is retreaded ground certainly have merit. septa.



** And by extension, Littlefinger for severely overestimating Sansa's manipulating skills, if he honestly believed she was capable of it. He is clearly a lying sociopath, after all.

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** And by extension, Littlefinger for severely overestimating Sansa's manipulating skills, if he honestly believed she was capable of it. He is clearly a lying sociopath, after all.all.
** The main dubious decision by Sansa is that, given a private signal to call for help, and the manner by which to trigger it, rather than think on her own and find a way to activate, or try and contact the servant herself. She decides to confide and give her trump card to ''the man she believes to have murdered her baby brothers and actually betrayed her elder brother Robb''.
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** Continuing from the previous episode, the gratuitous AttemptedRape of Gilly (not there in the books) is another point of contention. Likewise Sam being humiliated and beaten up again irritates viewers for {{Flanderization}} of his insecurity complexes, since Sam had already become self-confident and gotten over his insecurity at the end of Season 4 and the scene added cheap shocks for no reasons. Others see it as an arguably necessary dose of RealityEnsues, reminding us that for all Sam's confidence and his impressive accomplishments, a couple of lucky kills don't make you a skilled fighter. In addition, it serves as validation for Sam's concerns last season and Stannis' concerns earlier this season about the safety of women at the wall, given that many of the sworn brothers are, in fact, convicted rapist.

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** Continuing from the previous episode, the gratuitous AttemptedRape of Gilly (not there in the books) is another point of contention. Likewise Sam being humiliated and beaten up again irritates viewers for {{Flanderization}} of his insecurity complexes, since Sam had already become self-confident and gotten over his insecurity at the end of Season 4 and the scene added cheap shocks for no reasons. Others see it as an arguably necessary dose of RealityEnsues, reminding us that for all Sam's confidence and his impressive accomplishments, a couple of lucky kills don't make you a skilled fighter. In addition, it serves as validation for Sam's concerns last season and Stannis' concerns earlier this season about the safety of women at the wall, given that many of the sworn brothers are, in fact, convicted rapist.rapists.



* WhatAnIdiot: Really Sansa, pressing your psycho sadistic husband's BerserkButton about his upbringing was really stupid.

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* WhatAnIdiot: Really Sansa, pressing your psycho sadistic husband's BerserkButton about his upbringing was really rather stupid.
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** And by extension, Littlefinger for severely overestimated Sansa's manipulating skill, if he honestly believed she was capable of it. He is clearly a lying sociopath, after all.

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** And by extension, Littlefinger for severely overestimated overestimating Sansa's manipulating skill, skills, if he honestly believed she was capable of it. He is clearly a lying sociopath, after all.
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** Many people still dislike the Sansa-Jeyne Poole AdaptationDistillation. This episode does not make anything better with Sansa immediately regressing all her prior CharacterDevelopment and starting to beg Theon for help, despite believing that he killed her brothers and voicing hatred for him repeatedly in all their previous interactions. At this point its as if she's become an entirely different character and transformed into Book!Jeyne, including similar scenes of begging Reek for help and Reek telling her to submit, solely for the plot reasons rather than CharacterDevelopment.

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** Many people still dislike the Sansa-Jeyne Poole AdaptationDistillation. This Whether or not this episode does not make anything makes things better with or worse is up for debate. On the one hand, Sansa immediately regressing all her prior CharacterDevelopment and starting to does beg Theon for help, despite believing to help her escape, as Jeyne does in the books. On the other hand, her begging is not quite so desperate and pitiful as Jeyne's[[note]]Jeyne offers herself to Theon, even saying that she'll be his "whore", if he killed helps her brothers escape, all before Ramsay even starts to hurt her.[[/note]], and voicing hatred for him repeatedly in all their previous interactions. At this point its as if indeed has some force and calculated manipulation behind it. And while she's become an entirely different character and transformed into Book!Jeyne, including similar scenes of begging Reek for help in private, she still puts on a strong face out in the open and Reek telling continues to try and manipulate Ramsay, and given her lack of experience it's understandable she's still stumbling there. She does look like she wants to submit, solely for be a more active part of her rescue than she was in King's Landing, taking the opportunity to arm herself. Still, this plot reasons rather than CharacterDevelopment.does have several elements of her previous story, with Ramsay showing the flayed corpse of her conspirator echoing Joffery showing her the severed heads of her father and septa; so the complaints that this is retreaded ground certainly have merit.
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** And by extension, Little Finger for severely overestimated Sansa'a manipulating skill. She's just a girl who barely entered the game, and he tortured people into submission and only ever feared his father. Why would you think she could control him?

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** And by extension, Little Finger Littlefinger for severely overestimated Sansa'a Sansa's manipulating skill. She's just a girl who barely entered the game, and skill, if he tortured people into submission and only ever feared his father. Why would you think honestly believed she could control him?was capable of it. He is clearly a lying sociopath, after all.
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** Many people still dislike the Sansa-Jeyne Poole AdaptationDistillation. This episode does not make anything better with Sansa immediately regressing all her prior CharacterDevelopment and starting to beg Theon for help, despite believing that he killed her brothers and voicing hatred for him repeatedly in all their previous interactions. At this point its as if she's become an entirely different character and transformed into Book!Jeyne, including identical scenes of begging Reek for help and Reek telling her to submit, solely for the plot reasons rather than CharacterDevelopment.

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** Many people still dislike the Sansa-Jeyne Poole AdaptationDistillation. This episode does not make anything better with Sansa immediately regressing all her prior CharacterDevelopment and starting to beg Theon for help, despite believing that he killed her brothers and voicing hatred for him repeatedly in all their previous interactions. At this point its as if she's become an entirely different character and transformed into Book!Jeyne, including identical similar scenes of begging Reek for help and Reek telling her to submit, solely for the plot reasons rather than CharacterDevelopment.
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I am too much of a hypocrite to invoke Conversation On A YMMV Page, but in any case, we have no idea how later episodes will pay off with Sansa taking weapons and all that. The first opinion concerns Sansa\'s suddenly turning from hating Theon to begging to Theon for help which is an absurd turn of character given what she believes of Theon (man who betrayed Robb and killed her baby brothers).


*** The scenes aren't entirely identical. In the books, [[spoiler: Jeyne offers to become Theon's "whore" if he'll help her run away, not knowing he's been gelded, something Sansa never lowers herself to.]] Sansa's begging is also laced with ''demanding'' and attempts to inspire Theon- showing that she is still trying to play the game, just at higher stakes. Her later scene shows that she's not so broken that she can't stand up to Ramsay; at one point she even arms herself with a corkscrew, which she doesn't get relieved of.
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** Continuing from the previous episode, the gratuitous AttemptedRape of Gilly (not there in the books) is another point of contention. Likewise Sam being humiliated and beaten up again irritates viewers for {{Flanderization}} of his insecurity complexes, since Sam had already become self-confident and gotten over his insecurity at the end of Season 4 and the scene added cheap shocks for no reasons. Others see it as an arguably necessary dose of RealityEnsues, reminding us that for all Sam's confidence and his impressive accomplishments, a couple of lucky kills don't make you a skilled fighter.

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** Continuing from the previous episode, the gratuitous AttemptedRape of Gilly (not there in the books) is another point of contention. Likewise Sam being humiliated and beaten up again irritates viewers for {{Flanderization}} of his insecurity complexes, since Sam had already become self-confident and gotten over his insecurity at the end of Season 4 and the scene added cheap shocks for no reasons. Others see it as an arguably necessary dose of RealityEnsues, reminding us that for all Sam's confidence and his impressive accomplishments, a couple of lucky kills don't make you a skilled fighter. In addition, it serves as validation for Sam's concerns last season and Stannis' concerns earlier this season about the safety of women at the wall, given that many of the sworn brothers are, in fact, convicted rapist.

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** Continuing from the previous episode, the gratuitous AttemptedRape of Gilly (not there in the books) is another point of contention. Likewise Sam being humiliated and beaten up again irritates viewers for {{Flanderization}} of his insecurity complexes, since Sam had already become self-confident and gotten over his insecurity at the end of Season 4 and the scene added cheap shocks for no reasons.

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*** The scenes aren't entirely identical. In the books, [[spoiler: Jeyne offers to become Theon's "whore" if he'll help her run away, not knowing he's been gelded, something Sansa never lowers herself to.]] Sansa's begging is also laced with ''demanding'' and attempts to inspire Theon- showing that she is still trying to play the game, just at higher stakes. Her later scene shows that she's not so broken that she can't stand up to Ramsay; at one point she even arms herself with a corkscrew, which she doesn't get relieved of.
** Continuing from the previous episode, the gratuitous AttemptedRape of Gilly (not there in the books) is another point of contention. Likewise Sam being humiliated and beaten up again irritates viewers for {{Flanderization}} of his insecurity complexes, since Sam had already become self-confident and gotten over his insecurity at the end of Season 4 and the scene added cheap shocks for no reasons. Others see it as an arguably necessary dose of RealityEnsues, reminding us that for all Sam's confidence and his impressive accomplishments, a couple of lucky kills don't make you a skilled fighter.
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* WhatAnIdiot: Really Sansa, pressing your psycho sadistic husband's BerserkButton about his upbringing was really stupid.
** And by extension, Little Finger for severely overestimated Sansa'a manipulating skill. She's just a girl who barely entered the game, and he tortured people into submission and only ever feared his father. Why would you think she could control him?
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* MagnificentBastard: The High Sparrow. Anyone with the chutzpa to outsnark the Queen of Thorns and lock up the Queen of Tarts deserves respect.
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* FoeYay: Tyrene and Bronn.

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* FoeYay: Tyrene Tyene and Bronn.
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** While many fans liked the meeting of Tyrion and Dany, some felt that it was not nearly dramatic as it should have been while others, book purists feel that they should not have met at all.

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** While many fans liked the meeting of Tyrion and Dany, some felt that it was not nearly dramatic as it should have been while others, book purists feel that they should not have met at all. all.
** Tyene Sand's tease routine with Bronn is beginning to gain accusations of [[MaleGaze gratuitous, unnecessary objectification]].
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** Continuing from the previous episode, the gratuitous NearRapeExperience of Gilly(not there in the books) is another point of contention. Likewise Sam being humiliated and beaten up again irritates viewers for {{Flanderization}} of his insecurity complexes, since Sam had already become self-confident and gotten over his insecurity at the end of Season 4 and the scene added cheap shocks for no reasons.

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** Continuing from the previous episode, the gratuitous NearRapeExperience AttemptedRape of Gilly(not Gilly (not there in the books) is another point of contention. Likewise Sam being humiliated and beaten up again irritates viewers for {{Flanderization}} of his insecurity complexes, since Sam had already become self-confident and gotten over his insecurity at the end of Season 4 and the scene added cheap shocks for no reasons.

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** Continuing from the previous episode, the gratuitous NearRapeExperience of Gilly(not there in the books) is another point of contention. Likewise Sam being humiliated and beaten up again irritates viewers for {{Flanderization}} since Sam had already become self-confident and gotten over his insecurity at the end of Season 4 and the scene added cheap shocks for no reasons.

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** Continuing from the previous episode, the gratuitous NearRapeExperience of Gilly(not there in the books) is another point of contention. Likewise Sam being humiliated and beaten up again irritates viewers for {{Flanderization}} of his insecurity complexes, since Sam had already become self-confident and gotten over his insecurity at the end of Season 4 and the scene added cheap shocks for no reasons.reasons.
** While many fans liked the meeting of Tyrion and Dany, some felt that it was not nearly dramatic as it should have been while others, book purists feel that they should not have met at all.
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** Many people still dislike the Sansa-Jeyne Poole AdaptationDistillation. This episode does not make anything better with Sansa immediately regressing all her prior CharacterDevelopment and starting to beg Theon for help, despite believing that he killed her brothers and voicing hatred for him repeatedly in all their previous interactions. At this point its as if she's become an entirely different character and transformed into Book!Jeyne, including identical scenes of begging Reek for help and Reek telling her to submit, solely for the plot reasons rather than CharacterDevelopment.
** Continuing from the previous episode, the gratuitous NearRapeExperience of Gilly(not there in the books) is another point of contention. Likewise Sam being humiliated and beaten up again irritates viewers for {{Flanderization}} since Sam had already become self-confident and gotten over his insecurity at the end of Season 4 and the scene added cheap shocks for no reasons.
* MoralEventHorizon: Melisandre always had BlueAndOrangeMorality but outright asking Stannis to sacrifice Shireen is for many, hard to forgive and accept.

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