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* BadassDecay: Envy. In the anime, he was a big enough threat that he [[spoiler:killed Edward]]. Here, he's not only a [[spoiler:dragon]], but one in a world without Alchemy, and yet, he, very easily, gets captured by the Nazi occultists and spends the rest of the movie as a LivingMacGuffin.

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* BadassDecay: Envy. In the anime, he was a big enough threat that he [[spoiler:killed Edward]]. Here, he's not only a [[spoiler:dragon]], but one in a world without Alchemy, and yet, he, very easily, he gets captured by the Nazi occultists and spends the rest of the movie as a LivingMacGuffin.
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* BadassDecay: Envy. In the anime, he was a big enough threat that he [[spoiler: killed Edward]]. Here, he's not only a [[spoiler: dragon]], but one in a world without Alchemy, and yet, he, very easily, gets captured by the Nazi occultists and spends the rest of the movie as a LivingMacGuffin.

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* BadassDecay: Envy. In the anime, he was a big enough threat that he [[spoiler: killed [[spoiler:killed Edward]]. Here, he's not only a [[spoiler: dragon]], [[spoiler:dragon]], but one in a world without Alchemy, and yet, he, very easily, gets captured by the Nazi occultists and spends the rest of the movie as a LivingMacGuffin.



** Noah, Rose's real world double, comes under a lot of fire. She betrays Ed only because she thinks she won't be discriminated in Amestris and then she turns on them soon afterwards when Eckhart shoots Ed. It turns out it's a good thing the writers didn't create the Ed-Noah-Alfons love triangle originally planned for the film: a portion of the fanbase didn't like her for taking over Winry's spot, and they would much rather ship [[HoYay Edward with Alfons]] instead, or with Winry.
** Eckhart is generally regarded as an underwhelming villain [[ReplacementScrappy compared to Dante and the Homunculi.]] It’s not uncommon for fans to say that Envy should’ve been the main villain, not her.

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** Noah, Rose's real world double, comes under a lot of fire. She betrays Ed only because she thinks she won't be discriminated in Amestris Amestris, and then she turns on them the Thule Society soon afterwards when Eckhart shoots Ed. It turns out it's a good thing the writers didn't create the Ed-Noah-Alfons love triangle originally planned for the film: a portion of the fanbase didn't like her for taking over Winry's spot, and they would much rather ship [[HoYay Edward with Alfons]] instead, or with Winry.
** Eckhart is generally regarded as an underwhelming villain [[ReplacementScrappy compared to Dante and the Homunculi.]] It’s It's not uncommon for fans to say that Envy should’ve been the main villain, not her. her.

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* CompleteMonster: [[KnightTemplar Chairman Dietlinde Eckhart]] is the head of the [[{{Ghostapo}} Nazi's Thule Society]]. Seeking to use the power of the mystic "Shamballa" to [[TakeOverTheWorld conquer the world]] with alchemy, Eckhart captures the Homunculus Envy to open the gate to the other world, keeping the monster docile by allowing him to bite into his father Hohenheim. When Hohenheim sacrifices himself to open the gate, Eckhart shoots [[Characters/FullmetalAlchemist2003MainCharacters Ed]], no longer needing him for her plans, and leads an all-out assault on his world. Hypocritically fearing the use of the alchemy she seeks in the hands of others, [[NotSoWellIntentionedExtremist Eckhart]] tries to wipe out Shamballa, unwilling to share the power.

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* CompleteMonster: [[KnightTemplar Chairman Dietlinde Eckhart]] is the head of the [[{{Ghostapo}} Nazi's Thule Society]]. Seeking to use the power of the mystic "Shamballa" to [[TakeOverTheWorld conquer the world]] with alchemy, Eckhart captures the Homunculus Envy to open the gate to the other world, keeping the monster docile by allowing him to bite into his father Hohenheim. When Hohenheim sacrifices himself to open the gate, Eckhart shoots [[Characters/FullmetalAlchemist2003MainCharacters Ed]], no longer needing him for her plans, and leads an all-out assault on his world. Hypocritically fearing the use of the alchemy she seeks in the hands of others, Eckhart [[NotSoWellIntentionedExtremist Eckhart]] tries to wipe out Shamballa, unwilling to share the power.power]].

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* CompleteMonster: [[KnightTemplar Thule Society Chairman Dietlinde Eckhart]] is an [[{{Ghostapo}} occult supporter of the Nazi party]] trying to reach the titular Shamballa to gain the power to conquer the world. Capturing Envy to open the gate to the other world, Eckhart keeps the homunculus docile by allowing him to bite into Hoenheim, leaving the man in agony. When Hoenheim sacrifices himself to open the gate, Eckhart, no longer needing [[Characters/FullmetalAlchemist2003MainCharacters Ed]]'s alchemy, shoots him and leads an assault into his world. [[spoiler:Enthralled with her newfound ability to use alchemy but fearing others with the same power, Eckhart tries to [[OmnicidalManiac destroy the very world]] she once sought to conquer, a [[AbsoluteXenophobe xenophobic]] hypocrite who would not tolerate anyone but herself having authority.]]

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* CompleteMonster: [[KnightTemplar Thule Society Chairman Dietlinde Eckhart]] is an the head of the [[{{Ghostapo}} occult supporter of the Nazi party]] trying Nazi's Thule Society]]. Seeking to reach the titular Shamballa to gain use the power of the mystic "Shamballa" to [[TakeOverTheWorld conquer the world. Capturing world]] with alchemy, Eckhart captures the Homunculus Envy to open the gate to the other world, Eckhart keeps keeping the homunculus monster docile by allowing him to bite into Hoenheim, leaving the man in agony. his father Hohenheim. When Hoenheim Hohenheim sacrifices himself to open the gate, Eckhart, no longer needing Eckhart shoots [[Characters/FullmetalAlchemist2003MainCharacters Ed]]'s alchemy, shoots Ed]], no longer needing him for her plans, and leads an all-out assault into on his world. [[spoiler:Enthralled with her newfound ability to Hypocritically fearing the use of the alchemy but fearing others with she seeks in the same power, Eckhart hands of others, [[NotSoWellIntentionedExtremist Eckhart]] tries to [[OmnicidalManiac destroy wipe out Shamballa, unwilling to share the very world]] she once sought to conquer, a [[AbsoluteXenophobe xenophobic]] hypocrite who would not tolerate anyone but herself having authority.]]power.

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* CompleteMonster: [[KnightTemplar Thule Society Chairman Dietlinde Eckhart]] is the BigBad and an [[{{Ghostapo}} occult supporter of the Nazi party]] trying to reach the titular Shamballa to gain the power to conquer the world. Capturing Envy to open the gate to the other world, Eckhart keeps the homunculus docile by allowing him to bite into Hoenheim, leaving the man in agony. When Hoenheim sacrifices himself to open the gate, Eckhart, no longer needing Ed's alchemy, shoots him and leads an assault into his world. [[spoiler:Enthralled with her newfound ability to use alchemy but fearing others with the same power, Eckhart tries to [[FinalSolution destroy the very world]] she once sought to conquer, a [[AbsoluteXenophobe xenophobic]] hypocrite who would not tolerate anyone but herself having authority.]]

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* CompleteMonster: [[KnightTemplar Thule Society Chairman Dietlinde Eckhart]] is the BigBad and an [[{{Ghostapo}} occult supporter of the Nazi party]] trying to reach the titular Shamballa to gain the power to conquer the world. Capturing Envy to open the gate to the other world, Eckhart keeps the homunculus docile by allowing him to bite into Hoenheim, leaving the man in agony. When Hoenheim sacrifices himself to open the gate, Eckhart, no longer needing Ed's [[Characters/FullmetalAlchemist2003MainCharacters Ed]]'s alchemy, shoots him and leads an assault into his world. [[spoiler:Enthralled with her newfound ability to use alchemy but fearing others with the same power, Eckhart tries to [[FinalSolution [[OmnicidalManiac destroy the very world]] she once sought to conquer, a [[AbsoluteXenophobe xenophobic]] hypocrite who would not tolerate anyone but herself having authority.]]
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* {{Narm}}: The English dub brings back the entire cast back, which for the most part [[SugarWiki/SuperlativeDubbing is great.]] The one caveat is Creator/AaronDismuke, who was very clearly going through puberty during the recording, so a lot of Al's lines come out awkward. However, considering the movie takes place 2 years after the events of the show, Al's voice going through the same puberty in-universe is completely justified.
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* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: Wrath in the series is a divisive character, with many finding him annoying. However, he's widely considered one this film's highlights, due to his HeelFaceTurn bringing him some maturity, the fitting end to his arc, and Luci Christian's stellar dub performance.

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* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: Wrath in the series is a divisive character, with many finding him annoying. However, he's widely considered one of this film's highlights, due to his HeelFaceTurn bringing him some maturity, the fitting end to his arc, and Luci Christian's stellar dub performance.
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** Eckhart is generally regard as an underwhelming villain [[ReplacementScrappy compared to Dante and the Homunculi.]] It’s not uncommon for fans to say that Envy should’ve been the main villain, not her.

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** Eckhart is generally regard regarded as an underwhelming villain [[ReplacementScrappy compared to Dante and the Homunculi.]] It’s not uncommon for fans to say that Envy should’ve been the main villain, not her.

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* TheScrappy: Noah, Rose's real world double, comes under a lot of fire. She betrays Ed only because she thinks she won't be discriminated in Amestris and then she turns on them soon afterwards when Eckhart shoots Ed. It turns out it's a good thing the writers didn't create the Ed-Noah-Alfons love triangle originally planned for the film: a portion of the fanbase didn't like her for taking over Winry's spot, and they would much rather ship [[HoYay Edward with Alfons]] instead, or with Winry.

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Noah, Rose's real world double, comes under a lot of fire. She betrays Ed only because she thinks she won't be discriminated in Amestris and then she turns on them soon afterwards when Eckhart shoots Ed. It turns out it's a good thing the writers didn't create the Ed-Noah-Alfons love triangle originally planned for the film: a portion of the fanbase didn't like her for taking over Winry's spot, and they would much rather ship [[HoYay Edward with Alfons]] instead, or with Winry.Winry.
** Eckhart is generally regard as an underwhelming villain [[ReplacementScrappy compared to Dante and the Homunculi.]] It’s not uncommon for fans to say that Envy should’ve been the main villain, not her.
* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: Thanks to important scenes with them being cut, Mustang, Winry, and Izumi all feel underused and their character arcs come across as barebones versions of what was originally envisioned.
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** Michiru ÅŒshima also returns on the film's score and provides a magnificent capstone to her work on the 2003 series.

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** Michiru ÅŒshima also returns on the film's score musical duties and provides a magnificent capstone to her work on the 2003 series.

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** Michiru ÅŒshima also returns on the film's score and provides a maginifcent capstone to her musical work on FMA.
** Taro Iwashiro's score is another worthy orchestral addition to the franchise's discography. It easily stands equal alongside Michiru ÅŒshima and Akira Senju's scores from the 2003 series and ''Brotherhood''.

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** Michiru ÅŒshima also returns on the film's score and provides a maginifcent magnificent capstone to her musical work on FMA.
** Taro Iwashiro's score is another worthy orchestral addition to the franchise's discography. It easily stands equal alongside Michiru ÅŒshima and Akira Senju's scores from
the 2003 series and ''Brotherhood''.series.
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** After having contributed the series' second opening song, Music/LArcEnCiel returns to FMA to provide the bookend songs "Link" and "Lost Heaven".
** Michiru ÅŒshima also returns on the film's score and provides a maginifcent capstone to her musical work on FMA.
** Taro Iwashiro's score is another worthy orchestral addition to the franchise's discography. It easily stands equal alongside Michiru ÅŒshima and Akira Senju's scores from the 2003 series and ''Brotherhood''.
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* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: Wrath in the series is a divisive character, with many finding him annoying. However, he's widely considered one this film's highlights, due to his HeelFaceTurn bringing him some maturity, the fitting end to his arc, and Lucie Christian's stellar dub performance.

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* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: Wrath in the series is a divisive character, with many finding him annoying. However, he's widely considered one this film's highlights, due to his HeelFaceTurn bringing him some maturity, the fitting end to his arc, and Lucie Luci Christian's stellar dub performance.
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* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: Wrath in the series is a divisive character, with many finding him annoying. However, he's widely considered one this film's highlights, due to his HeelFaceTurn bringing him some maturity, the fitting end to his arc, and Lucie Christian's stellar dub performance.
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* GeniusBonus: The fact that Creator/FritzLang in the movie is looking for a dragon for inspiration for his next movie is a possible reference to ''Film/DieNibelungen'', in which a dragon marks a important plot point (the film's hero, Siegfried, slays one and bathes in its blood to become invincible). Not to mention that ''Shamballa'' is set in 1923, and ''Die Nibelungen'' was made in 1924.
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* {{Narm}}: The English dub brings back the entire cast back, which for the most part [[SugarWiki/SuperlativeDubbing is great.]] The one caveat is Creator/AaronDismuke was very clearly going through puberty during the recording, so a lot of Al's lines come out awkward. However, considering the movie takes place 2 years after the events of the show, Al's voice going through the same puberty in-universe is completely justified.

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* {{Narm}}: The English dub brings back the entire cast back, which for the most part [[SugarWiki/SuperlativeDubbing is great.]] The one caveat is Creator/AaronDismuke Creator/AaronDismuke, who was very clearly going through puberty during the recording, so a lot of Al's lines come out awkward. However, considering the movie takes place 2 years after the events of the show, Al's voice going through the same puberty in-universe is completely justified.
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* {{Narm}}: The English dub brings back the entire cast back, which for the most part [[SugarWiki/SuperlativeDubbing is great.]] The one caveat is Creator/AaronDismuke was very clearly going through puberty during the recording, so a lot of Al's lines come out awkward. Considering the movie takes place 2 years after the events of the show, Al's voice going through the same puberty in-universe is completely justified.

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* {{Narm}}: The English dub brings back the entire cast back, which for the most part [[SugarWiki/SuperlativeDubbing is great.]] The one caveat is Creator/AaronDismuke was very clearly going through puberty during the recording, so a lot of Al's lines come out awkward. Considering However, considering the movie takes place 2 years after the events of the show, Al's voice going through the same puberty in-universe is completely justified.
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* {{Narm}}: The English dub brings back the entire cast back, which for the most part [[SugarWiki/SuperlativeDubbing is great.]] The one caveat is Creator/AaronDismuke was very clearly going through puberty during the recording, so a lot of Al's lines come out awkward. Considering the movie takes place 2 years later as well, it's at least nothing impossible.

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* {{Narm}}: The English dub brings back the entire cast back, which for the most part [[SugarWiki/SuperlativeDubbing is great.]] The one caveat is Creator/AaronDismuke was very clearly going through puberty during the recording, so a lot of Al's lines come out awkward. Considering the movie takes place 2 years later as well, it's at least nothing impossible.after the events of the show, Al's voice going through the same puberty in-universe is completely justified.
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* {{Narm}}: The English dub brings back the entire cast back, which for the most part [[SugarWiki/SuperlativeDubbing is great.]] The one caveat is Creator/AaronDismuke was very clearly going through puberty during the recording, so a lot of Al's lines come out awkward.

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* {{Narm}}: The English dub brings back the entire cast back, which for the most part [[SugarWiki/SuperlativeDubbing is great.]] The one caveat is Creator/AaronDismuke was very clearly going through puberty during the recording, so a lot of Al's lines come out awkward. Considering the movie takes place 2 years later as well, it's at least nothing impossible.
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Gotta add the important bit.


* BadassDecay: Envy. In the anime, he was a big enough threat that he [[spoiler: killed Edward]]. Here, he's not only a [[spoiler: dragon]], but one in a world without Alchemy, and yet, he, very easily, gets captured by the Nazis and spends the rest of the movie as a LivingMacGuffin.

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* BadassDecay: Envy. In the anime, he was a big enough threat that he [[spoiler: killed Edward]]. Here, he's not only a [[spoiler: dragon]], but one in a world without Alchemy, and yet, he, very easily, gets captured by the Nazis Nazi occultists and spends the rest of the movie as a LivingMacGuffin.
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* BadassDecay: Envy. In the anime, he was a big enough threat that he [[spoiler: killed Edward]]. Here, he's not only a [[spoiler: dragon]], but one in a world without Alchemy, and he, very easily, gets captured by the Nazis and spends the rest of the movie as a LivingMacGuffin.

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* BadassDecay: Envy. In the anime, he was a big enough threat that he [[spoiler: killed Edward]]. Here, he's not only a [[spoiler: dragon]], but one in a world without Alchemy, and yet, he, very easily, gets captured by the Nazis and spends the rest of the movie as a LivingMacGuffin.
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* BadassDecay: Envy. In the anime, he was a big enough threat that he [[spoiler: killed Edward]]. Here, he's not only a [[spoiler: dragon]], but one in a world without Alchemy, and he, very easily, gets captured by the Nazis and spends the rest of the movie as a LivingMacGuffin.
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* ContestedSequel: Some fans ''The Conqueror of Shamballa'' as a touching send off to the characters that ties together most of the loose ends left over from the series. Others see it as a kick in the junk that resolves nothing and simply screws everyone over worse than they were screwed in the series. The real-world connection is a big part of it: Some of them like it that it puts the stories' messages, which are based on real historical and contemporary events, back into that context in an unmistakable way. Others think it cheapens the complexity and subtlety of the TV series.

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* ContestedSequel: Some fans view ''The Conqueror of Shamballa'' as a touching send off to the characters that ties together most of the loose ends left over from the series. series, and enjoy it for its share of cool moments. Others see it as a kick in the junk that resolves nothing and simply screws everyone over worse than they were screwed in the series. series, and also deride the film for its plot feeling rushed and the general feeling of [[NoEnding inconclusiveness]] (particularly regarding series regulars Roy Mustang and Winry). The real real-world connection is also a big part of it: the contention: Some of them fans like it that it puts the stories' messages, which are based on real historical and contemporary events, back into that context in an unmistakable way. Others think it cheapens the complexity and subtlety of the TV series.
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Also per this query. Let me know if anyone disagrees with any of these removals, however.


* AssPull: The ability to transmute homunculi to open the Gate, killing them in the process. [[spoiler: Eckhart gaining alchemic powers in the climax thanks to merging with Gate Children with no apparent drawbacks]] ... when the armored scouts Thule first sent through the portal ended up dying crushed. On another note, Mustang having been unable to became Fuhrer, despite the fact that nothing indicated otherwise at the end of the original series.
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* CompleteMonster: [[KnightTemplar Thule Society Chairman Dietlinde Eckhart]] is the BigBad and an [[{{Ghostapo}} occult supporter of the Nazi party]] trying to reach the titular Shamballa to gain the power to conquer the world. Capturing Envy to open the gate to the other world, Eckhart keeps the homunculus docile by allowing him to bite into Hoenheim, leaving the man in agony. When Hoenheim sacrifices himself to open the gate, Eckhart, no longer needing Ed's alchemy, shoots him and leads an assault into his world.[[spoiler:Enthralled with her newfound ability to use alchemy but fearing others with the same power, Eckhart tries to [[FinalSolution destroy the very world]] she once sought to conquer, a [[AbsoluteXenophobe xenophobic]] hypocrite who would not tolerate anyone but herself having authority.]]

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* CompleteMonster: [[KnightTemplar Thule Society Chairman Dietlinde Eckhart]] is the BigBad and an [[{{Ghostapo}} occult supporter of the Nazi party]] trying to reach the titular Shamballa to gain the power to conquer the world. Capturing Envy to open the gate to the other world, Eckhart keeps the homunculus docile by allowing him to bite into Hoenheim, leaving the man in agony. When Hoenheim sacrifices himself to open the gate, Eckhart, no longer needing Ed's alchemy, shoots him and leads an assault into his world. [[spoiler:Enthralled with her newfound ability to use alchemy but fearing others with the same power, Eckhart tries to [[FinalSolution destroy the very world]] she once sought to conquer, a [[AbsoluteXenophobe xenophobic]] hypocrite who would not tolerate anyone but herself having authority.]]
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Per this query. Removing a couple entries that came off too much as needless bashing.
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* EndingAversion:[[spoiler: A ton of fans would be willing to forgive some of the movie's flaws, contrivances and AssPulls if at least Ed and Al had stayed in Amestris at the end (instead of leaving their homeworld forever), as the ending ends ups feeling like a ShootTheDogStory.]]



** The fact that the plot is best summarized as : "the uranium bomb wasn't invented in the real world, it came from Amestris- and after finding it the Nazis decide to invade Amestris for its power" ends up coming across as too ridiculously contrived to be taken seriously.
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* TheScrappy: Noah, Rose's real world double is practically universally disregarded (or hated). Between the fact that she betrays Ed only because she thinks she won't be discriminated in Amestris ([[FridgeLogic Nevermind that the Nazis are racists]]) and then she turns on them soon afterwards when Eckhart shoots Ed. It turns out it's a pretty good thing the writers didn't create the Ed-Noah-Alfons love triangle originally planned for the film: a portion of the fanbase didn't like her for taking over Winry's spot, and they would much rather ship [[HoYay Edward with Alfons]] instead, or with Winry. You'd be hard pressed to find someone that truly likes her.

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* TheScrappy: Noah, Rose's real world double is practically universally disregarded (or hated). Between the fact that she double, comes under a lot of fire. She betrays Ed only because she thinks she won't be discriminated in Amestris ([[FridgeLogic Nevermind that the Nazis are racists]]) and then she turns on them soon afterwards when Eckhart shoots Ed. It turns out it's a pretty good thing the writers didn't create the Ed-Noah-Alfons love triangle originally planned for the film: a portion of the fanbase didn't like her for taking over Winry's spot, and they would much rather ship [[HoYay Edward with Alfons]] instead, or with Winry. You'd be hard pressed to find someone that truly likes her.Winry.

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