History YMMV / FistOfTheNorthStar

12th Jun '16 5:45:34 AM erforce
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* CatharsisFactor: While most of Kenshiro's enemies don't stand against him, it is always satisfying to see him tear through the worst of humanity .

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* CatharsisFactor: While most of Kenshiro's enemies don't stand a chance against him, it is always satisfying to see him tear through the worst of humanity .humanity.
12th Jun '16 5:42:26 AM erforce
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* CatharsisFactor: While most of Kenshiro's enemies don't stand against him, it is always satisfying to see him tear through the worst of humanity .



** Despite only appearing in one episode, Mr. Heart has had a place alongside major villains and heroes. He's appeared in the Arc System fighting game, the Xbox360 beat-em-up game, and the 1996 film thanks to his off-the-wall style, even by the show's standards: he's a morbidly obese martial artist whose mighty gut keeps Kenshiro from hitting his pressure points, and the sight of his own blood makes him flip from from "effeminate man-glacier" to "rampaging murder machine." Due to his name, Mr. Heart has been quite popular for troll pics involving him replacing someone with a cutesy feel ({{Magical Girl}}s, cute girls, or someone with a [[NamesTheSame Heart]] in their name (like VideoGame/{{Arcana Heart}}ino)) to make a high-caliber LOL {{Squick}}.

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** Despite only appearing in one episode, Mr. Heart has had a place alongside major villains and heroes. He's appeared in the Arc System fighting game, the Xbox360 UsefulNotes/Xbox360 beat-em-up game, and the 1996 film [[Film/FistOfTheNorthStar 1995 film]] thanks to his off-the-wall style, even by the show's standards: he's a morbidly obese martial artist whose mighty gut keeps Kenshiro from hitting his pressure points, and the sight of his own blood makes him flip from from "effeminate man-glacier" to "rampaging murder machine." Due to his name, Mr. Heart has been quite popular for troll pics involving him replacing someone with a cutesy feel ({{Magical Girl}}s, cute girls, or someone with a [[NamesTheSame Heart]] in their name (like VideoGame/{{Arcana Heart}}ino)) to make a high-caliber LOL {{Squick}}.
9th Jun '16 8:34:53 PM Angeldeb82
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* SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic: Got its own [[AwesomeMusic/FistOfTheNorthStar page]]. [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-POzIrRh0c ''YOU WA SHOCK!!'']]
* AwesomeEgo: [[SmugSuper Raoh]], [[SmugSnake Souther]], [[InsufferableGenius Amiba]] and [[ManipulativeBastard Jagi]] all have this in spades. Despite the fact that each of them is a brutal sadist with a rather large InferioritySuperiorityComplex on the side, they all display enough {{Badass}}ery to make them some of the most popular characters in the series, with Raoh arguably being ''the'' most popular character in the series.

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* SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic: Got its own [[AwesomeMusic/FistOfTheNorthStar page]]. [[http://www.''[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-POzIrRh0c ''YOU YOU WA SHOCK!!'']]
SHOCK!!]]''
* AwesomeEgo: [[SmugSuper Raoh]], [[SmugSnake Souther]], {{S|mugSnake}}outher, [[InsufferableGenius Amiba]] and [[ManipulativeBastard Jagi]] all have this in spades. Despite the fact that each of them is a brutal sadist with a rather large InferioritySuperiorityComplex on the side, they all display enough {{Badass}}ery to make them some of the most popular characters in the series, with Raoh arguably being ''the'' most popular character in the series.



** Jagi, a huge JerkAss and DirtyCoward who ruined the lives of Kenshiro, Yuria, Shin, Airi, and Rei, but [[AllGirlsWantBadBoys that isn't stopping anyone liking the only bad Hokuto brother]] and making a spin-off manga which sympathizes with him.
** Though a somewhat [[DownplayedTrope Downplayed]] example, Ryuga still tends to be viewed as a neutral figure at worst, despite him fatally wounding Toki and killing many of the man's patients in order to get Ken to fight him.

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** Jagi, a huge JerkAss {{Jerkass}} and DirtyCoward who ruined the lives of Kenshiro, Yuria, Shin, Airi, and Rei, but [[AllGirlsWantBadBoys that isn't stopping anyone liking the only bad Hokuto brother]] and making a spin-off manga which sympathizes with him.
** Though a somewhat [[DownplayedTrope Downplayed]] {{Downplayed|Trope}} example, Ryuga still tends to be viewed as a neutral figure at worst, despite him fatally wounding Toki and killing many of the man's patients in order to get Ken to fight him.



* EscapistCharacter: Kenshiro, seriously; who wouldn't wish they were a major {{Badass}} hero that gets to mow down villains by the hundreds while still being considered a borderline [[MessianicArchetype messiah]].

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* EscapistCharacter: Kenshiro, seriously; who wouldn't wish they were a major {{Badass}} hero that gets to mow down villains by the hundreds while still being considered a borderline [[MessianicArchetype messiah]].{{messia|nicArchetype}}h.



* TheScrappy: [[TheCutie Lin]] is probably the least-liked character in the series, likely due to her status as a {{Kawaiiko}} MoeBlob standing out like a sore thumb in a series about [[RatedMForManly manly men beating the ever-loving daylights out of each-other]]. [[BrattyHalfPint Bat]] is also quite hated, though he's more of a BaseBreaker than a true Scrappy.
** Of the major martial artists, [[VillainousCrossdresser Juda]] probably gets the least amount of love. Reasons for this include: [[BlackSheep being weaker than everyone else except perhaps Jagi]], being a [[AgentPeacock vain]] [[VillainousCrossdresser cross-dressing]] [[EffeminateMisogynisticGuy serial]] [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil rapist]], having a pathetic FreudianExcuse (he was jealous of [[TheLancer Rei's]] martial art being more beautiful than is own), and him lacking [[BigBad Raoh]] and [[AntiVillain Ryuga's]] NobleDemon qualities, [[RivalTurnedEvil Shin]] and [[TroubledAbuser Souther's]] TragicVillain appeal, or [[DirtyCoward Jagi]] and [[MadDoctor Amiba's]] AwesomeEgo trappings. The fact that [[BlowYouAway his]] [[RazorWind martial art]] is one of the series' less realistic ones does not help his cause either.

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* TheScrappy: [[TheCutie Lin]] is probably the least-liked character in the series, likely due to her status as a {{Kawaiiko}} MoeBlob standing out like a sore thumb in a series about [[RatedMForManly manly men beating the ever-loving daylights out of each-other]]. [[BrattyHalfPint Bat]] {{B|rattyHalfPint}}at is also quite hated, though he's more of a BaseBreaker than a true Scrappy.
** Of the major martial artists, [[VillainousCrossdresser [[CreepyCrossdresser Juda]] probably gets the least amount of love. Reasons for this include: [[BlackSheep being weaker than everyone else except perhaps Jagi]], being a [[AgentPeacock vain]] [[VillainousCrossdresser [[CreepyCrossdresser cross-dressing]] [[EffeminateMisogynisticGuy serial]] [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil rapist]], having a pathetic FreudianExcuse (he was jealous of [[TheLancer Rei's]] martial art being more beautiful than is own), and him lacking [[BigBad Raoh]] and [[AntiVillain Ryuga's]] NobleDemon qualities, [[RivalTurnedEvil Shin]] and [[TroubledAbuser Souther's]] TragicVillain appeal, or [[DirtyCoward Jagi]] and [[MadDoctor Amiba's]] AwesomeEgo trappings. The fact that [[BlowYouAway his]] [[RazorWind martial art]] is one of the series' less realistic ones does not help his cause either.



* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: This is ''the'' TropeMaker for ''Magazine/ShonenJump'' series as we know them today (''Manga/DragonBall'' and ''Manga/SaintSeiya'' being the [[TropeCodifier Trope Codifiers]]), and it was groundbreaking in its time... but [[TheEighties that was almost thirty years ago]], which leads to several of the tropes used seeming stale to modern audiences.

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* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: This is ''the'' TropeMaker {{Trope Maker|s}} for ''Magazine/ShonenJump'' series as we know them today (''Manga/DragonBall'' and ''Manga/SaintSeiya'' being the [[TropeCodifier Trope Codifiers]]), {{Trope Codifier}}s), and it was groundbreaking in its time... but [[TheEighties that was almost thirty years ago]], which leads to several of the tropes used seeming stale to modern audiences.



* SoCoolItsAwesome: In spite of the aforementioned SeinfeldIsUnfunny, this is ''still'' a pretty fun Anime to watch/Manga to read 30 years after its release, and it's understandable why it influenced so many other Japanese works.

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* SoCoolItsAwesome: SugarWiki/SoCoolItsAwesome: In spite of the aforementioned SeinfeldIsUnfunny, this is ''still'' a pretty fun Anime to watch/Manga to read 30 years after its release, and it's understandable why it influenced so many other Japanese works.



* [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter They Wasted A Perfectly Good Character Battle]]: "What's this? Mr. Heart is ''immune'' to Kenshiro's blows? This fight could be cool... Oh wait, he killed him by kicking him a whole lot in the stomach."

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* [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter They Wasted A a Perfectly Good Character Battle]]: "What's this? Mr. Heart is ''immune'' to Kenshiro's blows? This fight could be cool... Oh wait, he killed him by kicking him a whole lot in the stomach."



** Another source of dissonance for Western audiences can arise from Ken's [[EasilyForgiven forgiving of villians]] because of their {{Freudian Excuse}}s, even if they're mass murderers (Souther, Ryuga), serial rapists (Yuda), or SocialDarwinist tyrants (Raoh, Shin, Kaioh) who have ''killed'' many of Ken's TrueCompanions (Raoh with Rei and Fudo, Souther with Shu, Ryuga with Toki, Kaioh with Schachi). In Japan, criminals who show remorse for their crimes are often treated less harshly, so Ken's forgiveness can seem less misguided if seen from that perspective. Although, it should be noted that said forgiveness comes after they've been inflicted with fatal wounds and/or doesn't stop Kenshiro from [[DeadlyEuphemism neutralizing]] their threat.

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** Another source of dissonance for Western audiences can arise from Ken's [[EasilyForgiven forgiving of villians]] villains]] because of their {{Freudian Excuse}}s, even if they're mass murderers (Souther, Ryuga), serial rapists (Yuda), or SocialDarwinist [[TheSocialDarwinist Social Darwinist]] tyrants (Raoh, Shin, Kaioh) who have ''killed'' many of Ken's TrueCompanions (Raoh with Rei and Fudo, Souther with Shu, Ryuga with Toki, Kaioh with Schachi). In Japan, criminals who show remorse for their crimes are often treated less harshly, so Ken's forgiveness can seem less misguided if seen from that perspective. Although, it should be noted that said forgiveness comes after they've been inflicted with fatal wounds and/or doesn't stop Kenshiro from [[DeadlyEuphemism neutralizing]] their threat.



* VillainDecay: Happens to Raoh post-BreakingSpeech and CurbStompBattle. The sting is slightly put off by his last-minute conversion to AntiVillain. That was intentional on the part of Fudou, who was giving that Speech.
* WhatDoYouMeanItsForKids: This was made for young boys in Japan. In fact, it's the TropeMaker for most of the tropes used by ''Anime/{{Naruto}}'', ''Manga/{{Bleach}}'', ''Manga/DragonBall'' (the TropeCodifier for most of them), and ''Manga/YuYuHakusho''. Not to mention it's a type of series where characters go around exploding heads, slicing them to pieces with their fingers, tear people apart with black magic, so on and so forth. Oh, and an AntiVillain with a hugeass horse that literally curb-stomps random mooks, even the BigBad's corrupted henchmen.

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* VillainDecay: Happens to Raoh post-BreakingSpeech post-"BreakThemByTalking" and CurbStompBattle. The sting is slightly put off by his last-minute conversion to AntiVillain. That was intentional on the part of Fudou, who was giving that Speech.
* WhatDoYouMeanItsForKids: This was made for young boys in Japan. In fact, it's the TropeMaker {{Trope Maker|s}} for most of the tropes used by ''Anime/{{Naruto}}'', ''Manga/{{Bleach}}'', ''Manga/DragonBall'' (the TropeCodifier for most of them), and ''Manga/YuYuHakusho''. Not to mention it's a type of series where characters go around exploding heads, slicing them to pieces with their fingers, tear people apart with black magic, so on and so forth. Oh, and an AntiVillain with a hugeass horse that literally curb-stomps random mooks, even the BigBad's corrupted henchmen.



* BigLippedAlligatorMoment: Shin cutting his finger, and it dripping blood that catches fire when it lands on a bit of paper. So Shin has the [[VideoGame/ResidentEvilCodeVeronica Veronica virus now?]]

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* BigLippedAlligatorMoment: Shin cutting his finger, and it dripping blood that catches fire when it lands on a bit of paper. So Shin has the [[VideoGame/ResidentEvilCodeVeronica Veronica virus now?]]now]]?
1st Jun '16 3:42:58 PM Langdo
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* ValuesDissonance: Rei's StayInTheKitchen[=/=]DefeatByModesty moment with Mamiya comes across as highly misogynistic to most modern viewers/readers, especially Americans.

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* ValuesDissonance: Rei's StayInTheKitchen[=/=]DefeatByModesty moment with Mamiya comes across as highly misogynistic sexist to most modern viewers/readers, especially Americans.
6th May '16 5:50:58 AM WillBGood
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* RonTheDeathEater: Seiji, from ''Anime/NewFistOfTheNorthStar'' gets no shortage of this. Many seem to consider him a Complete Monster, ignoring his sympathetic traits. To put it simply, Seiji's crimes are A.killing people, which every villain has done, B.Using a technique to force his evil, remorseless subordinate into a state of insanity, and one that will eventually kill him while promising to cure him when they've won, and C.Pinning Sera to his bed, ripping some of her clothes off, and trying to seduce her into giving into him, but [[EvenEvilHasStandards leaving her alone when she makes clear she wants no part of it.]] His backstory is thus: His father throws him out into the wasteland,(so he'd grow strong enough to kill him in battle and take over the empire, but that wasn't known until the end.) [[WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds He grows more bitter every day in the hellish land he was exiled to, becoming truly coldhearted after a wild dog attacked him to protect it's pup, believing that wild animals care more for their young than his own father did. Eventually he finds a school where he trains in an offshoot of Kenshiro's art, gradually becoming the remorseless killer he is in present day.]] In the end, after his long-lost Aunt explained his father's motives, and seeing Sera protect him from Kenshiro despite her friend dying because of him, his treatment of her, is [[ManlyTears brought to tears]], finally remembering his long forgotten humanity, and feels such remorse over everything he did that he takes his own life.

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* RonTheDeathEater: Seiji, from ''Anime/NewFistOfTheNorthStar'' gets no shortage of this. Many seem to consider him a Complete Monster, ignoring his sympathetic traits. To put it simply, Seiji's crimes are A.killing people, which every villain has done, B.Using a technique to force his evil, remorseless subordinate into a state of insanity, and one that will eventually kill him while promising to cure him when they've won, and C.Pinning Sera to his bed, ripping some of her clothes off, and trying to seduce her into giving into him, but [[EvenEvilHasStandards leaving her alone when she makes clear she wants no part of it.]] His backstory is thus: His father throws him out into the wasteland,(so he'd grow strong enough to kill him in battle and take over the empire, but that wasn't known until the end.) [[WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds He grows more bitter every day in the hellish land he was exiled to, becoming truly coldhearted after a wild dog attacked him to protect it's its pup, believing that wild animals care more for their young than his own father did. Eventually he finds a school where he trains in an offshoot of Kenshiro's art, gradually becoming the remorseless killer he is in present day.]] In the end, after his long-lost Aunt explained his father's motives, and seeing Sera protect him from Kenshiro despite her friend dying because of him, his treatment of her, is [[ManlyTears brought to tears]], finally remembering his long forgotten humanity, and feels such remorse over everything he did that he takes his own life.
18th Feb '16 5:49:49 PM creader
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* GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff: The series is very popular among many Italian people who grew up during the 80's and early 90's.



* [[GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff Italians Love Fist Of The North Star]]: The series is very popular among many italian people who grew up during the 80's and earlu 90's.
18th Feb '16 1:43:23 AM luisedgarf
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** Due to not securing the ''FOTNS'' license for Western gamers, the UsefulNotes/SegaGenesis game was retooled into a new IP known as ''Last Battle''. The characters were all renamed (Kenshiro became "Aarzak", for instance) and most of them recolored, along with the blood being removed, but by and large, the plot is largely the same. The OpeningScroll even spoils most of it!

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** Due to not securing the ''FOTNS'' license for Western gamers, the UsefulNotes/SegaGenesis game was retooled into a new IP game known as ''Last Battle''. The characters were all renamed (Kenshiro became "Aarzak", for instance) and most of them recolored, along with the blood being removed, but by and large, the plot is largely the same. The OpeningScroll even spoils most of it!
20th Jan '16 9:58:16 AM rufusluciusivan
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** Another source of dissonance for Western audiences can arise from Ken's [[EasilyForgiven forgiving of villians]] because of their {{Freudian Excuse}}s, even if they're mass murderers (Souther, Ryuga), serial rapists (Yuda), or SocialDarwinist tyrants (Raoh, Shin, Kaioh) who have ''killed'' many of Ken's TrueCompanions (Raoh with Rei and Fudo, Souther with Shu, Ryuga with Toki, Kaioh with Schachi). In Japan, criminals who show remorse for their crimes are often treated less harshly, so Ken's forgiveness can seem less misguided if seen from that perspective.

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** Another source of dissonance for Western audiences can arise from Ken's [[EasilyForgiven forgiving of villians]] because of their {{Freudian Excuse}}s, even if they're mass murderers (Souther, Ryuga), serial rapists (Yuda), or SocialDarwinist tyrants (Raoh, Shin, Kaioh) who have ''killed'' many of Ken's TrueCompanions (Raoh with Rei and Fudo, Souther with Shu, Ryuga with Toki, Kaioh with Schachi). In Japan, criminals who show remorse for their crimes are often treated less harshly, so Ken's forgiveness can seem less misguided if seen from that perspective. Although, it should be noted that said forgiveness comes after they've been inflicted with fatal wounds and/or doesn't stop Kenshiro from [[DeadlyEuphemism neutralizing]] their threat.
3rd Jan '16 6:51:22 PM bowserbros
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** SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped: The series does have a valid point with its "[[RatedMForManly masculinity]] and [[ThePowerOfLove a sensitive heart]] are [[BruiserWithASoftCenter not mutually exclusive]]" ethos, which is still rather lacking in many anime and other media.

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** SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped: The series does have a valid point with its "[[RatedMForManly masculinity]] and [[ThePowerOfLove a sensitive heart]] are [[BruiserWithASoftCenter not mutually exclusive]]" ethos, which is still rather lacking in many anime and other media. Additionally, it shows what leads each character to their current beliefs and why they commit certain actions over the course of the story. If anything, this is a series that teaches open-mindedness.
26th Dec '15 1:40:49 AM SpectralTime
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* BrokenBase: The 1986 Movie. Some despise it for all the changes it makes (removing Toki, cutting down Shin's screen time, etc.) and feel that all the story from Parts 1-2 forced into a 110 minute production leaves the story rushed and uneven. Others feel it's a well done PragmaticAdaptation that manages to keep the spirit of the story along with its themes, and is helped immensely by excellent animation (granted the video quality on many copies is dubious). Then there's the dub. Some see it as a cringeworthy CutAndPasteTranslation that removes key information, changes the context of several scenes, and has the dub actors awkwardly mispronounce the characters names. Others are more accepting of the changes, as the story is still coherent and the dub has a number of good actors putting in solid performances.

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* BrokenBase: The 1986 Movie. Some despise it for all the changes it makes (removing Toki, cutting down Shin's screen time, etc.) and feel that all the story from Parts 1-2 forced into a 110 minute production leaves the story rushed and uneven. Others feel it's a well done PragmaticAdaptation that manages to keep the spirit of the story along with its themes, and is helped immensely by excellent animation (granted the video quality on many copies is dubious). Then there's the dub. Some see it as a cringeworthy CutAndPasteTranslation that removes key information, changes the context of several scenes, and has the dub actors awkwardly mispronounce the characters names. Others are more accepting of the changes, as the story is still coherent and the dub has a number of good actors putting in solid performances.performances in an era when many such productions were usually characterized by [[TheyJustDidntCare a lack of polish or effort]].
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