History YMMV / FistOfTheNorthStar

20th Jan '16 9:58:16 AM rufusluciusivan
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** Another source of dissonance for Western audiences can arise from Ken's [[EasilyForgiven forgiving of villians]] because of their {{Freudian Excuse}}s, even if they're mass murderers (Souther, Ryuga), serial rapists (Yuda), or SocialDarwinist tyrants (Raoh, Shin, Kaioh) who have ''killed'' many of Ken's TrueCompanions (Raoh with Rei and Fudo, Souther with Shu, Ryuga with Toki, Kaioh with Schachi). In Japan, criminals who show remorse for their crimes are often treated less harshly, so Ken's forgiveness can seem less misguided if seen from that perspective.
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** Another source of dissonance for Western audiences can arise from Ken's [[EasilyForgiven forgiving of villians]] because of their {{Freudian Excuse}}s, even if they're mass murderers (Souther, Ryuga), serial rapists (Yuda), or SocialDarwinist tyrants (Raoh, Shin, Kaioh) who have ''killed'' many of Ken's TrueCompanions (Raoh with Rei and Fudo, Souther with Shu, Ryuga with Toki, Kaioh with Schachi). In Japan, criminals who show remorse for their crimes are often treated less harshly, so Ken's forgiveness can seem less misguided if seen from that perspective. Although, it should be noted that said forgiveness comes after they've been inflicted with fatal wounds and/or doesn't stop Kenshiro from [[DeadlyEuphemism neutralizing]] their threat.
3rd Jan '16 6:51:22 PM bowserbros
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** SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped: The series does have a valid point with its "[[RatedMForManly masculinity]] and [[ThePowerOfLove a sensitive heart]] are [[BruiserWithASoftCenter not mutually exclusive]]" ethos, which is still rather lacking in many anime and other media.
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** SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped: The series does have a valid point with its "[[RatedMForManly masculinity]] and [[ThePowerOfLove a sensitive heart]] are [[BruiserWithASoftCenter not mutually exclusive]]" ethos, which is still rather lacking in many anime and other media. Additionally, it shows what leads each character to their current beliefs and why they commit certain actions over the course of the story. If anything, this is a series that teaches open-mindedness.
26th Dec '15 1:40:49 AM SpectralTime
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* BrokenBase: The 1986 Movie. Some despise it for all the changes it makes (removing Toki, cutting down Shin's screen time, etc.) and feel that all the story from Parts 1-2 forced into a 110 minute production leaves the story rushed and uneven. Others feel it's a well done PragmaticAdaptation that manages to keep the spirit of the story along with its themes, and is helped immensely by excellent animation (granted the video quality on many copies is dubious). Then there's the dub. Some see it as a cringeworthy CutAndPasteTranslation that removes key information, changes the context of several scenes, and has the dub actors awkwardly mispronounce the characters names. Others are more accepting of the changes, as the story is still coherent and the dub has a number of good actors putting in solid performances.
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* BrokenBase: The 1986 Movie. Some despise it for all the changes it makes (removing Toki, cutting down Shin's screen time, etc.) and feel that all the story from Parts 1-2 forced into a 110 minute production leaves the story rushed and uneven. Others feel it's a well done PragmaticAdaptation that manages to keep the spirit of the story along with its themes, and is helped immensely by excellent animation (granted the video quality on many copies is dubious). Then there's the dub. Some see it as a cringeworthy CutAndPasteTranslation that removes key information, changes the context of several scenes, and has the dub actors awkwardly mispronounce the characters names. Others are more accepting of the changes, as the story is still coherent and the dub has a number of good actors putting in solid performances.performances in an era when many such productions were usually characterized by [[TheyJustDidntCare a lack of polish or effort]].
26th Dec '15 1:30:58 AM DrPsyche
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* BrokenBase: The 1986 Movie. Some despise it for all the changes it makes (removing Toki, cutting down Shin's screen time, etc.) and feel that all the story from Parts 1-2 forced into a 110 minute production leaves the story rushed and uneven. Others feel it's a well done PragmaticAdaptation that manages to keep the spirit of the story along with its themes, and is helped immensely by excellent animation (granted the video quality on many copies is dubious). Then there's the dub. Some see it as a cringeworthy CutAndPasteTranslation that removes key information, changes the context of several scenes, and has the dub actors cringingly mispronounce the characters names. Others are more accepting of the changes, as the story is still coherent and the dub has a number of good actors putting in solid performances.
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* BrokenBase: The 1986 Movie. Some despise it for all the changes it makes (removing Toki, cutting down Shin's screen time, etc.) and feel that all the story from Parts 1-2 forced into a 110 minute production leaves the story rushed and uneven. Others feel it's a well done PragmaticAdaptation that manages to keep the spirit of the story along with its themes, and is helped immensely by excellent animation (granted the video quality on many copies is dubious). Then there's the dub. Some see it as a cringeworthy CutAndPasteTranslation that removes key information, changes the context of several scenes, and has the dub actors cringingly awkwardly mispronounce the characters names. Others are more accepting of the changes, as the story is still coherent and the dub has a number of good actors putting in solid performances.
25th Dec '15 8:52:24 PM DrPsyche
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* BrokenBase: The 1986 Movie. Some despise it for all the changes it makes (removing Toki, cutting down Shin's screen time, etc.) and feel that all the story from Parts 1-2 forced into a 110 minute production leaves the story rushed and uneven. Others feel it's a well done PragmaticAdaptation that manages to keep the spirit of the story along with its themes, and is helped immensely by excellent animation (granted the video quality on many copies is dubious). Then there's the dub. Some see it as a cringeworthy CutAndPasteTranslation that removes key information, changes the context of several scenes, and has the dub actors cringingly mispronounce the characters names. Others are more accepting of the changes, as the story is still coherent and the dub has a number of good actors putting in solid performances.
24th Dec '15 1:52:24 PM MagBas
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* FixerSue: Kenshiro. By the post Shura arcs of the manga, he had become so incredibly powerful and predictably invincible that the only way Buronson and Hara could utilize him in a fresh manner is turning him into a passive observer who occasionally steps in to give a (heavy) helping hand and teach {{Anvilicious}} [[AndKnowingIsHalfTheBattle moral lessons]] rather than to administer the asskicking that the audience had come to love him for. [[EndingFatigue The authors could not even be bothered to throw one last big villain at him]], having exhausted the villain coolness pool long ago with Raoh's (and to a lesser extent, Kaioh's) death, and instead gave him a villain who was more in line with the Faux-EliteMooks Ken had routinely splattered all over the wall by this point. Toei Animation chose not to animate the post-Kaioh storyline for this reason.
14th Dec '15 7:54:47 AM bowserbros
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* HilariousInHindsight: Raoh's ambition to do battle with God becomes somewhat ironic once your realize that his [[KenjiUtsumi Japanese voice actor]] went on to voice [[Franchise/DragonBall Shenron]], the ''servant'' of God. Even more, [[ManOfAThousandVoices his voice actor]] uses '''the exact same voice''' for both characters.
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* HilariousInHindsight: Raoh's ambition to do battle with God becomes somewhat ironic once your you realize that his [[KenjiUtsumi Japanese voice actor]] went on to voice [[Franchise/DragonBall Shenron]], the ''servant'' of God. Even more, [[ManOfAThousandVoices his voice actor]] uses '''the exact same voice''' for both characters.
14th Dec '15 7:54:23 AM bowserbros
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* HilariousInHindsight: Raoh's ambition to do battle with God becomes somewhat ironic once your realize that his [[KenjiUtsumi Japanese voice actor]] went on to voice [[Franchise/DragonBall Shenron]], the ''servant'' of God. Even more, [[ManOfAThousandVoices his voice actor]] uses '''the exact same voice''' for both characters.
30th Nov '15 6:55:06 PM SolidTrig
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** Everyone, really. Bat and Lin are both orphans; Airi's parents were killed and she was sold into sex slavery by Jagi; Mamiya lost her parents to Yuda, her brother Kou to the Fang Clan, and Rei to Raoh. The whole cast has lost more loved ones than most Woobies in other series ever have.
29th Nov '15 6:02:53 PM nombretomado
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** Due to not securing the ''FOTNS'' license for Western gamers, the SegaGenesis game was retooled into a new IP known as ''Last Battle''. The characters were all renamed (Kenshiro became "Aarzak", for instance) and most of them recolored, along with the blood being removed, but by and large, the plot is largely the same. The OpeningScroll even spoils most of it! ** The SegaMasterSystem game had it even worse. It was retooled into a generic kung fu-based sidescroller known as ''Black Belt'', but {{Mooks}} still explode when hit with an attack.
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** Due to not securing the ''FOTNS'' license for Western gamers, the SegaGenesis UsefulNotes/SegaGenesis game was retooled into a new IP known as ''Last Battle''. The characters were all renamed (Kenshiro became "Aarzak", for instance) and most of them recolored, along with the blood being removed, but by and large, the plot is largely the same. The OpeningScroll even spoils most of it! ** The SegaMasterSystem UsefulNotes/SegaMasterSystem game had it even worse. It was retooled into a generic kung fu-based sidescroller known as ''Black Belt'', but {{Mooks}} still explode when hit with an attack.
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