History YMMV / FistOfTheNorthStar

30th Mar '18 4:03:10 AM FigureGunplaFan
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** Jackal's made-up "Nanto Bakusatsu Ken" technique is later used by [[spoiler:Shiva]] to distract the Goons to allow Kenshiro to reach to Shu.
25th Mar '18 1:24:05 PM DrPsyche
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* ContestedSequel: Fist of the North Star 2. FirstInstallmentWins is definitely at play here with the first manga being much more well-known and much more liked; with its characters receiving the bulk of supplementary material. Though most agree that the post Shura chapters are a case of SeasonalRot, fans are divided on the Celestial Empire and Shura arcs (which do comprise most of the sequel and the entirety of the animated adaptation of the sequel). Some were happy to see a continuation of the story and feel that there're a lot of good moments within these arcs and iconic characters in their own right (Ein, Falco, Shachi, etc.). Kaioh especially is considered to be a cool threatening villain that invokes Raoh but is different enough to stand out. Others feel that the addition is unnecessary and choose to believe it ended after Raoh's defeat. They tend to cite an unnecessary amount of retcons (Lin's secret twin-sister, Kenshiro being biologically related to Raoh and Toki and having an even bigger family) and more {{Ass Pull}}s than normal; and view it as a PostScriptSeason that dips in quality.
24th Mar '18 12:27:09 AM DrPsyche
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** [[spoiler:Kaioh kills his sister Sayaka just so he could frame Kenshiro for her death and drive Hyoh insane.]]

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** [[spoiler:Kaioh kills his sister Sayaka just so he could frame Kenshiro Jackal attempting to drown/hang children after he'd gotten possession of their water source. His other KickTheDog moments (fixing dynamite to said children, manipulating Devil's Rebirth and leaving him to die) at least had a reason behind them if only to escape from Kenshiro. There was no real reason for her death killing the kids other than pettiness and drive Hyoh insane.]]sadism.



** Jackal attempting to drown/hang children after he'd gotten possession of their water source. Sure his other KickTheDog moments were bad: fixing dynamite to said children, manipulating Devil's Rebirth and leaving him to die, but there was at least a reason for those: saving his own worthless skin from Ken. There was no real reason for killing the kids other than pettiness and sadism.

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** Jackal attempting to drown/hang children after he'd gotten possession of their water source. Sure [[spoiler:Kaioh kills his other KickTheDog moments were bad: fixing dynamite to said children, manipulating Devil's Rebirth sister Sayaka just so he could frame Kenshiro for her death and leaving him to die, but there was at least a reason for those: saving his own worthless skin from Ken. There was no real reason for killing the kids other than pettiness and sadism.drive Hyoh insane.]]
7th Mar '18 3:46:48 PM nombretomado
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** More like "First TV Adaptation Wins". Many fans of Toei's adaptation considers ToeiAnimation's version to be superior than North Star Pictures' adaptation, where Toei's version was more emotionally driven.

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** More like "First TV Adaptation Wins". Many fans of Toei's adaptation considers ToeiAnimation's Creator/ToeiAnimation's version to be superior than North Star Pictures' adaptation, where Toei's version was more emotionally driven.
28th Jan '18 3:37:26 AM RedScharlach
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** The 1986 Movie. Some despise it for all the changes it makes (removing Toki, cutting down Shin's screen time, etc.) and feel that all the story from Parts 1-2 forced into a 110 minute production leaves the story rushed and uneven. Others feel it's a well done PragmaticAdaptation that manages to keep the spirit of the story along with its themes, and is helped immensely by excellent animation (granted the video quality on many copies is dubious). Then there's the dub. Some see it as a cringeworthy CutAndPasteTranslation that removes key information, changes the context of several scenes, and has the dub actors awkwardly mispronounce the characters names. Others are more accepting of the changes, as the story is still coherent and the dub has a number of good actors putting in solid performances in an era when many such productions were usually characterized by a lack of polish or effort.

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** The 1986 Movie. Some despise it for all the changes it makes (removing Toki, cutting down Shin's screen time, etc.) and feel that all the story from Parts 1-2 forced into a 110 minute 110-minute production leaves the story rushed and uneven. Others feel it's a well done PragmaticAdaptation that manages to keep the spirit of the story along with its themes, and is helped immensely by excellent animation (granted the video quality on many copies is dubious). Then there's the dub. Some see it as a cringeworthy CutAndPasteTranslation that removes key information, changes the context of several scenes, and has the dub actors awkwardly mispronounce the characters characters' names. Others are more accepting of the changes, as the story is still coherent and the dub has a number of good actors putting in solid performances in an era when many such productions were usually characterized by a lack of polish or effort.



** Souther's still thought to be a appealing character, [[TestosteroneBrigade especially by women]], despite all the atrocities he has committed. Most famously Creator/YukoGoto, the voice of [[{{Moe}} Mikuru-chan]] from the ''LightNovel/HaruhiSuzumiya'' franchise (and recently, the producer of ''VideoGame/FistOfTheNorthStarKensRage'').

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** Souther's still thought to be a an appealing character, [[TestosteroneBrigade especially by women]], despite all the atrocities he has committed. Most famously Creator/YukoGoto, the voice of [[{{Moe}} Mikuru-chan]] from the ''LightNovel/HaruhiSuzumiya'' franchise (and recently, the producer of ''VideoGame/FistOfTheNorthStarKensRage'').



* EvilIsCool: Raoh, Kaioh, Jagi, Shin, Mr. Heart, Ryuga and Souther

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* EvilIsCool: Raoh, Kaioh, Jagi, Shin, Mr. Heart, Ryuga and SoutherSouther.



* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Thouzer. Sure, his backstory is pretty sad, since he accidently killed his beloved master. However the fact that he kidnapped kids and put them in cruel slave labor really kills off any sympathy for him.

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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Thouzer. Sure, his backstory is pretty sad, since he accidently accidentally killed his beloved master. However the fact that he kidnapped kids and put them in cruel slave labor really kills off any sympathy for him.
27th Jan '18 7:05:30 AM HailMuffins
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* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: This is ''the'' {{Trope Maker|s}} for ''Magazine/ShonenJump'' series as we know them today (''Manga/DragonBall'' and ''Manga/SaintSeiya'' being the {{Trope Codifier}}s), and it was groundbreaking in its time... but [[TheEighties that was almost thirty years ago]], which leads to several of the tropes used seeming stale to modern audiences.

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* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: This is ''the'' {{Trope Maker|s}} for ''Magazine/ShonenJump'' series as we know them today (''Manga/DragonBall'' and ''Manga/SaintSeiya'' being the {{Trope Codifier}}s), and it was groundbreaking in its time... but [[TheEighties that was almost thirty years decades ago]], which leads to several of the tropes used seeming stale to modern audiences.
18th Dec '17 3:56:50 AM FigureGunplaFan
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* MemeticMutation:
** "YouAreAlreadyDead.", said by Kenshiro after his does his thing.
*** And the usual '''[[BigWhat NANI?]]''' screamed by the bad guys before exploding.
** Ken's battle shouts. "ATATATATATATATATA! WAH-TAH!"
** A clip where Hyui dispatches a {[Mook}] while yelling '''[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHbgoLFvpmE EEEEAAAAUUUUUAAAAHHHH]]''' has been remixed and such several times.
** [[https://img.fireden.net/a/image/1453/80/1453801279520.jpg The face a black mook makes]] in one scene has become the template for the SHOOP DA WHOOP meme.
** The scene with Kenshiro destroying the tank happens to extremely popular, and is often used to describe the series in a nutshell, despite the fact it came from a filler episode.
** [[http://riceballman.fc2web.com/AA-Illust/Data/ObutuHaSyoudokuda-.html Souther's flamethrower-wielding mook]] has been the subject of many parodies, particularly on Pixiv.
** Jackal's "Nanto Bakusatsu Ken" style, Ken's skeptical response about "calling throwing dynamite around a martial art", and Jackal's response ("Hey, as long as it works") have been the subject of a number of edits or faceswaps in regards to characters who use explosives.
%%** [[http://i.imgur.com/rqwvLy5.gif Kenshiro being intense in a haystack.]]
%%** "[[YourHeadASplode HIDEBU]]"
%%** YOU WA SHOCK!
%%** By extension, [[{{Mondegreen}} YOU'RE A SHARK!]]

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* MemeticMutation:
** "YouAreAlreadyDead.", said by Kenshiro after his does his thing.
*** And the usual '''[[BigWhat NANI?]]''' screamed by the bad guys before exploding.
** Ken's battle shouts. "ATATATATATATATATA! WAH-TAH!"
** A clip where Hyui dispatches a {[Mook}] while yelling '''[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHbgoLFvpmE EEEEAAAAUUUUUAAAAHHHH]]''' has been remixed and such several times.
** [[https://img.fireden.net/a/image/1453/80/1453801279520.jpg The face a black mook makes]] in one scene has become the template for the SHOOP DA WHOOP meme.
** The scene with Kenshiro destroying the tank happens to extremely popular, and is often used to describe the series in a nutshell, despite the fact it came from a filler episode.
** [[http://riceballman.fc2web.com/AA-Illust/Data/ObutuHaSyoudokuda-.html Souther's flamethrower-wielding mook]] has been the subject of many parodies, particularly on Pixiv.
** Jackal's "Nanto Bakusatsu Ken" style, Ken's skeptical response about "calling throwing dynamite around a martial art", and Jackal's response ("Hey, as long as it works") have been the subject of a number of edits or faceswaps in regards to characters who use explosives.
%%** [[http://i.imgur.com/rqwvLy5.gif Kenshiro being intense in a haystack.]]
%%** "[[YourHeadASplode HIDEBU]]"
%%** YOU WA SHOCK!
%%** By extension, [[{{Mondegreen}} YOU'RE A SHARK!]]
MemeticMutation: [[{{Memes/FistOfTheNorthStar}} Can be seen here.]]
17th Dec '17 7:32:04 PM FigureGunplaFan
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* IAmNotShazam: On the music side: The opening theme "Ai o Torimodose" is sometimes referred as "You Wa Shock".
12th Dec '17 2:30:42 PM Djangou76
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* JerkassWoobie: Watching Souther weep for his beloved master during the last seconds of his life, it's easy to forget Souther is a genocidal child-murderer.

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* JerkassWoobie: Watching Souther weep for his beloved master during the last seconds of his life, it's easy to forget that Souther is a genocidal child-murderer.



** Not quite, but a clip where Hyui dispatches a Mook while yelling '''[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHbgoLFvpmE EEEEAAAAUUUUUAAAAHHHH]]''' has been remixed and such several times.
** The [[https://images.encyclopediadramatica.se/a/af/Bscap378.jpg face a black mook makes]] in one scene has become the template for the SHOOP DA WHOOP meme.
** The scene with Kenshiro destroying the tank happens to be the most popular scene and is used to describe the series in a nutshell despite the fact it came from a filler episode.

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** Not quite, but a A clip where Hyui dispatches a Mook {[Mook}] while yelling '''[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHbgoLFvpmE EEEEAAAAUUUUUAAAAHHHH]]''' has been remixed and such several times.
** [[https://img.fireden.net/a/image/1453/80/1453801279520.jpg The [[https://images.encyclopediadramatica.se/a/af/Bscap378.jpg face a black mook makes]] in one scene has become the template for the SHOOP DA WHOOP meme.
** The scene with Kenshiro destroying the tank happens to be the most popular scene extremely popular, and is often used to describe the series in a nutshell nutshell, despite the fact it came from a filler episode.
7th Dec '17 12:31:25 PM MajinAkuma
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* {{Mondegreen}}: It is common among people to mishear Kenshiro's "OWATTA!" ("Finish!") as "WATTA" or "WATAH". Even the Japanese do that mistake. [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JBg6rWDIl0 There's a video that addresses that issue, with Akira Kamiya confirming it.]]



** Kenshiro's {{Kiai}}: "ATATATATATATATATA WATTA!"

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** Kenshiro's {{Kiai}}: "ATATATATATATATATA WATTA!""ATATATATATATATATA! OWATTA!"
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