History YMMV / FinalFantasyVIIAdventChildren

7th Mar '18 12:45:26 PM Chasem
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* AuthorsSavingThrow: ''Advent Children Complete'' was an attempt to do this; many new scenes and extended scenes better explain critical plot elements, better develop the characters, and overall streamline the film's pacing and story. If the finished product is actually good is still up for debate, and some new elements are claimed to be even weaker, but they at least tried to improve it.

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* AuthorsSavingThrow: ''Advent Children Complete'' was an attempt to do this; many new scenes and extended scenes better explain critical plot elements, better develop the characters, and overall streamline the film's pacing and story. If the finished product is actually good is still up for debate, and some new elements are claimed to be even weaker, but they at least tried to improve it.it and it's generally agreed that the improvements outweigh the negative changes.
7th Mar '18 12:18:36 PM Chasem
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* CriticalDissonance: A mild case, due to the fact that both critics and general audiences were highly divided on the film. ''Advent Children'' received mostly negative reviews from both gaming and non-gaming critics alike due to its confusing plot, along with other issues such as ContinuityLockout and {{Flanderization}} of many characters.[[note]]The latter was at least partially addressed by ''Complete''.[[/note]] It stands at a Rotten Tomatoes rating of 33% which is lower than ''Anime/FinalFantasyTheSpiritsWithin'' which is an InNameOnly adaption in contrast to this being a direct sequel (although most of the reviews are for the original and not ''Complete''). However, ''Advent Children'' was very successful commercially, and as the main demographic of the film, some ''[=FFVII=]'' fans are more forgiving of it (especially ''Complete'') and argue that it works (to varying degrees) as a companion piece to the game, rather than a standalone film.

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* CriticalDissonance: A mild case, due to the fact that both critics and general audiences were highly divided on the film. ''Advent Children'' received mostly negative reviews from both gaming and non-gaming critics alike due to its confusing plot, along with other issues such as ContinuityLockout and {{Flanderization}} of many characters.[[note]]The latter was at least partially addressed by ''Complete''.[[/note]] It stands at a Rotten Tomatoes rating of 33% which is lower than ''Anime/FinalFantasyTheSpiritsWithin'' which is an InNameOnly adaption in contrast to this being a direct sequel (although most of the reviews are for the original and not ''Complete''). However, ''Advent Children'' was very successful commercially, and as the main demographic of the film, some ''[=FFVII=]'' fans are more forgiving of it (especially ''Complete'') and argue that it works (to varying degrees) as a companion piece to the game, rather than a standalone film.film. It stands at a Rotten Tomatoes rating of 33%[[note]]which is lower than ''Anime/FinalFantasyTheSpiritsWithin'' which is an InNameOnly adaption in contrast to this being a direct sequel[[/note]] (although most of the reviews are for the original and not ''Complete''), but has an [=IMDb=] rating of 7.3 out of 10.
7th Mar '18 12:06:19 PM Chasem
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** The Fusion Swords themselves are either flat-out awesome, or an overblown and impractical take on the Buster Sword that tries too hard to be cool.
7th Mar '18 11:33:26 AM Chasem
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** Mena Suvari's performance as Aerith was this at the time of the film's release. It didn't help that she replaced Mandy Moore who had voiced the character in ''VideoGame/KingdomHearts'' (and the other ''VII'' characters had kept their actors from that game). When ''Kingdom Hearts II'' came out, she became even more disliked and that was her last time voicing the character.

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** Mena Suvari's performance as Aerith was this at the time of the film's release. It didn't help that she replaced Mandy Moore who had voiced the character in ''VideoGame/KingdomHearts'' (and the other ''VII'' characters had kept their actors from that game).game, aside from Sephiroth whose replacement voice Creator/GeorgeNewbern was widely liked). When ''Kingdom Hearts II'' came out, she became even more disliked and that was her last time voicing the character.
7th Mar '18 11:25:08 AM Chasem
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* BaseBreakingCharacter: Mena Suvari's performance as Aerith was this at the time of the film's release. It didn't help that she replaced Mandy Moore who had voiced the character in ''VideoGame/KingdomHearts'' (and the other ''VII'' characters had kept their actors from that game). When ''Kingdom Hearts II'' came out, she became even more disliked and that was her last time voicing the character.

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** Cloud, infamously so and far more than in the original game. Over both versions of the film, fans argued for him either having a strong character arc and having an impressive weapon and flashy fight scenes to his name, or having a contrived character arc and spending much of the movie as an unlikable, whiny emo, and being a far cry from the well-rounded and highly variable character he was in the original game.
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Mena Suvari's performance as Aerith was this at the time of the film's release. It didn't help that she replaced Mandy Moore who had voiced the character in ''VideoGame/KingdomHearts'' (and the other ''VII'' characters had kept their actors from that game). When ''Kingdom Hearts II'' came out, she became even more disliked and that was her last time voicing the character.
7th Mar '18 10:23:36 AM Chasem
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* SubbingVersusDubbing: The English dub, while generally considered above par for an anime dub, is highly contentious. On one hand, many of the performances and memorable lines were praised, particularly with Creator/GeorgeNewbern who made his debut as Sephiroth and replaced the unpopular Lance Bass from ''VideoGame/KingdomHearts''. On the other hand, the LipLock is considered a consistent problem, both in terms of immersion and in terms of lines that were changed to fit (such as the infamous "dilly-dally shilly-shally"), and Steve Burton's performance as Cloud, while debated, is generally considered inferior to Creator/TakahiroSakurai's in the Japanese version.
6th Mar '18 4:15:25 PM Chasem
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* NeverLiveItDown: You can thank this film for hogtying Cloud to the term "emo."

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* NeverLiveItDown: You can thank this film for hogtying Cloud -- and ''Final Fantasy'' protagonists in general -- to the term "emo."
5th Mar '18 3:59:54 PM Chasem
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* RewatchBonus: With shades of VindicatedByHistory and CharacterRerailment. With Cloud being readjusted to his old, cockier and more confident personality in TheNewTens and shaking off the "mopey emo" stigma that this movie gave him, some fans have noted when rewatching ''Complete'' that they pay more attention to the actual CharacterDevelopment he goes through in the movie (regaining his old levels of strength and confidence), as opposed to his {{wangst}}ing overshadowing everything else and overtaking his character in general.


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* VindicatedByHistory: Cloud's character arc in ''Complete'', mostly due to CharacterRerailment in newer appearances. With Cloud being readjusted to his old, cockier and more confident personality in TheNewTens and shaking off the "mopey emo" stigma that this movie gave him, some fans have noted when rewatching ''Complete'' that they pay more attention to the actual CharacterDevelopment he goes through in the movie (regaining his old levels of strength and confidence), as opposed to his {{wangst}}ing overshadowing everything else and overtaking his character in general.
5th Mar '18 3:58:34 PM Chasem
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* RewatchBonus: With shades of VindicatedByHistory and CharacterRerailment. With Cloud being readjusted to his old, cockier and more confident personality in TheNewTens and shaking off the "mopey emo" stigma that this movie gave him, some fans have noted when rewatching ''Complete'' that they pay more attention to the actual CharacterDevelopment he goes through in the movie (regaining his old levels of strength and confidence), as opposed to his {{wangst}}ing overshadowing everything else and overtaking his character in general.
5th Mar '18 3:21:39 PM Chasem
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* DorkAge: As the pilot project of the "Compilation of ''Final Fantasy VII''", ''Advent Children'' started one. The movie was met with highly mixed reception, and many fans were not happy with the {{Flanderization}} of various characters, particularly Cloud into the kind of "emo pretty-boy" stereotype that [[NeverLiveItDown eventually became a frequent point of criticism]] for ''Final Fantasy'', and Square Enix, as a whole. As the Compilation continued to build up, ''[=FF7=]'' lost much of its prestige and recognition, and only started to see a rise again with the announcement of ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVIIRemake'' and Cloud's addition to ''VideoGame/SuperSmashBros'', both of which were driven by HolyShitQuotient reactions and drew heavily from the original game while ignoring developments from ''Advent Children'' and the rest of the Compilation.[[note]]However, Cloud's popular ''Advent Children'' costume is an alternate costume in ''Smash''.[[/note]]

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* DorkAge: As the pilot project of the "Compilation of ''Final Fantasy VII''", ''Advent Children'' started one. The movie was met with highly mixed reception, and many fans were not happy with the {{Flanderization}} of various characters, particularly Cloud into Cloud, who was bashed as the kind of "emo pretty-boy" stereotype that [[NeverLiveItDown eventually became a frequent point of criticism]] for ''Final Fantasy'', and Square Enix, as a whole. As the Compilation continued to build up, ''[=FF7=]'' lost much of its prestige and recognition, and only started to see a rise again with the announcement of ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVIIRemake'' and Cloud's addition to ''VideoGame/SuperSmashBros'', both of which were driven by HolyShitQuotient reactions and drew heavily from the original game while ignoring developments from ''Advent Children'' and the rest of the Compilation.[[note]]However, Cloud's popular ''Advent Children'' costume is an alternate costume in ''Smash''.[[/note]]
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