History YMMV / FinalFantasyTacticsAdvance

16th Jun '16 10:05:30 PM SpectralTime
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: There are those who believe that Marche is really the villain and that he is essentially killing off a world full of people and [[spoiler: stripping his family and friends of their hearts' desires]] in a selfish wish to go home. While the sequel [[spoiler: more or less confirms that things worked out pretty well for everyone,]] it ''is'' true that the ''game'' isn't great about arguing against this point of view. Added on that since his actions involve forcibly changing the world explicitly against the will of it's citizens, it's easy to say that he behaves like a villain sometimes regardless of if he's ultimately right or wrong.

to:

* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: There are those who believe that Marche is really the villain and that he is essentially killing off a world full of people and [[spoiler: stripping his family and friends of their hearts' desires]] in a selfish wish to go home. While the sequel [[spoiler: more or less confirms that things worked out pretty well for everyone,]] it ''is'' true that the ''game'' isn't great about arguing against this point of view. Added on that since his actions involve forcibly changing the world explicitly against the will of it's citizens, it's easy to say that he behaves like a villain sometimes regardless of if he's ultimately right or wrong.



* BrokenBase: The game itself heavily divided fans of the Tactics series, mostly due to the new gameplay direction and the story.

to:

* BrokenBase: The game itself heavily divided fans of the Tactics series, mostly due to the new gameplay direction and the story. For every fan that preferred the permadeath and slower pace of the original ''Tactics'', another liked the faster pace and changes brought on by introducing all the new races and classes. Meanwhile, fans of the original's dark political drama complain that the new story direction is a step backwards in maturity, while others prefer the more-straightforward plot and argue that its critics are complaining about the surface elements of the game without seeing the true depth of some of the more psychological themes and genre deconstruction.



* EsotericHappyEnding: While they lost what they had in Ivalice, and while at the very least they will never see their friends there again (subsequent games have confirmed that they didn't quite ''destroy'' the place), Marche and company have at least learned to face up to their problems and work towards self-improvement... even though that means Doned can't walk.

to:

* EsotericHappyEnding: While they lost what they had in Ivalice, and while at the very least they will never see their friends there again (subsequent games have confirmed that they didn't quite ''destroy'' the place), Marche and company have at least learned to face up to their problems and work towards self-improvement... even though that means Doned can't walk.self-improvement instead of avoiding their problems.



* GameBreaker: Concentrate breaks most skills clean in half, since low accuracy is what keeps them balanced, and three races can learn it. Double Sword is also fairly ridiculous, but that's Human-only. Doublecast is terrifying when you consider that it works on Summoner abilities - yes, including Madeen.

to:

* GameBreaker: Concentrate breaks most a number of skills clean in half, since it turns almost every skill into an AlwaysAccurateAttack and low accuracy is what keeps them balanced, and three balanced. Three races can learn it. Double Sword is also fairly ridiculous, but that's Human-only. Doublecast is terrifying when you consider that it works on Summoner abilities - yes, including Madeen.



* JerkassWoobie: Doned does some pretty fucked up things towards his own brother, including destroying a present Marche needed to see Mewt, but at the same time, the wish he gets in the fantasy Ivalice (the ability to walk and robust health) is rather big compared to the others. Kinda understandable as to why he loathes the idea of going back.
** Ritz to a lesser extent, mostly during the time frame when Marche is on the lam. Her reason for not going back is because she hates her albino hair. Sure, other kids seem to dislike her because she's outspoken too, which could also be something, but it's outright stated that her wanting to stay is because of her hair.
*** The be fair, Ritz hates her white hair because she's constantly bullied about it. It's possible that being bullied enough has driven her to the point where she mentally broke down, which would justify her desire to not lose her now naturally pink hair. [[spoiler:However, being with Shara and the other Vierra gave her enough confidence about her white hair and ultimately reached the point where she stopped dyeing it after returning from Ivalice]].

to:

* JerkassWoobie: Doned does some pretty fucked up things towards his own brother, including destroying a present Marche needed to see Mewt, but at the same time, the wish he gets in the fantasy Ivalice (the ability to walk and (a body with robust health) health that can easily move under his own power) is rather big compared to the others. Kinda understandable as to why he loathes the idea of going back.
** Ritz to a lesser extent, mostly during the time frame when Marche is on the lam. Her reason for not going back is because she hates her albino hair. Sure, other kids seem to dislike her because she's outspoken too, which could also be something, but it's outright stated that her wanting to stay is because of her hair.
*** The be fair, Ritz hates her white
hair because she's constantly bullied about it. It's possible that being bullied enough has driven her to the point where she mentally broke down, which would justify her desire to not lose her now naturally pink hair. [[spoiler:However, being with Shara and the other Vierra gave her enough confidence about her white hair and ultimately reached the point where she stopped dyeing it after returning from Ivalice]].



* {{Narm}}: Ritz revealing why she's refusing to help Marche... because of her hair color. Bully-magnet or not, differing cultural standards or not, complext over it or not, that's one of the silliest possible reasons she could have put out for what the Gran Grimoire gave her. Hell, Shara seems to be as confused as the player!

to:

* {{Narm}}: Ritz revealing why she's refusing to help Marche... because of her hair color. Bully-magnet or not, differing cultural standards or not, complext complex over it or not, that's one of the silliest possible reasons she could have put out for what the Gran Grimoire gave her. Hell, Shara seems to be as confused as the player!
21st Apr '16 12:38:17 PM SpectralTime
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* ThatOneBoss: Llednar Twem, who combines [[HoldTheLine all the tension of having to fight an invincible enemy until the timer runs down]] with explosive firepower. Notably, unless the player knows what's coming and specifically equips and trains Marche to handle it, the DuelBoss fight with him is all-but {{Unwinnable}}.

to:

* ThatOneBoss: Llednar Twem, who combines [[HoldTheLine all the tension of having to fight an invincible enemy until the timer runs down]] with explosive firepower. Notably, unless the player knows what's coming and specifically equips and trains Marche to handle it, the DuelBoss fight with him is all-but literally {{Unwinnable}}.
21st Apr '16 12:23:48 PM AquaRegia
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* DesignatedHero: [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment Just for the record]], there are a lot of fans who consider Marche a VillainProtagonist because he decides on his own (and fairly quickly) to destroy Ivalice and restore the real world, without trying to convince his friends or looking for a way other than destruction, although the story paints Ivalice as a LotusEaterMachine and gives the {{Aesop}} that dealing with your problems is better than hiding from them, really only Mewt is the one hiding in a severely unhealthy way. Considering that at the very end they decide to preserve both worlds, it's pretty noticeable that Marche was fully willing to utterly destroy a world with history, people, and lives for the whole game until the very end when he's convinced to change his mind and come up with a compromise... which sounds like the description of many standard JRPG villains whom often do the same thing but for more insane reasons.

to:

* DesignatedHero: [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment Just for the record]], there are a lot of fans who consider Marche a VillainProtagonist because he decides on his own (and fairly quickly) to destroy Ivalice and restore the real world, without trying to convince his friends or looking for a way other than destruction, although the story paints Ivalice as a LotusEaterMachine and gives the {{Aesop}} that dealing with your problems is better than hiding from them, really only Mewt is the one hiding in a severely unhealthy way. Considering that at the very end they decide to preserve both worlds, it's pretty noticeable that Marche was fully willing to utterly destroy a world with history, people, and lives for the whole game until the very end when he's convinced to change his mind and come up with a compromise... which sounds like the description of many standard JRPG villains whom often do the same thing but for more insane reasons.them.
17th Apr '16 3:26:03 AM ergeis
Is there an issue? Send a Message

Added DiffLines:

** [[WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons "Stupid Sexy Marche!"]] After it was pointed out how...pronounced Marche's buttocks are.
11th Apr '16 1:05:06 AM CnHGirl
Is there an issue? Send a Message

Added DiffLines:

** Ritz does go into further detail on this when speaking with Shara in private: she hates her hair so much because her mother is always sad when she helps Ritz dye it, which is why Ritz hates her hair so much, the bullying situation notwithstanding. Shara points out that it's more than likely the other way around; Ritz's mother is sad ''because'' of Ritz's contempt for her hair.
9th Feb '16 11:28:42 AM bassforte123
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* DesignatedHero: [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment Just for the record]], there are a lot of fans who consider Marche a VillainProtagonist because he decides on his own (and fairly quickly) to destroy Ivalice and restore the real world, without trying to convince his friends or looking for a way other than destruction, although the story paints Ivalice as a LotusEaterMachine and gives the {{Aesop}} that dealing with your problems is better than hiding from them, really only Mewt is the one hiding in a severely unhealthy way. Considering that at the very end they decide to preserve both worlds, it's pretty noticeable that Marche was fully willing to utterly destroy a world with history, people, and lives for the whole game until the very end when he's convinced that the original Ivalice isn't the only place with value.

to:

* DesignatedHero: [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment Just for the record]], there are a lot of fans who consider Marche a VillainProtagonist because he decides on his own (and fairly quickly) to destroy Ivalice and restore the real world, without trying to convince his friends or looking for a way other than destruction, although the story paints Ivalice as a LotusEaterMachine and gives the {{Aesop}} that dealing with your problems is better than hiding from them, really only Mewt is the one hiding in a severely unhealthy way. Considering that at the very end they decide to preserve both worlds, it's pretty noticeable that Marche was fully willing to utterly destroy a world with history, people, and lives for the whole game until the very end when he's convinced that the original Ivalice isn't the only place to change his mind and come up with value.a compromise... which sounds like the description of many standard JRPG villains whom often do the same thing but for more insane reasons.
9th Feb '16 11:26:08 AM bassforte123
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* DesignatedHero: [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment Just for the record]], there are a lot of fans who consider Marche a VillainProtagonist because he decides on his own (and fairly quickly) to destroy Ivalice and restore the real world, without trying to convince his friends or looking for a way other than destruction, although the story paints Ivalice as a LotusEaterMachine and gives the {{Aesop}} that dealing with your problems is better than hiding from them.

to:

* DesignatedHero: [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment Just for the record]], there are a lot of fans who consider Marche a VillainProtagonist because he decides on his own (and fairly quickly) to destroy Ivalice and restore the real world, without trying to convince his friends or looking for a way other than destruction, although the story paints Ivalice as a LotusEaterMachine and gives the {{Aesop}} that dealing with your problems is better than hiding from them.them, really only Mewt is the one hiding in a severely unhealthy way. Considering that at the very end they decide to preserve both worlds, it's pretty noticeable that Marche was fully willing to utterly destroy a world with history, people, and lives for the whole game until the very end when he's convinced that the original Ivalice isn't the only place with value.
9th Feb '16 8:48:22 AM bassforte123
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: There are those who believe that Marche is really the villain and that he is essentially killing off a world full of people and [[spoiler: stripping his family and friends of their hearts' desires]] in a selfish wish to go home. While the sequel [[spoiler: more or less confirms that things worked out pretty well for everyone,]] it ''is'' true that the ''game'' isn't great about arguing against this point of view.

to:

* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: There are those who believe that Marche is really the villain and that he is essentially killing off a world full of people and [[spoiler: stripping his family and friends of their hearts' desires]] in a selfish wish to go home. While the sequel [[spoiler: more or less confirms that things worked out pretty well for everyone,]] it ''is'' true that the ''game'' isn't great about arguing against this point of view. Added on that since his actions involve forcibly changing the world explicitly against the will of it's citizens, it's easy to say that he behaves like a villain sometimes regardless of if he's ultimately right or wrong.
30th Jan '16 8:14:14 PM Aiddon
Is there an issue? Send a Message


** VindicatedByHistory: As of 2016, there have been some people who have pointed out that while the plot concept is adolescent (it was mentioned by several magazines it was like ''Literature/TheNeverendingStory''), it actually has a lot of mature themes in it that a lot of people didn't notice in 2003.

to:

** VindicatedByHistory: As of 2016, 2016 with its Virtual Console release on the Wii U, there have been some people who have pointed out that while the plot concept is adolescent (it was mentioned by several magazines it was like ''Literature/TheNeverendingStory''), it actually has a lot of mature themes in it that a lot of people didn't notice in 2003. 2003 such as the effects of divorce on children, the stages of grief with the death of a loved one, bullying and the desire to retreat into fantasy as a coping mechanism, etc.
28th Jan '16 8:59:18 PM ReyKenobi
Is there an issue? Send a Message

Added DiffLines:

** As mentioned in the JerkassWoobie section... Ritz's reason for wanting to stay is her white hair. That she gets bullied for. Given that KidsAreCruel, there's a great chance that she was bullied into having a mental breakdown.


Added DiffLines:

** VindicatedByHistory: As of 2016, there have been some people who have pointed out that while the plot concept is adolescent (it was mentioned by several magazines it was like ''Literature/TheNeverendingStory''), it actually has a lot of mature themes in it that a lot of people didn't notice in 2003.
This list shows the last 10 events of 73. Show all.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=YMMV.FinalFantasyTacticsAdvance