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Justifying edit and speculation


* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: This episode attempts to explain Peter's abuse of Meg by revealing that he was also abused by Karen when growing up. This fell flat for most viewers due to the fact that a) [[AssPull Karen has never been mentioned before this point]], and b) her treatment of Peter still [[FreudianExcuseIsNoExcuse doesn't justify how he treats his own children]]. The fact that Peter [[StatusQuoIsGod immediately goes back to mistreating Meg]] after this episode puts him and this plotline in an even worse light for many (unless one assumes all following episodes featuring Peter mistreating Meg take place before this one, given the show's common NegativeContinuity use).

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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: This episode attempts to explain Peter's abuse of Meg by revealing that he was also abused by Karen when growing up. This fell flat for most viewers due to the fact that a) [[AssPull Karen has never been mentioned before this point]], and b) her treatment of Peter still [[FreudianExcuseIsNoExcuse doesn't justify how he treats his own children]]. The fact that Peter [[StatusQuoIsGod immediately goes back to mistreating Meg]] after this episode puts him and this plotline in an even worse light for many (unless one assumes all following episodes featuring Peter mistreating Meg take place before this one, given the show's common NegativeContinuity use).many.
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: This episode attempts to explain Peter's abuse of Meg by revealing that he was also abused by Karen when growing up. This fell flat for most viewers due to the fact that a) [[AssPull Karen has never been mentioned before this point]], and b) her treatment of Peter still [[FreudianExcuseIsNoExcuse doesn't justify how he treats his own children]]. The fact that Peter [[StatusQuoIsGod immediately goes back to mistreating Meg]] after this episode puts him and this plotline in an even worse light for many.

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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: This episode attempts to explain Peter's abuse of Meg by revealing that he was also abused by Karen when growing up. This fell flat for most viewers due to the fact that a) [[AssPull Karen has never been mentioned before this point]], and b) her treatment of Peter still [[FreudianExcuseIsNoExcuse doesn't justify how he treats his own children]]. The fact that Peter [[StatusQuoIsGod immediately goes back to mistreating Meg]] after this episode puts him and this plotline in an even worse light for many.many (unless one assumes all following episodes featuring Peter mistreating Meg take place before this one, given the show's common NegativeContinuity use).
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* AuthorsSavingThrow: Attempted. The episode reveals that Peter grew up with an older sister who used to beat and bully him, [[FreudianExcuse redefining the motivation]] behind his past abuse towards Meg. He is also shown being subjected to [[LaserGuidedKarma that humiliating abuse]] from Karen before she [[MoralEventHorizon goes too far]].
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* {{Asspull}}: Karen has never been mentioned or hinted at before her introduction in this episode. It's never been indicated that Peter had siblings [[note]]Several cutaways have involved him having an EvilTwin, but these are just one-off gags[[/note]] and his childhood flashbacks have always shown him to be an only child (including episodes released ''after'' this one), with the sole exception being a cutaway gag in "Brothers & Sisters" where he mentions having a [[{{Hermaphrodite}} broster]].

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* {{Asspull}}: AssPull: Karen has never been mentioned or hinted at before her introduction in this episode. It's never been indicated that Peter had siblings [[note]]Several cutaways have involved him having an EvilTwin, but these are just one-off gags[[/note]] and his childhood flashbacks have always shown him to be an only child (including episodes released ''after'' this one), with the sole exception being a cutaway gag in "Brothers & Sisters" where he mentions having a [[{{Hermaphrodite}} broster]].



* FridgeBrilliance: With Karen being so mean to him, it's possible that the reason why we've never heard of Karen or seen her is because Peter wanted to forget she existed. [[FridgeHorror However]], this might make ya' wonder ''how bad'' Karen was to Peter that he wanted to forget she existed?

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* FridgeBrilliance: With Karen being so mean to him, it's possible that the reason why we've never heard of Karen or seen her is because Peter wanted to forget she existed. [[FridgeHorror However]], this might make ya' wonder ''how bad'' Karen was to May also double as FridgeHorror; her abuse must have been pretty bad for Peter that he wanted to forget she existed?about his sibling's ''entire existence''.
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Added more to Fridge Brilliance with a li'l fridge horror.
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* FridgeBrilliance: With Karen being so mean to him, it's possible that the reason why we've never heard of Karen or seen her is because Peter wanted to forget she existed.

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* FridgeBrilliance: With Karen being so mean to him, it's possible that the reason why we've never heard of Karen or seen her is because Peter wanted to forget she existed. [[FridgeHorror However]], this might make ya' wonder ''how bad'' Karen was to Peter that he wanted to forget she existed?
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It's kind of a karmic overkill.


* CatharsisFactor: Watching Peter be [[LaserGuidedKarma abused by his sister in the same way he's abused Meg in the past seasons]] is pretty satisfying to watch. Though even then, the "Toxic Shock" scene is just uncomfortable.

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* CatharsisFactor: Watching Peter be [[LaserGuidedKarma abused by his sister in the same way he's abused Meg in the past seasons]] is pretty satisfying to watch. Though even then, the "Toxic Shock" scene is just uncomfortable.[[KarmicOverkill uncomfortable]].
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* CatharsisFactor: Watching Peter be [[LaserGuidedKarma abused by his sister in the same way he's abused Meg in the past seasons]] is pretty satisfying to watch. Though even then, the "Toxic Shock" scene is just uncomfortable.


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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: This episode attempts to explain Peter's abuse of Meg by revealing that he was also abused by Karen when growing up. This fell flat for most viewers due to the fact that a) [[AssPull Karen has never been mentioned before this point]], and b) her treatment of Peter still [[FreudianExcuseIsNoExcuse doesn't justify how he treats his own children]]. The fact that Peter [[StatusQuoIsGod immediately goes back to mistreating Meg]] after this episode puts him and this plotline in an even worse light for many.
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* CatharsisFactor: Watching Peter be [[LaserGuidedKarma abused by his sister in the same way he's abused Meg in the past seasons]] is pretty satisfying to watch. Though even then, the "Toxic Shock" scene is just uncomfortable.



* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: This episode attempts to explain Peter's abuse of Meg by revealing that he was also abused by Karen when growing up. This fell flat for most viewers due to the fact that a) [[AssPull Karen has never been mentioned before this point]], and b) her treatment of Peter still [[FreudianExcuseIsNoExcuse doesn't justify how he treats his own children]]. The fact that Peter [[StatusQuoIsGod immediately goes back to mistreating Meg]] after this episode puts him and this plotline in an even worse light for many.
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* AuthorsSavingThrow: Attempted. The episode reveals that Peter grew up with an older sister who used to beat and bully him, [[FreudianExcuse redefining the motivation]] behind his past abuse towards Meg. He is also shown being subjected to [[CatharsisFactor that humiliating abuse]] from Karen before she [[MoralEventHorizon goes too far]].

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* AuthorsSavingThrow: Attempted. The episode reveals that Peter grew up with an older sister who used to beat and bully him, [[FreudianExcuse redefining the motivation]] behind his past abuse towards Meg. He is also shown being subjected to [[CatharsisFactor [[LaserGuidedKarma that humiliating abuse]] from Karen before she [[MoralEventHorizon goes too far]].

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* AuthorsSavingThrow: Attempted. The episode reveals that Peter grew up with an older sister who used to beat and bully him, [[FreudianExcuse redefining the motivation]] behind his past abuse towards Meg. He is also shown being subjected to [[TakeThatScrappy that humiliating abuse]] from Karen before she [[MoralEventHorizon goes too far]].

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* AuthorsSavingThrow: Attempted. The episode reveals that Peter grew up with an older sister who used to beat and bully him, [[FreudianExcuse redefining the motivation]] behind his past abuse towards Meg. He is also shown being subjected to [[TakeThatScrappy [[CatharsisFactor that humiliating abuse]] from Karen before she [[MoralEventHorizon goes too far]].far]].
* CatharsisFactor: Watching Peter be [[LaserGuidedKarma abused by his sister in the same way he's abused Meg in the past seasons]] is pretty satisfying to watch. Though even then, the "Toxic Shock" scene is just uncomfortable.



* TakeThatScrappy: Watching Peter be [[LaserGuidedKarma abused by his sister in the same way he's abused Meg in the past seasons]] is pretty satisfying to watch. Though even then, the "Toxic Shock" scene is just uncomfortable.
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*FridgeBrilliance: With Karen being so mean to him, it's possible that the reason why we've never heard of Karen or seen her is because Peter wanted to forget she existed.
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* {{Asspull}}: Karen has never been mentioned or hinted at before her introduction in this episode. It's never been indicated that Peter had siblings [[note]]Several cutaways have involved him having an EvilTwin, but these are just one-off gags[[/note]] and his childhood flashbacks have always shown him to be an only child (including episodes released ''after'' this one), with the sole exception being a cutaway guy in "Brothers & Sisters" where he mentions having a [[{{Hermaphrodite}} broster]].

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* {{Asspull}}: Karen has never been mentioned or hinted at before her introduction in this episode. It's never been indicated that Peter had siblings [[note]]Several cutaways have involved him having an EvilTwin, but these are just one-off gags[[/note]] and his childhood flashbacks have always shown him to be an only child (including episodes released ''after'' this one), with the sole exception being a cutaway guy gag in "Brothers & Sisters" where he mentions having a [[{{Hermaphrodite}} broster]].
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* {{Asspull}}: Karen has never been mentioned or hinted at before her introduction in this episode. It's never been indicated that Peter had siblings and his childhood flashbacks have always shown him to be an only child, with the exception of a cutaway guy in "Brothers & Sisters" where he mentions having a [[{{Hermaphrodite}} broster]].

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* {{Asspull}}: Karen has never been mentioned or hinted at before her introduction in this episode. It's never been indicated that Peter had siblings [[note]]Several cutaways have involved him having an EvilTwin, but these are just one-off gags[[/note]] and his childhood flashbacks have always shown him to be an only child, child (including episodes released ''after'' this one), with the sole exception of being a cutaway guy in "Brothers & Sisters" where he mentions having a [[{{Hermaphrodite}} broster]].
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: This episode attempts to explain Peter's abuse of Meg by revealing that he was also abused by Karen when growing up. This fell flat for most viewers due to the fact that a) [[AssPull Karen has never been mentioned before this point]], and b) her treatment of Peter ''still'' [[FreudianExcuseIsNoExcuse doesn't justify how he treats his own children]]. The fact that Peter [[StatusQuoIsGod immediately goes back to mistreating Meg]] after this episode puts him and this plotline in an even worse light for many.

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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: This episode attempts to explain Peter's abuse of Meg by revealing that he was also abused by Karen when growing up. This fell flat for most viewers due to the fact that a) [[AssPull Karen has never been mentioned before this point]], and b) her treatment of Peter ''still'' still [[FreudianExcuseIsNoExcuse doesn't justify how he treats his own children]]. The fact that Peter [[StatusQuoIsGod immediately goes back to mistreating Meg]] after this episode puts him and this plotline in an even worse light for many.
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: This episode attempts to explain Peter's abuse of Meg by revealing that he was also abused by Karen when growing up. This fell flat for most viewers due to the fact that [[AssPull Karen has never been mentioned before this point]], and her treatment of Peter still [[FreudianExcuseIsNoExcuse doesn't justify how he treats his own children]]. The fact that Peter [[StatusQuoIsGod immediately goes back to mistreating Meg]] after this episode puts him and this plotline in an even worse light for many.

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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: This episode attempts to explain Peter's abuse of Meg by revealing that he was also abused by Karen when growing up. This fell flat for most viewers due to the fact that a) [[AssPull Karen has never been mentioned before this point]], and b) her treatment of Peter still ''still'' [[FreudianExcuseIsNoExcuse doesn't justify how he treats his own children]]. The fact that Peter [[StatusQuoIsGod immediately goes back to mistreating Meg]] after this episode puts him and this plotline in an even worse light for many.
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* AuthorsSavingThrow: Attempted. The episode reveals that Peter grew up with an older sister who used to beat and bully him, [[FreudianExcuse redefining the motivation]] behind his past abuse towards Meg.

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* AuthorsSavingThrow: Attempted. The episode reveals that Peter grew up with an older sister who used to beat and bully him, [[FreudianExcuse redefining the motivation]] behind his past abuse towards Meg. He is also shown being subjected to [[TakeThatScrappy that humiliating abuse]] from Karen before she [[MoralEventHorizon goes too far]].
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* {{Asspull}}: The fact that Peter has a sister named Karen has never been brought up in any previous episodes, nor hinted. In fact, the episode "Brothers & Sisters" has Peter saying he doesn't have a brother or a sister and instead had a [[{{Hermaphrodite}} broster]].
* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: This episode is meant to have the audience sympathize with Peter and explain where he derived his abuse on Meg from. Unfortunately, this falls short for many audiences when you take in account of the description on AssPull mentioned above and the reveal of his sister came far too late to give Peter any sympathy at this point. In fact, most of the aforementioned fans even speculate that giving Peter a sister out of nowhere was mostly used by the writers to not only put him in the sympathetic limelight, but to even tell the audience that this episode is mostly to excuse his abuse on Meg in the past episodes.

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* {{Asspull}}: The fact that Peter has a sister named Karen has never been brought up mentioned or hinted at before her introduction in any previous episodes, nor hinted. In fact, this episode. It's never been indicated that Peter had siblings and his childhood flashbacks have always shown him to be an only child, with the episode exception of a cutaway guy in "Brothers & Sisters" has Peter saying where he doesn't have a brother or a sister and instead had mentions having a [[{{Hermaphrodite}} broster]].
* AuthorsSavingThrow: Attempted. The episode reveals that Peter grew up with an older sister who used to beat and bully him, [[FreudianExcuse redefining the motivation]] behind his past abuse towards Meg.
* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: This episode is meant attempts to have the audience sympathize with Peter and explain where he derived his Peter's abuse on of Meg from. Unfortunately, this falls short for many audiences by revealing that he was also abused by Karen when you take in account of growing up. This fell flat for most viewers due to the description on AssPull fact that [[AssPull Karen has never been mentioned above before this point]], and the reveal her treatment of his sister came far too late to give Peter any sympathy at this point. In fact, most of the aforementioned fans even speculate still [[FreudianExcuseIsNoExcuse doesn't justify how he treats his own children]]. The fact that giving Peter a sister out of nowhere was mostly used by the writers [[StatusQuoIsGod immediately goes back to not only put him in the sympathetic limelight, but to even tell the audience that mistreating Meg]] after this episode is mostly to excuse his abuse on Meg puts him and this plotline in the past episodes.an even worse light for many.
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* TakeThatScrappy: Watching Peter be [[LaserGuidedKarma abused by his sister in the same way he's abused Meg in the past seasons]] is pretty satisfying to watch. Though even than, the "Toxic Shock" scene is just uncomfortable.

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* TakeThatScrappy: Watching Peter be [[LaserGuidedKarma abused by his sister in the same way he's abused Meg in the past seasons]] is pretty satisfying to watch. Though even than, then, the "Toxic Shock" scene is just uncomfortable.
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* TakeThatScrappy: Watching Peter be [[LaserGuidedKarma abused by his sister in the same way he's abused Meg in the past seasons]] is pretty satisfying to watch.

to:

* TakeThatScrappy: Watching Peter be [[LaserGuidedKarma abused by his sister in the same way he's abused Meg in the past seasons]] is pretty satisfying to watch. Though even than, the "Toxic Shock" scene is just uncomfortable.
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: This episode is meant to have the audience sympathize with Peter and explain where he derived his abuse on Meg from. Unfortunately, this falls short for many audiences when you take in account of the description on AssPull mentioned above and the reveal of his sister came far too late to give Peter any sympathy at this point. In fact, most of the aforementioned fans even speculate that giving Peter a sister out of nowhere was mostly used by the writers to not only put him in the sympathetic limelight, but to even tell the audience that this episode is mostly to excuse his abuse on Meg in the past episodes.
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* {{Asspull}}: The fact that Peter has a sister named Karen has never been brought up in any previous episodes, nor hinted. In fact, the episode "Brothers & Sisters" has Peter saying he doesn't have a brother or a sister and instead had a [[{{Hermaphrodite}} broster]].
* TakeThatScrappy: Watching Peter be [[LaserGuidedKarma abused by his sister in the same way he's abused Meg in the past seasons]] is pretty satisfying to watch.
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