History YMMV / EternalSunshineOfTheSpotlessMind

26th Jun '16 1:25:23 PM lipranzer
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* TearJerker:
** The scene under the covers when Clem talks about her "ugly" doll and Joel begging the Lacuna employees to "let me keep this memory, just one."
** Clem and Joel's first meeting [[spoiler: and Joel's last goodbye to her memory.]]
*** When Joel runs out of the house after telling Clem that he wished he'd stayed the night with her. Clem calls after him and suggests that he stays. The way his voice sounds when he tells her that he can't because the memory is already gone is just heartbroken. You can tell that he'd give anything to just be able to go back inside and spend the night with her.
** Joel changing his mind about having the procedure after reliving a particularly fond memory of Clementine, and helplessly pleading for it to stop.
** When Joel wakes up but is unable to talk or move. He is only able to stare at them with a look of sheer desperation in his eyes as they resort to sedating him.
** The scene with the bird during Joel's childhood. You can tell that is still affects him as an adult.
** Clementine crying after [[spoiler: Joel hears her tape and kicks her out of her car while she helplessly explains that she doesn't know anything about the tape]].
** There's also the reaction of [[spoiler: Howard's wife discovering him and Mary kissing. All she does is sadly say "don't be a monster. Tell the girl" - and Mary discovers that she was previously in love with Howard and pressured into erasing this]].
26th Jun '16 1:21:03 PM lipranzer
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* FridgeBrilliance:
** The first time we see Lacuna, it's a shiny doctors' office. Later, we see a run-down van and cobbled-together equipment. The shiny doctors' office is a false memory implanted by Lacuna; it doesn't exist.
*** Though, strictly speaking, the concept of ''implanting'' the memories was never introduced in the movie so we don't know whether it's possible at all in that universe.
** Clementine's reasons for breaking up with Joel are how he never opened up to her. In trying to keep the memory of her he puts her in all the dark places he never let her into.
** Also, of course Joel wants to keep his memories of Clementine, the procedure erases the most recent memories first. As the movie goes on, Joel probably forgets that he broke up with Clementine at all.
** Joel doesn't remember "Oh My Darling Clementine" because, when trying to save her, Clem was in a memory of Joel's mom singing the song. Clem got erased from that memory, which by extension erased the song.
* FridgeHorror: When Joel initially meets Clementine, he is well aware of the song frequently associated with her name. As a result of the procedure, he has no memory of it, despite its memory only be associated, not originated, with her. If details as insignificant as songs are being lost because of the mind wipe, what else were people losing? There are also a vast myriad of ways this procedure could be used in incredibly unethical ways - implied by Howard's pressuring Mary into having it done after their affair.
** A little one concerning the song: it is stated that Joel's favorite toy during his childhood was a Huckleberry Hound doll. Maybe not horror, but having the memory of your favorite thing as a kid is still sad when you think about it.
** When Joel goes to get his memories erased, look at the things the other patients are holding (the relics of people they're trying to forget).
** After Joel's memory erasure is completed, Lacuna still have absolutely no idea that he tried to resist the procedure. One wonders how many of their clients realized they didn't want to go through with the procedure halfway through but were, like Joel, unable to stop it. Granted, the Lacuna employees react with surprise when Joel goes "off-map" and tries hiding in older memories, but perhaps it had simply never occurred to any of the other unwilling clients to try that.
*** Probably a large number of them if you think about it. The procedure starts with the most recent, and therefore worst memories, and works backwards. At the point he wants to stop the procedure he has fallen in love with her again because he literally can't remember why he had come to resent her so much. Those memories are already gone, leaving the mostly happier memories. Regarding his going off the map, most people don't have much control about what goes on in a dream state. The fact that he can may imply that he is a lucid dreamer.
25th Jun '16 3:54:49 PM Daefaroth
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** Probably a large number of them if you think about it. The procedure starts with the most recent, and therefore worst memories, and works backwards. At the point he wants to stop the procedure he has fallen in love with her again because he literally can't remember why he had come to resent her so much. Those memories are already gone, leaving the mostly happier memories. Regarding his going off the map, most people don't have much control about what goes on in a dream state. The fact that he can may imply that he is a lucid dreamer.

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** *** Probably a large number of them if you think about it. The procedure starts with the most recent, and therefore worst memories, and works backwards. At the point he wants to stop the procedure he has fallen in love with her again because he literally can't remember why he had come to resent her so much. Those memories are already gone, leaving the mostly happier memories. Regarding his going off the map, most people don't have much control about what goes on in a dream state. The fact that he can may imply that he is a lucid dreamer.
25th Jun '16 3:17:38 PM Daefaroth
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** Probably a large number of them if you think about it. The procedure starts with the most recent, and therefore worst memories, and works backwards. At the point he wants to stop the procedure he has fallen in love with her again because he literally can't remember why he had come to resent her so much. Those memories are already gone, leaving the mostly happier memories. Regarding his going off the map, most people don't have much control about what goes on in a dream state. The fact that he can may imply that he is a lucid dreamer.
5th Jun '16 4:02:34 PM ThorfinnRowle
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** The scene under the covers when Clem talks about her "ugly" doll and Joel begging "let me keep this one."

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** The scene under the covers when Clem talks about her "ugly" doll and Joel begging the Lacuna employees to "let me keep this memory, just one."


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*** When Joel runs out of the house after telling Clem that he wished he'd stayed the night with her. Clem calls after him and suggests that he stays. The way his voice sounds when he tells her that he can't because the memory is already gone is just heartbroken. You can tell that he'd give anything to just be able to go back inside and spend the night with her.


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** The scene with the bird during Joel's childhood. You can tell that is still affects him as an adult.
** Clementine crying after [[spoiler: Joel hears her tape and kicks her out of her car while she helplessly explains that she doesn't know anything about the tape]].
23rd Apr '16 4:59:47 PM TinyTedDanson
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* {{Narm}}: When Clem has her freakout [[ChewingTheScenery it gets pretty damn hammy]]:
-->'''Clem''': GET THE FUCK AWAY FROM ME!\\
'''Patrick''': ({{beat}}) Can we talk about it?\\
'''Clem''': NO! GET THE FUCK AWAY!
10th Apr '16 4:38:23 AM benda
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*** Though, strictly speaking, the concept of ''implanting'' the memories was never introduced in the movie so we don't know whether it's possible at all in that universe.
17th Mar '16 4:27:26 PM ThorfinnRowle
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** When Joel wakes up but is unable to talk or move. He is only able to stare at them with a look of sheer desperation in his eyes as they resort to sedating him.
20th Feb '16 6:13:36 PM fearlessnikki
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Did Mark Ruffalo's character know about [[spoiler:Mary and Howard's affair]], or not? It's left ambiguous as he implies he only noticed something different about her personality when she was with him. If he's telling the truth, he's just unlucky that his girlfriend can't be with him as she has to work through her own issues. If he's lying and he did figure out what was going on, he's creepy and manipulative.

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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: AlternativeCharacterInterpretation:
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Did Mark Ruffalo's character know about [[spoiler:Mary and Howard's affair]], or not? It's left ambiguous as he implies he only noticed something different about her personality when she was with him. If he's telling the truth, he's just unlucky that his girlfriend can't be with him as she has to work through her own issues. If he's lying and he did figure out what was going on, he's creepy and manipulative.manipulative.
** How are Joel and Clementine going to cope with [[spoiler: finding the truth out? The original script had a rather cynical ending where an older Clementine would go back to Lacuna intending to erase him - and being told that they have continued to do it over the years. That seems to suggest the two of them will learn nothing from their destructive relationship. However it's shown that Joel does his best to try and keep his memories from being erased when the procedure's actually happening. So perhaps they will give things another try and work on their relationship. Or simply they could decide that the whole ordeal isn't worth it and stay broken up]].



* TearJerker: The scene under the covers when Clem talks about her "ugly" doll and Joel begging "let me keep this one."

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The scene under the covers when Clem talks about her "ugly" doll and Joel begging "let me keep this one."




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** There's also the reaction of [[spoiler: Howard's wife discovering him and Mary kissing. All she does is sadly say "don't be a monster. Tell the girl" - and Mary discovers that she was previously in love with Howard and pressured into erasing this]].
21st Jun '15 1:46:11 PM emeriin
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** I don't see how this would make him 'creepy and manipulative'. Whenever the subject was hinted at he would get visibly withdrawn, his voice would go flat, etc. If he's lying, it could just mean things had screwed up once before and he just wanted a fresh start. Then it starts to repeat itself and he knows there's nothing he can really do about it.



*** Or ''pets''.
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