History YMMV / EternalSunshineOfTheSpotlessMind

19th Jul '17 3:07:43 PM zorander936
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* VisualEffectsofAwesome: Throughout the movie, greatly adding to the surreal, dream-like depiction of memories. Perhaps most notably, in a blink and you'll miss it moment during the memory of Joel and Clementine's final fight, Clementine is storming off ''on one leg''.
25th Jun '17 1:21:48 PM fearlessnikki
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** Did Creator/MarkRuffalo's character know about [[spoiler:Mary and Howard's affair]], or not? It's left ambiguous as he implies he only noticed something different about her personality when she was with him. If he's telling the truth, he's just unlucky that his girlfriend can't be with him as she has to work through her own issues. If he's lying and he did figure out what was going on, he's creepy and manipulative.
*** It seems like he doesn't know about the previous affair, but does sense that Mary has an interest in Howard.

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** Did Creator/MarkRuffalo's character Stan really not know about [[spoiler:Mary and Howard's affair]], or not? It's left ambiguous as he implies he only noticed something different about her personality when she was with him. If he's telling the truth, he's just unlucky that his girlfriend can't be with him as she has to work through her own issues. If he's lying and he did figure out what was going on, he's creepy and manipulative.
*** It seems like he doesn't know about the previous affair, but does sense that
[[spoiler: Mary has an and her interest in Howard.Howard]]? He just says he noticed one moment but never again, so it's unclear if he genuinely thought it was his imagination or he was just in denial.



* AwardSnub: Creator/JimCarrey [[Film/TheTrumanShow once]] [[Film/ManOnTheMoon again]] did not get an Oscar Nomination.

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** While Clementine does have a lot of issues (notably being very impulsive), one has to wonder if Joel is overstating her bad qualities. The break-up is triggered by him saying she fucks people to get them to like her - which she herself later claims is false [[spoiler: when they discover their memories have been erased]]. Perhaps the unhealthy part of the relationship isn't necessarily Clementine's wackiness, but Joel being too judgemental of her. He seems to look down on her, especially when he scoffs at the fact that she might want a baby. Notably when we're shown how they first met, Clementine in fact ''refused'' to be the other woman, saying that Joel had to split up with Naomi if he wanted to be with her.
** Deleted scenes throw Howard's character into a whole new light. [[spoiler: In the extended version of his subplot with Mary, he pressured her into having an abortion. This changes things from a mere workplace obsession on Mary's part to a full blown affair - Howard looking like he essentially {{Mind Rape}}d her just to cover up his own mistakes]].
* AwardSnub: AwardSnub:
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Creator/JimCarrey [[Film/TheTrumanShow once]] [[Film/ManOnTheMoon again]] did not get an Oscar Nomination.



* CrowningMusicOfAwesome: Beck's cover of "Everybody's Got to Learn Sometime", which plays over the ending as Joel and Clem chase each other in the snow.

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** Although Kate Winslet would eventually win for ''Film/TheReader'', many still feel that this is the film she should have been recognised for. She was nominated but the only award she won for her performance was an Empire Award.
* CrowningMusicOfAwesome: CrowningMusicOfAwesome:
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Beck's cover of "Everybody's Got to Learn Sometime", which plays over the ending as Joel and Clem chase each other in the snow.



* FanficFuel: It's become a source of fun for fans to guess how Lacuna's process would work in TheNewTens with social media and smartphones to contend with.
* FunnyAneurysmMoment: Mary's smoking pot and getting drunk in Joel's apartment is PlayedForLaughs. Not so much when Kirsten Dunst had to check herself into rehab for substance abuse and depression.



* MoralEventHorizon: "I kind of stole a pair of her panties, is what."

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* MoralEventHorizon: HilariousInHindsight: Kate Winslet tries to erase her memories but [[spoiler: she ends up remembering after all]]. Maybe Clementine is a {{Literature/Divergent}}.
* JerkassWoobie: Both the lovers in their own special ways:
** Clementine is flaky, impulsive and would probably get very annoying after a while. But the poor girl has had self esteem issues her whole life and struggled with body image in her youth.
** Joel is very judgemental and slightly misogynistic, but he's also deeply lonely and it's implied he was bullied as a child and ignored by his mother.
* MoralEventHorizon:
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"I kind of stole a pair of her panties, is what."


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* ParanoiaFuel: Patrick's behaviour causes some. When getting the procedure done, you invite these Lacuna technicians into your house for the evening and you're unconscious the whole time. They could do absolutely anything or take anything. And if something goes missing from your belongings, you won't know because in your mind they were never here.


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* TheWoobie: Mary once her backstory is revealed. [[spoiler: She had her memories erased of an affair with Howard, and it's implied he pressured her into it. According to the deleted scenes, she got pregnant with his baby and aborted it]].
3rd Mar '17 3:33:25 PM ImperialMajestyXO
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** Did Mark Ruffalo's character know about [[spoiler:Mary and Howard's affair]], or not? It's left ambiguous as he implies he only noticed something different about her personality when she was with him. If he's telling the truth, he's just unlucky that his girlfriend can't be with him as she has to work through her own issues. If he's lying and he did figure out what was going on, he's creepy and manipulative.

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** Did Mark Ruffalo's Creator/MarkRuffalo's character know about [[spoiler:Mary and Howard's affair]], or not? It's left ambiguous as he implies he only noticed something different about her personality when she was with him. If he's telling the truth, he's just unlucky that his girlfriend can't be with him as she has to work through her own issues. If he's lying and he did figure out what was going on, he's creepy and manipulative.
20th Sep '16 6:45:06 AM Pren
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* HarsherInHindsight: In 2015, Jim Carrey's former girlfriend Cathriona White committed suicide with a drug overdose that included propranolol, a memory altering substance which several doctors have specifically likened to the procedure in the film. And a year later, her husband accused Carrey of providing the drugs himself.
7th Sep '16 8:32:19 AM aft85
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***It seems like he doesn't know about the previous affair, but does sense that Mary has an interest in Howard.
26th Jun '16 1:25:23 PM lipranzer
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* TearJerker:
** The scene under the covers when Clem talks about her "ugly" doll and Joel begging the Lacuna employees to "let me keep this memory, just one."
** Clem and Joel's first meeting [[spoiler: and Joel's last goodbye to her memory.]]
*** When Joel runs out of the house after telling Clem that he wished he'd stayed the night with her. Clem calls after him and suggests that he stays. The way his voice sounds when he tells her that he can't because the memory is already gone is just heartbroken. You can tell that he'd give anything to just be able to go back inside and spend the night with her.
** Joel changing his mind about having the procedure after reliving a particularly fond memory of Clementine, and helplessly pleading for it to stop.
** When Joel wakes up but is unable to talk or move. He is only able to stare at them with a look of sheer desperation in his eyes as they resort to sedating him.
** The scene with the bird during Joel's childhood. You can tell that is still affects him as an adult.
** Clementine crying after [[spoiler: Joel hears her tape and kicks her out of her car while she helplessly explains that she doesn't know anything about the tape]].
** There's also the reaction of [[spoiler: Howard's wife discovering him and Mary kissing. All she does is sadly say "don't be a monster. Tell the girl" - and Mary discovers that she was previously in love with Howard and pressured into erasing this]].
26th Jun '16 1:21:03 PM lipranzer
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* FridgeBrilliance:
** The first time we see Lacuna, it's a shiny doctors' office. Later, we see a run-down van and cobbled-together equipment. The shiny doctors' office is a false memory implanted by Lacuna; it doesn't exist.
*** Though, strictly speaking, the concept of ''implanting'' the memories was never introduced in the movie so we don't know whether it's possible at all in that universe.
** Clementine's reasons for breaking up with Joel are how he never opened up to her. In trying to keep the memory of her he puts her in all the dark places he never let her into.
** Also, of course Joel wants to keep his memories of Clementine, the procedure erases the most recent memories first. As the movie goes on, Joel probably forgets that he broke up with Clementine at all.
** Joel doesn't remember "Oh My Darling Clementine" because, when trying to save her, Clem was in a memory of Joel's mom singing the song. Clem got erased from that memory, which by extension erased the song.
* FridgeHorror: When Joel initially meets Clementine, he is well aware of the song frequently associated with her name. As a result of the procedure, he has no memory of it, despite its memory only be associated, not originated, with her. If details as insignificant as songs are being lost because of the mind wipe, what else were people losing? There are also a vast myriad of ways this procedure could be used in incredibly unethical ways - implied by Howard's pressuring Mary into having it done after their affair.
** A little one concerning the song: it is stated that Joel's favorite toy during his childhood was a Huckleberry Hound doll. Maybe not horror, but having the memory of your favorite thing as a kid is still sad when you think about it.
** When Joel goes to get his memories erased, look at the things the other patients are holding (the relics of people they're trying to forget).
** After Joel's memory erasure is completed, Lacuna still have absolutely no idea that he tried to resist the procedure. One wonders how many of their clients realized they didn't want to go through with the procedure halfway through but were, like Joel, unable to stop it. Granted, the Lacuna employees react with surprise when Joel goes "off-map" and tries hiding in older memories, but perhaps it had simply never occurred to any of the other unwilling clients to try that.
*** Probably a large number of them if you think about it. The procedure starts with the most recent, and therefore worst memories, and works backwards. At the point he wants to stop the procedure he has fallen in love with her again because he literally can't remember why he had come to resent her so much. Those memories are already gone, leaving the mostly happier memories. Regarding his going off the map, most people don't have much control about what goes on in a dream state. The fact that he can may imply that he is a lucid dreamer.
25th Jun '16 3:54:49 PM Daefaroth
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** Probably a large number of them if you think about it. The procedure starts with the most recent, and therefore worst memories, and works backwards. At the point he wants to stop the procedure he has fallen in love with her again because he literally can't remember why he had come to resent her so much. Those memories are already gone, leaving the mostly happier memories. Regarding his going off the map, most people don't have much control about what goes on in a dream state. The fact that he can may imply that he is a lucid dreamer.

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** *** Probably a large number of them if you think about it. The procedure starts with the most recent, and therefore worst memories, and works backwards. At the point he wants to stop the procedure he has fallen in love with her again because he literally can't remember why he had come to resent her so much. Those memories are already gone, leaving the mostly happier memories. Regarding his going off the map, most people don't have much control about what goes on in a dream state. The fact that he can may imply that he is a lucid dreamer.
25th Jun '16 3:17:38 PM Daefaroth
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** Probably a large number of them if you think about it. The procedure starts with the most recent, and therefore worst memories, and works backwards. At the point he wants to stop the procedure he has fallen in love with her again because he literally can't remember why he had come to resent her so much. Those memories are already gone, leaving the mostly happier memories. Regarding his going off the map, most people don't have much control about what goes on in a dream state. The fact that he can may imply that he is a lucid dreamer.
5th Jun '16 4:02:34 PM ThorfinnRowle
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** The scene under the covers when Clem talks about her "ugly" doll and Joel begging "let me keep this one."

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** The scene under the covers when Clem talks about her "ugly" doll and Joel begging the Lacuna employees to "let me keep this memory, just one."


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*** When Joel runs out of the house after telling Clem that he wished he'd stayed the night with her. Clem calls after him and suggests that he stays. The way his voice sounds when he tells her that he can't because the memory is already gone is just heartbroken. You can tell that he'd give anything to just be able to go back inside and spend the night with her.


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** The scene with the bird during Joel's childhood. You can tell that is still affects him as an adult.
** Clementine crying after [[spoiler: Joel hears her tape and kicks her out of her car while she helplessly explains that she doesn't know anything about the tape]].
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