History YMMV / EightMM

11th Sep '15 1:20:51 AM Morgenthaler
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* CompleteMonster: We have TheSociopath and {{Sadist}} MalevolentMaskedMan Machine. Machine takes part in snuff films to feed his depraved appetites and he is the one who rapes and murders an innocent woman on camera. When the tape is investigated, Machine is willing to kill more people, and commit more rapes on camera. When he attempts to murder the hero, he even gleefully whispers while strangling him how hard he's getting from the violence. Machine has no FreudianExcuse or reasoning for his action and he serves to show how a monster can come in the most innocuous of guises, particularly when you see under the mask [[spoiler: Machine is a bald, chubby, harmless looking man named George who asks "were you expecting a monster?"]]

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* CompleteMonster: We have TheSociopath and {{Sadist}} MalevolentMaskedMan Machine. Machine takes part in snuff films to feed his depraved appetites and he is the one who rapes and murders an innocent woman on camera. When the tape is investigated, Machine is willing to kill more people, and commit more rapes on camera. When he attempts to murder the hero, he even gleefully whispers while strangling him how hard he's getting from the violence. Machine has no FreudianExcuse or reasoning for his action and he serves to show how [[TheyLookJustLikeEveryoneElse a monster can come in the most innocuous of guises, guises]], particularly when you see under the mask [[spoiler: Machine is a bald, chubby, harmless looking man named George who asks "were you expecting a monster?"]]
21st Jan '14 1:36:24 PM ANewMan
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* CompleteMonster: we have TheSociopath and {{Sadist}} MalevolentMaskedMan Machine. Machine takes part in snuff films to feed his depraved appetites and he is the one who rapes and murders an innocent woman on camera. When the tape is investigated, Machine is willing to kill more people, and commit more rapes on camera. When he attempts to murder the hero, he even gleefully whispers while strangling him how hard he's getting from the violence. Machine has no FreudianExcuse or reasoning for his action and he serves to show how a monster can come in the most innocuous of guises, particularly when you see under the mask [[spoiler: Machine is a bald, chubby, harmless looking man named George who asks "were you expecting a monster?"]]

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* CompleteMonster: we We have TheSociopath and {{Sadist}} MalevolentMaskedMan Machine. Machine takes part in snuff films to feed his depraved appetites and he is the one who rapes and murders an innocent woman on camera. When the tape is investigated, Machine is willing to kill more people, and commit more rapes on camera. When he attempts to murder the hero, he even gleefully whispers while strangling him how hard he's getting from the violence. Machine has no FreudianExcuse or reasoning for his action and he serves to show how a monster can come in the most innocuous of guises, particularly when you see under the mask [[spoiler: Machine is a bald, chubby, harmless looking man named George who asks "were you expecting a monster?"]]
21st Dec '13 5:15:28 PM plcthecd
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* MoralEventHorizon: While [[TheSociopath The Machine]] did it simply [[ForTheEvulz because he wanted to]] is bad enough, let's not let the other villains off the hook either.

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* MoralEventHorizon: While [[TheSociopath The Machine]] did it simply [[ForTheEvulz because he wanted to]] is bad enough, but let's not let get the other villains off the hook either.



** [[spoiler: Daniel Longdale crossed by accepting the money to have the snuff film made.]]

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** [[spoiler: Daniel Longdale crossed it by accepting the money to have the snuff film made.]]
13th Dec '13 5:48:52 PM plcthecd
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* MoralEventHorizon: While [[TheSociopath The Machine]] did it simply [[ForTheEvulz because he wanted to]] is bad enough, let's not get the other villains off the hook either.

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* MoralEventHorizon: While [[TheSociopath The Machine]] did it simply [[ForTheEvulz because he wanted to]] is bad enough, let's not get let the other villains off the hook either.
13th Dec '13 5:48:36 PM plcthecd
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** Eddie Poole crossed it by attracting the victim to die..

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** Eddie Poole crossed it by attracting the victim to die..her death..
9th Dec '13 9:37:04 AM plcthecd
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* MoralEventHorizon: While [[TheSociopath The Machine]] did it simply [[ForTheEvulz because he wanted to]] is bad enough, let's not get the other villains off the hook either.
** Mr. Christian crossed it by having the snuff film made simply because [[ForTheEvulz he has the]] [[ScrewTheRulesIHaveMoney money to do so.]]
** Eddie Poole crossed it by attracting the victim to die..
** Dino Velvet for creating the film.
** [[spoiler: Daniel Longdale crossed by accepting the money to have the snuff film made.]]
21st Sep '13 1:58:07 PM Lightysnake
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* CompleteMonster: Several qualify. In order of depravity from least to greatest, they are as follows:
** '''Mr. Christian'''-- Anybody who contracts someone to find or ''make'' a snuff film for their viewing pleasure "just because they can" is complete scum.
** '''Eddie Poole''' -- Despite admitting that the sight of Mary Anne's murder made him sick, his efforts to cover up his involvement in her death at any cost obliterate the MoralEventHorizon. Moreover, he showed no remorse for deceiving oblivious runaways into believing he would lead them to stardom before ushering them into an industry that mercilessly exploited them.
** Maybe he's even worse than Velvet and Machine.
-->'''Eddie:''' What do you want me to do, start crying like a little baby? "Oh, I'm so sorry I killed the little girl." Well, fuck you, and fuck her! That's it. She's dead. She's been dead a long fucking time and nobody gives a shit but you.
*** There's no doubt that Eddie shows a disturbing LackofEmpathy and remorse. However, he exploits women solely to make a living whereas Velvet and Machine do it primarily for their own amusement.
*** [[CompletelyMissingThePoint And that's somehow better?]]
** '''Daniel Longsdale''' -- a SmugSnake attorney who was the prime mover of Mary Anne Matthews' murder After being unable to find a snuff film on the Black Market for Mr. Christian, he improvises by commissioning Velvet to make one. The reason: a quick profit of $1,000,000.
** '''Dino Velvet''' -- a twisted pornographer who makes films centered around the torture and brutalization of women (a disgusting practice that ultimately leads to a murder)
** ''' "Machine"''' -- a [[AxCrazy sadist psychopath]] who stars in Velvet's films to indulge his sadistic appetites. It is he who murders Mary Anne Matthews in the snuff film organized by Longsdale. By his own admission, he has no FreudianExcuse for his actions and merely partakes in such activities for his own personal amusement.

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* CompleteMonster: Several qualify. In order of depravity from least to greatest, they are as follows:
** '''Mr. Christian'''-- Anybody who contracts someone to find or ''make'' a
we have TheSociopath and {{Sadist}} MalevolentMaskedMan Machine. Machine takes part in snuff film for their viewing pleasure "just because they can" films to feed his depraved appetites and he is complete scum.
** '''Eddie Poole''' -- Despite admitting that
the sight of Mary Anne's one who rapes and murders an innocent woman on camera. When the tape is investigated, Machine is willing to kill more people, and commit more rapes on camera. When he attempts to murder made the hero, he even gleefully whispers while strangling him sick, his efforts to cover up his involvement in her death at any cost obliterate the MoralEventHorizon. Moreover, he showed no remorse for deceiving oblivious runaways into believing he would lead them to stardom before ushering them into an industry that mercilessly exploited them.
** Maybe
how hard he's even worse than Velvet and Machine.
-->'''Eddie:''' What do you want me to do, start crying like a little baby? "Oh, I'm so sorry I killed
getting from the little girl." Well, fuck you, and fuck her! That's it. She's dead. She's been dead a long fucking time and nobody gives a shit but you.
*** There's no doubt that Eddie shows a disturbing LackofEmpathy and remorse. However, he exploits women solely to make a living whereas Velvet and
violence. Machine do it primarily for their own amusement.
*** [[CompletelyMissingThePoint And that's somehow better?]]
** '''Daniel Longsdale''' -- a SmugSnake attorney who was the prime mover of Mary Anne Matthews' murder After being unable to find a snuff film on the Black Market for Mr. Christian, he improvises by commissioning Velvet to make one. The reason: a quick profit of $1,000,000.
** '''Dino Velvet''' -- a twisted pornographer who makes films centered around the torture and brutalization of women (a disgusting practice that ultimately leads to a murder)
** ''' "Machine"''' -- a [[AxCrazy sadist psychopath]] who stars in Velvet's films to indulge his sadistic appetites. It is he who murders Mary Anne Matthews in the snuff film organized by Longsdale. By his own admission, he
has no FreudianExcuse or reasoning for his actions action and merely partakes he serves to show how a monster can come in such activities for his own personal amusement.the most innocuous of guises, particularly when you see under the mask [[spoiler: Machine is a bald, chubby, harmless looking man named George who asks "were you expecting a monster?"]]
8th May '13 5:21:19 PM tsstevens
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* NightmareFuel: Snuff movies, bondage gores, sadistic killers...
18th Jan '13 10:55:26 PM FegelCineplex
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* MemeticMutation: The scene where Welles watches the snuff film has been used in some hilarious YouTube videos where Nic Cage watches his own scenes, mostly from ''Film/TheWickerMan''.
15th Dec '12 6:52:49 AM FegelCineplex
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* HeyItsThatGuy: Several.
** Eddie Poole is played by [[Series/TheSopranos Tony Soprano]].
** Dino Velvet has played several recognizable cameo [[{{Fargo}} roles]] [[TheBigLebowski in]] [[MinorityReport many]] [[{{Armageddon}} high-profile]] [[Film/{{Constantine}} films]].
** Max California is played by [[WalkTheLine Johnny Cash]].
** [[TheSilenceOfTheLambs Dr Chilton]] is Daniel Longdale.
** Machine, hard to believe, is actually [[spoiler: TheWire Frank Sobotka]].
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