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* CompleteMonster: [[WouldHurtAChild James Hendricks]], a wealthy ram who lived in the eponymous town of Echo in the 1910s, also happened to be a pedophilic SerialKiller. When the townsfolk found out about the childrens' corpses, James scapegoated his own lover John--who, being a desert fox, [[FantasticRacism was analogous to a Native American]]--having him lynched. Flashforward one century later, and James's ghost possesses his descendent Carl in the route where he is the LoveInterest, altering his personality and making him have a relationship with [[PlayerCharacter Chase Hunter]]--possibly against Carl's own will--for the express purpose of manipulating him and helping him defeat John. Eventually he settles on sending the gang to a spirit dimension where he intends to kill them, and is only unable to do so thanks to John's interference and our heroes finding out the whole story, banishing James's spirit in the proccess. James may also be the antagonist of the T.J. route, where a spiritual entity possesses Chase and makes him possessive of T.J. and violent, all to put him in a situation where he'd be forced to be the spirit's pawn and kill Flynn for seemingly no reason.
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* CompleteMonster: [[WouldHurtAChild Carl's route has [[spoiler:[[WouldHurtAChild James Hendricks]], a wealthy ram who lived in the eponymous town of Echo in the 1910s, also happened to be a pedophilic SerialKiller. When the townsfolk found out about the childrens' corpses, James scapegoated his own lover John--who, being a desert fox, [[FantasticRacism was analogous to a Native American]]--having him lynched. Flashforward Flash forward one century later, and James's ghost possesses his descendent Carl in the route where he is the LoveInterest, descendant Carl, altering his personality and making him have instigating a relationship with [[PlayerCharacter Chase Hunter]]--possibly Chase]]--possibly against Carl's own will--for the express purpose of manipulating him and into helping him defeat John. Eventually he settles on sending the gang to a spirit dimension where he intends to kill them, John and is only unable to do so thanks to John's interference and our heroes finding out the whole story, banishing James's spirit cover up his own crimes in the proccess. James may also be process. As the antagonist bad ending of Carl's route shows, he's even willing to murder his descendant's friends and burn the T.J. route, where a spiritual entity possesses Chase and makes him possessive of T.J. and violent, all family mansion to put him in a situation where he'd be forced to be the spirit's pawn and kill Flynn ground for seemingly no reason.these ends, leaving Carl a SoullessShell even after his soul is torn from the latter's body]].
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** Going outside just the one character, much of [[spoiler: the relationship between Leo and Chase ]] is bad enough in its specific route, but can be interpreted as a little more grey when cluttered up with the hysteria going on, as well as them being so young originally. Add to that some of the context of the other character routes and their original problems get cemented further, and you can easily start to doubt that [[spoiler: Chase even really wanted to rekindle things]] at the start of the story. Add Route 65's veiled storyline with [[spoiler: Leo thinking the Chase caught him in the middle of a recorded hookup]], only to do his damnedest to cover it up, as well as his thinly veiled lie that [[spoiler: he saw Chase's advert while looking for LAWN MOWERS ]] when he was clearly doing the same exact things, right as [[spoiler: he's looking to start a relationship ]] really just puts a dark cloud over everything.
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* AudienceAlienatingPremise: An example that runs both ways; the usual target audience for furry visual novels may find themselves turned off by the novel's depressing tone and focus on a horror atmosphere over a romantic one, while those with an interest in horror media but none in the furry fandom aspects will likely lose interest for having ''too much'' in the way of furry romance.
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* CompleteMonster: Carl's route has [[spoiler: [[WouldHurtAChild James Hendricks]] ]], a pedophile SerialKiller from the town's history a hundred years ago, who is also responsible for [[spoiler: scapegoating his lover John (who, along with the children James had killed, was a Fennec Fox [[FantasticRacism analogous to a Native American]]) and allowed John to be lynched for his crimes while using his [[ScrewTheRulesIHaveMoney sizeable fortune]] [[KarmaHoudini to escape punishment]] ]]. Flash-forward one century later and his ghost possesses his descendant, altering their personality and [[spoiler: entering Carl into a relationship with [[PlayerCharacter Chase]] -likely as not against Carl's own will-]] for the express purpose of manipulating the group into helping him cover up his own crimes, even willing to force his descendant to kill them to do so.
** The end of TJ's route reveals the monstrous visions of himself Chase has been seeing in the mirror are actually representative of [[spoiler: another spiritual entity, seperate to the one that's already been in his head for years, that has been influencing him into becoming violently possessive of TJ]], all with the intent to put him in a situation where he'd be forced to [[spoiler: kill Flynn to "protect" TJ, [[HistoryRepeats under the same circumstances that led to him killing Sydney in the past]], and as a result prevent his own DarkSecret from getting out]]. No reason is given for why other than the implication that [[spoiler: the spirit is an entity born of [[UnholyGround the town itself]] and that, according to what it tells Chase, the town ''"needs secrets"'']].
** Leo's route has Brian, a creepy PsychopathicManchild whose EstablishingCharacterMoment is beating a tied-up Clint with a tree branch for sexual kicks, and who eventually turns out to be [[spoiler: a DepravedHomosexual SerialKiller who gets off on [[EroticAsphyxiation choking people to death]] (and likely would have done the same to Chase had his partner in crime Duke not explicitly ordered him not to)]]. Even his most sympathetic moment, where we learn that [[FreudianExcuse he's as much a victim of the town's inherent evil as anyone]], has him admit to [[spoiler: [[ForcedOutOfTheCloset deliberately outting]] his "fuckbuddy" as a teenager for no reason other than [[EvilIsPetty just because he didn't really like the guy that much]], resulting in the guy being ostracized by the town as a result and more than likely ruining his life]].
** The end of TJ's route reveals the monstrous visions of himself Chase has been seeing in the mirror are actually representative of [[spoiler: another spiritual entity, seperate to the one that's already been in his head for years, that has been influencing him into becoming violently possessive of TJ]], all with the intent to put him in a situation where he'd be forced to [[spoiler: kill Flynn to "protect" TJ, [[HistoryRepeats under the same circumstances that led to him killing Sydney in the past]], and as a result prevent his own DarkSecret from getting out]]. No reason is given for why other than the implication that [[spoiler: the spirit is an entity born of [[UnholyGround the town itself]] and that, according to what it tells Chase, the town ''"needs secrets"'']].
** Leo's route has Brian, a creepy PsychopathicManchild whose EstablishingCharacterMoment is beating a tied-up Clint with a tree branch for sexual kicks, and who eventually turns out to be [[spoiler: a DepravedHomosexual SerialKiller who gets off on [[EroticAsphyxiation choking people to death]] (and likely would have done the same to Chase had his partner in crime Duke not explicitly ordered him not to)]]. Even his most sympathetic moment, where we learn that [[FreudianExcuse he's as much a victim of the town's inherent evil as anyone]], has him admit to [[spoiler: [[ForcedOutOfTheCloset deliberately outting]] his "fuckbuddy" as a teenager for no reason other than [[EvilIsPetty just because he didn't really like the guy that much]], resulting in the guy being ostracized by the town as a result and more than likely ruining his life]].
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* CompleteMonster: Carl's route has [[spoiler: [[WouldHurtAChild James Hendricks]] ]], Hendricks]], a pedophile SerialKiller from wealthy ram who lived in the town's history a hundred years ago, who is eponymous town of Echo in the 1910s, also responsible for [[spoiler: scapegoating happened to be a pedophilic SerialKiller. When the townsfolk found out about the childrens' corpses, James scapegoated his own lover John (who, along with the children James had killed, was John--who, being a Fennec Fox desert fox, [[FantasticRacism was analogous to a Native American]]) and allowed John to be lynched for his crimes while using his [[ScrewTheRulesIHaveMoney sizeable fortune]] [[KarmaHoudini to escape punishment]] ]]. Flash-forward American]]--having him lynched. Flashforward one century later later, and his James's ghost possesses his descendant, descendent Carl in the route where he is the LoveInterest, altering their his personality and [[spoiler: entering Carl into making him have a relationship with [[PlayerCharacter Chase]] -likely as not Chase Hunter]]--possibly against Carl's own will-]] for will--for the express purpose of manipulating the group into him and helping him cover up his own crimes, even willing defeat John. Eventually he settles on sending the gang to force his descendant a spirit dimension where he intends to kill them them, and is only unable to do so.
** The end of TJ's route revealsso thanks to John's interference and our heroes finding out the monstrous visions of himself Chase has been seeing whole story, banishing James's spirit in the mirror are actually representative proccess. James may also be the antagonist of [[spoiler: another the T.J. route, where a spiritual entity, seperate to the one that's already been in his head for years, that has been influencing entity possesses Chase and makes him into becoming violently possessive of TJ]], T.J. and violent, all with the intent to put him in a situation where he'd be forced to [[spoiler: be the spirit's pawn and kill Flynn to "protect" TJ, [[HistoryRepeats under the same circumstances that led to him killing Sydney in the past]], and as a result prevent his own DarkSecret from getting out]]. No reason is given for why other than the implication that [[spoiler: the spirit is an entity born of [[UnholyGround the town itself]] and that, according to what it tells Chase, the town ''"needs secrets"'']].
** Leo's route has Brian, a creepy PsychopathicManchild whose EstablishingCharacterMoment is beating a tied-up Clint with a tree branch for sexual kicks, and who eventually turns out to be [[spoiler: a DepravedHomosexual SerialKiller who gets off on [[EroticAsphyxiation choking people to death]] (and likely would have done the same to Chase had his partner in crime Duke not explicitly ordered him not to)]]. Even his most sympathetic moment, where we learn that [[FreudianExcuse he's as much a victim of the town's inherent evil as anyone]], has him admit to [[spoiler: [[ForcedOutOfTheCloset deliberately outting]] his "fuckbuddy" as a teenager forseemingly no reason other than [[EvilIsPetty just because he didn't really like the guy that much]], resulting in the guy being ostracized by the town as a result and more than likely ruining his life]].reason.
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** Leo's route has Brian, a creepy PsychopathicManchild whose EstablishingCharacterMoment is beating a tied-up Clint with a tree branch for sexual kicks, and who eventually turns out to be [[spoiler: a DepravedHomosexual SerialKiller who gets off on [[EroticAsphyxiation choking people to death]] (and likely would have done the same to Chase had his partner in crime Duke not explicitly ordered him not to)]]. Even his most sympathetic moment, where we learn that [[FreudianExcuse he's as much a victim of the town's inherent evil as anyone]], has him admit to [[spoiler: [[ForcedOutOfTheCloset deliberately outting]] his "fuckbuddy" as a teenager for
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* HarsherInHindsight: Pretty much anything involving [[spoiler: Sydney's death]] becomes this after the end of TJ's route, where it's revealed that [[spoiler: Chase himself was the one responsible]]; not to mention after the scenes in Flynn's route that show flashbacks of [[spoiler: Sydney's [[AbusiveParents terrible home life]]]] from his perspective.
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* HarsherInHindsight: Pretty much anything involving [[spoiler: Sydney's death]] becomes this after the end of TJ's route, where it's revealed that [[spoiler: Chase himself was the one responsible]]; not to mention how some of the [[TheFriendNobodyLikes more negative]] things we hear about him come across after the scenes in Flynn's route that show flashbacks of [[spoiler: Sydney's [[AbusiveParents terrible home life]]]] from his perspective.
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* AngstAversion: Compared to visual novels with a lighter tone, Echo's tendency towards BittersweetEnding and DidNotGetTheGuy can turn off those expecting a more typically romance-centred VN experience; especially so for TJ's route, which outright ends with the reveal that [[spoiler: [[TheKillerInMe Chase was the one who killed Sydney years ago]]]], and subsequently not only [[spoiler: murders Flynn under the same circumstances through the manipulations of a mysterious entity]] but [[KarmaHoudini gets away with it]] before driving off into the sunset [[spoiler: with TJ agreeing to help him report it as justified self-defence and what little remaining camaraderie their friendship group had left [[TheFellowshipHasEnded now completely shattered]]]].
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* AngstAversion: Compared to visual novels with a lighter tone, Echo's tendency towards BittersweetEnding and DidNotGetTheGuy can turn off those expecting a more typically romance-centred VN experience; especially so for TJ's route, which outright ends with the reveal that [[spoiler: [[TheKillerInMe Chase was the one who killed Sydney years ago]]]], and subsequently not only [[spoiler: murders Flynn under the same circumstances through due to the manipulations of a mysterious outside entity]] but [[KarmaHoudini gets away with it]] before driving off into the sunset [[spoiler: with TJ agreeing to help him report it as justified self-defence and what little remaining camaraderie their friendship group had left [[TheFellowshipHasEnded now completely shattered]]]].
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* AngstAversion: Compared to visual novels with a lighter tone, Echo's tendency towards BittersweetEnding and DidNotGetTheGuy can turn off those expecting a more typically romance-centred VN experience; especially so for TJ's route, which outright ends with the reveal that [[spoiler: [[TheKillerInMe Chase was the one who killed Sydney years ago]]]], and subsequently not only [[spoiler: murders Flynn under the same circumstances through the manipulations of a mysterious entity]] but [[KarmaHoudini gets away with it]] before driving off into the sunset [[spoiler: with TJ agreeing to help him report it as justified self-defence and what little remaining camaraderie the group had left now completely shattered]].
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* AngstAversion: Compared to visual novels with a lighter tone, Echo's tendency towards BittersweetEnding and DidNotGetTheGuy can turn off those expecting a more typically romance-centred VN experience; especially so for TJ's route, which outright ends with the reveal that [[spoiler: [[TheKillerInMe Chase was the one who killed Sydney years ago]]]], and subsequently not only [[spoiler: murders Flynn under the same circumstances through the manipulations of a mysterious entity]] but [[KarmaHoudini gets away with it]] before driving off into the sunset [[spoiler: with TJ agreeing to help him report it as justified self-defence and what little remaining camaraderie the their friendship group had left [[TheFellowshipHasEnded now completely shattered]].shattered]]]].
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* AngstAversion: Compared to visual novels with a lighter tone, Echo's tendency towards BittersweetEnding and DidNotGetTheGuy can turn off those expecting a more typically romance-centred VN experience; especially so for TJ's route, which outright ends with the reveal that [[spoiler: [[TheKillerInMe Chase was the one who killed Sydney years ago]]]], and subsequently not only [[spoiler: murders Flynn under the same circumstances through the manipulations of a mysterious entity]] but [[KarmaHoudini gets away with it]] before driving off into the sunset [[spoiler: with TJ agreeing to help him report it as justified self-defence and what little remaining camaraderie the group had left now completely shattered]].
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* {{Squick}}: The gruesome noise used whenever a character breaks their ankle [[AgonyOfTheFeet (which happens fairly often)]], along with the reveal late into the best end for Carl's route that Chase almost [[spoiler: [[IAteWhat drank from a cup filled with urine]] while still under the hallucination]].
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* HarsherInHindsight: Pretty much anything involving [[spoiler: Sydney's death]] becomes this after the end of TJ's route, where it's revealed that [[spoiler: Chase himself was the one responsible]]; not to mention after the scenes in Flynn's route that show [[spoiler: flashbacks of [[spoiler: Sydney's [[AbusiveParents terrible home life]]]] from his perspective.
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** Another example involving [[spoiler: Sydney]] is the fact that Chase's internal monologue during a flashback near the end of TJ's route cites his belief that [[spoiler: Sydney killed his own father deliberately]] as part of the reason for [[spoiler: killing Sydney to protect TJ from him]]. Except that, as it turns out in Flynn's route, [[spoiler: while Sydney ''was'' present at the scene where his father was killed, it was because he was trying to ''stop'' him from [[AteHisGun shooting himself]] and at most pulled the trigger [[AccidentalMurder by accident]] in the resulting struggle]] meaning that Chase's interpretation of events was [[PoorCommunicationKills completely off]].
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** Another example involving [[spoiler: Sydney]] is the fact that Chase's internal monologue during a flashback near the end of TJ's route cites his belief that [[spoiler: Sydney killed his own father deliberately]] as part of the reason for [[spoiler: killing Sydney to protect TJ from him]]. Except that, as it turns out in Flynn's route, [[spoiler: while Sydney ''was'' present at the scene where his father was killed, it was because he was trying to ''stop'' him from [[AteHisGun shooting himself]] and at most pulled the trigger [[AccidentalMurder by accident]] in the resulting struggle]] struggle,]] meaning that Chase's interpretation of events was [[PoorCommunicationKills completely off]].
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* HarsherInHindsight: Pretty much anything involving [[spoiler: Sydney's death]] becomes this after the end of TJ's route, where it's revealed that [[spoiler: Chase himself was the one responsible]]; not to mention after the scenes in Flynn's route that show [[spoiler: flashbacks of Sydney's [[AbusiveParents terrible home life]]]] from his perspective.
** Another example involving [[spoiler: Sydney]] is the fact that Chase's internal monologue during a flashback near the end of TJ's route cites his belief that [[spoiler: Sydney killed his own father deliberately]] as part of the reason for [[spoiler: killing Sydney to protect TJ from him]]. Except that, as it turns out in Flynn's route, [[spoiler: while Sydney ''was'' present at the scene where his father was killed, it was because he was trying to ''stop'' him from [[AteHisGun shooting himself]] and at most pulled the trigger [[AccidentalMurder by accident]] in the resulting struggle]] meaning that Chase's interpretation of events was [[PoorCommunicationKills completely off]].
** Another example involving [[spoiler: Sydney]] is the fact that Chase's internal monologue during a flashback near the end of TJ's route cites his belief that [[spoiler: Sydney killed his own father deliberately]] as part of the reason for [[spoiler: killing Sydney to protect TJ from him]]. Except that, as it turns out in Flynn's route, [[spoiler: while Sydney ''was'' present at the scene where his father was killed, it was because he was trying to ''stop'' him from [[AteHisGun shooting himself]] and at most pulled the trigger [[AccidentalMurder by accident]] in the resulting struggle]] meaning that Chase's interpretation of events was [[PoorCommunicationKills completely off]].
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* HilariousInHindsight: Once scene early in the prologue features the characters discussing the merits of an in-universe movie adaptation of a [[ShowWithinAShow suphero comic series called "Lion's Brigade"]] named [[Film/AvengersEndGame "End Game"]]. Apparently Carl dislikes it for [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks not properly following the source material]].
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* HilariousInHindsight: Once scene early in the prologue features the characters discussing the merits of an in-universe movie adaptation of a [[ShowWithinAShow suphero comic series called "Lion's Brigade"]] named [[Film/AvengersEndGame "End Game"]].Game"]][[note]]bear in mind the scene itself was written back in 2015[[/note]]. Apparently Carl dislikes it for [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks not properly following the source material]].
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* AudienceAlienatingPremise: An example that runs both ways; the usual target audience for furry visual novels may find themselves turned off by the novel's depressing tone and focus on a horror atmosphere over a romantic one, while those with an interest in horror media but none in the furry fandom aspects will likely lose interest for having ''too much'' in the way of furry romance.
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** Leo's route has Brian, a creepy PsychopathicManchild whose EstablishingCharacterMoment is beating a tied-up Clint with a tree branch for sexual kicks, and who eventually turns out to be [[spoiler: a DepravedHomosexual SerialKiller who gets off on [[EroticAsphyxiation choking people to death]] (and likely would have done the same to Chase had his partner in crime Duke not explicitly ordered him not to)]]. Even his most sympathetic moment, where we learn that [[FreudianExcuse he's as much a victim of the town's inherent evil as anyone]], has him admit to [[spoiler: [[ForcedOutOfTheCloset deliberately outting]] his "fuckbuddy" as a teenager for no reason other than [[EvilIsPetty just because he didn't really like the guy that much]], resulting in the guy being ostracized by the town as a result and more than likely ruining his life]].
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** Leo's route has Brian, a creepy PsychopathicManchild whose EstablishingCharacterMoment is beating a tied-up Clint with a tree branch for sexual kicks, and who eventually turns out to be [[spoiler: a DepravedHomosexual SerialKiller who gets off on [[EroticAsphyxiation choking people to death]] (and likely would have done the same to Chase had his partner in crime Duke not explicitly ordered him not to)]]. Even his most sympathetic moment, where we learn that [[FreudianExcuse he's as much a victim of the town's inherent evil as anyone]], has him admit to [[spoiler: [[ForcedOutOfTheCloset deliberately outting]] his "fuckbuddy" as a teenager for no reason other than [[EvilIsPetty just because he didn't really like the guy that much]], resulting in the guy being ostracized by the town as a result and more than likely ruining his life]].life]].
* HilariousInHindsight: Once scene early in the prologue features the characters discussing the merits of an in-universe movie adaptation of a [[ShowWithinAShow suphero comic series called "Lion's Brigade"]] named [[Film/AvengersEndGame "End Game"]]. Apparently Carl dislikes it for [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks not properly following the source material]].
* TheWoobie: The entire cast has Woobie points in some way, but special mention goes to TJ for being considered something a Woobie in-universe by the others (except for Flynn, who resents the special treatment he gets and its role in preventing him from learning the truth about what happened to Sydney).
* HilariousInHindsight: Once scene early in the prologue features the characters discussing the merits of an in-universe movie adaptation of a [[ShowWithinAShow suphero comic series called "Lion's Brigade"]] named [[Film/AvengersEndGame "End Game"]]. Apparently Carl dislikes it for [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks not properly following the source material]].
* TheWoobie: The entire cast has Woobie points in some way, but special mention goes to TJ for being considered something a Woobie in-universe by the others (except for Flynn, who resents the special treatment he gets and its role in preventing him from learning the truth about what happened to Sydney).
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** The end of TJ's route reveals the monstrous visions of himself Chase has been seeing in the mirror are actually representative of [[spoiler: another spiritual entity that has been influencing him into becoming violently possessive of TJ]], all with the intent to put him in a situation where he'd be forced to [[spoiler: kill Flynn to "protect" TJ, [[HistoryRepeats under the same circumstances that led to him killing Sydney in the past]], and as a result prevent his own DarkSecret from getting out]]. No reason is given for why other than the implication that [[spoiler: the spirit is an entity born of [[UnholyGround the town itself]] and that, according to what it tells Chase, the town ''"needs secrets"'']].
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** The end of TJ's route reveals the monstrous visions of himself Chase has been seeing in the mirror are actually representative of [[spoiler: another spiritual entity entity, seperate to the one that's already been in his head for years, that has been influencing him into becoming violently possessive of TJ]], all with the intent to put him in a situation where he'd be forced to [[spoiler: kill Flynn to "protect" TJ, [[HistoryRepeats under the same circumstances that led to him killing Sydney in the past]], and as a result prevent his own DarkSecret from getting out]]. No reason is given for why other than the implication that [[spoiler: the spirit is an entity born of [[UnholyGround the town itself]] and that, according to what it tells Chase, the town ''"needs secrets"'']].
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** The end of TJ's route reveals the monstrous visions of himself Chase has been seeing in the mirror are actually representative of [[spoiler: another spiritual entity that has been influencing him into becoming violently possessive of TJ]], all with the intent to put him in a situation where he'd be forced to [[spoiler: kill Flynn to "protect" TJ, [[HistoryRepeats under the same circumstances that led to him killing Sydney in the past]], and as a result prevent his own DarkSecret from getting out]]. No reason is given for why other than the implication that [[spoiler: the spirit is an entity born of [[UnholyGround the town itself]] and that, according to what it tells Chase, ''"THIS TOWN NEEDS SECRETS"'']].
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** The end of TJ's route reveals the monstrous visions of himself Chase has been seeing in the mirror are actually representative of [[spoiler: another spiritual entity that has been influencing him into becoming violently possessive of TJ]], all with the intent to put him in a situation where he'd be forced to [[spoiler: kill Flynn to "protect" TJ, [[HistoryRepeats under the same circumstances that led to him killing Sydney in the past]], and as a result prevent his own DarkSecret from getting out]]. No reason is given for why other than the implication that [[spoiler: the spirit is an entity born of [[UnholyGround the town itself]] and that, according to what it tells Chase, ''"THIS TOWN NEEDS SECRETS"'']].the town ''"needs secrets"'']].
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* The end of TJ's route reveals the monstrous visions of himself Chase has been seeing in the mirror are actually representative of [[spoiler: another spiritual entity that has been influencing him into becoming violently possessive of TJ]], all with the intent to put him in a situation where he'd be forced to [[spoiler: kill Flynn to "protect" TJ, [[HistoryRepeats under the same circumstances that led to him killing Sydney in the past]], and as a result prevent his own DarkSecret from getting out]]. No reason is given for why other than the implication that [[spoiler: the spirit is an entity born of [[UnholyGround the town itself]] and that, according to what it tells Chase, ''"THIS TOWN NEEDS SECRETS"'']].
* Leo's route has Brian, a creepy PsychopathicManchild whose EstablishingCharacterMoment is beating a tied-up Clint with a tree branch for sexual kicks, and who eventually turns out to be [[spoiler: a DepravedHomosexual SerialKiller who gets off on [[EroticAsphyxiation choking people to death]] (and likely would have done the same to Chase had his partner in crime Duke not explicitly ordered him not to)]]. Even his most sympathetic moment, where we learn that [[FreudianExcuse he's as much a victim of the town's inherent evil as anyone]], has him admit to [[spoiler: [[ForcedOutOfTheCloset deliberately outting]] his "fuckbuddy" as a teenager for no reason other than [[EvilIsPetty just because he didn't really like the guy that much]], resulting in the guy being ostracized by the town as a result and more than likely ruining his life]].
* Leo's route has Brian, a creepy PsychopathicManchild whose EstablishingCharacterMoment is beating a tied-up Clint with a tree branch for sexual kicks, and who eventually turns out to be [[spoiler: a DepravedHomosexual SerialKiller who gets off on [[EroticAsphyxiation choking people to death]] (and likely would have done the same to Chase had his partner in crime Duke not explicitly ordered him not to)]]. Even his most sympathetic moment, where we learn that [[FreudianExcuse he's as much a victim of the town's inherent evil as anyone]], has him admit to [[spoiler: [[ForcedOutOfTheCloset deliberately outting]] his "fuckbuddy" as a teenager for no reason other than [[EvilIsPetty just because he didn't really like the guy that much]], resulting in the guy being ostracized by the town as a result and more than likely ruining his life]].
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* CompleteMonster: Carl's route has [[spoiler: [[WouldHurtAChild James Hendricks]] ]], a pedophile SerialKiller from the town's history a hundred years ago, who is also responsible for [[spoiler: scapegoating his lover John (who, along with the children James had killed, was a Fennec Fox [[FantasticRacism analogous to a Native American]]) and allowed John to be lynched for his crimes while using his [[ScrewTheRulesIHaveMoney sizeable fortune]] [[KarmaHoudini to escape punishment]] ]]. Flash-forward one century later and his ghost possesses his descendant, altering their personality and [[spoiler: entering Carl into a relationship with [[PlayerCharacter Chase]] -likely as not against Carl's own will-]] for the express purpose of manipulating the group into helping him cover up his own crimes, even willing to force his descendant kill them to do so.
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* CompleteMonster: Carl's route has [[spoiler: [[WouldHurtAChild James Hendricks]] ]], a pedophile SerialKiller from the town's history a hundred years ago, who is also responsible for [[spoiler: scapegoating his lover John (who, along with the children James had killed, was a Fennec Fox [[FantasticRacism analogous to a Native American]]) and allowed John to be lynched for his crimes while using his [[ScrewTheRulesIHaveMoney sizeable fortune]] [[KarmaHoudini to escape punishment]] ]]. Flash-forward one century later and his ghost possesses his descendant, altering their personality and [[spoiler: entering Carl into a relationship with [[PlayerCharacter Chase]] -likely as not against Carl's own will-]] for the express purpose of manipulating the group into helping him cover up his own crimes, even willing to force his descendant to kill them to do so.
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* CompleteMonster: Carl's route has [[spoiler: [[WouldHurtAChild James Hendricks]] ]], a pedophile SerialKiller from the town's history a hundred years ago, who is also responsible for [[spoiler: scapegoating his lover John (who, along with the children James had killed, was a Fennec Fox [[FantasticRacism analogous to a Native American]]) and allowed John to be lynched for his crimes while using his [[screwtherulesihavemoney sizeable fortune]] [[KarmaHoudini to escape punishment]] ]]. Flash-forward one century later and his ghost possesses his descendant, altering their personality and [[spoiler: entering Carl into a relationship with [[PlayerCharacter Chase]] -likely as not against Carl's own will-]] for the express purpose of manipulating the group into helping him cover up his own crimes, even willing to force his descendant kill them to do so.
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* CompleteMonster: Carl's route has [[spoiler: [[WouldHurtAChild James Hendricks]] ]], a pedophile SerialKiller from the town's history a hundred years ago, who is also responsible for [[spoiler: scapegoating his lover John (who, along with the children James had killed, was a Fennec Fox [[FantasticRacism analogous to a Native American]]) and allowed John to be lynched for his crimes while using his [[screwtherulesihavemoney [[ScrewTheRulesIHaveMoney sizeable fortune]] [[KarmaHoudini to escape punishment]] ]]. Flash-forward one century later and his ghost possesses his descendant, altering their personality and [[spoiler: entering Carl into a relationship with [[PlayerCharacter Chase]] -likely as not against Carl's own will-]] for the express purpose of manipulating the group into helping him cover up his own crimes, even willing to force his descendant kill them to do so.
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* CompleteMonster: Carl's route has [[spoiler: [[WouldHurtAChild James Hendricks]] ]], a pedophile SerialKiller from the town's history a hundred years ago, who is also responsible for [[spoiler: scapegoating his lover John (who, along with the children James had killed, was a Fennec Fox [[FantasticRacism analogous to a Native American]]) and allowed John to be lynched for his crimes while using his sizeable fortune to escape punishment]]. Flash-forward one century later and his ghost possesses his descendant, altering their personality and [[spoiler: entering Carl into a relationship with [[PlayerCharacter Chase]] -likely as not against Carl's own will-]] for the express purpose of manipulating the group into helping him cover up his own crimes, even willing to force his descendant kill them to do so.
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* CompleteMonster: Carl's route has [[spoiler: [[WouldHurtAChild James Hendricks]] ]], a pedophile SerialKiller from the town's history a hundred years ago, who is also responsible for [[spoiler: scapegoating his lover John (who, along with the children James had killed, was a Fennec Fox [[FantasticRacism analogous to a Native American]]) and allowed John to be lynched for his crimes while using his [[screwtherulesihavemoney sizeable fortune fortune]] [[KarmaHoudini to escape punishment]].punishment]] ]]. Flash-forward one century later and his ghost possesses his descendant, altering their personality and [[spoiler: entering Carl into a relationship with [[PlayerCharacter Chase]] -likely as not against Carl's own will-]] for the express purpose of manipulating the group into helping him cover up his own crimes, even willing to force his descendant kill them to do so.
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* Leo's route has Brian, a creepy PsychopathicManchild whose EstablishingCharacterMoment is beating a tied-up Clint with a tree branch for sexual kicks, and who eventually turns out to be [[spoiler: a DepravedHomosexual SerialKiller who gets off on [[EroticAsphyxiation choking people to death]] (and likely would have done the same to Chase had his partner in crime Duke not explicitly ordered him not to)]]. Even his most sympathetic moment, where we learn that [[FreudianExcuse he's as much a victim of the town's inherent evil as anyone]], has him admit to [[spoiler: [[ForcedOutOfTheCloset deliberately outting]] his "fuckbuddy" as a teenager for no reason other than [[EvilIsPetty just because he didn't really like the guy that much]], resulting in them being ostracized from the town as a result and more than likely ruining his life]].
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* Leo's route has Brian, a creepy PsychopathicManchild whose EstablishingCharacterMoment is beating a tied-up Clint with a tree branch for sexual kicks, and who eventually turns out to be [[spoiler: a DepravedHomosexual SerialKiller who gets off on [[EroticAsphyxiation choking people to death]] (and likely would have done the same to Chase had his partner in crime Duke not explicitly ordered him not to)]]. Even his most sympathetic moment, where we learn that [[FreudianExcuse he's as much a victim of the town's inherent evil as anyone]], has him admit to [[spoiler: [[ForcedOutOfTheCloset deliberately outting]] his "fuckbuddy" as a teenager for no reason other than [[EvilIsPetty just because he didn't really like the guy that much]], resulting in them the guy being ostracized from by the town as a result and more than likely ruining his life]].
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* TJ's route ends with [[spoiler: a spiritual entity possessing Chase and influencing him into becoming violently possessive of TJ]], all to put him in a situation where he'd be forced to [[spoiler: kill Flynn to "protect" TJ (and his own DarkSecret)]].
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* The end of TJ's route ends with reveals the monstrous visions of himself Chase has been seeing in the mirror are actually representative of [[spoiler: a another spiritual entity possessing Chase and that has been influencing him into becoming violently possessive of TJ]], all with the intent to put him in a situation where he'd be forced to [[spoiler: kill Flynn to "protect" TJ (and TJ, [[HistoryRepeats under the same circumstances that led to him killing Sydney in the past]], and as a result prevent his own DarkSecret)]].DarkSecret from getting out]]. No reason is given for why other than the implication that [[spoiler: the spirit is an entity born of [[UnholyGround the town itself]] and that, according to what it tells Chase, ''"THIS TOWN NEEDS SECRETS"'']].
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* Leo's route has Brian, a creepy PsychopathicManchild whose EstablishingCharacterMoment is beating a tied-up Clint with a tree branch for sexual kicks, and who eventually turns out to be [[spoiler: a DepravedHomosexual SerialKiller who gets off on [[EroticAsphyxiation choking people to death]] (and likely would have done the same to Chase had his partner in crime Duke not explicitly ordered him not to)]]. Even his most sympathetic moment, where we learn that [[FreudianExcuse he's as much a victim of the town's inherent evil as anyone]], has him admit to [[spoiler: [[ForcedOutOfTheCloset deliberately outting]] his "fuckbuddy" as a teenager for no reason other than because he just didn't really like the guy that much, resulting in him being ostracized from the town as a result and more than likely ruining his life]].
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* Leo's route has Brian, a creepy PsychopathicManchild whose EstablishingCharacterMoment is beating a tied-up Clint with a tree branch for sexual kicks, and who eventually turns out to be [[spoiler: a DepravedHomosexual SerialKiller who gets off on [[EroticAsphyxiation choking people to death]] (and likely would have done the same to Chase had his partner in crime Duke not explicitly ordered him not to)]]. Even his most sympathetic moment, where we learn that [[FreudianExcuse he's as much a victim of the town's inherent evil as anyone]], has him admit to [[spoiler: [[ForcedOutOfTheCloset deliberately outting]] his "fuckbuddy" as a teenager for no reason other than [[EvilIsPetty just because he just didn't really like the guy that much, much]], resulting in him them being ostracized from the town as a result and more than likely ruining his life]].
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* Leo's route has Brian, a creepy PsychopathicManchild whose EstablishingCharacterMoment is beating a tied-up Clint with a tree branch for sexual kicks, and who eventually turns out to be [[spoiler: a DepravedHomosexual SerialKiller who gets off on [[EroticAsphyxiation choking people to death]] (and likely would have done the same to Chase had Duke not explicitly ordered him not to)]]. Even his most sympathetic moment, where we learn that [[FreudianExcuse he's as much a victim of the town's inherent evil as anyone]], has him admit to [[spoiler: [[ForcedOutOfTheCloset deliberately outting]] his "fuckbuddy" as a teenager for no reason other than because he just didn't really like the guy that much, resulting in him being ostracized from the town as a result and more than likely ruining his life]].
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* Leo's route has Brian, a creepy PsychopathicManchild whose EstablishingCharacterMoment is beating a tied-up Clint with a tree branch for sexual kicks, and who eventually turns out to be [[spoiler: a DepravedHomosexual SerialKiller who gets off on [[EroticAsphyxiation choking people to death]] (and likely would have done the same to Chase had his partner in crime Duke not explicitly ordered him not to)]]. Even his most sympathetic moment, where we learn that [[FreudianExcuse he's as much a victim of the town's inherent evil as anyone]], has him admit to [[spoiler: [[ForcedOutOfTheCloset deliberately outting]] his "fuckbuddy" as a teenager for no reason other than because he just didn't really like the guy that much, resulting in him being ostracized from the town as a result and more than likely ruining his life]].
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* TJ's route ends with [[spoiler: a spiritual entity possessing Chase and influencing him into becoming violently possessive of TJ]], all to put him in a situation where he'd be forced to [[spoiler: kill Flynn to "protect" TJ (and his own DarkSecret)]].
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* TJ's route ends with [[spoiler: a spiritual entity possessing Chase and influencing him into becoming violently possessive of TJ]], all to put him in a situation where he'd be forced to [[spoiler: kill Flynn to "protect" TJ (and his own DarkSecret)]].DarkSecret)]].
* Leo's route has Brian, a creepy PsychopathicManchild whose EstablishingCharacterMoment is beating a tied-up Clint with a tree branch for sexual kicks, and who eventually turns out to be [[spoiler: a DepravedHomosexual SerialKiller who gets off on [[EroticAsphyxiation choking people to death]] (and likely would have done the same to Chase had Duke not explicitly ordered him not to)]]. Even his most sympathetic moment, where we learn that [[FreudianExcuse he's as much a victim of the town's inherent evil as anyone]], has him admit to [[spoiler: [[ForcedOutOfTheCloset deliberately outting]] his "fuckbuddy" as a teenager for no reason other than because he just didn't really like the guy that much, resulting in him being ostracized from the town as a result and more than likely ruining his life]].
* Leo's route has Brian, a creepy PsychopathicManchild whose EstablishingCharacterMoment is beating a tied-up Clint with a tree branch for sexual kicks, and who eventually turns out to be [[spoiler: a DepravedHomosexual SerialKiller who gets off on [[EroticAsphyxiation choking people to death]] (and likely would have done the same to Chase had Duke not explicitly ordered him not to)]]. Even his most sympathetic moment, where we learn that [[FreudianExcuse he's as much a victim of the town's inherent evil as anyone]], has him admit to [[spoiler: [[ForcedOutOfTheCloset deliberately outting]] his "fuckbuddy" as a teenager for no reason other than because he just didn't really like the guy that much, resulting in him being ostracized from the town as a result and more than likely ruining his life]].
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* CompleteMonster: [[WouldHurtAChild James Hendricks]], a wealthy ram who lived in the eponymous town of Echo in the 1910s, also happened to be a pedophilic SerialKiller. When the townsfolk found out about the childrens' corpses, James scapegoated his own lover John--who, being a desert fox, [[FantasticRacism was analogous to a Native American]]--having him lynched. Flashforward one century later, and James's ghost possesses his descendent Carl in the route where he is the LoveInterest, altering his personality and making him have a relationship with [[PlayerCharacter Chase Hunter]]--possibly against Carl's own will--for the express purpose of manipulating him and helping him defeat John. Eventually he settles on sending the gang to a spirit dimension where he intends to kill them, and is only unable to do so thanks to John's interference and our heroes finding out the whole story, banishing James's spirit in the proccess. James may also be the antagonist of the T.J. route, where a spiritual entity possesses Chase and makes him possessive of T.J. and violent, all to put him in a situation where he'd be forced to be the spirit's pawn and kill Flynn for seemingly no reason.
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* CompleteMonster: Carl's route has [[spoiler: [[WouldHurtAChild James Hendricks]], Hendricks]] ]], a wealthy ram pedophile SerialKiller from the town's history a hundred years ago, who lived in the eponymous town of Echo in the 1910s, is also happened to be a pedophilic SerialKiller. When responsible for [[spoiler: scapegoating his lover John (who, along with the townsfolk found out about the childrens' corpses, children James scapegoated his own lover John--who, being had killed, was a desert fox, Fennec Fox [[FantasticRacism was analogous to a Native American]]--having him lynched. Flashforward American]]) and allowed John to be lynched for his crimes while using his sizeable fortune to escape punishment]]. Flash-forward one century later, later and James's his ghost possesses his descendent Carl in the route where he is the LoveInterest, descendant, altering his their personality and making him have [[spoiler: entering Carl into a relationship with [[PlayerCharacter Chase Hunter]]--possibly Chase]] -likely as not against Carl's own will--for will-]] for the express purpose of manipulating him and the group into helping him defeat John. Eventually he settles on sending the gang cover up his own crimes, even willing to a spirit dimension where he intends to force his descendant kill them, and is only unable them to do so thanks to John's interference and our heroes finding out the whole story, banishing James's spirit in the proccess. James may also be the antagonist of the T.J. route, where so.
* TJ's route ends with [[spoiler: a spiritual entitypossesses possessing Chase and makes influencing him into becoming violently possessive of T.J. and violent, TJ]], all to put him in a situation where he'd be forced to be the spirit's pawn and [[spoiler: kill Flynn for seemingly no reason.to "protect" TJ (and his own DarkSecret)]].
* TJ's route ends with [[spoiler: a spiritual entity
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* CompleteMonster: [[DepravedHomosexual James Hendricks]] was a wealthy ram that lived in the eponymous town of Echo in the 1910s. He also happened to be a serial killer and pedophile. When the town's folks found out about the child corpses, James scapegoated his own lover John (who, being a desert fox, [[FantasticRacism was analogous to a Native American]]), having him lynched. Flashforward one century later, and James' ghost possesses his descendent Carl in the route where he is the love interest, altering his personality and making him have a relationship with Chase (the protagonist) quite possibly against Carl's own will[[note]]they like each other very much and depart on good terms, but at the end Carl admits that the "feelings just weren't there"[[/note]] for the express purpose of manipulating him and help him defeat John. Eventually he settles on sending the gang to a spirit dimmension where he intends to kill them, and is only unable to do so thanks to John's interference and our heroes finding out the whole story, banishing James' spirit in the proccess. James may also be the antagonist of the T.J. route, where a spiritual entity possesses Chase and makes him possessive of T.J. and violent, all to put him in a situation where he'd be forced to be the spirit's pawn and kill Flynn for seemingly no reason.
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* CompleteMonster: [[DepravedHomosexual [[WouldHurtAChild James Hendricks]] was Hendricks]], a wealthy ram that who lived in the eponymous town of Echo in the 1910s. He 1910s, also happened to be a serial killer and pedophile. pedophilic SerialKiller. When the town's folks townsfolk found out about the child childrens' corpses, James scapegoated his own lover John (who, John--who, being a desert fox, [[FantasticRacism was analogous to a Native American]]), having American]]--having him lynched. Flashforward one century later, and James' James's ghost possesses his descendent Carl in the route where he is the love interest, LoveInterest, altering his personality and making him have a relationship with [[PlayerCharacter Chase (the protagonist) quite possibly Hunter]]--possibly against Carl's own will[[note]]they like each other very much and depart on good terms, but at the end Carl admits that the "feelings just weren't there"[[/note]] for will--for the express purpose of manipulating him and help helping him defeat John. Eventually he settles on sending the gang to a spirit dimmension dimension where he intends to kill them, and is only unable to do so thanks to John's interference and our heroes finding out the whole story, banishing James' James's spirit in the proccess. James may also be the antagonist of the T.J. route, where a spiritual entity possesses Chase and makes him possessive of T.J. and violent, all to put him in a situation where he'd be forced to be the spirit's pawn and kill Flynn for seemingly no reason.
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* CompleteMonsters: [[DepravedHomosexual James Hendricks]] was a wealthy ram that lived in the eponymous town of Echo in the 1910s. He also happened to be a serial killer and pedophile. When the town's folks found out about the child corpses, James scapegoated his own lover John (who, being a desert fox, [[FantasticRacism was analogous to a Native American]]), having him lynched. Flashforward one century later, and James' ghost possesses his descendent Carl in the route where he is the love interest, altering his personality and making him have a relationship with Chase (the protagonist) quite possibly against Carl's own will[[note]]they like each other very much and depart on good terms, but at the end Carl admits that the "feelings just weren't there"[[/note]] for the express purpose of manipulating him and help him defeat John. Eventually he settles on sending the gang to a spirit dimmension where he intends to kill them, and is only unable to do so thanks to John's interference and our heroes finding out the whole story, banishing James' spirit in the proccess. James may also be the antagonist of the T.J. route, where a spiritual entity possesses Chase and makes him possessive of T.J. and violent, all to put him in a situation where he'd be forced to be the spirit's pawn and kill Flynn for seemingly no reason.
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* CompleteMonsters: CompleteMonster: [[DepravedHomosexual James Hendricks]] was a wealthy ram that lived in the eponymous town of Echo in the 1910s. He also happened to be a serial killer and pedophile. When the town's folks found out about the child corpses, James scapegoated his own lover John (who, being a desert fox, [[FantasticRacism was analogous to a Native American]]), having him lynched. Flashforward one century later, and James' ghost possesses his descendent Carl in the route where he is the love interest, altering his personality and making him have a relationship with Chase (the protagonist) quite possibly against Carl's own will[[note]]they like each other very much and depart on good terms, but at the end Carl admits that the "feelings just weren't there"[[/note]] for the express purpose of manipulating him and help him defeat John. Eventually he settles on sending the gang to a spirit dimmension where he intends to kill them, and is only unable to do so thanks to John's interference and our heroes finding out the whole story, banishing James' spirit in the proccess. James may also be the antagonist of the T.J. route, where a spiritual entity possesses Chase and makes him possessive of T.J. and violent, all to put him in a situation where he'd be forced to be the spirit's pawn and kill Flynn for seemingly no reason.
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* CompleteMonsters: [[DepravedHomosexual James Hendricks]] was a wealthy ram that lived in the eponymous town of Echo in the 1910s. He also happened to be a serial killer and pedophile. When the town's folks found out about the child corpses, James scapegoated his own lover John (who, being a desert fox, [[FantasticRacism was analogous to a Native American]]), having him lynched. Flashforward one century later, and James' ghost possesses his descendent Carl in the route where he is the love interest, altering his personality and making him have a relationship with Chase (the protagonist) quite possibly against Carl's own will[[note]]they like each other very much and depart on good terms, but at the end Carl admits that the "feelings just weren't there"[[/note]] for the express purpose of manipulating him and help him defeat John. Eventually he settles on sending the gang to a spirit dimmension where he intends to kill them, and is only unable to do so thanks to John's interference and our heroes finding out the whole story, banishing James' spirit in the proccess. James may also be the antagonist of the T.J. route, where a spiritual entity possesses Chase and makes him possessive of T.J. and violent, all to put him in a situation where he'd be forced to be the spirit's pawn and kill Flynn for seemingly no reason.
