History YMMV / DumbingOfAge

25th Jun '16 10:04:27 AM DoctorNemesis
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* StrawmanHasAPoint: Mary is not a particularly nice character, being a particularly obnoxious combination of [[TheFundamentalist a conservative fundamentalist]], a transphobe/homophobe and [[spoiler: a [[{{Blackmail}} blackmailer]], and we are clearly meant to view her actions as villainous, reprehensible and underhanded. However, several readers argue that she is perhaps not as entirely in the wrong as the strip seems to believe; while her feud with Carla is at least partially based on transphobia, Carla herself is arguably UnintentionallyUnsympathetic (see below) and herself shares a generous amount of the blame for exacerbating the situation, and while [[spoiler: blackmailing Ruth]] is hardly ethical, she does note that Ruth hasn't exactly been doing a good job as R.A.
25th Jun '16 10:02:29 AM DoctorNemesis
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* StrawmanHasAPoint: Mary is not a particularly nice character, being a particularly obnoxious combination of [[TheFundamentalist a conservative fundamentalist]], a transphobe/homophobe and [[spoiler: a [[{{Blackmail}} blackmailer]], and we are clearly meant to view her actions as villainous, reprehensible and underhanded. However, several readers argue that she is perhaps not as entirely in the wrong as the strip seems to believe; while her feud with Carla is at least partially based on transphobia, Carla herself is arguably UnintentionallyUnsympathetic (see below) and herself shares a generous amount of the blame for exacerbating the situation, and while [[spoiler: blackmailing Ruth]] is hardly ethical, she does note that Ruth hasn't exactly been doing a good job as R.A.
22nd Jun '16 5:48:19 PM Scorntex
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** However, the aftermath shows there has been damage to people involved in the event who weren't Becky, namely Amber and Joyce, the former due to being saved by Sal, and Joyce's attitude taking a serious hit thanks to her mother supporting Ross's actions.
13th Jun '16 3:06:19 PM Mr.Badguy
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* StrawmanHasAPoint: [[http://www.dumbingofage.com/2016/comic/book-6/03-when-god-closes-the-door/prevented/ In this strip]], Joyce treats John expecting Becky to know how to access her Social Security Number as unreasonable but the problem with this is that she and Becky live on a college campus in the year 2016. Even if the library didn't have the information, five seconds on google from a phone borrowed from either Joyce or Dina would easily tell her what she needs to do.
13th Jun '16 3:04:40 PM Mr.Badguy
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* MoralEventHorizon: Mary, while disliked by much of the fandom for having Joyce's fundie attitudes with none of her empathy or ethics, finally crossed it in the eyes of many when she escalated a simple noise complaint to [[http://www.dumbingofage.com/2015/comic/book-6/02-that-perfect-girl/stomp/ destruction]], [[http://www.dumbingofage.com/2016/comic/book-6/02-that-perfect-girl/wrong-2/ bigotry]], and [[http://www.dumbingofage.com/2016/comic/book-6/02-that-perfect-girl/leverage-2/ blackmail]], while other fans see her actions as an inevitable consequence of systematic negligence and direct provocation, having the vilification of Mary feel so forced that their sympathy gravitates more towards her than any of her "victims".

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* MoralEventHorizon: Mary, while disliked by much of the fandom for having Joyce's fundie attitudes with none of her empathy or ethics, finally crossed it in the eyes of many when she escalated a simple noise complaint to [[http://www.dumbingofage.com/2015/comic/book-6/02-that-perfect-girl/stomp/ destruction]], [[http://www.dumbingofage.com/2016/comic/book-6/02-that-perfect-girl/wrong-2/ bigotry]], and [[http://www.dumbingofage.com/2016/comic/book-6/02-that-perfect-girl/leverage-2/ blackmail]], while other fans see her actions as an inevitable consequence of systematic negligence and direct provocation, having the vilification of Mary feel so forced that their sympathy gravitates more towards her than any of her "victims".blackmail]].



* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Happens with characters like Becky and Carla. While we are meant to find them sympathetic, many readers find [[http://www.dumbingofage.com/2015/comic/book-5/02-threes-a-crowd/blbfghlpf/ their personalities]] [[http://www.dumbingofage.com/2015/comic/book-6/02-that-perfect-girl/skff/ too off putting]] to want to take their side. Complicating the matter is Becky's status as a lesbian and Carla's status as a trans woman, which while on one hand can cause some of the critiques of their characters to cross into homophobia and transphobia, on the other it can silence any and all criticism by blankly accusing it homophobia and transphobia. The resulting cacophony results in the average fan in between, being put off from the character regardless.

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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Happens with characters like Becky and Carla. While we are meant to find them sympathetic, many readers find [[http://www.dumbingofage.com/2015/comic/book-5/02-threes-a-crowd/blbfghlpf/ their personalities]] [[http://www.dumbingofage.com/2015/comic/book-6/02-that-perfect-girl/skff/ too off putting]] to want to take their side. Complicating the matter is Becky's status as a lesbian and Carla's status as a trans woman, which while on one hand can cause some of the critiques of their characters to cross into homophobia and transphobia, on the other it can silence any and all criticism by blankly accusing it homophobia and transphobia. The resulting cacophony results in the average fan in between, being put off from the character regardless.transphobia.
13th Jun '16 12:34:01 PM ironballs16
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* MagnificentBastard: According to Sarah, [[http://www.dumbingofage.com/2014/comic/book-4/02-i-was-a-teenage-churchmouse/magnificent/ Joyce is one]].
11th Jun '16 12:18:15 AM NonoRobot
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* AngstWhatAngst: Zig-zagged. [[http://www.dumbingofage.com/2013/comic/book-3/04-just-hangin-out-with-my-family/princess/ Sal is upset]] by her parents' neglect, [[http://www.dumbingofage.com/2012/comic/book-2/05-saturdays-all-right-for-slighting/money/ Billie shrugs off]] her father trying to buy her love and has [[http://www.dumbingofage.com/2013/comic/book-3/03-answers-in-hennessy/familyyy/ latched onto the Walkertons]] without expressing any issues with this arrangement. On the other hand, it's entirely in character for Billie to be openly dismissive of stuff like that, and her self-worth issues have become very, very visible over the course of the strip.

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* AngstWhatAngst: AngstWhatAngst
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Zig-zagged. [[http://www.dumbingofage.com/2013/comic/book-3/04-just-hangin-out-with-my-family/princess/ Sal is upset]] by her parents' neglect, [[http://www.dumbingofage.com/2012/comic/book-2/05-saturdays-all-right-for-slighting/money/ Billie shrugs off]] her father trying to buy her love and has [[http://www.dumbingofage.com/2013/comic/book-3/03-answers-in-hennessy/familyyy/ latched onto the Walkertons]] without expressing any issues with this arrangement. On the other hand, it's entirely in character for Billie to be openly dismissive of stuff like that, and her self-worth issues have become very, very visible over the course of the strip.
10th Jun '16 6:38:24 PM dmh3000
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** Becky tends to shrug off any [[http://www.dumbingofage.com/2015/comic/book-6/01-to-those-whod-ground-me/unlimited/ moments of sadness easily]]. Whether it's genuine or she's just good at hiding her pain has yet to be seen.
10th Jun '16 6:35:26 PM dmh3000
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* StrawmanHasAPoint: [[http://www.dumbingofage.com/2016/comic/book-6/03-when-god-closes-the-door/prevented/ In this strip]], Joyce treats John expecting Becky to know how to access her Social Security Number as unreasonable but the problem with this is that she and Becky live on a college campus in the year 2016. Even if the library didn't have the information, five seconds on google from a phone borrowed from either Joyce or Dina would easily tell her what she needs to do.
10th Jun '16 10:04:05 AM banhammer
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Happens with characters like Becky and Carla. While we are meant to find them sympathetic, many readers find [[http://www.dumbingofage.com/2015/comic/book-5/02-threes-a-crowd/blbfghlpf/ their personalities]] [[http://www.dumbingofage.com/2015/comic/book-6/02-that-perfect-girl/skff/ too off putting]] to want to take their side. Complicating the matter is Becky's status as a lesbian and Carla's status as a trans woman, which can cause some of the critiques of their characters to cross into homophobia and transphobia.

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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Happens with characters like Becky and Carla. While we are meant to find them sympathetic, many readers find [[http://www.dumbingofage.com/2015/comic/book-5/02-threes-a-crowd/blbfghlpf/ their personalities]] [[http://www.dumbingofage.com/2015/comic/book-6/02-that-perfect-girl/skff/ too off putting]] to want to take their side. Complicating the matter is Becky's status as a lesbian and Carla's status as a trans woman, which while on one hand can cause some of the critiques of their characters to cross into homophobia and transphobia.transphobia, on the other it can silence any and all criticism by blankly accusing it homophobia and transphobia. The resulting cacophony results in the average fan in between, being put off from the character regardless.
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