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* AwardSnub: The movie earned eight Oscar nominations, more than any other movie of its year, yet got denied a Best Picture nomination. Creator/EddieMurphy fans were rather vocal about his being denied the Best Supporting Actor Oscar for his performance as Jimmy, which the man himself blamed on the release of ''Film/{{Norbit}}'' during award season. Likewise many people are outraged that Music/JenniferHudson only received Supporting Awards, only so Beyoncé [[TheDiva would have no competition]], mitigated by the fact that with her in the supporting category, Hudson had no real competition, guaranteeing her win, compared to her going against Creator/HelenMirren and her brilliant performance in ''Film/TheQueen'' if she had gone in the Lead Category.
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* AwardSnub: The movie earned eight Oscar nominations, more than any other movie of its year, yet got denied a Best Picture nomination. Creator/EddieMurphy fans were rather vocal about his being denied the Best Supporting Actor Oscar for his performance as Jimmy, which the man himself blamed on the release of ''Film/{{Norbit}}'' during award season. Likewise many people are outraged that Music/JenniferHudson only received Supporting Awards, only so Beyoncé Knowles [[TheDiva would have no competition]], mitigated by the fact that with her in the supporting category, Hudson had no real competition, guaranteeing her win, compared to her going against Creator/HelenMirren and her brilliant performance in ''Film/TheQueen'' if she had gone in the Lead Category.
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* AwardSnub: The movie earned eight Oscar nominations, more than any other movie of its year, yet got denied a Best Picture nomination. Creator/EddieMurphy fans were rather vocal about his being denied the Best Supporting Actor Oscar for his performance as Jimmy, which the man himself blamed on the release of ''Film/{{Norbit}}'' during award season. Likewise many people are outraged that Music/JenniferHudson only received Supporting Awards, only so Music/{{Beyonce}} Beyoncé [[TheDiva would have no competition]], mitigated out by the fact that with her in the supporting category category, Hudson had no real competition, guaranteeing her win, compared to her going against Creator/HelenMirren and her brilliant performance in ''Film/TheQueen'' if she had gone in the Lead Category.
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* AwardCategoryFraud: Despite playing the character that's pointed to as the real main character, Music/JenniferHudson was placed in the supporting categories all season long. The only reason why this happened was so Music/{{Beyoncé}} would have no internal competition. The result was Hudson sweeping that awards season while Beyoncé was mostly ignored, with her biggest recognition being a comedy/musical actress nod at the Golden Globes.
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** Rememering the outrage everyone felt after their version of "Cadillac Car" was stolen by another band to greater popularity is this after Deena Jones and The Dreams stole Effie's version of "One Night Only", which became a disco hit (although Deena nor the band knew about the previous version and apologized when the truth came out).
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** Rememering Remembering the outrage everyone felt after their version of "Cadillac Car" was stolen by another band to greater popularity is this after Deena Jones and The Dreams stole Effie's version of "One Night Only", which became a disco hit (although Deena nor the band knew about the previous version and apologized when the truth came out).
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* AwardSnub: The movie earned eight Oscar nominations, more than any other movie of its year, yet got denied a Best Picture nomination. Creator/EddieMurphy fans were rather vocal about his being denied the Best Supporting Actor Oscar for his performance as Jimmy, which the man himself blamed on the release of ''Film/{{Norbit}}'' during award season.
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* AwardSnub: The movie earned eight Oscar nominations, more than any other movie of its year, yet got denied a Best Picture nomination. Creator/EddieMurphy fans were rather vocal about his being denied the Best Supporting Actor Oscar for his performance as Jimmy, which the man himself blamed on the release of ''Film/{{Norbit}}'' during award season. Likewise many people are outraged that Music/JenniferHudson only received Supporting Awards, only so Music/{{Beyonce}} [[TheDiva would have no competition]], mitigated out by the fact that with her in the supporting category Hudson had no real competition, guaranteeing her win, compared to her going against Creator/HelenMirren and her brilliant performance in ''Film/TheQueen'' if she had gone in the Lead Category.
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** Rememering the outrage everyone felt after their version of "Cadillac Car" was stolen by another band to greater popularity is this after Deena Jones and The Dreams stole Effie's version of "One Night Only", which became a disco hit (although Deena nor the band knew about the previous version and apologized when the truth came out).
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** Related to this, Curtis' relationship with Deena can come off as pedophilic if you think about it. His obsession with her is creepy enough and has undertones of sexual grooming, but his insistence on her starring in that ''Cleopatra'' film even with her strong reluctance (particularly how she feels she's too old for the role, since she would have to play a sixteen-year-old) and his comment to her of "You'll always be sixteen to me". Additionally, even if it is a great song, Curtis' "When I First Saw You" can be viewed [[{{Squick}} as him being interested in her from the very beginning.]]
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** Related to this, Curtis' relationship with Deena can come off as pedophilic if you think about it.ephebophilic. His obsession with her is creepy enough and has undertones of sexual grooming, but his insistence on her starring in that ''Cleopatra'' film even with her strong reluctance (particularly how she feels she's too old for the role, since she would have to play a sixteen-year-old) and his comment to her of "You'll always be sixteen to me". Additionally, even if it is though it's a great song, Curtis' "When I First Saw You" can be viewed [[{{Squick}} as him being interested in her from the very beginning.]]
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Did Curtis ever really care about either Effie or Deena, or did he just use them the way he used everyone else? [[spoiler:If he had known that Effie was pregnant with his child, would he have still kicked her to the curb, or would he have tried to work out a situation that would work for all of them?]]
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** Did Curtis ever really care about either Effie or Deena, or did he just use them the way he used everyone else? [[spoiler:If he had known that Effie was pregnant with his child, would he have still kicked her to the curb, or would he have tried to work out a situation that would work for all ofthem?]]them?]]
** Related to this, Curtis' relationship with Deena can come off as pedophilic if you think about it. His obsession with her is creepy enough and has undertones of sexual grooming, but his insistence on her starring in that ''Cleopatra'' film even with her strong reluctance (particularly how she feels she's too old for the role, since she would have to play a sixteen-year-old) and his comment to her of "You'll always be sixteen to me". Additionally, even if it is a great song, Curtis' "When I First Saw You" can be viewed [[{{Squick}} as him being interested in her from the very beginning.]]
** Did Curtis ever really care about either Effie or Deena, or did he just use them the way he used everyone else? [[spoiler:If he had known that Effie was pregnant with his child, would he have still kicked her to the curb, or would he have tried to work out a situation that would work for all of
** Related to this, Curtis' relationship with Deena can come off as pedophilic if you think about it. His obsession with her is creepy enough and has undertones of sexual grooming, but his insistence on her starring in that ''Cleopatra'' film even with her strong reluctance (particularly how she feels she's too old for the role, since she would have to play a sixteen-year-old) and his comment to her of "You'll always be sixteen to me". Additionally, even if it is a great song, Curtis' "When I First Saw You" can be viewed [[{{Squick}} as him being interested in her from the very beginning.]]
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* HilariousInHindsight: In the movie, (and also in Music/{{Beyonce}} plays the SpotlightStealingSquad. However after the movie came out Jennifer Hudson and Creator/EddieMurphy took it over.
** And Deena has been Beyoncé's dream role for ''years''. She even brought her own outfit and wig to the audition.
** And Deena has been Beyoncé's dream role for ''years''. She even brought her own outfit and wig to the audition.
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* HilariousInHindsight: In the movie, (and also in Music/{{Beyonce}} plays the SpotlightStealingSquad. However after the movie came out Jennifer Hudson and Creator/EddieMurphy took it over.
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* AwardSnub: The movie earned eight Oscar nominations, more than any other movie of its year, yet got denied a Best Picture nomination. Creator/EddieMurphy fans were rather vocal about his being denied the Best Supporting Actor Oscar for his performance as Jimmy, which the man himself blamed one the release of ''Film/{{Norbit}}'' during award season.
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** Another moment from the film is when Effie becomes estranged from her brother, C.C. It becomes worse when you learn that Effie's actress, Creator/JenniferHudson, suffered through the murders of her mother, brother, and nephew (at the hands of her ''brother-in-law'') in 2008.
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** Another moment from the film is when Effie becomes estranged from her brother, C.C. It becomes worse when you learn that Effie's actress, Creator/JenniferHudson, suffered through the murders of her mother, brother, and nephew (at the hands of her ''brother-in-law'') in 2008.
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* HeReallyCanAct: ''And'' sing! It's safe to say that Creator/EddieMurphy's come a long way since "Party All The Time." See AwardSnub.
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* DudeNotFunny: An InUniverse example. In the film, when Jimmy drops his pants on national television, he expects others to find it funny. The others then criticize him for making a fool out of himself instead.
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Jimmy Early & Effie White are main characters, so they can't be ensemble darkhorses. Deleting. Also misuse of MEH trope.
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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Originally [[ItWasHisSled Effie White]], now it's Jimmy Early.
* HarsherInHindsight: The entirety of "Love You I Do." The whole song is about how Effie trusts Curtis completely to do right by her and how they'll go far in the world together. [[MoralEventHorizon Well Effie, the thing with that is...]]
* HarsherInHindsight: The entirety of "Love You I Do." The whole song is about how Effie trusts Curtis completely to do right by her and how they'll go far in the world together. [[MoralEventHorizon Well Effie, the thing with that is...]]
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* MoralEventHorizon: Curtis, near the end, when he steals C.C. and Effie's song ''One Night Only'' for his own. Luckily, its also the start of his LaserGuidedKarma.
** In-universe, the last straw for Deena was when Curtis pulled the plug on the gritty film project she wanted to undertake, forcing her into his Cleopatra movie that she was never interested in.
*** Which was an expy of the ''Magnolia'' movie that Diana Ross starred in.
** In-universe, the last straw for Deena was when Curtis pulled the plug on the gritty film project she wanted to undertake, forcing her into his Cleopatra movie that she was never interested in.
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** JerkassWoobie: Effie, not a {{jerkass}} [[JerkWithAHeartOfGold per se]], still counts. Although she was selfish, rude, and self-absorbed at first, she loses her spot and her boyfriend, who she really wanted to stay with while she was pregnant with his baby. It's not that hard to feel sorry for her. Plus, seeing him getting married to Deena must have hurt her a lot.
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** JerkassWoobie: Effie, not while a {{jerkass}} [[JerkWithAHeartOfGold per se]], still counts.JerkWithAHeartOfGold, can count. Although she was selfish, rude, and self-absorbed at first, she loses her spot and her boyfriend, who she really wanted to stay with while she was pregnant with his baby. It's not that hard to feel sorry for her. Plus, seeing him getting married to Deena must have hurt her a lot.
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* MemeticMutation: For a time, "And I'm Telling You Im Not Going" was better remembered for [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zj_L2ZKVaEw a scene from]] "The Fresh Prince Of Bel Air," in which Will does a [[ChewingTheScenery hysterically over-the-top]] lip-sync of the song to Uncle Phil. Jennifer Hudson would later reveal that [[HilariousInHindsight this is where she first heard the song]].
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* MemeticMutation: For a time, "And I'm Telling You Im Not Going" was better remembered for [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zj_L2ZKVaEw a scene from]] "The Fresh Prince Of Bel Air," ''Series/TheFreshPrinceOfBelAir,'' in which Will does a [[ChewingTheScenery hysterically over-the-top]] lip-sync of the song to Uncle Phil. Jennifer Hudson would later reveal that [[HilariousInHindsight this is where she first heard the song]].
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* {{Narm}}: The scene with the reprised version of "Cadillac Car" has been known to made several audiences laugh rather than share the sense of annoyance/outrage that Curtis and company felt.
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* {{Narm}}: The scene with the reprised version of "Cadillac Car" has been known to made several audiences laugh rather than share the sense of annoyance/outrage that Curtis and company felt. Arguably, it can be read as BlackComedy, that this rip-roaring [=R&B=] song got more popular as a terrible teen pop ballad that sucked all of the coolness out.
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* AwardSnub: The movie earned eight Oscar nominations, more than any other movie of its year, yet got denied a Best Picture nomination. Eddie Murphy fans were rather vocal about his being denied the Best Supporting Actor Oscar for his performance as Jimmy, which the man himself blamed one the release of ''Film/{{Norbit}}'' during award season.
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* AwardSnub: The movie earned eight Oscar nominations, more than any other movie of its year, yet got denied a Best Picture nomination. Eddie Murphy Creator/EddieMurphy fans were rather vocal about his being denied the Best Supporting Actor Oscar for his performance as Jimmy, which the man himself blamed one the release of ''Film/{{Norbit}}'' during award season.
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* HeReallyCanAct: ''And'' sing! It's safe to say that Eddie Murphy's come a long way since "Party All The Time." See AwardSnub.
* HilariousInHindsight: In the movie, (and also in Music/DestinysChild) Beyonce plays the SpotlightStealingSquad. However after the movie came out Jennifer Hudson and Creator/EddieMurphy took it over.
* HilariousInHindsight: In the movie, (and also in Music/DestinysChild) Beyonce plays the SpotlightStealingSquad. However after the movie came out Jennifer Hudson and Creator/EddieMurphy took it over.
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* HeReallyCanAct: ''And'' sing! It's safe to say that Eddie Murphy's Creator/EddieMurphy's come a long way since "Party All The Time." See AwardSnub.
* HilariousInHindsight: In the movie, (and also inMusic/DestinysChild) Beyonce Music/{{Beyonce}} plays the SpotlightStealingSquad. However after the movie came out Jennifer Hudson and Creator/EddieMurphy took it over.
* HilariousInHindsight: In the movie, (and also in
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* AwardSnub: The movie earned eight Oscar nominations, more than any other movie of its year, yet got denied a Best Picture nomination. Additionally, people felt Eddie Murphy should have won the Best Supporting Actor Oscar for his performance as Jimmy, and additionally blame the release of ''Film/{{Norbit}}'' during award season for making him lose it.
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* AwardSnub: The movie earned eight Oscar nominations, more than any other movie of its year, yet got denied a Best Picture nomination. Additionally, people felt Eddie Murphy should have won fans were rather vocal about his being denied the Best Supporting Actor Oscar for his performance as Jimmy, and additionally blame which the man himself blamed one the release of ''Film/{{Norbit}}'' during award season for making him lose it.season.
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* HeReallyCanAct: ''And'' sing, which was the good source of some SnarkBait back in the 80s. See AwardSnub.
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* AngstWhatAngst: Some viewers have noticed how quickly [[spoiler: Lorrell gets past Jimmy's death, with her only being sad about it in one scene and then getting back to business as usual. Given the fact that it came out of nowhere, mostly forgotten by everyone other than Effie, C.C. and Marty and that it's a DeathByAdaptation makes one even wonder why he was killed off in the first place.]]
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* HilariousInHindsight: In the movie, (and also in Music/DestinysChild) Beyonce plays the SpotlightStealingSquad. However after the movie came out Jennifer Hudson and EddieMurphy took it over.
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* MoralEventHorizon: Curtis near the end when he steals C.C. and Effie's song ''One Night Only'' for his own. Luckily its also the start of his LaserGuidedKarma.
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* MoralEventHorizon: Curtis Curtis, near the end end, when he steals C.C. and Effie's song ''One Night Only'' for his own. Luckily Luckily, its also the start of his LaserGuidedKarma.
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** JerkassWoobie: Effie, not a {{jerkass}} [[JerkWithAHeartOfGold per se]] still counts. Although she was selfish, rude, and self-absorbed at first, she loses her spot and her boyfriend, who she really wanted to stay with while she was pregnant with his baby. It's not that hard to feel sorry for her. Plus, seeing him getting married to Deena must have hurt her a lot.
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** JerkassWoobie: Effie, not a {{jerkass}} [[JerkWithAHeartOfGold per se]] se]], still counts. Although she was selfish, rude, and self-absorbed at first, she loses her spot and her boyfriend, who she really wanted to stay with while she was pregnant with his baby. It's not that hard to feel sorry for her. Plus, seeing him getting married to Deena must have hurt her a lot.
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* DudeNotFunny: An InUniverse example. I'm the film, when Jimmy drops his pants on national television, he expects others to find it funny. The others then criticize him for making a fool out of himself instead.
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* DudeNotFunny: An InUniverse example. I'm In the film, when Jimmy drops his pants on national television, he expects others to find it funny. The others then criticize him for making a fool out of himself instead.
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* AwardSnub: Most people felt Eddie Murphy should have won the Best Supporting Actor Oscar for his performance as Jimmy, and additionally blame the release of ''Film/{{Norbit}}'' during award season for making him lose it.
** The movie earned eight Oscar nominations, more than any other movie of its year, yet got denied a Best Picture nomination.
** The movie earned eight Oscar nominations, more than any other movie of its year, yet got denied a Best Picture nomination.
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* AwardSnub: Most The movie earned eight Oscar nominations, more than any other movie of its year, yet got denied a Best Picture nomination. Additionally, people felt Eddie Murphy should have won the Best Supporting Actor Oscar for his performance as Jimmy, and additionally blame the release of ''Film/{{Norbit}}'' during award season for making him lose it.
** The movie earned eight Oscar nominations, more than any other movie of its year, yet got denied a Best Picture nomination.it.
** The movie earned eight Oscar nominations, more than any other movie of its year, yet got denied a Best Picture nomination.
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