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* ParanoiaFuel: Previous episodes have made you afraid of statues, shadows, and [[BreadEggsMilkSquick invisible giant time-altering beetles hitching a ride on your back]]. As for this episode... [[MurderWater feeling thirsty?]]

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* ParanoiaFuel: Previous episodes have made you afraid of statues, shadows, [[Recap/DoctorWhoS29E10Blink statues]], [[Recap/DoctorWhoS30E8SilenceInTheLibrary shadows]], and [[BreadEggsMilkSquick invisible giant time-altering beetles hitching a ride on your back]]. As for this episode... [[MurderWater feeling thirsty?]]



* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: The Survivors of Bowie Base 1, especially Adelaide. Despite his DrunkWithPower attitude, the Doctor just saved their lives, as the Doctor said to Adelaide, while her death inspired her descendant to travel space, she can now inspire her in person. Despite earlier begging for the Doctor's help to escape The Flood, Adelaide becomes a CommanderContrarian the second he returns for her, is disgusted with the Doctor's attitude and seems to commit suicide ''in spite'' simply because the Doctor was arrogant about saving her due to her death being a fixed point in time. Yuri and Mia also seemed horrified at the rescue for some reason, despite their death or survival not being as important to the timeline as Adelaide's. Though this could be attributed to the shock of what they just survived and went through, and Yuri never actually says anything negative about the experience, just going after Mia when she runs off. All in all, they come across as [[UngratefulBastard ungrateful]], which may have been fueling the Doctor's attitude towards them, the only redeeming factor is Adelaide's Suicide seems to snap him out of his newfound mindset.

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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: The Survivors of Bowie Base 1, especially Adelaide. Despite his DrunkWithPower attitude, the Doctor just saved their lives, as the Doctor said to Adelaide, while her death inspired her descendant to travel space, she can now inspire her in person. Despite earlier begging for the Doctor's help to escape The Flood, Adelaide becomes a CommanderContrarian the second he returns for her, is disgusted with the Doctor's attitude and seems to commit suicide ''in spite'' simply because the Doctor was arrogant about saving her due to her death being a fixed point in time. Yuri and Mia also seemed horrified at the rescue for some reason, despite their death or survival not being as important to the timeline as Adelaide's. Though this could be attributed to the shock of what they just survived and went through, and Yuri never actually says anything negative about the experience, just going after Mia when she runs off. All in all, they come across as [[UngratefulBastard ungrateful]], which may have been fueling the Doctor's attitude towards them, the only redeeming factor is Adelaide's Suicide suicide seems to snap him out of his newfound mindset.
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: The Survivors of Bowie Base 1, especially Adelaide. Despite his DrunkWithPower attitude, the Doctor just saved their lives, as the Doctor said to Adelaide, while her death inspired her descendant to travel space, she can now inspire her in person. Despite earlier begging for the Doctor's help to escape The Flood, Adelaide becomes a CommanderContrarian the second he returns for her, is disgusted with the Doctor's attitude and seems to commit suicide ''in spite'' simply because the Doctor was arrogant about saving her due to her death being a fixed point in time. Yuri and Mia also seemed horrified at the rescue for some reason, despite their death or survival not being as important to the timeline as Adelaide's. Though this could be attributed to the shock of what they just survived and went through. All in all, they come across as [[UngratefulBastard ungrateful]], which may have been fueling the Doctor's attitude towards them, the only redeeming factor is Adelaide's Suicide seems to snap him out of his newfound mindset.

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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: The Survivors of Bowie Base 1, especially Adelaide. Despite his DrunkWithPower attitude, the Doctor just saved their lives, as the Doctor said to Adelaide, while her death inspired her descendant to travel space, she can now inspire her in person. Despite earlier begging for the Doctor's help to escape The Flood, Adelaide becomes a CommanderContrarian the second he returns for her, is disgusted with the Doctor's attitude and seems to commit suicide ''in spite'' simply because the Doctor was arrogant about saving her due to her death being a fixed point in time. Yuri and Mia also seemed horrified at the rescue for some reason, despite their death or survival not being as important to the timeline as Adelaide's. Though this could be attributed to the shock of what they just survived and went through.through, and Yuri never actually says anything negative about the experience, just going after Mia when she runs off. All in all, they come across as [[UngratefulBastard ungrateful]], which may have been fueling the Doctor's attitude towards them, the only redeeming factor is Adelaide's Suicide seems to snap him out of his newfound mindset.
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Mia holding Yuri's hand; a sign of their relationship deleted in the final draft? Or a moment of affection between two friends trying to accept their inevitably soon demise?

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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Mia holding Yuri's hand; a sign of their relationship deleted in the final draft? Or a moment of affection between two friends trying to accept their inevitably soon demise?
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* NightmareFuel: "The laws of time are mine, and will obey me!" In other words, the Doctor comes ''very'' close to turning into the Master. Or, perhaps even worse, the Valeyard. If not for Adelaide's suicide...

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* HilariousInHindsight[=/=]HarsherInHindsight:
** Depending on your view, the fact that liquid water was discovered on Mars itself on the 28th September 2015 makes the whole episode itself funnier...or harsher.
** And ''[[https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02751-1 again]]'' in 2020. It's been [[FromBadToWorse that kind of year]], after all.

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* HilariousInHindsight[=/=]HarsherInHindsight:
** Depending on your view, the
HilariousInHindsight: The fact that liquid water was discovered on Mars itself on the 28th September 2015 makes the whole episode itself funnier...or harsher.
** And
and ''[[https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02751-1 again]]'' in 2020. It's been [[FromBadToWorse that kind of year]], after all. 2020 makes the whole episode itself funnier.
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* MemeticMutation:
** "The Time Lord Victorious" and "The laws of time are mine and they will obey me!"
** "I've gone too far".



* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: The Survivors of Bowie Base 1, especially Adelaide. Despite his DrunkWithPower attitude, The Doctor just saved their lives, as the Doctor said to Adelaide, while her death inspired her descendant to travel space, she can now inspire her in person. Despite earlier begging for the Doctor's help to escape The Flood, Adelaide becomes a CommanderContrarian the second he returns for her, is disgusted with the Doctor's attitude and seems to commit suicide ''in spite'' simply because the Doctor was arrogant about saving her due to her death being a fixed point in time. Yuri and Mia also seemed horrified at the rescue for some reason, despite their death or survival not being as important to the timeline as Adelaide's. Though this could be attributed to the shock of what they just survived and went through. All in all, they come across as [[UngratefulBastard ungrateful]], which may have been fueling the Doctor's attitude towards them, the only redeeming factor is Adelaide's Suicide seems to snap him out of his newfound mindset.

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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: The Survivors of Bowie Base 1, especially Adelaide. Despite his DrunkWithPower attitude, The the Doctor just saved their lives, as the Doctor said to Adelaide, while her death inspired her descendant to travel space, she can now inspire her in person. Despite earlier begging for the Doctor's help to escape The Flood, Adelaide becomes a CommanderContrarian the second he returns for her, is disgusted with the Doctor's attitude and seems to commit suicide ''in spite'' simply because the Doctor was arrogant about saving her due to her death being a fixed point in time. Yuri and Mia also seemed horrified at the rescue for some reason, despite their death or survival not being as important to the timeline as Adelaide's. Though this could be attributed to the shock of what they just survived and went through. All in all, they come across as [[UngratefulBastard ungrateful]], which may have been fueling the Doctor's attitude towards them, the only redeeming factor is Adelaide's Suicide seems to snap him out of his newfound mindset.
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** Depending on your view, the fact that water was discovered on Mars itself on the 28th September 2015 makes the whole episode itself funnier...or harsher.

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** Depending on your view, the fact that liquid water was discovered on Mars itself on the 28th September 2015 makes the whole episode itself funnier...or harsher.
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: The Survivors of Bowie Base 1, especially Adelaide. Despite his DrunkWithPower attitude, The Doctor just saved their lives, as the Doctor said to Adelaide, while her death inspired her descendant to travel space, she can now inspire her in person. Despite earlier begging for the Doctor's help to escape The Flood, Adelaide becomes a CommanderContrarian the second he returns for her, is disgusted with the Doctors attitude and seems to commit suicide ''in spite'' simply because the Doctor was arrogant about saving her due to her death being a fixed point in time. Yuri and Mia also seemed horrified at the rescue for some reason, despite their death or survival not being as important to the timeline as Adelaide's. Though this could be attributed to the shock of what they just survived and went through. All in all, they come across as [[UngratefulBastard ungrateful]], which may have been fuelling the Doctors attitude towards them, the only redeeming factor is Adelaide's Suicide seems to snap him out of his newfound mindset.

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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: The Survivors of Bowie Base 1, especially Adelaide. Despite his DrunkWithPower attitude, The Doctor just saved their lives, as the Doctor said to Adelaide, while her death inspired her descendant to travel space, she can now inspire her in person. Despite earlier begging for the Doctor's help to escape The Flood, Adelaide becomes a CommanderContrarian the second he returns for her, is disgusted with the Doctors Doctor's attitude and seems to commit suicide ''in spite'' simply because the Doctor was arrogant about saving her due to her death being a fixed point in time. Yuri and Mia also seemed horrified at the rescue for some reason, despite their death or survival not being as important to the timeline as Adelaide's. Though this could be attributed to the shock of what they just survived and went through. All in all, they come across as [[UngratefulBastard ungrateful]], which may have been fuelling fueling the Doctors Doctor's attitude towards them, the only redeeming factor is Adelaide's Suicide seems to snap him out of his newfound mindset.
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: The Survivors of Bowie Base 1, especially Adelaide. Despite his DrunkWithPower attitude, The Doctor just saved their lives, as the Doctor said to Adelaide, while her death inspired her descendant to travel space, she can now inspire her in person. Despite earlier begging for the Doctor's help to escape The Flood, Adelaide becomes a CommanderContrarian the second he returns for her, is disgusted with the Doctors attitude and seems to commit suicide ''in spite'' simply because the Doctor was arrogant about saving her due to her death being a fixed point in time. Yuri and Mia also seemed horrified at the rescue for some reason, despite their death or survival not being as important to the timeline as Adelaide's. Though this could be attributed to the shock of what they just survived and went through. All in all, they come across as [[UngratefulBastard ungrateful]], which may have been fueling the Doctors attitude towards them, the only redeeming factor is Adelaide's Suicide seems to snap him out of his newfound mindset.

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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: The Survivors of Bowie Base 1, especially Adelaide. Despite his DrunkWithPower attitude, The Doctor just saved their lives, as the Doctor said to Adelaide, while her death inspired her descendant to travel space, she can now inspire her in person. Despite earlier begging for the Doctor's help to escape The Flood, Adelaide becomes a CommanderContrarian the second he returns for her, is disgusted with the Doctors attitude and seems to commit suicide ''in spite'' simply because the Doctor was arrogant about saving her due to her death being a fixed point in time. Yuri and Mia also seemed horrified at the rescue for some reason, despite their death or survival not being as important to the timeline as Adelaide's. Though this could be attributed to the shock of what they just survived and went through. All in all, they come across as [[UngratefulBastard ungrateful]], which may have been fueling fuelling the Doctors attitude towards them, the only redeeming factor is Adelaide's Suicide seems to snap him out of his newfound mindset.

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* HilariousInHindsight[=/=]HarsherInHindsight: Depending on your view, the fact that water was discovered on Mars itself on the 28th September 2015 makes the whole episode itself funnier...or harsher.

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* HilariousInHindsight[=/=]HarsherInHindsight: HilariousInHindsight[=/=]HarsherInHindsight:
**
Depending on your view, the fact that water was discovered on Mars itself on the 28th September 2015 makes the whole episode itself funnier...or harsher.harsher.
** And ''[[https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02751-1 again]]'' in 2020. It's been [[FromBadToWorse that kind of year]], after all.
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: The Survivors of Bowie Base 1, despite his DrunkWithPower attitude, The Doctor just saved their lives, as the Doctor said to Adelaide, While her death inspired her descendant to travel space, she can now inspire her in person, despite earlier begging for the Doctors help to escape The Flood, Adelaide is disgusted with the Doctors attitude and seems to commit suicide ''in spite'' simply because the Doctor was arrogant about saving her due to her death being a fixed point in time, Yuri and Mia also seemed horrified at the rescue for some reason, despite their death or surivival not being as important to the timeline as Adelaide's. All in all, they just come across as [[UngratefulBastard ungrateful]], which may have been fueling the Doctors attitude towards them, the only redeeming factor is Adelaide's Suicide seems to snap him out of his newfound mindset.

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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: The Survivors of Bowie Base 1, despite especially Adelaide. Despite his DrunkWithPower attitude, The Doctor just saved their lives, as the Doctor said to Adelaide, While while her death inspired her descendant to travel space, she can now inspire her in person, despite person. Despite earlier begging for the Doctors Doctor's help to escape The Flood, Adelaide becomes a CommanderContrarian the second he returns for her, is disgusted with the Doctors attitude and seems to commit suicide ''in spite'' simply because the Doctor was arrogant about saving her due to her death being a fixed point in time, time. Yuri and Mia also seemed horrified at the rescue for some reason, despite their death or surivival survival not being as important to the timeline as Adelaide's. Though this could be attributed to the shock of what they just survived and went through. All in all, they just come across as [[UngratefulBastard ungrateful]], which may have been fueling the Doctors attitude towards them, the only redeeming factor is Adelaide's Suicide seems to snap him out of his newfound mindset.
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: The Survivors of Bowie Base 1, despite his DrunkWithPower attitude, The Doctor just saved their lives, as the Doctor said to Adelaide, While her death inspired her descendant to travel space, she can now inspire her in person, despite earlier begging for the Doctors help to escape The Flood, Adelaide is disgusted with the Doctors attitude and seems to commit suicide ''in spite'' simply because the Doctor was arrogant about saving her due to her death being a fixed point in time, Yuri and Mia also seemed horrified at the rescue for some reason, despite their death or surivival not being as important to the timeline as Adelaide's. All in all, they just come across as UngratefulBastards, which may have been fueling the Doctors attitude towards them, the only redeeming factor is Adelaide's Suicide seems to snap him out of his newfound mindset.

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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: The Survivors of Bowie Base 1, despite his DrunkWithPower attitude, The Doctor just saved their lives, as the Doctor said to Adelaide, While her death inspired her descendant to travel space, she can now inspire her in person, despite earlier begging for the Doctors help to escape The Flood, Adelaide is disgusted with the Doctors attitude and seems to commit suicide ''in spite'' simply because the Doctor was arrogant about saving her due to her death being a fixed point in time, Yuri and Mia also seemed horrified at the rescue for some reason, despite their death or surivival not being as important to the timeline as Adelaide's. All in all, they just come across as UngratefulBastards, [[UngratefulBastard ungrateful]], which may have been fueling the Doctors attitude towards them, the only redeeming factor is Adelaide's Suicide seems to snap him out of his newfound mindset.
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: The Survivors of Bowie Base 1, despite his DrunkWithPower attitude, The Doctor just saved their lives, as the Doctor said to Adelaide, While her death inspired her descendant to travel space, she can now inspire her in person, despite earlier begging for the Doctors help to escape The Flood, Adelaide is disgusted with the Doctors attitude and seems to commit suicide ''in spite'' simply because the Doctor was arrogant about saving her due to her death being a fixed point in time, Yuri and Mia also seemed horrified at the rescue for some reason, despite their death or surivival not being as important to the timeline as Adelaide's. All in all, they just come across as UngratefulBastards, which may have been fueling the Doctors attitude towards them, the only redeeming factor is Adelaide's Suicide seems to snap him out of his newfound mindset.
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* RetroactiveRecognition: Gemma Chan, the actress playing Mia, would later star in ''Series/{{Humans}}'', in which she plays the android Anita, whose real name was... Mia.

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* RetroactiveRecognition: Gemma Chan, Creator/GemmaChan, the actress playing Mia, would later star in ''Series/{{Humans}}'', in which she plays the android Anita, whose real name was... Mia.
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Mia holding Yuri's hand; a sign of their relationship deleted in the final draft? Or a moment of affection between two friends trying to accept their inevitably soon demise?
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* RetroactiveRecognition: Mia's actress Gemma Chan would later star in ''Series/{{Humans}}'', in which she plays the android Anita, whose real name was... Mia.

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* RetroactiveRecognition: Mia's Gemma Chan, the actress Gemma Chan playing Mia, would later star in ''Series/{{Humans}}'', in which she plays the android Anita, whose real name was... Mia.
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* RetroactiveRecognition: Mia's actress Gemma Chan would later star in ''Series/{{Humans}}'', in which she plays the android Anita.

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* RetroactiveRecognition: Mia's actress Gemma Chan would later star in ''Series/{{Humans}}'', in which she plays the android Anita.Anita, whose real name was... Mia.

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