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* LargeHam: Hojo.
** Also Yuffie. She goes all-out on her introduction when Vincent asks who she is, as she's wearing a cloak, for some unknown reason.
* LeftHanging: The secret ending of ''DirgeofCerberus'' has not been picked up by any Final Fantasy media since. [[spoiler:Genesis flies away with Weiss promising some mysterious new plan... which has never been followed up.]]
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* LeftHanging: The secret ending of ''DirgeofCerberus'' has not been picked up by any Final Fantasy media since. [[spoiler:Genesis flies away with Weiss promising some mysterious new plan... which has never been followed up.]]

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* HamAndCheese: Paul Eiding as Hojo, though he's much more subdued in ''CrisisCore''.
** This troper can't be the only one who thinks the same about MaryElizabethMcGlynn's Rosso.

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Paul Eiding as Hojo, though he's much more subdued in ''CrisisCore''.
** This troper can't be the only one who thinks the same about MaryElizabethMcGlynn's Rosso.
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** This is exactly why LetsPlay/TheDarkId's LP includes a special feature at the end of some updates titled "Fuck Tetsuya Nomura", dedicated to mocking the character designs of this game.
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* HoYay: Or Bro Yay, as it were between Nero and Weiss.

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* HoYay: Or [[IncestYay Bro Yay, Yay]], as it were was between Nero and Weiss.



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* HamAndCheese: Paul Eiding as Hojo, though he's much more subdued in ''CrisisCore''.

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* HamAndCheese: Paul Eiding as Hojo, though he's much more subdued in ''CrisisCore''. ''CrisisCore''.
** This troper can't be the only one who thinks the same about MaryElizabethMcGlynn's Rosso.
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* EvilIsCool[=/=]EvilIsSexy: Rosso. There's just something oddly alluring about a [[AxCrazy not-quite-there]], [[AbusivelySexyWoman sadistic]] LadyInRed FemmeFatale [[BloodLust with a thing for blood]] and [[ImpossiblyCoolWeapon a snazzy weapon]]. Having a nice figure ([[BareYourMidriff and the]] [[UnderwearOfPower clothes]] [[{{Stripperiffic}} by which to flaunt it]]) as well as the voice of AtsukoTanaka and MaryElizabethMcGlynn (the latter giving Rosso a [[FakeRussian Russian accent]], which may or may not add to the sexy factor) and FoeYay with TheHero never hurts either.

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* EvilIsCool[=/=]EvilIsSexy: Rosso. There's just something oddly alluring about a [[AxCrazy not-quite-there]], [[AbusivelySexyWoman [[BastardGirlfriend sadistic]] LadyInRed FemmeFatale [[BloodLust with a thing for blood]] and [[ImpossiblyCoolWeapon a snazzy weapon]]. Having a nice figure ([[BareYourMidriff and the]] [[UnderwearOfPower clothes]] [[{{Stripperiffic}} by which to flaunt it]]) as well as the voice of AtsukoTanaka and MaryElizabethMcGlynn (the latter giving Rosso a [[FakeRussian Russian accent]], which may or may not add to the sexy factor) and FoeYay with TheHero never hurts either.
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** [[EstrogenBrigadeBait For the ladies]], Weiss.

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** [[EstrogenBrigadeBait [[MrFanservice For the ladies]], Weiss.
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* EvilIsCool[=/=]EvilIsSexy: Rosso. There's just something oddly alluring about a [[AxCrazy not-quite-there]], [[AbusivelySexyWoman sadistic]] LadyInRed FemmeFatale [[BloodLust with a thing for blood]] and [[ImpossiblyCoolWeapon a snazzy weapon]]. Having a nice figure ([[BareYourMidriff and the]] [[UnderwearOfPower clothes]] [[{{Stripperiffic}} by which to faunt it]]) as well as the voice of AtsukoTanaka and MaryElizabethMcGlynn (the latter giving Rosso a [[FakeRussian Russian accent]], which may or may not add to the sexy factor) and FoeYay with TheHero never hurts either.

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* EvilIsCool[=/=]EvilIsSexy: Rosso. There's just something oddly alluring about a [[AxCrazy not-quite-there]], [[AbusivelySexyWoman sadistic]] LadyInRed FemmeFatale [[BloodLust with a thing for blood]] and [[ImpossiblyCoolWeapon a snazzy weapon]]. Having a nice figure ([[BareYourMidriff and the]] [[UnderwearOfPower clothes]] [[{{Stripperiffic}} by which to faunt flaunt it]]) as well as the voice of AtsukoTanaka and MaryElizabethMcGlynn (the latter giving Rosso a [[FakeRussian Russian accent]], which may or may not add to the sexy factor) and FoeYay with TheHero never hurts either.

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* SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic: Even if the game itself sucks, you have to admit Masashi Hamauzu did a good job.

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* SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic: Even if Regardless of the game itself sucks, game's quality, you have to admit Masashi Hamauzu did a good job.



* HamAndCheese: Paul Eiding as Hojo (he's much more subdued in ''CrisisCore'').

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* HamAndCheese: Paul Eiding as Hojo (he's Hojo, though he's much more subdued in ''CrisisCore'').''CrisisCore''.



* TearJerker: Has its moments...
** Shalua's fate.
** [[YourMileageMayVary Lucrecia's last talk with Vincent.]] Oh God...

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* TearJerker: Has its moments...
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Shalua's fate.
** [[YourMileageMayVary Lucrecia's last talk with Vincent.]] Vincent. Oh God...



* VillainDecay: HOJO.
** To elaborate, even though he appears to be just as evil as he was in the original game, he is robbed of most of his actual character traits and becomes far more stereotypical, making it difficult for players to take him seriously as the CompleteMonster he truly is. It should be noted, however, that it is heavily implied that the reason for his... more-stereotypical behavior was because he lost his sanity after his botched attempt at injecting himself with Jenova's cells.

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* VillainDecay: HOJO.
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Hojo. Even though he appears to be just as evil as he was in the original game, he is robbed of most of his actual character traits and becomes far more stereotypical, making it difficult for players to take him seriously as the CompleteMonster he truly is. It should be noted, however, that it is heavily implied that the reason for his... his more-stereotypical behavior was because he lost his sanity after his botched attempt at injecting himself with Jenova's cells.

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* CompleteMonster: Weiss, and while [[spoiler:it's actually Hojo who orders all the horrors Deepground commits, once Weiss becomes free from him, he too wants to destroy the world]].

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* CompleteMonster: Weiss, and while [[spoiler:it's actually Hojo who orders all the horrors Deepground commits, once Weiss becomes free from him, he too wants to destroy the world]]. On the other hand, [[spoiler: The 100% ending implies that either Weiss has some chance at redemption, or Genesis himself is also a CompleteMonster]].



** To elaborate, even though he appears to be just as evil as he was in the original game, he is robbed of most of his actual character traits and becomes far more stereotypical, making it difficult for players to take him seriously as the CompleteMonster he truly is.

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** To elaborate, even though he appears to be just as evil as he was in the original game, he is robbed of most of his actual character traits and becomes far more stereotypical, making it difficult for players to take him seriously as the CompleteMonster he truly is. It should be noted, however, that it is heavily implied that the reason for his... more-stereotypical behavior was because he lost his sanity after his botched attempt at injecting himself with Jenova's cells.
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** This is [[YourMileageMayVary probably]] a case of plot-induced {{Flanderization}}[=/=]CharacterDerailment, not unlike Cloud in ''[[FinalFantasyVIIAdventChildren Advent Children]]''. Vincent was set up as a {{foil}} to Cloud (who was something of a wangsty git in ''AC''--due to {{pandering|ToTheBase}} to common portrayals of Cloud in {{doujinshi}}--to NeverLiveItDown levels; not even ''Complete'' justifying Cloud's angst and Cloud--regardless of the version of the move--'''getting over it''' by the end could shake off his {{emo}} label among the fandom) in terms of [[TheAtoner penance and seeking atonement]]; when Cloud asks if sins can be forgiven, Vincent simply replies, "I've never tried," spurring Cloud to give it a shot and later "phone in the verdict" to Vincent; seeing as Cloud found his answer and ''finally'' came to terms with everything (actually showing signs of his old personality in this very game, no less), there was no reason to suggest that Vincent couldn't do the same. However, seeing as Vincent is the focus here, all the "sins" he's been burdening for the past few decades suddenly come ''surging'' to the surface with no prior warning in order to shape the conflict of (and Vincent's personal stake in) ''Dirge''. ''How'' (w)angsty Vincent is depends on viewer interpretation.

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** This is [[YourMileageMayVary probably]] a case of plot-induced {{Flanderization}}[=/=]CharacterDerailment, not unlike Cloud in ''[[FinalFantasyVIIAdventChildren Advent Children]]''. Vincent was set up as a {{foil}} to Cloud (who was something of a wangsty git in ''AC''--due to {{pandering|ToTheBase}} to common portrayals of Cloud in {{doujinshi}}--to NeverLiveItDown levels; not even ''Complete'' justifying Cloud's angst and Cloud--regardless of the version of the move--'''getting over it''' by the end could shake off his {{emo}} label among the fandom) in terms of [[TheAtoner penance and seeking atonement]]; when Cloud asks if sins can be forgiven, Vincent simply replies, "I've never tried," spurring Cloud to give it a shot and later "phone in the verdict" to Vincent; seeing as Cloud found his answer and ''finally'' came to terms with everything (actually showing signs of his old personality in this very game, no less), there was no reason to suggest that Vincent couldn't do the same. However, seeing as Vincent is the focus here, all the "sins" he's been burdening for the past few decades suddenly come ''surging'' to the surface with no prior warning in order to shape the conflict of (and Vincent's personal stake in) ''Dirge''. ''How'' (w)angsty Vincent is depends on viewer interpretation.

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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Depending on your point of view Lucrecia can come across as either a remorseful victim of Hojo's insanity looking to make amends for harming the only man who ever really loved her, or as a callous heartbreaker who strung Vincent along for years, [[spoiler:accidentally killed his father]], dumped him for Hojo, then experimented on her own son ''in utero'' then sealed herself inside a crystal because she just couldn't live with herself any more. And Vincent ''still'' loves her.
* CompleteMonster: Weiss, and while [[spoiler:it's actually Hojo who orders all the horrors Deepground commits, but once Weiss becomes free from him, he too wants to destroy the world]].
* CrowningMusicOfAwesome: Even if the game itself sucks, you have to admit Masashi Hamauzu did a good job.

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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Depending on your point of view view, Lucrecia can come across as either a remorseful victim of Hojo's insanity looking to make amends for harming the only man who ever really loved her, or as a callous heartbreaker who strung Vincent along for years, [[spoiler:accidentally killed his father]], dumped him for Hojo, then experimented on her own son ''in utero'' then sealed herself inside a crystal because she just couldn't live with herself any more. And Vincent ''still'' loves her.
* CompleteMonster: Weiss, and while [[spoiler:it's actually Hojo who orders all the horrors Deepground commits, but once Weiss becomes free from him, he too wants to destroy the world]].
* CrowningMusicOfAwesome:
SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic: Even if the game itself sucks, you have to admit Masashi Hamauzu did a good job.



* CompleteMonster: Weiss, and while [[spoiler:it's actually Hojo who orders all the horrors Deepground commits, once Weiss becomes free from him, he too wants to destroy the world]].
* EvilIsCool[=/=]EvilIsSexy: Rosso. There's just something oddly alluring about a [[AxCrazy not-quite-there]], [[AbusivelySexyWoman sadistic]] LadyInRed FemmeFatale [[BloodLust with a thing for blood]] and [[ImpossiblyCoolWeapon a snazzy weapon]]. Having a nice figure ([[BareYourMidriff and the]] [[UnderwearOfPower clothes]] [[{{Stripperiffic}} by which to faunt it]]) as well as the voice of AtsukoTanaka and MaryElizabethMcGlynn (the latter giving Rosso a [[FakeRussian Russian accent]], which may or may not add to the sexy factor) and FoeYay with TheHero never hurts either.
** [[EstrogenBrigadeBait For the ladies]], Weiss.



* LargeHam: Hojo

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* LargeHam: HojoHojo.



* {{Tearjerker}}: Has its moments...

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* {{Tearjerker}}: TearJerker: Has its moments...



-->'''Lucrecia''': This isn't how it was supposed to be. I've made too many mistakes. And I've hurt you so, so much. Why did I do what I did? I'm so sorry. But I'm so happy you survived.

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-->'''Lucrecia''': This "This isn't how it was supposed to be. I've made too many mistakes. And I've hurt you so, so much. Why did I do what I did? I'm so sorry. But I'm so happy you survived."




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** This is [[YourMileageMayVary probably]] a case of plot-induced {{Flanderization}}[=/=]CharacterDerailment, not unlike Cloud in ''[[FinalFantasyVIIAdventChildren Advent Children]]''. Vincent was set up as a {{foil}} to Cloud (who was something of a wangsty git in ''AC''--due to {{pandering|ToTheBase}} to common portrayals of Cloud in {{doujinshi}}--to NeverLiveItDown levels; not even ''Complete'' justifying Cloud's angst and Cloud--regardless of the version of the move--'''getting over it''' by the end could shake off his {{emo}} label among the fandom) in terms of [[TheAtoner penance and seeking atonement]]; when Cloud asks if sins can be forgiven, Vincent simply replies, "I've never tried," spurring Cloud to give it a shot and later "phone in the verdict" to Vincent; seeing as Cloud found his answer and ''finally'' came to terms with everything (actually showing signs of his old personality in this very game, no less), there was no reason to suggest that Vincent couldn't do the same. However, seeing as Vincent is the focus here, all the "sins" he's been burdening for the past few decades suddenly come ''surging'' to the surface with no prior warning in order to shape the conflict of (and Vincent's personal stake in) ''Dirge''. ''How'' (w)angsty Vincent is depends on viewer interpretation.
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** To elaborate, even though he appears to be just as evil as he was in the original game, he is robbed of most of his actual character traits and becomes far more stereotypical, making it difficult for players to take him seriously as the CompleteMonster he truly is. Fortunately, a good deal of this is reversed in CrisisCore.

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** To elaborate, even though he appears to be just as evil as he was in the original game, he is robbed of most of his actual character traits and becomes far more stereotypical, making it difficult for players to take him seriously as the CompleteMonster he truly is. Fortunately, a good deal of this is reversed in CrisisCore.
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* HamAndCheese: Paul Eiding as Hojo (he's much more subdued in ''CrisisCore''). This is possibly a result of good acting because [[spoiler:after uploading yourself into another person's body in order to become one with a god that you're pretty sure exists]] you've definitely gone batshit at that point, causing some truly WTF things to come out of your mouth.

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* HamAndCheese: Paul Eiding as Hojo (he's much more subdued in ''CrisisCore''). This is possibly a result of good acting because [[spoiler:after uploading yourself into another person's body in order to become one with a god that you're pretty sure exists]] you've definitely gone batshit at that point, causing some truly WTF things to come out of your mouth.



** Also Yuffie in her second appearance. She goes all-out on her introduction when Vincent asks who she is, as she's wearing a cloak, for some unknown reason.

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** Also Yuffie in her second appearance.Yuffie. She goes all-out on her introduction when Vincent asks who she is, as she's wearing a cloak, for some unknown reason.
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* LoveItOrHateIt: It's the OddballInTheSeries for a ''very'' good reason.
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* FetishFuel: Nero the Sable is an EvilBrit who wears a [[BoundAndGagged straightjacket]] and is completely obsessed with his older brother, a WhiteHairedPrettyBoy who goes around [[WalkingShirtlessScene sans shirt at all times]] and is [[ILoveTheDead effectively dead]] at the beginning of the story. Wow.
** Shelke is {{Lolicon}} if [[YourMileageMayVary you're into that sort of thing]]
** Lucrecia's labcoat.
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* CharacterDerailment: A few fans were... disappointed with how ''Dirge of Cerberus'' handled Hojo. He's a [[MadScientist sick]], [[CompleteMonster ''sick'']] man, but he was never as openly crazy in the original game as he was here. He ''did'' go completely nuts in his last hours so maybe [[spoiler:still behaving this way inside of Weiss]] would make sense...only flashbacks to Vincent and Lucretia's past shows him as being a cackling madman ''even back then!''


* CharacterAlignment: Rosso: ChaoticEvil
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* {{Tearjerker}}: Has its moments, though they waver dangerously on {{Narm}}

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* {{Tearjerker}}: Has its moments, though they waver dangerously on {{Narm}}moments...
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* {{Narm}}: Oh dear lord, the Narm...
** Oh dear lord, Vincent...
** "STAY AWAY FROM MY BROTHER!!"
** "Now... I can finally... rest...".
** Genesis' random Spanish accent that vanished in ''CrisisCore''.
*** Thank goodness for small favors.
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** Genesis has some with [[spoiler:Weiss (who he calls "little brother") in the Secret Ending.]]
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** Shalua's death.

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** Shalua's death.fate.



-->Lucrecia: This isn't how it was supposed to be. I've made too many mistakes. And I've hurt you so, so much. Why did I do what I did? I'm so sorry. But I'm so happy you survived.

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-->Lucrecia: -->'''Lucrecia''': This isn't how it was supposed to be. I've made too many mistakes. And I've hurt you so, so much. Why did I do what I did? I'm so sorry. But I'm so happy you survived.
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* FashionVictimVillain: Oh, where do we start? Nero's face jockstrap? Weiss's karate pants? The Deepground soldiers' Mako-infused glowing uniforms ([[spoiler:they'll die without Mako infusions]])? Rosso's butt-cape and Azul's horse blanket? Heck, even Vincent's Chaos form might count as a ''heroic'' example.
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* JerkassWoobie: One way of looking at Lucrecia's behavior.
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** How exactly is this YMMV when it was obviously, ''obviously'' intentional?
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Depending on your point of view Lucrecia can come across as either a remorseful victim of Hojo's insanity looking to make amends for harming the only man who ever really loved her, or as a callous heartbreaker who strung Vincent along for years, [[spoiler:accidentally killed his father]], dumped him for Hojo, then experimented on her own son ''in utero'' then sealed herself inside a crystal because she just couldn't live with herself any more. And Vincent ''still'' loves her.



* CharacterDerailment: A few fans were... disappointed with how ''Dirge of Cerberus'' handled Hojo. He was more in line with his original characterization in ''CrisisCore''.

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* CharacterDerailment: A few fans were... disappointed with how ''Dirge of Cerberus'' handled Hojo. He He's a [[MadScientist sick]], [[CompleteMonster ''sick'']] man, but he was more never as openly crazy in line with his the original characterization game as he was here. He ''did'' go completely nuts in ''CrisisCore''.his last hours so maybe [[spoiler:still behaving this way inside of Weiss]] would make sense...only flashbacks to Vincent and Lucretia's past shows him as being a cackling madman ''even back then!''



* FetishFuel: Nero the Sable is an EvilBrit who wears a [[BoundAndGagged straightjacket]] and is completely obsessed with his older brother, a WhiteHairedPrettyBoy who goes around [[WalkingShirtlessScene sans shirt at all times]] and is [[ILoveTheDead effectively dead]] at the beginning of the story. Wow.
** Shelke is {{Lolicon}} if [[YourMileageMayVary you're into that sort of thing]]
** Lucrecia's labcoat.
* FoeYay: Rosso and Vincent.
* HamAndCheese: Paul Eiding as Hojo (he's much more subdued in ''CrisisCore''). This is possibly a result of good acting because [[spoiler:after uploading yourself into another person's body in order to become one with a god that you're pretty sure exists]] you've definitely gone batshit at that point, causing some truly WTF things to come out of your mouth.



* {{Wangst}}: Vincent.

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* LargeHam: Hojo
** Also Yuffie in her second appearance. She goes all-out on her introduction when Vincent asks who she is, as she's wearing a cloak, for some unknown reason.
* LoveItOrHateIt: It's the OddballInTheSeries for a ''very'' good reason.
* {{Narm}}: Oh dear lord, the Narm...
** Oh dear lord, Vincent...
** "STAY AWAY FROM MY BROTHER!!"
** "Now... I can finally... rest...".
** Genesis' random Spanish accent that vanished in ''CrisisCore''.
*** Thank goodness for small favors.
* {{Tearjerker}}: Has its moments, though they waver dangerously on {{Narm}}
** Shalua's death.
** [[YourMileageMayVary Lucrecia's last talk with Vincent.]] Oh God...
-->Lucrecia: This isn't how it was supposed to be. I've made too many mistakes. And I've hurt you so, so much. Why did I do what I did? I'm so sorry. But I'm so happy you survived.
* VillainDecay: HOJO.
** To elaborate, even though he appears to be just as evil as he was in the original game, he is robbed of most of his actual character traits and becomes far more stereotypical, making it difficult for players to take him seriously as the CompleteMonster he truly is. Fortunately, a good deal of this is reversed in CrisisCore.
* {{Wangst}}: Vincent.Vincent.

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* CrowningMusicOfAwesome: Even if the game itself sucks, you have to admit Masashi Hamauzu did a good job.
** Don't forget about Gackt's absolutely kick-ass songs during the gameplay and the ending credits.

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