Follow TV Tropes

Following

History YMMV / CthulhuMythos

Go To

OR

Added: 745

Changed: 1327

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* BrokenBase: August Derleth's contributions to the Mythos are probably the most divisive. On the one hand, there are numerous fans who will never forgive Derleth for ditching Lovecraft's BlueAndOrangeMorality in favor of BlackAndWhiteMorality. On the other hand, there are still many who find his stories enjoyable, and some of his creations (e.g. Ithaqua) and ideas (e.g. Hastur being one of the Great Old Ones) remain popular. The fact that Derleth's work was hugely influential to a whole generation of Mythos writers only adds fuel to the debate.
%%** Almost all of the works in the Cthulhu Mythos that weren't originally written by Creator/HPLovecraft count for this.

to:

* BrokenBase: BrokenBase:
**
August Derleth's contributions to the Mythos are probably the most divisive. On the one hand, there are numerous fans who will never forgive Derleth for ditching Lovecraft's BlueAndOrangeMorality in favor of BlackAndWhiteMorality. On the other hand, there are still many who find his stories enjoyable, and some of his creations (e.g. Ithaqua) and ideas (e.g. Hastur being one of the Great Old Ones) remain popular. The fact that Derleth's work was hugely influential to a whole generation of Mythos writers only adds fuel to the debate.
%%** Almost all of the works ** In general, how valid in the Cthulhu Mythos that weren't originally written by Creator/HPLovecraft count Creator/HPLovecraft, then and now? Derleth is only the tip of the iceberg -- some will allow anyone ''but'' Derleth's stories, despite Derleth being a contemporary of Lovecraft with an established rapport, while others will only include Lovecraft's initial circle, and yet others will only accept Lovecraft's own stories. Reasons range from OnlyTheCreatorDoesItRight for this.Lovecraft-only readers, a preference for works made with Lovecraft's input, to Derleth injecting mere morality into a universe that repeatedly revolves around the idea that TheseAreThingsManWasNotMeantToKnow and is inherently hostile to human life a bad attempt at making it LighterAndSofter.



** The second biggest is the idea that Lovecraftian abominations could all drive people crazy as a result of some kind of power, as if they could drain a video game SanityMeter. There is very little evidence for this in the text itself. It is true that losing one's sanity is a common enough occurrence in Lovecraft's works, but it doesn't always happen to characters who saw an EldritchAbomination. Some simply can't handle the existence of comparatively mundane fish-men, ape-like creatures or cannibal cults either (as in ''The Shadow over Innsmouth'', "Arthur Jermyn", and "The Rats in the Walls", respectively), and it helps that many Lovecraft characters are mentally weak to begin with. As for the eldritch beings, some of them, like Cthulhu, are known to mess up with people's dreams, but the notion that the mere sight of them would break anyone's mind is, at best, an exaggeration[[note]]of the two sailors who survive the encounter in "The Call of Cthulhu", one does go mad and die, but the other recovers quickly and escapes[[/note]]. Besides that, many of Lovecraft's protagonists simply never went insane at all, even after encountering or [[DidYouJustPunchOutCthulhu punching out]] cosmic monstrosities, like in "The Dunwich Horror". Whenever a protagonist genuinely did GoMadFromTheRevelation, it was usually after a prolonged period of physical and mental duress, of which the sight of the horror is simply the final straw, as in ''At the Mountains of Madness'' and "Dagon". Even then, of the two characters from ''At the Mountains of Madness'' who actually saw the shoggoth[[note]]on top of trekking for ages in the harsh Antarctic mountains, losing members of their party, being deprived of sleep, water, and food, and learning that mankind was created by aliens[[/note]], only one of them went mad from the experience. And that was only after seeing [[RiddleForTheAges something else that he won't tell anyone about]]. Simply learning about the Great Old Ones, or seeing them without any context, does nothing to one's sanity whatsoever. One character carefully pored through the ''Necronomicon'' several times and kept his sanity intact, as he viewed it no different from any mythological text which describes things that do not really exist. Heck, one Great Old One (Rhan-Tegoth) was able to be stuck in a wax museum disguised as a statue, and no one even caught on to the fact that he wasn't wax, much less went insane just from looking at him.
** The idea that humanity was totally insignificant before various alien horrors. While it was key to Lovecraft's works that we ''were'' insignificant, what seems to be missed in the pop version is that ''so were the alien horrors''. Not all of them were Azathoth or Yog-Sothoth. More often than not, [[DidYouJustPunchOutCthulhu the protagonists would stop]] or at least survive whatever the alien threat was. Even Nyarlathotep wasn't immune to getting [[DidYouJustScamCthulhu tricked by a human]], to the point that ''The Dream-Quest of Unknown Kadath'' ends with the Crawling Chaos brooding over his defeat. ''Call of Cthulhu'' has a cultist remarking that, while the rise of the Old Ones can't be stopped, by the time they come back we'll have learned so much and would have become so powerful that "mankind would have become as the Great Old Ones."

to:

** The second biggest is the idea that Lovecraftian abominations could all drive people crazy as a result of some kind of power, as if they could drain a video game SanityMeter. There is very little evidence for this in the text itself. It is true that losing one's sanity is a common enough occurrence in Lovecraft's works, but it doesn't always happen to characters who saw an EldritchAbomination. Some simply can't handle the existence of comparatively mundane fish-men, ape-like creatures or cannibal cults either (as in ''The Shadow over Innsmouth'', "Arthur Jermyn", and "The Rats in the Walls", respectively), and it helps that many Lovecraft characters are mentally weak to begin with. As for the eldritch beings, some of them, like Cthulhu, are known to mess up with people's dreams, but the notion that the mere sight of them would break anyone's mind is, at best, an exaggeration[[note]]of the two sailors who survive the encounter in "The Call of Cthulhu", one does go mad and die, dies from something that might be an aneurysm or stroke, but the other recovers quickly and escapes[[/note]]. Besides that, many of Lovecraft's protagonists simply never went insane at all, even after encountering or [[DidYouJustPunchOutCthulhu punching out]] cosmic monstrosities, like in "The Dunwich Horror". Whenever a protagonist genuinely did GoMadFromTheRevelation, it was usually after a prolonged period of physical and mental duress, of which the sight of the horror is simply the final straw, as in ''At the Mountains of Madness'' and "Dagon". Even then, of the two characters from ''At the Mountains of Madness'' who actually saw the shoggoth[[note]]on top of trekking for ages in the harsh Antarctic mountains, losing members of their party, being deprived of sleep, water, and food, and learning that mankind was created by aliens[[/note]], only one of them went mad from the experience.experience, and wound up mostly being successfully treated for it. And that was only after seeing [[RiddleForTheAges something else that he won't tell anyone about]]. Simply learning about the Great Old Ones, or seeing them without any context, does nothing to one's sanity whatsoever. One character carefully pored through the ''Necronomicon'' several times and kept his sanity intact, as he viewed it no different from any mythological text which describes things that do not really exist. Heck, one Great Old One (Rhan-Tegoth) was able to be stuck in a wax museum disguised as a statue, and no one even caught on to the fact that he wasn't wax, much less went insane just from looking at him.
** The idea that humanity was totally insignificant before various alien horrors. While it was key to Lovecraft's works that we ''were'' insignificant, what seems to be missed in the pop version is that ''so were the alien horrors''. Not all of them were Azathoth or Yog-Sothoth. More often than not, [[DidYouJustPunchOutCthulhu the protagonists would stop]] or at least survive whatever the alien threat was. Even Nyarlathotep wasn't immune to getting [[DidYouJustScamCthulhu tricked by a human]], to the point that ''The Dream-Quest of Unknown Kadath'' ends with the Crawling Chaos brooding over his defeat. ''Call of Cthulhu'' has a cultist remarking that, while the rise of the Old Ones can't be stopped, by the time they come back we'll have learned so much and would have become so powerful that "mankind would have become as the Great Old Ones."Ones", albeit with the implication that the cultists believe humanity would need to be as amoral as how they perceive the Great Old Ones to attain power.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** Cthulhu has so little role in Lovecraft's work, yet is the most famous now. The fact that he lent his name to the franchise should be evidence enough. It helps that Lovecraft himself seems to have been fond of him, as he often name-dropped Cthulhu his writings (including his own stories, his revisions, and letters to his friends).

to:

** Cthulhu has so little role in Lovecraft's work, yet is the most famous now. The fact that he lent his name to the franchise should be evidence enough. It helps that Lovecraft himself seems to have been fond of him, as he often name-dropped Cthulhu in his writings (including his own stories, his revisions, and letters to his friends).
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
My mistake, it's actually Aphoom-Zhah who is the son of Cthugha


** The term ''Fire Vampires'' were first used for Fthaggua's servitors. Later, Lin Carter used the term to describe Cthugha's Flame creatures (while making Fthaggua himself a son of Cthugha), and it became the depiction that most associate with, popularized by ''TabletopGame/CallOfCthulhu''.

to:

** The term ''Fire Vampires'' were first used for Fthaggua's servitors. Later, Lin Carter used the term to describe Cthugha's Flame creatures (while making Fthaggua himself a son of Cthugha), creatures, and it became the depiction that most associate with, popularized by ''TabletopGame/CallOfCthulhu''.

Added: 261

Removed: 322

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* ItsPopularNowItSucks : Some consider the character of Cthulhu to be so overused and well-known that he's become a cliché of the CosmicHorrorStory genre. Fortunately, there's plenty of other monsters and villains in the Mythos for writers to use to avert this.



* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: Similar to Slender Man in present day, some consider the character of Cthulhu to be so overused and [[ItsPopularNowItSucks well-known]] that he's become a cliché of the CosmicHorrorStory genre. Fortunately, there's plenty of other monsters and villains in the Mythos for writers to use to avert this.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Grammar


* ValuesDissonance: There's no real beating around the bush; Lovecraft himself was an unabashedly racist man even by the standards of the era he was born into, and this, unfortunately, reflects a lot in his writing. 'Savages' are some of the ''nicer'' things he uses to refer to non-white people, and racial slurs being thrown around by his protagonists are unfortunately really common, as is (almost) every non-white character in his stories either being a villain, or part of a cult for one of the elder gods. Even the rare sympathetic portrayals, such as Chief Grey Eagle, still have racist tropes attached to them (in his case MagicalNativeAmerican and TontoTalk). Needless to say, this can make getting into the mythos by reading his original writing incredibly uncomfortable.

to:

* ValuesDissonance: There's no real beating around the bush; Lovecraft himself was an unabashedly racist man even by the standards of the era he was born into, and this, unfortunately, reflects a lot in his writing. 'Savages' are some is one of the ''nicer'' things words he uses to refer to non-white people, and racial slurs being thrown around by his protagonists are unfortunately really common, as is (almost) every non-white character in his stories either being a villain, or part of a cult for one of the elder gods. Even the rare sympathetic portrayals, such as Chief Grey Eagle, still have racist tropes attached to them (in his case MagicalNativeAmerican and TontoTalk). Needless to say, this can make getting into the mythos by reading his original writing incredibly uncomfortable.

Changed: 1064

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Comment out a Zero Context Example.


* BrokenBase: Almost all of the works in the Cthulhu Mythos that weren't originally written by Creator/HPLovecraft count for this.
** August Derleth's contributions to the Mythos are probably the most divisive. On the one hand, there are numerous fans who will never forgive Derleth for ditching Lovecraft's BlueAndOrangeMorality in favor of BlackAndWhiteMorality. On the other hand, there are still many who find his stories enjoyable, and some of his creations (e.g. Ithaqua) and ideas (e.g. Hastur being one of the Great Old Ones) remain popular. The fact that Derleth's work was hugely influential to a whole generation of Mythos writers only adds fuel to the debate.

to:

* BrokenBase: Almost all of the works in the Cthulhu Mythos that weren't originally written by Creator/HPLovecraft count for this.
**
August Derleth's contributions to the Mythos are probably the most divisive. On the one hand, there are numerous fans who will never forgive Derleth for ditching Lovecraft's BlueAndOrangeMorality in favor of BlackAndWhiteMorality. On the other hand, there are still many who find his stories enjoyable, and some of his creations (e.g. Ithaqua) and ideas (e.g. Hastur being one of the Great Old Ones) remain popular. The fact that Derleth's work was hugely influential to a whole generation of Mythos writers only adds fuel to the debate.debate.
%%** Almost all of the works in the Cthulhu Mythos that weren't originally written by Creator/HPLovecraft count for this.

Added: 128

Changed: 3214

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* CommonKnowledge: There are many misconceptions about the Cthulhu Mythos, usually perpetuated by later writers such as Dereleth.

to:

** August Derleth's contributions to the Mythos are probably the most divisive. On the one hand, there are numerous fans who will never forgive Derleth for ditching Lovecraft's BlueAndOrangeMorality in favor of BlackAndWhiteMorality. On the other hand, there are still many who find his stories enjoyable, and some of his creations (e.g. Ithaqua) and ideas (e.g. Hastur being one of the Great Old Ones) remain popular. The fact that Derleth's work was hugely influential to a whole generation of Mythos writers only adds fuel to the debate.
* CommonKnowledge: There are many misconceptions about the Cthulhu Mythos, usually perpetuated by later writers such as Dereleth.Derleth.



** The second biggest is the idea that Lovecraftian abominations could all drive people crazy as a result of some kind of power, as if they could drain a video game SanityMeter. There is zero evidence for this in the text itself. Lovecraft's protagonists often lost a bit of sanity for the mundane reason of "that monster is really ugly", but that's the closest they came. It helps that most of his protagonists were mentally weak to begin with. Besides that, many of his protagonists simply never went insane at all after encountering or [[DidYouJustPunchOutCthulhu punching out]] various cosmic horrors (e.g. ''Call of Cthulhu'' and ''The Dunwich Horror''). Whenever a character genuinely did GoMadFromTheRevelation, there was always a very specific reason for it (such as the narrator of ''Shadow Over Innsmouth'' learning he's part Deep One and currently changing into one, or the narrator of ''At The Mountains of Madness'' learning that aliens exist and might have spawned humanity, when he presumably thought like most in his time that a benevolent god has created humanity alone and in His image). ''At The Mountains of Madness'' has the protagonists encountering the Elder Things and shoggoths, after having trekked for ages, lost members of their party, being deprived of sleep, water, or food, on top of being stressed and likely having hypothermia. They "just" went temporarily bugnuts from stress, then went home and made a fortune selling books. Another character in the stories had carefully pored through the ''Necronomicon'' several times and kept his sanity intact, as he viewed it no different from any mythological text which describes things that do not really exist. Heck, one Great Old One (Rhan-Tegoth) was able to be stuck in a wax museum disguised as a statue, and no one even caught on to the fact that he wasn't wax, much less went insane just from looking at him.

to:

** The second biggest is the idea that Lovecraftian abominations could all drive people crazy as a result of some kind of power, as if they could drain a video game SanityMeter. There is zero very little evidence for this in the text itself. It is true that losing one's sanity is a common enough occurrence in Lovecraft's protagonists often lost a bit of sanity for works, but it doesn't always happen to characters who saw an EldritchAbomination. Some simply can't handle the existence of comparatively mundane reason of "that monster is really ugly", but that's fish-men, ape-like creatures or cannibal cults either (as in ''The Shadow over Innsmouth'', "Arthur Jermyn", and "The Rats in the closest they came. It Walls", respectively), and it helps that most of his protagonists were many Lovecraft characters are mentally weak to begin with. As for the eldritch beings, some of them, like Cthulhu, are known to mess up with people's dreams, but the notion that the mere sight of them would break anyone's mind is, at best, an exaggeration[[note]]of the two sailors who survive the encounter in "The Call of Cthulhu", one does go mad and die, but the other recovers quickly and escapes[[/note]]. Besides that, many of his Lovecraft's protagonists simply never went insane at all all, even after encountering or [[DidYouJustPunchOutCthulhu punching out]] various cosmic horrors (e.g. ''Call of Cthulhu'' and ''The monstrosities, like in "The Dunwich Horror''). Horror". Whenever a character protagonist genuinely did GoMadFromTheRevelation, there it was always usually after a very specific reason for it (such as prolonged period of physical and mental duress, of which the narrator sight of ''Shadow Over Innsmouth'' learning he's part Deep One and currently changing into one, or the narrator of horror is simply the final straw, as in ''At The the Mountains of Madness'' learning that aliens exist and might have spawned humanity, when he presumably thought like most in his time that a benevolent god has created humanity alone and in His image). "Dagon". Even then, of the two characters from ''At The the Mountains of Madness'' has who actually saw the protagonists encountering shoggoth[[note]]on top of trekking for ages in the Elder Things and shoggoths, after having trekked for ages, lost harsh Antarctic mountains, losing members of their party, being deprived of sleep, water, or and food, on top of being stressed and likely having hypothermia. They "just" learning that mankind was created by aliens[[/note]], only one of them went temporarily bugnuts mad from stress, then went home and made a fortune selling books. Another the experience. And that was only after seeing [[RiddleForTheAges something else that he won't tell anyone about]]. Simply learning about the Great Old Ones, or seeing them without any context, does nothing to one's sanity whatsoever. One character in the stories had carefully pored through the ''Necronomicon'' several times and kept his sanity intact, as he viewed it no different from any mythological text which describes things that do not really exist. Heck, one Great Old One (Rhan-Tegoth) was able to be stuck in a wax museum disguised as a statue, and no one even caught on to the fact that he wasn't wax, much less went insane just from looking at him.



* CreepyAwesome: Any and all of the gods.

to:

* CreepyAwesome: Any and all of the gods. Even Nodens, who has been known to protect humans occasionally, still has the sinister title of Lord of the Great Abyss.



** Cthulhu has so little role in Lovecraft's work, yet is the most famous now. The fact that he lent his name to the franchise should be evidence enough.

to:

** Cthulhu has so little role in Lovecraft's work, yet is the most famous now. The fact that he lent his name to the franchise should be evidence enough. It helps that Lovecraft himself seems to have been fond of him, as he often name-dropped Cthulhu his writings (including his own stories, his revisions, and letters to his friends).



%%* EvilIsCool: Nyarlathotep

to:

%%* * EvilIsCool: Nyarlathotep Nyarlathotep. Even in the original stories, in which most of the gods are more accurately described as indifferent to mankind than outright evil, he was presented as a manipulative FauxAffablyEvil figure, which makes him stand out from the crowd and contributes to his popularity.



** Non-Euclidian Geometry [[labelnote:Explanation]]Used by Lovecraft to describe supposedly impossible or strange angles.[[/labelnote]]

to:

** Non-Euclidian Geometry [[labelnote:Explanation]]Used by Lovecraft and others, like Frank Belknap Long, to describe supposedly impossible or strange angles.[[/labelnote]]



** The term ''Fire Vampires'' were first used for Fthaggua's servitors. Latter, ''TabletopGame/CallOfCthulhu'' used the term to describe Cthugha's Flame creatures, and became the depiction that most associate with.

to:

** The term ''Fire Vampires'' were first used for Fthaggua's servitors. Latter, ''TabletopGame/CallOfCthulhu'' Later, Lin Carter used the term to describe Cthugha's Flame creatures, creatures (while making Fthaggua himself a son of Cthugha), and it became the depiction that most associate with.with, popularized by ''TabletopGame/CallOfCthulhu''.



* ValuesDissonance: There's no real beating around the bush; Lovecraft himself was an unabashedly racist man even by the standards of the era he was born into, and this, unfortunately, reflects a lot in his writing. 'Savages' are some of the ''nicer'' things he uses to refer to non-white people, and racial slurs being thrown around by his protagonists are unfortunately really common, as is every non-white character in his stories either being a villain, or part of a cult for one of the elder gods. Needless to say, this can make getting into the mythos by reading his original writing incredibly uncomfortable.

to:

* ValuesDissonance: There's no real beating around the bush; Lovecraft himself was an unabashedly racist man even by the standards of the era he was born into, and this, unfortunately, reflects a lot in his writing. 'Savages' are some of the ''nicer'' things he uses to refer to non-white people, and racial slurs being thrown around by his protagonists are unfortunately really common, as is (almost) every non-white character in his stories either being a villain, or part of a cult for one of the elder gods.gods. Even the rare sympathetic portrayals, such as Chief Grey Eagle, still have racist tropes attached to them (in his case MagicalNativeAmerican and TontoTalk). Needless to say, this can make getting into the mythos by reading his original writing incredibly uncomfortable.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** The second biggest is the idea that Lovecraftian abominations could all drive people crazy as a result of some kind of power, as if they could drain a video game SanityMeter. There is zero evidence for this in the text itself. Lovecraft's protagonists often lost a bit of sanity for the mundane reason of "that monster is really ugly", but that's the closest they came. It helps that most of his protagonists were mentally weak to begin with. Besides that, many of his protagonists simply never went insane at all after encountering or [[DidYouJustPunchOutCthulhu punching out]] various cosmic horrors (e.g. ''Call of Cthulhu'' and ''The Dunwich Horror''). Whenever a character genuinely did GoMadFromTheRevelation, there was always a very specific reason for it (such as the narrator of ''Shadow Over Innsmouth'' learning he's part Deep One and currently changing into one, or the narrator of ''At The Mountains of Madness'' learning that aliens exist and might have spawned humanity, when he presumably thought like most in his time that a benevolent god has created humanity alone and in His image). ''At The Mountains of Madness'' has the protagonists encountering the Elder Things and shoggoths, after having trekked for ages, lost members of their party, being deprived of sleep, water, or food, on top of being stressed and likely having hypothermia. They "just" went temporarily bugnuts from stress, then went home and made a fortune selling books. Another character in the stories had carefully pored through the ''Necronomicon'' multiple times and kept his sanity intact, as he viewed it no different from any mythological text which describes things that do not really exist. Heck, one Great Old One (Rhan-Tegoth) was able to be stuck in a wax museum disguised as a statue, and no one even caught on to the fact that he wasn't wax, much less went insane just from looking at him.

to:

** The second biggest is the idea that Lovecraftian abominations could all drive people crazy as a result of some kind of power, as if they could drain a video game SanityMeter. There is zero evidence for this in the text itself. Lovecraft's protagonists often lost a bit of sanity for the mundane reason of "that monster is really ugly", but that's the closest they came. It helps that most of his protagonists were mentally weak to begin with. Besides that, many of his protagonists simply never went insane at all after encountering or [[DidYouJustPunchOutCthulhu punching out]] various cosmic horrors (e.g. ''Call of Cthulhu'' and ''The Dunwich Horror''). Whenever a character genuinely did GoMadFromTheRevelation, there was always a very specific reason for it (such as the narrator of ''Shadow Over Innsmouth'' learning he's part Deep One and currently changing into one, or the narrator of ''At The Mountains of Madness'' learning that aliens exist and might have spawned humanity, when he presumably thought like most in his time that a benevolent god has created humanity alone and in His image). ''At The Mountains of Madness'' has the protagonists encountering the Elder Things and shoggoths, after having trekked for ages, lost members of their party, being deprived of sleep, water, or food, on top of being stressed and likely having hypothermia. They "just" went temporarily bugnuts from stress, then went home and made a fortune selling books. Another character in the stories had carefully pored through the ''Necronomicon'' multiple several times and kept his sanity intact, as he viewed it no different from any mythological text which describes things that do not really exist. Heck, one Great Old One (Rhan-Tegoth) was able to be stuck in a wax museum disguised as a statue, and no one even caught on to the fact that he wasn't wax, much less went insane just from looking at him.

Changed: 121

Removed: 174

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Repair Dont Respond. Also comment out a nearby ZCE


* EveryoneIsJesusInPurgatory: Interpreting the end of ''Literature/TheDunwichHorror'' to be a parody of the Crucifixion.
** Until you [[https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Dunwich_Horror re-read it]], and realize that it ''undoubtedly IS'' a parody of the Crucifixion...
* EvilIsCool: Nyarlathotep

to:

* EveryoneIsJesusInPurgatory: Interpreting the end of ''Literature/TheDunwichHorror'' to be a parody of the Crucifixion.
** Until you [[https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Dunwich_Horror re-read it]], and realize that it ''undoubtedly IS'' a parody of the Crucifixion...
*
%%* EvilIsCool: Nyarlathotep
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Non-Euclidean gemoetry is more complicated than just "geometry on a curves surface", and three-dimensional non-Euclidean geometry would be pretty alien. (The Overly Sarcastic Productions video claiming that Lovecraft didn't understand non-Euclidean geometry oversimplified it to the point of getting it wrong.)


** Non-Euclidian Geometry [[labelnote:Explanation]]Used by Lovecraft to describe supposedly impossible or strange angles. However, non-euclidian geometry is just geometry on a curved surface like a sphere, making this a massive case of both ArtisticLicensePhysics and WritersCannotDoMath.[[/labelnote]]

to:

** Non-Euclidian Geometry [[labelnote:Explanation]]Used by Lovecraft to describe supposedly impossible or strange angles. However, non-euclidian geometry is just geometry on a curved surface like a sphere, making this a massive case of both ArtisticLicensePhysics and WritersCannotDoMath.[[/labelnote]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* EvilIsCool: Nyarlathotep
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* {{Fanon}}: A lot of the "mythos" could be considered this, since so much was built up by later authors, rather than Lovecraft and his contemporaries. Of particular note is the belief that "Dagon" is a Lovecraftian God and a servant of Cthulhu. Pretty much any reference Lovecraft makes to "Dagon" in his own stories could be read as in-universe mythological allusions, out-of-universe mythological allusions, or a code name used by Cthulhu worshippers to avoid attracting attention.

to:

* {{Fanon}}: A lot of the "mythos" could be considered this, since so much was built up by later authors, rather than Lovecraft and his contemporaries. Of particular note is the belief that "Dagon" is a Lovecraftian God and a servant of Cthulhu. Pretty much any reference Lovecraft makes to "Dagon" in his own stories could be read as in-universe mythological allusions, out-of-universe mythological allusions, allusions (both of which presumably to the Canaanite deity named Dagon who is mentioned once in the Bible), or a code name used by Cthulhu worshippers to avoid attracting attention.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* FriendlyFandoms: The franchise is popular with HeavyMetal fans and artists and said genre has been one of the most prolific mediums when it comes to representing Cthulhu and its mythos, thanks to songs like ''The Thing That Should Not Be'' by Music/{{Metallica}}, ''Behind the Wall of Sleep'' by Music/BlackSabbath, ''Horror of Yig'' by Music/{{GWAR}}, ''Thy Horror Classic'' by Music/TheBlackDahliaMurder, and ''Beneath Oceans of Eternal Sand'' by Music/{{Nile}}.

to:

* FriendlyFandoms: The franchise is popular with HeavyMetal fans and artists and said genre has been one of the most prolific mediums when it comes to representing Cthulhu and its mythos, mythos to the fandom's appreciation, thanks to songs like ''The Thing That Should Not Be'' by Music/{{Metallica}}, ''Behind the Wall of Sleep'' by Music/BlackSabbath, ''Horror of Yig'' by Music/{{GWAR}}, ''Thy Horror Classic'' by Music/TheBlackDahliaMurder, and ''Beneath Oceans of Eternal Sand'' by Music/{{Nile}}.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* FriendlyFandoms: The franchise is popular with HeavyMetal fans and artists and said genre has been one of the most prolific mediums when it comes to representing Cthulhu and its mythos, thanks to songs like ''The Thing That Should Not Be'' by Music/{{Metallica}}, ''Behind the Wall of Sleep'' by Music/BlackSabbath, ''Horror of Yig'' by Music/{{GWAR}}, ''Thy Horror Classic'' by Music/TheBlackDahliaMurder, and ''Beneath Oceans of Eternal Sand'' by Music/{{Nile}}.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* GermansLoveHasselhoff: [[https://lovecraftzine.com/2013/01/09/the-cthulhu-mythos-in-japan/ The franchise is very popular]] in Japan to the point that it had a huge influence on many Japanese works.

to:

* GermansLoveHasselhoff: GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff: [[https://lovecraftzine.com/2013/01/09/the-cthulhu-mythos-in-japan/ The franchise is very popular]] in Japan to the point that it had a huge influence on many Japanese works.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* GermansLoveHasselhoff: [[https://lovecraftzine.com/2013/01/09/the-cthulhu-mythos-in-japan/ The franchise is very popular]] in Japan to the point that it had a huge influence on many Japanese works.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Up To Eleven is a defunct trope


* ValuesDissonance: There's no real beating around the bush; Lovecraft himself was an unabashedly racist man [[UpToEleven even by the standards of the era he was born into,]] and this, unfortunately, reflects a lot in his writing. 'Savages' are some of the ''nicer'' things he uses to refer to non-white people, and racial slurs being thrown around by his protagonists are unfortunately really common, as is every non-white character in his stories either being a villain, or part of a cult for one of the elder gods. Needless to say, this can make getting into the mythos by reading his original writing incredibly uncomfortable.

to:

* ValuesDissonance: There's no real beating around the bush; Lovecraft himself was an unabashedly racist man [[UpToEleven even by the standards of the era he was born into,]] into, and this, unfortunately, reflects a lot in his writing. 'Savages' are some of the ''nicer'' things he uses to refer to non-white people, and racial slurs being thrown around by his protagonists are unfortunately really common, as is every non-white character in his stories either being a villain, or part of a cult for one of the elder gods. Needless to say, this can make getting into the mythos by reading his original writing incredibly uncomfortable.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

** Lovecraft's Cat's Name[[labelnote:Explanation]]His cat was called, well, [[https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/hp-lovecrafts-cat read it for yourself.]] Because of how horribly racist it is, it's common for people to dance around the issue of the cat's name and treat it as eldritch knowledge that can drive a man mad.[[/labelnote]]
** Mysterious colors unlike anything seen on Earth [[labelnote:Explanation]]A phrase often repeated in some of Lovecraft's works, particularly ''The Colour Out of Space''. Often mocked for being a ridiculous concept, since a color unlike anything we've seen on Earth would probably not be visible to human eyes.[[/labelnote]]
** Non-Euclidian Geometry [[labelnote:Explanation]]Used by Lovecraft to describe supposedly impossible or strange angles. However, non-euclidian geometry is just geometry on a curved surface like a sphere, making this a massive case of both ArtisticLicensePhysics and WritersCannotDoMath.[[/labelnote]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* FanworkOnlyFans: Many people are fans of the Cthulhu Mythos and its many related works while avoiding the original stories of Creator/HPLovecraft that inspired it, rejecting the works for the author's racism and xenophobia. Indeed, some popular offshoot works such as Literature/LovecraftCountry can easily be described as DeconstructionFic for Lovecraft's white supremacist perspective.

to:

* FanworkOnlyFans: Many people are fans of the Cthulhu Mythos and its many related works while avoiding the original stories of Creator/HPLovecraft that inspired it, rejecting the works for the author's racism and xenophobia. Indeed, some popular offshoot works such as Literature/LovecraftCountry ''Literature/LovecraftCountry'' and ''Literature/TheBalladOfBlackTom'' can easily be described as DeconstructionFic for Lovecraft's white supremacist perspective.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* FanworkOnlyFans: Many people are fans of the Cthulhu Mythos and its many related works while avoiding the original stories of Creator/HPLovecraft that inspired it, rejecting the works for the author's racism and xenophobia. Indeed, some popular offshoot works such as Literature/LovecraftCountry can easily be described as DeconstructionFic for Lovecraft's white supremacist perspective.

Added: 928

Changed: 460

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Virtually all modern stories set in the Cthulhu Mythos assume the protagonists of Lovecraft's original stories were [[UnreliableNarrator Unreliable Narrators]] due to their racist views. Another interpretation that's been used in stories like ''Literature/TheBalladOfBlackTom'' and ''Literature/LovecraftCountry'' is that racial minorities are more willing to deal with the EldritchAbomination not because they are "primitive," but because they are desperate.

to:

* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: AlternateCharacterInterpretation:
**
Virtually all modern stories set in the Cthulhu Mythos assume the protagonists of Lovecraft's original stories were [[UnreliableNarrator Unreliable Narrators]] due to their racist views. Another interpretation that's been used in stories like ''Literature/TheBalladOfBlackTom'' and ''Literature/LovecraftCountry'' is that racial minorities are more willing to deal with the EldritchAbomination not because they are "primitive," but because they are desperate.desperate.
** Lovecraft was rather vague about Azathoth in his writings, with much information about him coming from later writers for the Mythos. Perhaps he lost his sanity in an untold cosmic war, perhaps he's subordinate to an even more powerful god we can't begin to imagine. One interpretation is that, seeing how the whole Mythos exist within Azathoth's dreams, [[HumansAreCthulhu perhaps Azathoth is the reader themselves with the Mythos existing in our imagination]]?

Top