History YMMV / CinemaSins

13th Apr '18 9:54:37 PM maxwellsilver
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** Even among fans of the franchise, there's debate over which "style" of Cinema Sins is better. The Old Format was shorter and focused more on actual FridgeLogic, while the new format has longer videos with many of the sins falling under RuleOfFunny or nitpicking, or outright {{Critical Research Error}}s.

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** Even among fans of the franchise, there's debate over which "style" of Cinema Sins is better. The Old Format was shorter and focused more on actual FridgeLogic, while the new format has longer videos with many of the sins falling under RuleOfFunny or nitpicking, or outright {{Critical Research Error}}s.Failure}}s.
13th Apr '18 9:54:15 PM maxwellsilver
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** Even among fans of the franchise, there's debate over which "style" of Cinema Sins is better. The Old Format was shorter and focused more on actual FridgeLogic, while the new format has longer videos with many of the sins falling under RuleOfFunny or nitpicking, or outright {{Critical Research Error}s.

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** Even among fans of the franchise, there's debate over which "style" of Cinema Sins is better. The Old Format was shorter and focused more on actual FridgeLogic, while the new format has longer videos with many of the sins falling under RuleOfFunny or nitpicking, or outright {{Critical Research Error}s.Error}}s.
13th Apr '18 9:53:46 PM maxwellsilver
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** Even among fans of the franchise, there's debate over which "style" of Cinema Sins is better. The Old Format was shorter and focused more on actual FridgeLogic, while the new format has longer videos with many of the sins falling under RuleOfFunny or nitpicking.
** Jeremy's Dear Hollywood videos already have this going due to his abrasive attitude, but the "F*ck Disney" and "F*ck Hollywood" videos in particular are divisive due to Jeremy accusing the industry of killing creativity over remakes and sequels and proclaiming that people who enjoy these films and other remakes and sequels [[OpinionMyopia are doing so as well.]] This sparked debate between people who agreed with him and those angry at him for overreacting and making a myopic statement, noting that remakes and sequels are nothing new and on how bad original works are nothing to praise. After all, he still finds plenty of sins with films that are more original. Another crowd even sees him as borderline hypocritical, noting that Jeremy has branched ''WebVideo/CinemaSins'' into multiple forms such as Music Video Sins and makes a living nitpicking off the work of others.

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** Even among fans of the franchise, there's debate over which "style" of Cinema Sins is better. The Old Format was shorter and focused more on actual FridgeLogic, while the new format has longer videos with many of the sins falling under RuleOfFunny or nitpicking.nitpicking, or outright {{Critical Research Error}s.
** Jeremy's Dear Hollywood videos already have this going due to his abrasive attitude, but the "F*ck Disney" and "F*ck Hollywood" videos in particular are divisive due to Jeremy accusing the industry of killing creativity over remakes and sequels and proclaiming that people who enjoy these films and other remakes and sequels [[OpinionMyopia are doing so as well.]] This sparked debate between people who agreed with him and those angry at him for overreacting and making a myopic statement, noting that remakes and sequels are nothing new and on how bad original works are nothing to praise. After all, he still finds plenty of sins with films that are more original. Another crowd even sees him as borderline hypocritical, noting that Jeremy has branched ''WebVideo/CinemaSins'' into multiple forms such as Music Video Sins and makes a living nitpicking off the work of others.others, or the fact both he and Chris got their start writing clickbait articles, which hollows his "dumbing down of entertainment" complaint.



*** For that matter, Jeremy becoming more political in later videos, which is split between those who agree with his views and those who don't. Those who disagree with his views argue that while he has every right to voice his views and opinions, a web series whose premise is identifying flaws in movies is hardly the appropriate place.



* FunnyAneurysmMoment: The Music Video Sins video of "Last Christmas", released just days before [[Music/GeorgeMichael George Michael]]'s death on Christmas Day 2016.
* HarsherInHindsight: One of the stingers for ''Justin Bieber: Never Say Never'' features the bit from ''Film/Godzilla1998'' where Madison Square Garden gets blown up, presumably during the concert. It seems less funny after [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Manchester_Arena_bombing the bombing of an Ariana Grande concert in Manchester in 2017]].

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* FunnyAneurysmMoment: The Music Video Sins video of "Last Christmas", released just days before [[Music/GeorgeMichael George Michael]]'s death on Christmas Day 2016.
* HarsherInHindsight:
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One of the stingers for ''Justin Bieber: Never Say Never'' features the bit from ''Film/Godzilla1998'' where Madison Square Garden gets blown up, presumably during the concert. It seems less funny after [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Manchester_Arena_bombing the bombing of an Ariana Grande concert in Manchester in 2017]].2017]].
** Jeremy's ''very'' concerned "Oh God, I hope this isn't predicting the future" when he hears that NFFA Supporters in ''Film/ThePurgeElectionYear'' are reacting violently to their candidates losing the electoral vote. A concern during the 2016 US Presidential Election was that Trump's supporters might turn violent if he lost, due to his rhetoric about the election being rigged if he lost. There was actual rioting and violence following the election, though fortunately ''nowhere'' near the extent depicted in ''The Purge'', but by Clinton supporters. [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement And that is all that needs to be said.]]



** Jeremy's ''very'' concerned "Oh god, I hope this isn't predicting the future" when he hears that NFFA Supporters in ''Film/ThePurgeElectionYear'' are reacting violently to their candidates losing the electoral vote. A concern during the 2016 US Presidential Election was that Trump's supporters might turn violent if he lost, due to his rhetoric about the election being rigged if he lost.
15th Mar '18 6:19:22 PM pgj1997
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2nd Mar '18 7:56:21 AM JamesAustin
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** Jeremy is an example as while most people don't mind him as a narrator, his attitudes in his Dear Hollywood videos regarding the movie industry are either endorsed by fans or lambasted due to his extremely abrasive and judgmental attitude with the Disney video being blatant in this regard. His reactions during the "Review Crew" scandal haven't helped his case either due to actions being seen as petty by some.

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** Jeremy is an example as while most people don't mind him as a narrator, his attitudes in his Dear Hollywood videos regarding the movie industry are either endorsed by fans or lambasted due to his extremely abrasive and judgmental attitude attitude, with the Disney video being blatant in this regard.regard, and found borderline hypocritical in regards of his hate for remakes/sequels/reboots, noting that Jeremy has branched [=CinemaSins=] into multiple forms such as Music Video Sins and Brand Sins. His reactions during the "Review Crew" scandal haven't helped his case either due to actions being seen as petty by some.



** ''Everything Wrong With {{Film/Elektra}}'' points out that the Hand sending more killers after sending Elektra after the same target as "a case of the left The Hand not knowing what the right The Hand is doing". According to ''Series/IronFist'', which belongs in [[{{Series/Daredevil}} the very continuity that Elektra has been inserted back into]], the Hand is already in an EnemyCivilWar.

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** ''Everything Wrong With {{Film/Elektra}}'' Film/{{Elektra}}'' points out that the Hand sending more killers after sending Elektra after the same target as "a case of the left The Hand not knowing what the right The Hand is doing". According to ''Series/IronFist'', ''Series/{{Iron Fist|2017}}'', which belongs in [[{{Series/Daredevil}} [[Series/Daredevil2015 the very continuity that Elektra has been inserted back into]], the Hand is already in an EnemyCivilWar.



** One of the sins for ''Film/DoctorStrange'' is Jeremy wishing that Stan Lee's cameos throughout the MCU told a story. [[spoiler:His cameo in ''Film/GuardiansOfTheGalaxyVol2'' sees him playing a Watcher telling other Watchers stories, including one time when [[Film/CaptainAmericaCivilWar he played a FedEx delivery man]].]]

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** One of the sins for ''Film/DoctorStrange'' ''Film/DoctorStrange2016'' is Jeremy wishing that Stan Lee's cameos throughout the MCU told a story. [[spoiler:His cameo in ''Film/GuardiansOfTheGalaxyVol2'' sees him playing a Watcher telling other Watchers stories, implying that Lee's previous cameos in the MCU we all done by the same Watcher character when including one time when [[Film/CaptainAmericaCivilWar he played a FedEx delivery man]].]]



* MostWonderfulSound: The sound of a rewinding *ding* that comes with sins being taken off.

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* MostWonderfulSound: MostWonderfulSound:
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The sound of a rewinding *ding* that comes with sins being taken off.



* TakeThatScrappy: [[KidAppealCharacter Jar-Jar Binks]] single-handedly earned [[Film/StarWarsThePhantomMenace his film]] over one hundred sins. [[UpToEleven Twice.]]

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* TakeThatScrappy: [[KidAppealCharacter Jar-Jar Binks]] single-handedly earned [[Film/StarWarsThePhantomMenace [[Film/ThePhantomMenace his film]] over one hundred sins. [[UpToEleven Twice.]]



** Jeremy's ''very'' concerned "Oh god, I hope this isn't predicting the future" when he hears that NFFA Supporters in ''Film/ThePurgeElectionYear'' are reacting violently to their candidates losing the electoral vote. A concern during the 2016 US Presidential Election was that Trump's supporters might turn violent if he lost, due to his rhetoric about the election being rigged if he lost. [[note]] Becomes HilariousInHindsight or HarsherInHindsight (depending on your political views) when Trump won and numerous riots did start happening as a result.[[/note]]
* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: The "Like/Dislike" ratio will skew more towards dislike if the creators actually does something different than their regular schtick, especially if they have a Special Guest Voiceover. The guys have now started mocking those who get upset.

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** Jeremy's ''very'' concerned "Oh god, I hope this isn't predicting the future" when he hears that NFFA Supporters in ''Film/ThePurgeElectionYear'' are reacting violently to their candidates losing the electoral vote. A concern during the 2016 US Presidential Election was that Trump's supporters might turn violent if he lost, due to his rhetoric about the election being rigged if he lost. [[note]] Becomes HilariousInHindsight or HarsherInHindsight (depending on your political views) when Trump won and numerous riots did start happening as a result.[[/note]]
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* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: TheyChangedItNowItSucks:
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The "Like/Dislike" ratio will skew more towards dislike if the creators actually does something different than their regular schtick, especially if they have a Special Guest Voiceover. The guys have now started mocking those who get upset.
2nd Mar '18 7:45:46 AM N8han11
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** Nowadays, there are people who think his sins videos have gone from honestly entertaining to petty insulting a movie in every possible angle. The fact that he ignores most other related materials (like books or video games that serve as the movie's base) doesn't help, even though he's trying to sin a movie from a layman moviegoer who hasn't checked those supplemental materials.
2nd Mar '18 7:44:56 AM N8han11
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** In general, the level of scrutiny and nitpicking of any given video is always a hot topic among viewers. Deconstructing movies without actually understanding them (or intentionally ignoring the facts) seldom gives us any reason to laugh. There must usually be something of substance to create comedy or decent criticism, not just bland surface level observations. In comparison, WebVideo/TheNostalgiaCritic uses nit-picking to greater comedic effect and it doesn't become the main focus of his reviews.
2nd Mar '18 7:43:43 AM JamesAustin
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** In general, the level of scrutiny and nitpicking of any given video is always a hot topic among viewers. Deconstructing movies without actually understanding them (or intentionally ignoring the facts) seldom gives us any reason to laugh. There must usually be something of substance to create comedy or decent criticism, not just bland surface level observations. In comparison, the Creator/NostalgiaCritic uses nit-picking to greater comedic effect and it doesn't become the main focus of his reviews.

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** In general, the level of scrutiny and nitpicking of any given video is always a hot topic among viewers. Deconstructing movies without actually understanding them (or intentionally ignoring the facts) seldom gives us any reason to laugh. There must usually be something of substance to create comedy or decent criticism, not just bland surface level observations. In comparison, the Creator/NostalgiaCritic WebVideo/TheNostalgiaCritic uses nit-picking to greater comedic effect and it doesn't become the main focus of his reviews.



*** "Dear Matt Damon & Paul Greengrass - Make Another F*cking Bourne Already". Then Damon and Greengrass actually decided to make another Bourne film, at which point he declared himself in charge of Hollywood and mandated all the changes in his previous videos, plus a few new ones. Fast forward to the [[Film/JasonBourne actual film]], and Jeremy complained briefly about it in a Dear Hollywood while deciding to dedicate a whole video to it. A classic case of BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor if there ever was one.

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*** "Dear Matt Damon & Paul Greengrass - Make Another F*cking Bourne Already". Then When Damon and Greengrass actually decided to make another Bourne film, at which point he Jeremy remembered this and declared himself in charge of Hollywood and mandated all the changes in his previous videos, plus a few new ones. Fast forward to the [[Film/JasonBourne actual film]], film]] receiving mixed reviews, and Jeremy complained briefly about it in a Dear Hollywood while deciding to dedicate a whole video to it. A classic case of BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor if there ever was one.
2nd Mar '18 7:31:55 AM JamesAustin
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*** "Dear Hollywood - Captain America 3 Vs. Batman v Superman." Jeremy goes on a rant about Disney and Warner Bros. announcing ''Film/CaptainAmericaCivilWar'' and ''Film/BatmanVSupermanDawnOfJustice'' to both open on the same exact weekend. He complains about how it is counter-productive and if they were to both carry forward without one moving, they would see diminishing returns. Though, Jeremy ended up predicting wrong which movie would be the one to change dates, he believed it would be Captain America, as he called out Marvel as having "lost your god-damned mind" because apparently no-one cares about ComicBook/CaptainAmerica and ''Franchise/{{Batman}} v Franchise/{{Superman}}'' was absolutely ''guaranteed'' to completely and utterly slaughter ''Civil War'' at the box office. Fast forward a few months and DC blinked first and changed the release date of their movie. Fast forward a few ''more'' months and even Jeremy himself is [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUz096-FGYk regretfully admitting]] that he really, ''really'' doesn't like the look of the new ''Batman v Superman'' trailer and he even predicts it's going to be "the ''Film/TerminatorGenisys'' of 2016". Possibly HarsherInHindsight, depending on your point of view, but considering how passionate he was being to Marvel about what an utterly insane idea pitting ''Civil War'' against ''Batman v Superman'' was, the hubris is particularly sweet. This culminated in the bad reviews and/or overall mixed impression for ''Batman v Superman'', in addition ''Civil War'' receiving critical acclaim and making more money. (To be fair, he had criticized many parts of ''Man of Steel'' and had his doubts about Zak Snyder's directorial prowess as early as 2013).

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*** "Dear Hollywood - Captain America 3 Vs. Batman v Superman." Jeremy goes on a rant about Disney and Warner Bros. announcing ''Film/CaptainAmericaCivilWar'' and ''Film/BatmanVSupermanDawnOfJustice'' to both open on the same exact weekend. He complains about how it is counter-productive and if they were to both carry forward without one moving, they would see diminishing returns. Though, Hovever, Jeremy ended up predicting wrong which movie would be the one to change dates, as even though he had criticized many parts of ''Man of Steel'', he believed it would be Captain America, as he called out Marvel as having "lost your god-damned mind" because apparently no-one cares about ComicBook/CaptainAmerica and ''Franchise/{{Batman}} v Franchise/{{Superman}}'' was absolutely ''guaranteed'' to completely and utterly slaughter ''Civil War'' at the box office. Fast forward a few months and DC blinked first and changed the release date of their movie. Fast forward a few ''more'' months and even Jeremy himself is [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUz096-FGYk regretfully admitting]] that he really, ''really'' doesn't like the look of the new ''Batman v Superman'' trailer and he even predicts it's going to be "the ''Film/TerminatorGenisys'' of 2016". Possibly HarsherInHindsight, depending on your point of view, but considering how passionate he was being to Marvel about what an utterly insane idea pitting ''Civil War'' against ''Batman v Superman'' was, the hubris is particularly sweet. This culminated in the bad reviews and/or overall mixed impression for ''Batman v Superman'', in addition ''Civil War'' receiving critical acclaim and making more money. (To be fair, he had criticized many parts of ''Man of Steel'' and had his doubts about Zak Snyder's directorial prowess as early as 2013).
28th Jan '18 7:44:39 PM MeaJae97
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** Jeremy's Dear Hollywood videos already have this going due to his abrasive attitude, but the "F*ck Disney" and "F*ck Hollywood" videos in particular are divisive due to Jeremy accusing the industry of killing creativity over remakes and sequels and proclaiming that people who enjoy these films and other remakes and sequels [[OpinionMyopia are doing so as well.]] This sparked debate between people who agreed with him and those angry at him for overreacting and making a myopic statement, noting that remakes are nothing new and on how bad original works are nothing to praise. Another crowd even sees him as borderline hypocritical, noting that Jeremy has branched ''WebVideo/CinemaSins'' into multiple forms such as Music Video Sins and makes a living nitpicking off the work of others.

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** Jeremy's Dear Hollywood videos already have this going due to his abrasive attitude, but the "F*ck Disney" and "F*ck Hollywood" videos in particular are divisive due to Jeremy accusing the industry of killing creativity over remakes and sequels and proclaiming that people who enjoy these films and other remakes and sequels [[OpinionMyopia are doing so as well.]] This sparked debate between people who agreed with him and those angry at him for overreacting and making a myopic statement, noting that remakes and sequels are nothing new and on how bad original works are nothing to praise.praise. After all, he still finds plenty of sins with films that are more original. Another crowd even sees him as borderline hypocritical, noting that Jeremy has branched ''WebVideo/CinemaSins'' into multiple forms such as Music Video Sins and makes a living nitpicking off the work of others.
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