History YMMV / Chinatown

20th Jul '17 4:31:43 PM JulianLapostat
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* NeverTrustATitle: Kind of. The titular Chinatown appears only at the very end of the movie and overall is used more as a metaphor for the corruption prevalent in LA. While there are a few Chinese characters working as house maids, the actual ethnicity doesn't matter. The movie could have just as well have been called "The Mexican District" or "Little Italy" and it wouldn't make a difference.
20th Jul '17 9:14:31 AM JulianLapostat
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* VindicatedByHistory: ''The Two Jakes'' is now recognized as a worthy sequel to ''Chinatown'', especially if one watches the films back-to-back.

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* VindicatedByHistory: ''The Two Jakes'' is now recognized as a worthy sequel to ''Chinatown'', especially if one watches the films back-to-back.back-to-back, but it's not the classic [[FirstInstallmentWins the original is]].
5th Jul '17 10:32:44 AM LittleBuster
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** The film can become somewhat funny from the youth's point of view now, since the tragic and lost main character contrasts very much with the modern Nicholson's LargeHam roles.


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* NightmareFuel: The final scene becomes quite psychedelic and very embarrassing due to a somewhat narcotic atmosphere, alienated by Catherine and the famous Jake's HeroicBSOD. A good way to do DownerEnding.
2nd Jul '17 9:35:11 PM ImperialMajestyXO
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* NeutralEvil: Noah Cross is a FauxAffablyEvil tycoon who has more money and power than he knows what to do with. Doesn't matter: he wants more.

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* NeutralEvil: Noah Cross [[spoiler:Noah Cross]] is a FauxAffablyEvil tycoon who has more money and power than he knows what to do with. Doesn't matter: he wants more.
20th May '17 2:03:16 PM CumbersomeTercel
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** [[spoiler:John Huston]] plays one of the most chilling villains of all time, and yet was not nominated for a supporting Oscar.
** And then there's Jack Nicholson losing Best Actor. The award (Largely seen as a sympathy Oscar) was given to Art Carney for the forgettable fluff piece ''Harry And Tonto''.

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** [[spoiler:John Huston]] [[spoiler:Creator/JohnHuston]] plays one of the most chilling villains of all time, and yet was not nominated for a supporting Oscar.
** And then there's Jack Nicholson Creator/JackNicholson losing Best Actor. The award (Largely seen as a sympathy Oscar) was given to Art Carney Creator/ArtCarney for the forgettable fluff piece ''Harry And Tonto''.



* HarsherInHindsight: [[spoiler:The sexual abuse Noah Cross commits within the movie]] could be seen in a whole new light after attention was brought to a real-life court case implicating Polanski himself in something similar. [[http://www.cracked.com/article_19918_6-terrible-decisions-that-gave-us-great-movie-moments_p2.html This]] article on Website/{{Cracked}} explicitly notes the parallels between how [[spoiler:Cross]] gets off [[KarmaHoudini scott-free]] for his crimes and how Polanski himself escaped jail time by fleeing the U.S.[[note]]This is technically not quite what happened, as Polanski's tvtropes page attests. Polanski confessed to his crime, and as per a plea bargain accepted to spend time in Chino Prison as part of a psychiatric evaluation. Polanski spent 42 Days in Chino, honouring his part of the plea bargain and was released early as per the recommendation of his probation officer. It was only when Judge Rittenbrand decided to back out of the plea bargain and planned to bring fresh charges that Polanski decided to flee, an action which the prosecutor of that case admitted was a justified response. In other words, unlike Cross whose crime is never unearthed and who does not admit to his crimes, Polanski both admitted to his crime and subjected himself to the justice system[[/note]]
* HilariousInHindsight: After this film was released, Creator/JoanCrawford declared that Faye Dunaway would be perfect to play her in a biography. [[Literature/MommieDearest Okay, stop laughing, it's true.]]

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* HarsherInHindsight: [[spoiler:The sexual abuse Noah Cross commits within the movie]] could be seen in a whole new light after attention was brought to a real-life court case implicating Polanski Creator/RomanPolanski himself in something similar. [[http://www.cracked.com/article_19918_6-terrible-decisions-that-gave-us-great-movie-moments_p2.html This]] article on Website/{{Cracked}} explicitly notes the parallels between how [[spoiler:Cross]] gets off [[KarmaHoudini scott-free]] for his crimes and how Polanski himself escaped jail time by fleeing the U.S.[[note]]This is technically not quite what happened, as Polanski's tvtropes page attests. Polanski confessed to his crime, and as per a plea bargain accepted to spend time in Chino Prison as part of a psychiatric evaluation. Polanski spent 42 Days in Chino, honouring his part of the plea bargain and was released early as per the recommendation of his probation officer. It was only when Judge Rittenbrand decided to back out of the plea bargain and planned to bring fresh charges that Polanski decided to flee, an action which the prosecutor of that case admitted was a justified response. In other words, unlike Cross whose crime is never unearthed and who does not admit to his crimes, Polanski both admitted to his crime and subjected himself to the justice system[[/note]]
* HilariousInHindsight: HilariousInHindsight:
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After this film was released, Creator/JoanCrawford declared that Faye Dunaway Creator/FayeDunaway would be perfect to play her in a biography. [[Literature/MommieDearest Okay, stop laughing, it's true.]]


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* NeutralEvil: Noah Cross is a FauxAffablyEvil tycoon who has more money and power than he knows what to do with. Doesn't matter: he wants more.
5th Mar '17 4:48:25 AM TroperBeDoper
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** And then there's Jack Nicholson losing Best Actor. The award (Largely seen as a sympathy Oscar) was given to Art Carney for the forgettable fluff piece ''Harry And Tonto''.
8th Feb '17 10:15:56 AM Jaro7788
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* NeverTrustATitle: Kind of. The titular Chinatown appears only at the very end of the movie and overall is used more as a metaphor for the corruption prevalent in LA. While there are a few Chinese characters working as house maids, the actual ethnicity doesn't matter. The movie could have just as well have been called "The Mexican District" or "Little Italy" and it wouldn't make a difference.
25th Jan '17 8:28:33 AM AnotherGuy
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* ContinuityLockout: The chief reason ''The Two Jakes'' failed. Despite ''Chinatown's'' many ItWasHisSled moments, ''Jakes'' required a ''lot'' of knowledge of the previous film for it to have a full impact.


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* VindicatedByHistory: ''The Two Jakes'' is now recognized as a worthy sequel to ''Chinatown'', especially if one watches the films back-to-back.
25th Jan '17 8:19:48 AM AnotherGuy
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** And [[CreatorCameo Polanski himself]], as the Man with the Knife. "You're a very nosy fella, kittycat. You know what happens to nosy fellas? No? Wanna guess?"

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** And [[CreatorCameo Polanski himself]], as the Man with the Knife. "You're a very nosy fella, kittycat. You know what happens to nosy fellas? No? Wanna guess?"guess?"[[note]]And Polanski wasn't supposed to be in the role himself. Circumstances forced him into doing the part himself.[[/note]]
18th Jan '17 4:52:47 PM 43110
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* CompleteMonster: [[spoiler:Noah Cross is a 1930's CorruptCorporateExecutive who doesn't even know his own net worth, outside of the fact that it's a great deal over ten million[[note]]almost 200 million in 2016[[/note]], only caring about accumulating as much money and power as possible. In the midst of a drought in Los Angeles, Cross dumps away thousands of gallons of water in order to build up support for his new reservoir project. Drying up the northwest San Fernando Valley by depriving it of water, Cross also poisons the wells and blows up the water tanks of the valley's landowners to coerce them into selling their land dirt cheap. Once the valley is his, Cross plans to use his new proposed reservoir to irrigate the land and increase its worth by millions. However, his business partner, and son-in-law, Hollis Mulwray, hinders his plan. Previously Cross had convinced Mulwray to build a dam in an area known to be geologically unstable. The result was that the dam burst and 500 people died. Even though Cross knows that the new reservoir would suffer from the exact same geologic instability as the previous one, [[LackOfEmpathy he still demands Mulwray build it]]. After Mulwray discovers Cross's crimes and conspiracy, Cross kills him by drowning him in a tide pool. However, the most disgusting crime Cross committed was what he did to his daughter Evelyn. When she was just 15 years old, [[ParentalIncest Cross raped her]], traumatizing her for life and fathering another daughter with her. Cross's secondary goal in the movie is to take possession of his "grandchild" with the intention of subjecting her to the same abuse he subjected Evelyn to. Despite all of this, Cross says he doesn't blame himself for his actions because he believes, under the right circumstances, men are capable of anything, ignorant of the fact that this is only true for [[TheSociopath men like him]].]]

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* CompleteMonster: [[spoiler:Noah Cross is a 1930's CorruptCorporateExecutive who doesn't even know his own net worth, outside of the fact that it's a great deal over ten million[[note]]almost 200 million in 2016[[/note]], only caring about accumulating as much money and power as possible. In the midst of a drought in Los Angeles, Cross dumps away thousands of gallons of water in order to build up support for his new reservoir project. Drying up the northwest San Fernando Valley by depriving it of water, Cross also poisons the wells and blows up the water tanks of the valley's landowners to coerce them into selling their land dirt cheap. Once the valley is his, Cross plans to use his new proposed reservoir to irrigate the land and increase its worth by millions. However, his business partner, and son-in-law, Hollis Mulwray, hinders his plan. Previously Cross had convinced Mulwray to build a dam in an area known to be geologically unstable. The result was that the dam burst and 500 people died. Even though Cross knows that the new reservoir would suffer from the exact same geologic instability as the previous one, [[LackOfEmpathy he still demands Mulwray build it]].it. After Mulwray discovers Cross's crimes and conspiracy, Cross kills him by drowning him in a tide pool. However, the most disgusting crime Cross committed was what he did to his daughter Evelyn. When she was just 15 years old, [[ParentalIncest Cross raped her]], traumatizing her for life and fathering another daughter with her. Cross's secondary goal in the movie is to take possession of his "grandchild" with the intention of subjecting her to the same abuse he subjected Evelyn to. Despite all of this, Cross says he doesn't blame himself for his actions because he believes, under the right circumstances, men are capable of anything, ignorant of the fact that this is only true for [[TheSociopath men like him]].]]
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