History YMMV / Chinatown

11th Feb '18 12:39:29 PM ACW
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* CompleteMonster: [[spoiler:Noah Cross is a 1930's CorruptCorporateExecutive who doesn't even know his own net worth, outside of the fact that it's a great deal over ten million[[note]]almost 200 million in 2016[[/note]], only caring about accumulating as much money and power as possible. In the midst of a drought in Los Angeles, Cross dumps away thousands of gallons of water in order to build up support for his new reservoir project. Drying up the northwest San Fernando Valley by depriving it of water, Cross also poisons the wells and blows up the water tanks of the valley's landowners to coerce them into selling their land dirt cheap. Once the valley is his, Cross plans to use his new proposed reservoir to irrigate the land and increase its worth by millions. However, his business partner, and son-in-law, Hollis Mulwray, hinders his plan. Previously Cross had convinced Mulwray to build a dam in an area known to be geologically unstable. The result was that the dam burst and 500 people died. Even though Cross knows that the new reservoir would suffer from the exact same geologic instability as the previous one, he still demands Mulwray build it. After Mulwray discovers Cross's crimes and conspiracy, Cross kills him by drowning him in a tide pool. However, the most disgusting crime Cross committed was what he did to his daughter Evelyn. When she was just 15 years old, [[ParentalIncest Cross raped her]], traumatizing her for life and fathering another daughter with her. Cross's secondary goal in the movie is to take possession of his "grandchild" with the intention of subjecting her to the same abuse he subjected Evelyn to. Despite all of this, Cross says he doesn't blame himself for his actions because he believes, under the right circumstances, men are capable of anything, ignorant of the fact that this is only true for [[TheSociopath men like him]].]]

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* CompleteMonster: [[spoiler:Noah [[BigBad Noah Cross]] is a [[FauxAffablyEvil seemingly jovial, charming]] businessman who is working to stop a drought impacting Los Angeles. In truth, however, Cross is a 1930's CorruptCorporateExecutive [[CorruptCorporateExecutive ruthless sociopath]] who doesn't even know is purposefully enabling the drought to work towards creating fertile land he can sell for real estate. Cross murders anyone who could stand in his way, be it random innocents or his own net worth, outside of the fact that it's a great deal over ten million[[note]]almost 200 million in 2016[[/note]], only caring about accumulating as much money and power as possible. In the midst of a drought in Los Angeles, Cross dumps away thousands of gallons of water in order to build up support for his new reservoir project. Drying up the northwest San Fernando Valley by depriving it of water, Cross also poisons the wells and blows up the water tanks of the valley's landowners to coerce them into selling their land dirt cheap. Once the valley is his, Cross plans to use his new proposed reservoir to irrigate the land and increase its worth by millions. However, his business partner, and son-in-law, Hollis Mulwray, hinders his plan. Previously Cross had convinced Mulwray and is revealed to build a dam in an area known to be geologically unstable. The result was that have ignored serious warnings about the stability of the St. Francis Dam, showing zero remorse for the hundreds left dead when the dam inevitably burst and 500 people died. Even though Cross knows that the new reservoir would suffer from the exact same geologic instability as the previous one, he still demands Mulwray build it. After Mulwray discovers due to his Cross's crimes and conspiracy, Cross kills him by drowning him in a tide pool. However, the most disgusting crime Cross committed was what he did to own greed. The true extent of Cross's evil is put on display as his daughter Evelyn. When she was just 15 years old, [[ParentalIncest Evelyn is revealed to have been [[VillainousIncest raped as a teenager by Cross]], and in the present, Cross raped her]], traumatizing is attempting to get his hands on Evelyn's ChildByRape, Katherine. In the end, after Evelyn is killed, Cross fakes horror at the scene before swiftly dragging Katherine away, planning to use her as Evelyn's replacement for life and fathering another daughter with her. Cross's secondary goal in pleasure. [[note]]She managed to escape before the movie is to take possession of his "grandchild" with the intention of subjecting her to the same abuse he subjected Evelyn to. Despite all of this, sequel.[[/note]] Noah Cross says he doesn't blame himself has stood out for his actions because he believes, under the right circumstances, men are capable decades as one of anything, ignorant of the fact that this is only true for [[TheSociopath men like him]].]]cinema's most memorable, and depraved, villains, a reputation handily earned.
3rd Feb '18 8:52:14 PM smasll_lordvoice
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** In one of the grand ironies in film history, Jack Nicholson himself found out shortly after the movie was released that [[spoiler: his "sister" was [[FamilyRelationshipSwitcheroo actually his mother]], which is [[LifeImitatesArt damn-near identical]] to the movie's iconic plot twist. See the Trivia tab for more details.

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** In one of the grand ironies in film history, Jack Nicholson himself found out shortly after the movie was released that [[spoiler: his "sister" was [[FamilyRelationshipSwitcheroo actually his mother]], mother]]]], which is [[LifeImitatesArt damn-near identical]] to the movie's iconic plot twist. See the Trivia tab for more details.
3rd Feb '18 8:51:57 PM smasll_lordvoice
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** In one of the grand ironies in film history, Jack Nicholson himself found out shortly after the movie was released that [[spoiler: his "sister" was [[FamilyRelationshipSwitcheroo actually his mother]], which is [[LifeImitatesArt damn-near identical]] to the movie's iconic plot twist. See the Trivia tab for more details.
3rd Dec '17 9:19:10 PM Mdumas43073
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** And then there's Creator/JackNicholson losing Best Actor. The award (Largely seen as a sympathy Oscar) was given to Creator/ArtCarney for the forgettable fluff piece ''Harry And Tonto''.

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** And then there's Creator/JackNicholson losing Best Actor. The award (Largely (largely seen as a sympathy Oscar) was given to Creator/ArtCarney for the forgettable fluff piece ''Harry And and Tonto''.
13th Nov '17 3:00:08 PM Draghinazzo
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* TrueArtIsAngsty: Richard Evans, the film's producer, wanted Roman Polanski as director because he thought Polanski, a european, would have a DarkerAndEdgier vision of the USA more suited to the script. For his part, Polanski also insisted that the script's conclusion be changed from a BittersweetEnding reminiscent of classic film noir stories to a stark and nihilistic DownerEnding, thinking that they needed to go all the way now that the Hays Code was gone and that it was necessary for Chinatown to be a truly special film and not just a cookier-cutter Hollywood movie where everything magically works out in the end.
6th Nov '17 5:51:21 AM ClintEastwood
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** Also Diane Ladd as "Mrs. Mulwray" (aka Ida Sessions), who hires Gittes in the first scene. She does turn up a couple times later, first as a voice on the phone and then [[spoiler:as a corpse]].

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** Also Diane Ladd Creator/DianeLadd as "Mrs. Mulwray" (aka Ida Sessions), who hires Gittes in the first scene. She does turn up a couple times later, first as a voice on the phone and then [[spoiler:as a corpse]].
10th Sep '17 5:26:55 PM DrOO7
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** The "sister, daughter" slapping scene.
20th Jul '17 4:31:43 PM JulianLapostat
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* NeverTrustATitle: Kind of. The titular Chinatown appears only at the very end of the movie and overall is used more as a metaphor for the corruption prevalent in LA. While there are a few Chinese characters working as house maids, the actual ethnicity doesn't matter. The movie could have just as well have been called "The Mexican District" or "Little Italy" and it wouldn't make a difference.
20th Jul '17 9:14:31 AM JulianLapostat
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* VindicatedByHistory: ''The Two Jakes'' is now recognized as a worthy sequel to ''Chinatown'', especially if one watches the films back-to-back.

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* VindicatedByHistory: ''The Two Jakes'' is now recognized as a worthy sequel to ''Chinatown'', especially if one watches the films back-to-back.back-to-back, but it's not the classic [[FirstInstallmentWins the original is]].
5th Jul '17 10:32:44 AM LittleBuster
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** The film can become somewhat funny from the youth's point of view now, since the tragic and lost main character contrasts very much with the modern Nicholson's LargeHam roles.


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* NightmareFuel: The final scene becomes quite psychedelic and very embarrassing due to a somewhat narcotic atmosphere, alienated by Catherine and the famous Jake's HeroicBSOD. A good way to do DownerEnding.
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