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* OnlyTheCreatorDoesItRight: The works produced outside of Creator/JossWhedon's direct involvement (ExpandedUniverse) are usually considered part of an AlternateUniverse or didn't happen. These usually include the novels, the video games, and most of the comics besides the ''[[ComicBook/BuffyTheVampireSlayer Buffy]]'' / ''ComicBook/AngelAndFaith'' Seasons 8-12 comics, ''ComicBook/{{Fray}}'', the two ''Tales'' series and ''ComicBook/AngelAfterTheFall'' (though some prefer not to accept any non-TV medium as canon despite [[WordOfGod official statements]] by Joss and the other creators that Seasons 8-12 are canonical and the fact they were directly involved in them).[[invoked]]
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* OnlyTheCreatorDoesItRight: The works produced outside of Creator/JossWhedon's direct involvement (ExpandedUniverse) are usually considered part of an AlternateUniverse or didn't happen. These usually include the novels, the video games, and most of the comics besides the ''[[ComicBook/BuffyTheVampireSlayer Buffy]]'' / ''ComicBook/AngelAndFaith'' Seasons 8-12 comics, ''ComicBook/{{Fray}}'', the two ''Tales'' series and ''ComicBook/AngelAfterTheFall'' ''[[ComicBook/AngelIDW Angel: After the Fall]]'' (though some prefer not to accept any non-TV medium as canon despite [[WordOfGod official statements]] by Joss and the other creators that Seasons 8-12 are canonical and the fact they were directly involved in them).[[invoked]]
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* AudienceAlienatingEra: 2003 saw ''Series/BuffyTheVampireSlayer'''s very divisive final season and the much-reviled fourth season of ''Series/{{Angel}}''. During this period, Creator/JossWhedon was overseeing both shows, plus ''Series/{{Firefly}}'' (all three aired on different networks), so they didn't quite have his full attention. Also, many of the complaints about ''Angel'' Season 4 have to do with the handling of Cordelia's storyline, which was punitively altered by Whedon because Creator/CharismaCarpenter got pregnant without his permission (part of a pattern of abusive behavior on his part that came more fully to light around 2020).
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* AudienceAlienatingEra: 2003 saw ''Series/BuffyTheVampireSlayer'''s very divisive final season and the much-reviled fourth season of ''Series/{{Angel}}''. During this period, Creator/JossWhedon was overseeing both shows, plus ''Series/{{Firefly}}'' (all three aired on different networks), so they didn't quite have his full attention. Also, many of the complaints about ''Angel'' Season 4 have to do with the handling of Cordelia's storyline, which was alleged to have been punitively altered by Whedon because Creator/CharismaCarpenter got pregnant without his permission and failed to inform the producers, requiring frantic rewrites (part of a pattern of supposed abusive behavior on his part that came more fully to light around 2020).2020). Whedon denied all such claims however, stating he had to be strict otherwise the young cast would turn the set into a "cocktail party", David Fury criticising Carpenter for "unprofessional" behaviour.
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* HarsherInHindsight: Some stories, aesops, and character interactions, and even entire plot arcs, range from a little worse to a lot worse thanks to the revelation that Whedon had a fairly active temper, loved to bully subordinates (usually women) to tears, had multiple illicit relationships with subordinates, and there was, [[{{Squick}} for some reason]], the rule "Joss isn't allowed to be alone with Michelle" (who was on the show from ages 16-18). The show shifts somewhat along the spectrum from "serious attempt at feminist comic horror" toward "creepy manipulation to use and abuse women". His "apology" to his wife after she revealed his multiple affairs, which was nothing but excuses on his part, doesn't help.
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* HarsherInHindsight: Some stories, aesops, and character interactions, and even entire plot arcs, range from a little worse to a lot worse thanks to the revelation allegations that Whedon had a fairly active temper, loved to bully subordinates (usually women) to tears, had multiple illicit relationships with subordinates, and there was, [[{{Squick}} for some reason]], the rule "Joss isn't allowed to be alone with Michelle" (who was on the show from ages 16-18). The For some the show shifts somewhat along the spectrum from "serious attempt at feminist comic horror" toward "creepy manipulation to use and abuse women". His "apology" to his wife after she revealed his multiple affairs, which was nothing but excuses on his part, doesn't help. Other members of the cast and crew defended Joss however, splitting fandom down the middle.
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* OnlyTheCreatorDoesItRight: The works produced outside of Creator/JossWhedon's direct involvement (ExpandedUniverse) are usually considered part of an AlternateUniverse or didn't happen. These usually include the novels, the video games, and most of the comics besides the ''[[ComicBook/BuffyTheVampireSlayer Buffy]]'' / ''ComicBook/AngelAndFaith'' Seasons 8-12 comics, ''ComicBook/{{Fray}}'', the two ''Tales'' series and ''ComicBook/AngelAfterTheFall'' (though some prefer not to accept any non-TV medium as canon despite [[WordOfGod official statements]] by Joss and the other creators that Seasons 8-12 are canonical).[[invoked]]
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* OnlyTheCreatorDoesItRight: The works produced outside of Creator/JossWhedon's direct involvement (ExpandedUniverse) are usually considered part of an AlternateUniverse or didn't happen. These usually include the novels, the video games, and most of the comics besides the ''[[ComicBook/BuffyTheVampireSlayer Buffy]]'' / ''ComicBook/AngelAndFaith'' Seasons 8-12 comics, ''ComicBook/{{Fray}}'', the two ''Tales'' series and ''ComicBook/AngelAfterTheFall'' (though some prefer not to accept any non-TV medium as canon despite [[WordOfGod official statements]] by Joss and the other creators that Seasons 8-12 are canonical).canonical and the fact they were directly involved in them).[[invoked]]
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* OnlyTheCreatorDoesItRight: The works produced outside of Creator/JossWhedon's direct involvement (ExpandedUniverse) are usually considered part of an AlternateUniverse or didn't happen. These usually include the novels, the video games, and most of the comics besides the ''[[ComicBook/BuffyTheVampireSlayer Buffy]]'' / ''ComicBook/AngelAndFaith'' Seasons 8-12 comics, ''ComicBook/{{Fray}}'', the two ''Tales'' series and ''ComicBook/AngelAfterTheFall'' (though some prefer not to accept any non-TV medium as canon despite [[WordOfGod official statements statements]] by Joss and the other creators that Seasons 8-12 are canonical).[[invoked]]
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Buffy's sister Dawn and Angel's son Conner never met (not even in the canonical comics continuations), despite seeming perfectly set up to be the junior version of the Buffy/Angel ship. Especially considering that they have the 'fake backstories' thing in common after ''Angel'''s Season 4 finale.
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Buffy's sister Dawn and Angel's son Conner Connor never met (not even in the canonical comics continuations), despite seeming perfectly set up to be the junior version of the Buffy/Angel ship. Especially considering that they have the 'fake backstories' thing in common after ''Angel'''s Season 4 finale.
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* RomanticPlotTumor: The Buffy/Angel elements in "[[Recap/BuffyTheVampireSlayerS7E21EndOfDays End Of Days]]"/"[[Recap/BuffyTheVampireSlayerS7E22Chosen Chosen]]" and the entire episode "[[Recap/AngelS05E20TheGirlInQuestion The Girl in Question]]" are argued as Romantic Plot Tumors for their respective series, whose leads both changed and developed drastically different lives from the one they had together. Making it worse was their proximity to the end of each series, which used precious screentime that could have been dedicated to setting up the storyline of the finale.
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* RomanticPlotTumor: The Buffy/Angel elements in "[[Recap/BuffyTheVampireSlayerS7E21EndOfDays End Of Days]]"/"[[Recap/BuffyTheVampireSlayerS7E22Chosen Chosen]]" and the entire episode "[[Recap/AngelS05E20TheGirlInQuestion The Girl in Question]]" are argued as Romantic Plot Tumors for their respective series, whose leads had both changed and developed drastically different lives from the one they had together. Making it worse was their proximity to the end of each series, which used precious screentime that could have been dedicated to setting up the storyline of the finale.
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Buffy's sister Dawn and Angel's son Conner never met, despite seeming perfectly set up to be the junior version of the Buffy/Angel ship. Especially considering that they have the 'fake backstories' thing in common after ''Angel'''s Season 4 finale.
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Buffy's sister Dawn and Angel's son Conner never met, met (not even in the canonical comics continuations), despite seeming perfectly set up to be the junior version of the Buffy/Angel ship. Especially considering that they have the 'fake backstories' thing in common after ''Angel'''s Season 4 finale.
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* OnlyTheCreatorDoesItRight: The works produced outside of Creator/JossWhedon's direct involvement (ExpandedUniverse) are usually considered part of an AlternateUniverse or didn't happen. These usually include the novels, the video games, and most of the comics besides the ''Buffy'' ''[[ComicBook/BuffyTheVampireSlayer Buffy]]'' / ''Angel & Faith'' ''ComicBook/AngelAndFaith'' Seasons 8-12 comics, ''ComicBook/{{Fray}}'', the two ''Tales'' series and ''ComicBook/AngelAfterTheFall'' (though some prefer not to accept any non-TV medium as canon despite official statements by Joss and the other creators that Seasons 8-12 are canonical).
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* OnlyTheCreatorDoesItRight: The works produced outside of Creator/JossWhedon's direct involvement (ExpandedUniverse) are usually considered part of an AlternateUniverse or didn't happen. These usually include the novels, the video games, and most of the comics besides the ''Buffy'' / ''Angel & Faith'' Seasons 8-12 comics, ''ComicBook/{{Fray}}'', the two ''Tales'' series and ''Angel: After the Fall'' ''ComicBook/AngelAfterTheFall'' (though some prefer not to accept any non-TV medium as canon despite official statements by Joss and the other creators that Seasons 8-12 are canonical).
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* OnlyTheCreatorDoesItRight: The works produced outside of Creator/JossWhedon's direct involvement (ExpandedUniverse) are usually considered part of an AlternateUniverse or didn't happen. These usually include the novels, the video games games, and most of the comics besides the ''Buffy''/''Angel ''Buffy'' / ''Angel & Faith'' Seasons 8-12 comics, ''ComicBook/{{Fray}}'', the two ''Tales'' series and ''Angel: After the Fall'' (though some prefer not to accept any non-TV medium as canon despite official statements by Joss and the other creators that Seasons 8-12 are canonical).
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* OnlyTheCreatorDoesItRight: The works produced outside of Creator/JossWhedon's direct involvement (ExpandedUniverse) are usually considered part of an AlternateUniverse or didn't happen. These usually include the novels, video games and most of the comics besides the ''Buffy'' ''Buffy''/''Angel & Faith'' Seasons 8-12 comics (which include ''Angel & Faith''), comics, ''ComicBook/{{Fray}}'', the two ''Tales'' series and ''Angel: After the Fall'' (though some prefer not to accept any non-TV medium as canon despite official statements by Joss and the other creators that Seasons 8-12 are canonical).
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* OnlyTheCreatorDoesItRight: The works produced outside of Creator/JossWhedon's direct involvement (ExpandedUniverse) are usually considered part of an AlternateUniverse or didn't happen. These usually include the novels, video games and most of the comics besides the ''Buffy'' Seasons 8-12 comics, comics (which include ''Angel & Faith'', Faith''), ''ComicBook/{{Fray}}'', the two ''Tales'' series and ''Angel: After the Fall'' (though some prefer not to accept any non-TV medium as canon despite official statements by Joss and the other creators that Seasons 8-12 are canonical).
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* OnlyTheCreatorDoesItRight: The works produced outside of Creator/JossWhedon's direct involvement (ExpandedUniverse) are usually considered part of an AlternateUniverse or didn't happen. These usually include the novels, video games and most of the comics besides the ''Buffy'' Seasons 8-12 comics, ''Angel & Faith'', ''ComicBook/{{Fray}}'', the two ''Tales'' series and ''Angel: After the Fall'' (though some prefer not to accept any non-TV medium as canon despite official statements by Joss and the other creators that Seasons 8-12 are canonical).
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* OnlyTheCreatorDoesItRight: The works produced outside of Creator/JossWhedon's direct involvement (ExpandedUniverse) are usually considered part of an AlternateUniverse or didn't happen. These usually include the novels, video games and most of the comics besides the ''Buffy'' Seasons 8-12 comics, ''Angel & Faith'', ''ComicBook/{{Fray}}'', the ''Tales'' and ''Angel: After the Fall'' (though some prefer not to accept any non-TV medium as canon despite official statements by Joss and the other creators that Seasons 8-12 are canonical).
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* HarsherInHindsight: Some stories, aesops, and character interactions, and even entire plot arcs, range from a little worse to a lot worse thanks to the revelation that Whedon had a fairly active temper, loved to bully subordinates (usually women) to tears, had multiple illicit relationships with subordinates, and there was, [[{{Squick}} for some reason]], the rule "Joss isn't allowed to be alone with Michelle" (who was on the show from ages 16-18). The show shifts somewhat along the spectrum from "serious attempt at feminist comic horror" toward "creepy manipulation to use and abuse women". His "apology" to his wife after she revealed his multiple affairs, which was nothing but excuses on his part, doesn't help.
