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* MoralEventHorizon: When the Magistrate responds to an attempted rape by one of his soldiers by publically executing the ''victim'' - Murron - and daring Wallace to come to him. The atrocities trigger off a peasant revolt, get his [[RoaringRampageOfRevenge entire garrison killed]] (special mention goes to the attempted rapist, who is ImpaledWithExtremePrejudice) and almost bring down the entire English kingdom. Talk about LaserGuidedKarma!

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* MoralEventHorizon: When the Magistrate responds to an attempted rape by one of his soldiers by publically executing the ''victim'' - Murron - and [[TemptingFate daring Wallace to come to him.him]]. The atrocities trigger off a peasant revolt, get his [[RoaringRampageOfRevenge entire garrison killed]] (special mention goes to the attempted rapist, who is ImpaledWithExtremePrejudice) and almost bring down the entire English kingdom. Talk about LaserGuidedKarma!
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* MoralEventHorizon: When the Magistrate responds to an attempted rape by one of his soldiers by publically executing the victim - Murron - and daring Wallace to come to him. The atrocities trigger off a peasant revolt, get his [[RoaringRampageOfRevenge entire garrison killed]] (special mention goes to the attempted rapist, who is ImpaledWithExtremePrejudice) and almost bring down the entire English kingdom. Talk about LaserGuidedKarma!

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* MoralEventHorizon: When the Magistrate responds to an attempted rape by one of his soldiers by publically executing the victim ''victim'' - Murron - and daring Wallace to come to him. The atrocities trigger off a peasant revolt, get his [[RoaringRampageOfRevenge entire garrison killed]] (special mention goes to the attempted rapist, who is ImpaledWithExtremePrejudice) and almost bring down the entire English kingdom. Talk about LaserGuidedKarma!
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* MoralEventHorizon: When the Magistrate responds to an attempted rape by one of his soldiers by publically executing the victim - Murron - and daring Wallace to come to him. The atrocities trigger off a peasant revolt, get his [[RoaringRampageOfRevenge entire garrison killed]] (special mention of the attempted rapist, who is ImpaledWithExtremePrejudice) and almost bring down the entire English kingdom. Talk about LaserGuidedKarma!

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* MoralEventHorizon: When the Magistrate responds to an attempted rape by one of his soldiers by publically executing the victim - Murron - and daring Wallace to come to him. The atrocities trigger off a peasant revolt, get his [[RoaringRampageOfRevenge entire garrison killed]] (special mention of goes to the attempted rapist, who is ImpaledWithExtremePrejudice) and almost bring down the entire English kingdom. Talk about LaserGuidedKarma!
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* MoralEventHorizon: When the Magistrate responds to an attempted rape by one of his soldiers by publically executing the victim - Murron - and daring Wallace to come to him. The atrocities trigger off a peasant revolt, get his [[RoaringRampageOfRevenge entire garrison killed]] (special mention of the attempted rapist, who is ImpaledWithExtremePrejudice) and almost brings down the entire English Kingdom. Talk about LaserGuidedKarma!

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* MoralEventHorizon: When the Magistrate responds to an attempted rape by one of his soldiers by publically executing the victim - Murron - and daring Wallace to come to him. The atrocities trigger off a peasant revolt, get his [[RoaringRampageOfRevenge entire garrison killed]] (special mention of the attempted rapist, who is ImpaledWithExtremePrejudice) and almost brings bring down the entire English Kingdom.kingdom. Talk about LaserGuidedKarma!
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* MoralEventHorizon: When the Magistrate responds to an attempted rape by one of his soldiers by publically executing the victim - Murron - and daring Wallace to come to him. The atrocities trigger off a peasant revolt, get his [[RoaringRampageOfRevenge entire garrison killed]] and almost brings down the entire English Kingdom. Talk about LaserGuidedKarma!

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* MoralEventHorizon: When the Magistrate responds to an attempted rape by one of his soldiers by publically executing the victim - Murron - and daring Wallace to come to him. The atrocities trigger off a peasant revolt, get his [[RoaringRampageOfRevenge entire garrison killed]] (special mention of the attempted rapist, who is ImpaledWithExtremePrejudice) and almost brings down the entire English Kingdom. Talk about LaserGuidedKarma!
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* MoralEventHorizon: When the Magistrate responds to an attempted rape by one of his soldiers by publically executing the victim - Murron - and daring Wallace to come to him. The atrocities trigger off a peasant revolt, get his [[RoaringRampageOfRevent entire garrison killed]] and almost brings down the entire English Kingdom. Talk about LaserGuidedKarma!

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* MoralEventHorizon: When the Magistrate responds to an attempted rape by one of his soldiers by publically executing the victim - Murron - and daring Wallace to come to him. The atrocities trigger off a peasant revolt, get his [[RoaringRampageOfRevent [[RoaringRampageOfRevenge entire garrison killed]] and almost brings down the entire English Kingdom. Talk about LaserGuidedKarma!
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* MoralEventHorizon: When the Magistrate responds to an attempted rape by one of his soldiers by publically executing the victim - Murron - and daring Wallace to come to him. The atrocities trigger off a peasant revolt, get his [[RoaringRampageOfRevent entire garrison killed]] and almost brings down the entire English Kingdom. Talk about LaserGuidedKarma!
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* HistoricalHeroUpgrade: Wallace is made a lot more important than Robert Bruce, and the third key figure in the war, Bishop William de Lamberton, was cut out altogether.
** Another character cut out was Andrew de Moray, another Scottish noble who died after the battle of Stirling Bridge. Some historians have argued that his contribution to the war was just as important and more successful than William Wallace's.
*** Arguably he is in, but his name is mispelled as Mornay and he's not nearly as important and heroic as his real life counterpart.
* HistoricalVillainUpgrade: King Edward Longshanks was a bastard (though many would call him a MagnificentBastard) in real life, but is a downright mustache-twirling thug in the film. Well...Scots understandably take a dim view of him, as do the Welsh with equally good reason but the English quite correctly regard him as one of their best kings. He was also an excellent husband and father. He may never have known of Edward II's proclivities, he certainly didn't kill any of his male lovers. Anyway Edward II had at least one bastard in addition to four children by Queen Isabelle (the oldest born seven years after Wallace died; see YouFailHistoryForever below), suggesting that he swung both ways.
** His plan to cause the racial death of Scotland is entirely invented.
** Actually, many historians believe Edward II wasn't gay at all (NotThatTheresAnythingWrongWithThat), and that it was made up to discredit him. It is true that he did have several male "court favourites", most infamously Hugh Despenser the Younger, but he was not necessarily in sexual relationships with them.
** Also, Longshanks' control over Scotland was partly the Scottish's own fault, since they decided to "temporarily" relinquish control of Scotland to him until a new king could be appointed and didn't plan for the possibility that Longshanks would backstab them after having been handed all of Scotland on a silver platter.
*** Amusingly, he did everything he could to secure the Scottish crown for an acceptable Scottish monarch, but the divisive Scottish noble families made it difficult appointing a satisfactory candidate, as every option seemed to lead towards civil war. When an appropriate candidate was finally found after years of negotiation (amusingly a young girl who was barely Scottish at all) that candidate died at sea as she was being transported to Scotland to take the crown. Reading the history of the situation, you really get a sense that Edward was just bloody sick of the business at the end of the day, and decided the only competent candidate Scotland had available to rule it was himself.
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*** Amusingly, he did everything he could to secure the Scottish crown for an acceptable Scottish monarch, but the divisive Scottish noble families made it difficult appointing a satisfactory candidate, as every option seemed to lead towards civil war. When an appropriate candidate was finally found after years of negotiation(amusingly a young girl who was barely Scottish at all) that candidate died at sea as she was being transported to Scotland to take the crown. Reading the history of the situation, you really get a sense that Edward was just bloody sick of the business at the end of the day, and decided the only competent candidate Scotland had available to rule it was himself.

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*** Amusingly, he did everything he could to secure the Scottish crown for an acceptable Scottish monarch, but the divisive Scottish noble families made it difficult appointing a satisfactory candidate, as every option seemed to lead towards civil war. When an appropriate candidate was finally found after years of negotiation(amusingly negotiation (amusingly a young girl who was barely Scottish at all) that candidate died at sea as she was being transported to Scotland to take the crown. Reading the history of the situation, you really get a sense that Edward was just bloody sick of the business at the end of the day, and decided the only competent candidate Scotland had available to rule it was himself.

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* CompleteMonster: King Edward Longshanks is depicted as one hell of an evil bastard. In real life, he isn't remembered as that much of a tyrant, though he is known as "the Hammer of the Scots". He did expel the Jews from England in 1290 (primarily so that he could confiscate their property and repudiate his debts), however.
** His second most popular title is that of "The English Justinian". He was arguably the father of parliamentary government, though he introduced it mainly as a way to circumvent the Nobility in order to approve taxes.



* CompleteMonster: King Edward Longshanks is depicted as one hell of an evil bastard. In real life, he isn't remembered as that much of a tyrant, though he is known as "the Hammer of the Scots". He did expel the Jews from England in 1290 (primarily so that he could confiscate their property and repudiate his debts),however.
** His second most popular title is that of "The English Justinian". He was arguably the father of parliamentary government, though he introduced it mainly as a way to circumvent the Nobility in order to approve taxes.



* {{Squick}}: An English soldier tells Murron how she reminds him of his own daughter back in England before ''he attempts to molest her''.

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* {{Squick}}: An English soldier tells Murron how she reminds him of his own daughter back in England before ''he attempts to molest her''.her''.

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*** Amusingly, he did everything he could to secure the Scottish crown for an acceptable Scottish monarch, but the dibvisive Scottish noble families made it difficult appointing a satisfactory candidate, as every option seemed to lead towards civil war. When an appropriate candidate was finally found after years of negotiation(amusingly a young girl who was barely Scottish at all) that candidate died at sea as she was being transported to Scotland to take the crown. Reading the history of the situation, you really get a sense that Edward was just bloody sick of the business at the end of the day, and decided the only competent candidate Scotland had available to rule it was himself.

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*** Amusingly, he did everything he could to secure the Scottish crown for an acceptable Scottish monarch, but the dibvisive divisive Scottish noble families made it difficult appointing a satisfactory candidate, as every option seemed to lead towards civil war. When an appropriate candidate was finally found after years of negotiation(amusingly a young girl who was barely Scottish at all) that candidate died at sea as she was being transported to Scotland to take the crown. Reading the history of the situation, you really get a sense that Edward was just bloody sick of the business at the end of the day, and decided the only competent candidate Scotland had available to rule it was himself.
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** Note that this is actually an inversion of the HistoricalBadassUpgrade. Edward I's real life BadAss achievements would fill three or four movies as long as this one.
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* HistoricalVillainUpgrade: King Edward Longshanks was a bastard in real life, but is a downright mustache-twirling thug in the film. Well...Scots understandably take a dim view of him, as do the Welsh with equally good reason but the English quite correctly regard him as one of their best kings. He was also an excellent husband and father. He may never have known of Edward II's proclivities, he certainly didn't kill any of his male lovers. Anyway Edward II had at least one bastard in addition to four children by Queen Isabelle (the oldest born seven years after Wallace died; see YouFailHistoryForever below), suggesting that he swung both ways.

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* HistoricalVillainUpgrade: King Edward Longshanks was a bastard (though many would call him a MagnificentBastard) in real life, but is a downright mustache-twirling thug in the film. Well...Scots understandably take a dim view of him, as do the Welsh with equally good reason but the English quite correctly regard him as one of their best kings. He was also an excellent husband and father. He may never have known of Edward II's proclivities, he certainly didn't kill any of his male lovers. Anyway Edward II had at least one bastard in addition to four children by Queen Isabelle (the oldest born seven years after Wallace died; see YouFailHistoryForever below), suggesting that he swung both ways.
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** His second most popular title is that of "The English Justinian". He was arguably the father of parliamentary government, though he introduced it mainly as a way to circumvent the Nobility in order to approve taxes.
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* HilariousInHindsight: Gibson of alle people portraying Edward as a panto bad guy considering that in real life one of the most disgusting things about him was his mistreatment of the Jews.

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* HilariousInHindsight: Gibson of alle all people portraying Edward as a panto bad guy considering that in real life one of the most disgusting things about him was his mistreatment of the Jews.
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* HilariousInHindshight: Gibson of alle people portraying Edward as a panto bad guy considering that in real life one of the most disgusting things about him was his mistreatment of the Jews.

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* HilariousInHindshight: HilariousInHindsight: Gibson of alle people portraying Edward as a panto bad guy considering that in real life one of the most disgusting things about him was his mistreatment of the Jews.
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* HilariousInHindshight: Gibson of alle people portraying Edward as a panto bad guy considering that in real life one of the most disgusting things about him was his mistreatment of the Jews.
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* IAmNotShazam: Whenever Mel Gibson's portrayal of William Wallace is spoofed/referenced, people will call his character "Braveheart" instead of Wallace.

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* IAmNotShazam: Whenever Mel Gibson's portrayal of William Wallace is spoofed/referenced, people will call his character "Braveheart" instead of Wallace. In actuality, it refers to Robert the Bruce.
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** His plan to cause the racial death of Scotland is entirely invented.
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* IAmNotShazam: Whenever Mel Gibson's portrayal of William Wallace is spoofed/referenced, people will call his character "Braveheart" instead of Wallace.
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*** Arguably he is in, but his name is mispelled as Mornay and he's not nearly as important and heroic as his real life counterpart.
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* CrowningMusicOfAwesome: James Horner [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUNSZEDfwu0 delivers]] [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWQhezXbi7A an]] [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tS7V5XoYCaQ absolutely]] [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXzGZ6GXnTw amazing]] [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNLfNezFqNk score]] [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxRik0jw5L8 for]] [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcxfrL4UjQ4 this]] [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkLrnI7SsVY film]].

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* CrowningMusicOfAwesome: James Horner JamesHorner [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUNSZEDfwu0 delivers]] [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWQhezXbi7A an]] [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tS7V5XoYCaQ absolutely]] [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXzGZ6GXnTw amazing]] [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNLfNezFqNk score]] [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxRik0jw5L8 for]] [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcxfrL4UjQ4 this]] [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkLrnI7SsVY film]].
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* CrowningMomentOfFunny: "The Lord tells me he can get me out of this mess, but he's pretty sure you're fucked."
** Cue the laugh that makes him sound fucking ''bonkers'' .
** "The Almighty says 'Don't change the subject, just answer the fucking question!'"
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* MagnificentBastard: King Edward. Sorry, but Patrick [=McGoohan=] is awesome.

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* MagnificentBastard: King Edward. Sorry, but Patrick [=McGoohan=] is awesome.awesome.
* {{Squick}}: An English soldier tells Murron how she reminds him of his own daughter back in England before ''he attempts to molest her''.
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** Bonus points for the main theme song, which was later remixed and became a respectable chart hit.
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** Actually, many historians believe Edward II wasn't gay at all ([=~not that there's anything wrong with that~=]), and that it was made up to discredit him. It is true that he did have several male "court favourites", most infamously Hugh Despenser the Younger, but he was not necessarily in sexual relationships with them.

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** Actually, many historians believe Edward II wasn't gay at all ([=~not that there's anything wrong with that~=]), (NotThatTheresAnythingWrongWithThat), and that it was made up to discredit him. It is true that he did have several male "court favourites", most infamously Hugh Despenser the Younger, but he was not necessarily in sexual relationships with them.
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*** Amusingly, he did everything he could to secure the Scottish crown for an acceptable Scottish monarch, but the dibvisive Scottish noble families made it difficult appointing a satisfactory candidate, as every option seemed to lead towards civil war. When an appropriate candidate was finally found after years of negotiation(amusingly a young girl who was barely Scottish at all) that candidate died at sea as she was being transported to Scotland to take the crown. Reading the history of the situation, you really get a sense that Edward was just bloody sick of the business at the end of the day, and decided the only competent candidate Scotland had available to rule it was himself.
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* MagnificentBastard: King Edward. Sorry, but Patrick [=McGoohan=] is awesome.
* YourMileageMayVary: Rousing historical epic marking the turning point for a gifted actor turned director's career, or tiresome, factually inaccurate chest-beating from a relentless egomaniac? You decide. There is, incidentally, a rather vocal base of film fans who declare Braveheart to be THE worst movie ever to win the Best Picture Oscar.
** Even more so in Scotland, for some its a [[BerserkButton berserk button]] and responsible for all problems with international perception of Scotland and the ruination of Scottish history and identity, for some its [[MST3KMantra just a bit of fun.]]

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* MagnificentBastard: King Edward. Sorry, but Patrick [=McGoohan=] is awesome. \n* YourMileageMayVary: Rousing historical epic marking the turning point for a gifted actor turned director's career, or tiresome, factually inaccurate chest-beating from a relentless egomaniac? You decide. There is, incidentally, a rather vocal base of film fans who declare Braveheart to be THE worst movie ever to win the Best Picture Oscar. \n** Even more so in Scotland, for some its a [[BerserkButton berserk button]] and responsible for all problems with international perception of Scotland and the ruination of Scottish history and identity, for some its [[MST3KMantra just a bit of fun.]]
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** Also, Longshanks' control over Scotland was partly the Scottish's own fault, since they decided to "temporarily" relinquish control of Scotland to him until a new king could be appointed and didn't plan for the possibility that Longshanks would backstab them after having been handed all of Scotland on a silver platter.

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