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* IKnewIt: [[spoiler:Many fans guessed that ComicBook/BuckyBarnes would appear in the movie. Lo and behold, he shows up in TheStinger.]]
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** Another debate is whether Jordan should be in this movie at all, due to his involvement in the ''[[Film/FantasticFour2015 Fant4stic]]'' [[BoxOfficeBomb debacle]]. Some people feel that it was too soon to cast Jordan, as they fear that his casting would cause the movie to underperform just like ''[=Fant4stic=]''. However, many are quick to point how Jordan has won over critics with the movie ''Film/{{Creed}}'' since then. Furthermore, defenders will point out that Marvel Studios [[CashCowFranchise has had a much better track record]] than 20th Century Fox's [[BoxOfficeBomb history]] with the ''ComicBook/FantasticFour'' franchise, and how ''[=Fant4stic=]'' had such a TroubledProduction that it probably would have failed even without Jordan's involvement. Finally, [[http://marvelcinematicuniverse.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Actors_with_Roles_in_Comic_Book_Adaptations_outside_the_Marvel_Cinematic_Universe many MCU actors]] have been in various other comic book adaptations[[note]]the most notable example being Jordan's predecessor as the Human Torch, Creator/ChrisEvans[[/note]] making Jordan's casting in the MCU nothing new.

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** Another debate is whether Jordan should be in this movie at all, due to his involvement in the ''[[Film/FantasticFour2015 Fant4stic]]'' [[BoxOfficeBomb debacle]]. Some people feel that it was too soon to cast Jordan, as they fear that his casting would cause the movie to underperform just like ''[=Fant4stic=]''. However, many are quick to point how Jordan has won over critics with the movie ''Film/{{Creed}}'' ''Film/{{Creed|2015}}'' since then. Furthermore, defenders will point out that Marvel Studios [[CashCowFranchise has had a much better track record]] than 20th Century Fox's [[BoxOfficeBomb history]] with the ''ComicBook/FantasticFour'' franchise, and how ''[=Fant4stic=]'' had such a TroubledProduction that it probably would have failed even without Jordan's involvement. Finally, [[http://marvelcinematicuniverse.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Actors_with_Roles_in_Comic_Book_Adaptations_outside_the_Marvel_Cinematic_Universe many MCU actors]] have been in various other comic book adaptations[[note]]the most notable example being Jordan's predecessor as the Human Torch, Creator/ChrisEvans[[/note]] making Jordan's casting in the MCU nothing new.
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** A number of people ship Killmonger with [[Film/ThorRagnarok Valkyrie]], joking that this isn't the first time they've dated, as their actors Creator/MichaelBJordan and Creator/TessaThompson had previously played a couple in ''Film/{{Creed}}''.

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** A number of people ship Killmonger with [[Film/ThorRagnarok Valkyrie]], joking that this isn't the first time they've dated, as their actors Creator/MichaelBJordan and Creator/TessaThompson had previously played a couple in ''Film/{{Creed}}''.''Film/{{Creed|2015}}''.



** Some ''Film/{{Creed}}'' fans aren't happy that Ryan Coogler won't be able to direct the sequel due to being hired for this film, though he's said he definitely wants to do more at some point.

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** Some ''Film/{{Creed}}'' ''Film/{{Creed|2015}}'' fans aren't happy that Ryan Coogler won't be able to direct the sequel [[Film/CreedII sequel]] due to being hired for this film, though he's said he definitely wants to do more at some point.



* FightSceneFailure: A common complaint of the final battle is that it suffers from some terrible fight scenes that include include fake-looking CGI models of suited-up Killmonger and T'Challa, and a scene in which Killmonger slits the throat of a Dora Milaje in a way that doesn't spill ''any'' blood at all. What makes the final battle rather jarring is that the previous waterfall duels and the Busan casino fight are realistic and well-made, and director Ryan Coogler has proven that he can direct good action scenes as seen with ''Film/{{Creed}}''. The most jarring part is that we get a slow-motion shot of the Dora Milaje from the front, very clearly showing that she's uninjured, whereas a shot of her corpse from the back or of the other characters reacting could have been a perfectly decent GoryDiscretionShot.

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* FightSceneFailure: A common complaint of the final battle is that it suffers from some terrible fight scenes that include include fake-looking CGI models of suited-up Killmonger and T'Challa, and a scene in which Killmonger slits the throat of a Dora Milaje in a way that doesn't spill ''any'' blood at all. What makes the final battle rather jarring is that the previous waterfall duels and the Busan casino fight are realistic and well-made, and director Ryan Coogler has proven that he can direct good action scenes as seen with ''Film/{{Creed}}''.''Film/{{Creed|2015}}''. The most jarring part is that we get a slow-motion shot of the Dora Milaje from the front, very clearly showing that she's uninjured, whereas a shot of her corpse from the back or of the other characters reacting could have been a perfectly decent GoryDiscretionShot.

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* QuestionableCasting: Although Michael B. Jordan won over fans in the final film, his initial casting received a mixed response for many reasons:
** Some fans have complained about Jordan isn't as large and muscular as Erik Killmonger is usually depicted in the comics. Others have argued that [[AbilityOverAppearance Jordan is a very talented performer despite not resembling the character]], and that like ComicBook/TheKingpin, it would likely be hard to find a good actor with Killmonger's exaggerated physique to begin with.
** Another debate is whether Jordan should be in this movie at all, due to his involvement in the ''[[Film/FantasticFour2015 Fant4stic]]'' [[BoxOfficeBomb debacle]]. Some people feel that it was too soon to cast Jordan, as they fear that his casting would cause the movie to underperform just like ''[=Fant4stic=]''. However, many are quick to point how Jordan has won over critics with the movie ''Film/{{Creed}}'' since then. Furthermore, defenders will point out that Marvel Studios [[CashCowFranchise has had a much better track record]] than 20th Century Fox's [[BoxOfficeBomb history]] with the ''ComicBook/FantasticFour'' franchise, and how ''[=Fant4stic=]'' had such a TroubledProduction that it probably would have failed even without Jordan's involvement. Finally, [[http://marvelcinematicuniverse.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Actors_with_Roles_in_Comic_Book_Adaptations_outside_the_Marvel_Cinematic_Universe many MCU actors]] have been in various other comic book adaptations[[note]]the most notable example being Jordan's predecessor as the Human Torch, Creator/ChrisEvans[[/note]] making Jordan's casting in the MCU nothing new.



* WTHCastingAgency: Although Michael B. Jordan won over fans in the final film, his initial casting received a mixed response for many reasons:
** Some fans have complained about Jordan isn't as large and muscular as Erik Killmonger is usually depicted in the comics. Others have argued that [[AbilityOverAppearance Jordan is a very talented performer despite not resembling the character]], and that like ComicBook/TheKingpin, it would likely be hard to find a good actor with Killmonger's exaggerated physique to begin with.
** Another debate is whether Jordan should be in this movie at all, due to his involvement in the ''[[Film/FantasticFour2015 Fant4stic]]'' [[BoxOfficeBomb debacle]]. Some people feel that it was too soon to cast Jordan, as they fear that his casting would cause the movie to underperform just like ''[=Fant4stic=]''. However, many are quick to point how Jordan has won over critics with the movie ''Film/{{Creed}}'' since then. Furthermore, defenders will point out that Marvel Studios [[CashCowFranchise has had a much better track record]] than 20th Century Fox's [[BoxOfficeBomb history]] with the ''ComicBook/FantasticFour'' franchise, and how ''[=Fant4stic=]'' had such a TroubledProduction that it probably would have failed even without Jordan's involvement. Finally, [[http://marvelcinematicuniverse.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Actors_with_Roles_in_Comic_Book_Adaptations_outside_the_Marvel_Cinematic_Universe many MCU actors]] have been in various other comic book adaptations[[note]]the most notable example being Jordan's predecessor as the Human Torch, Creator/ChrisEvans[[/note]] making Jordan's casting in the MCU nothing new.

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* WTHCastingAgency: Although Michael B. Jordan won over fans in the final film, his initial casting received a mixed response for many reasons:
** Some fans have complained about Jordan isn't as large and muscular as Erik Killmonger is usually depicted in the comics. Others have argued that [[AbilityOverAppearance Jordan is a very talented performer despite not resembling the character]], and that like ComicBook/TheKingpin, it would likely be hard to find a good actor with Killmonger's exaggerated physique to begin with.
** Another debate is whether Jordan should be in this movie at all, due to his involvement in the ''[[Film/FantasticFour2015 Fant4stic]]'' [[BoxOfficeBomb debacle]]. Some people feel that it was too soon to cast Jordan, as they fear that his casting would cause the movie to underperform just like ''[=Fant4stic=]''. However, many are quick to point how Jordan has won over critics with the movie ''Film/{{Creed}}'' since then. Furthermore, defenders will point out that Marvel Studios [[CashCowFranchise has had a much better track record]] than 20th Century Fox's [[BoxOfficeBomb history]] with the ''ComicBook/FantasticFour'' franchise, and how ''[=Fant4stic=]'' had such a TroubledProduction that it probably would have failed even without Jordan's involvement. Finally, [[http://marvelcinematicuniverse.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Actors_with_Roles_in_Comic_Book_Adaptations_outside_the_Marvel_Cinematic_Universe many MCU actors]] have been in various other comic book adaptations[[note]]the most notable example being Jordan's predecessor as the Human Torch, Creator/ChrisEvans[[/note]] making Jordan's casting in the MCU nothing new.
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* EvilIsSexy: Killmonger, who sports a fabulous set of dreads and becomes a WalkingShirtlessScene after he [[spoiler:usurps T'Challa as king]].
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** This incarnation of M'Baku, who is [[ComicBookMoviesDontUseCodenames never called by the name]] "Man-Ape", is greatly preferred to the comics' version, thanks not only to his portrayal neatly sidestepping the dodgy politics of calling a black character "Man-Ape", but also for his NobleDemon personality and [[TheGadfly hilariously dickish behavior]].

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** This incarnation of M'Baku, who is [[ComicBookMoviesDontUseCodenames never called by the name]] "Man-Ape", is greatly preferred to the comics' version, thanks not only to his portrayal [[JustifiedTrope neatly sidestepping sidestepping]] the [[UnfortunateImplications dodgy politics politics]] of calling a black character "Man-Ape", but also for his NobleDemon personality and [[TheGadfly hilariously dickish behavior]].
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* BaseBreakingCharacter: Shares a [[BaseBreakingCharacter/MarvelCinematicUniverse page with the rest of the franchise]].

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* BaseBreakingCharacter: Shares Killmonger is generally seen as a [[BaseBreakingCharacter/MarvelCinematicUniverse page well-done TragicVillain with a lot more depth than usual for an MCU film, but this isn't a universal sentiment. Some viewers felt that he legitimately made better points compared to T'Challa, and ended up [[RootingForTheEmpire rooting for him]], while still others saw him as an irredeemable sociopath due to his KickTheDog moments and felt the rest of the franchise]].film tries to wring out more sympathy for him than he deserves.
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* BaseBreakingCharacter: Killmonger is generally seen as a well-done TragicVillain with a lot more depth than usual for an MCU film, but this isn't a universal sentiment. Some viewers felt that he legitimately made better points compared to T'Challa, and ended up [[RootingForTheEmpire rooting for him]], while still others saw him as an irredeemable sociopath due to his KickTheDog moments and felt the film tries to wring out more sympathy for him than he deserves.

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* BaseBreakingCharacter: Killmonger is generally seen as Shares a well-done TragicVillain [[BaseBreakingCharacter/MarvelCinematicUniverse page with a lot more depth than usual for an MCU film, but this isn't a universal sentiment. Some viewers felt that he legitimately made better points compared to T'Challa, and ended up [[RootingForTheEmpire rooting for him]], while still others saw him as an irredeemable sociopath due to his KickTheDog moments and felt the film tries to wring out more sympathy for him than he deserves.rest of the franchise]].
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** Fans of ''Film/WonderWoman2017'' tend to gravitate to this movie as well because of the similairities both films have -- late 2010 superhero blockbusters that have a superhero main character who isn't white or male, and with mainy from those underrepresentated groups [[WatchedItForTheRepresentation wanting to see each one]].

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** Fans of ''Film/WonderWoman2017'' tend to gravitate to this movie as well because of the similairities both films have -- late 2010 superhero blockbusters that have a superhero main character who isn't white or male, and with mainy many from those underrepresentated groups [[WatchedItForTheRepresentation wanting to see each one]].



** This is wouldn't be [[Film/CreedII the last time in 2018]] that Creator/MichaelBJordan's character goes up against the son of the man who killed his father, only that time he's the hero instead of the villain.

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** This is wouldn't be [[Film/CreedII the last time in 2018]] that Creator/MichaelBJordan's character goes up against the son of the man who killed his father, only that time he's the hero instead of the villain.



* ImprovedSecondAttempt: The portrayal of M'Baku in this film is considered a significant step up from his villainous depiction in the comics. Namely, the source material referred to him as "Man-Ape", and had him act as a brutish, savage-like ScaryBlackMan who dresses up as a KillerGorilla, which invoked many uncomfortable racist caricatures comparing black people to monkeys and apes. In this film, M'Baku is not once referred to as "Man-Ape", and significantly downplays the gorilla imagery to avoid those horrible stereotypes, instead depicting the gorilla motifs as a result of him being a ReligiousBruiser. Furthermore, M'Baku himself is portrayed as a grumpy AntiVillain at worst, whose main conflict has to do with him disliking the direction the direction Wakanda is heading in the modern day, and he ultimately sides with the heroes when it becomes clear that things will turn out badly for his people if he doesn't help.

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* ImprovedSecondAttempt: The portrayal of M'Baku in this film is considered a significant step up from his villainous depiction in the comics. Namely, the source material referred to him as "Man-Ape", and had him act as a brutish, savage-like ScaryBlackMan who dresses up as a KillerGorilla, which invoked many uncomfortable racist caricatures comparing black people to monkeys and apes. In this film, M'Baku is not once referred to as "Man-Ape", and significantly downplays the gorilla imagery to avoid those horrible stereotypes, instead depicting the gorilla motifs as a result of him being a ReligiousBruiser. Furthermore, M'Baku himself is portrayed as a grumpy AntiVillain at worst, whose main conflict has to do with him disliking the direction the direction Wakanda is heading in the modern day, and he ultimately sides with the heroes when it becomes clear that things will turn out badly for his people if he doesn't help.
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** From ''Film/BladeTrilogy'' fans who often pointed out that ''Blade'' was the [[OlderThanTheyThink first Marvel superhero movie with a black lead]] and lament that its very ignored by modern mainstream media. This was even referenced in the ''WebAnimation/HowItShouldHaveEnded'' video for ''Black Panther'', which ended with Blade showing up to challenge T'Challa for the throne.

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** From ''Film/BladeTrilogy'' fans who often pointed out that ''Blade'' was the [[OlderThanTheyThink first Marvel superhero movie with a black lead]] and lament that its it's very ignored by modern mainstream media. This was even referenced in the ''WebAnimation/HowItShouldHaveEnded'' video for ''Black Panther'', which ended with Blade showing up to challenge T'Challa for the throne.
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* CryForTheDevil: Killmonger is a NotSoWellIntentionedExtremist who [[spoiler:murders his girlfriend to get to Klaue and doesn't care that his actions as king will destroy Wakanda as well as the rest of the world. He's also still the boy from Oakland who found his dead father in his apartment, as shown in the scene where he talks to his N'Jobu in the spirit world and is both happy and saddened to see him one last time. Even when he nearly kills Shuri just because she happens to be standing with defensive arm cannons, he breaks down while dying about how he believed in Wakanda as a fairy tale and his father promised to bring him home to see the sunset. T'Challa shows sympathy and righteous fury for his cousin, while acknowledging what he wants is too dangerous]].

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* CryForTheDevil: Killmonger is a NotSoWellIntentionedExtremist who [[spoiler:murders his girlfriend to get to Klaue and doesn't care that his actions as king will destroy Wakanda as well as the rest of the world. He's also still the boy from Oakland who found his dead father in his apartment, as shown in the scene where he talks to his father N'Jobu in the spirit world and is both happy and saddened to see him one last time. Even when he nearly kills Shuri just because she happens to be standing with defensive arm cannons, he breaks down while dying about how he believed in Wakanda as a fairy tale and his father promised to bring him home to see the sunset. T'Challa shows sympathy and righteous fury for his cousin, while acknowledging what he wants is too dangerous]].
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* {{Fanon}}: Due to Michael B. Jordan's known love for anime and Killmonger's battle outfit resembling Vegeta's iconic battle armour from ''Franchise/DragonBall'', it is common for fans to depict Killmonger as an {{Otaku}}. This became AscendedFanon in ''WesternAnimation/WhatIf'', where an alternate counterpart of Killmonger admits to being an anime fan.

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* {{Fanon}}: Due to Michael B. Jordan's known love for anime and Killmonger's battle outfit resembling Vegeta's iconic battle armour from ''Franchise/DragonBall'', it is common for fans to depict Killmonger as an {{Otaku}}. This became AscendedFanon in ''WesternAnimation/WhatIf'', ''WesternAnimation/WhatIf2021'', where an alternate counterpart of Killmonger admits to being an anime fan.

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