History YMMV / BioShockInfinite

15th Aug '16 11:06:34 AM TheCuza
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* ThatOneBoss: [[spoiler:Lady Comstock]], the Siren fight. Recycled two more times after the first initial boss fight. Her [[NightOfTheLivingMooks undead mooks]] are almost infinite (yet almost none of them drop ammo) and she can drop your shields and a large chunk of health every time she gets near you. Plus she leaves you ''absolutely nothing'' when you win. Not to mention that the two game-breaking Gears are useless - Winter Shield can't be activated due to the lack of Sky lines or Sky Hooks, and the mooks keep respawning without any food due to you having already used it. Also qualifies as a GoddamnedBoss since she flies all around the arena and is hard to actually target. It helps to remember that she needs a body to resurrect, so the Shock Jockey can vape her goons at a high salt cost, but that's still a lot of goons to vape. It should also be noted that while this does work, it isn't foolproof and you will catch her reviving piles of ash occasionally.

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* ThatOneBoss: [[spoiler:Lady Comstock]], the Siren fight. Recycled two more times after the first initial boss fight. Her [[NightOfTheLivingMooks undead mooks]] are almost infinite (yet almost none of them drop ammo) and she can drop your shields and a large chunk of health every time she gets near you. Plus she leaves you ''absolutely nothing'' when you win. Not to mention that the two game-breaking Gears are useless - Winter Shield can't be activated due to the lack of Sky lines or Sky Hooks, and the mooks keep respawning without any food due to you having already used it. Also qualifies as a GoddamnedBoss since she flies all around the arena and is hard to actually target. It helps to remember that she needs a body to resurrect, so the Shock Jockey can vape her goons at a high salt cost, but that's still a lot of goons to vape. It should also be noted that while this does work, it isn't foolproof and you will catch her reviving piles of ash occasionally. An alternate method is to use Undertow to move the bodies somewhere she can't get to them.
4th Aug '16 6:42:26 PM r3df0x123
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** [[spoiler:The latter interpretation is what got him killed in the first place, in the hands of a vengeful Elizabeth.]]
28th Jul '16 1:29:29 AM Eagal
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** A poster early in the game warning of the False Shepherd depicts the Lamb's face as [[http://25.media.tumblr.com/539e0eb3a94b2a1c95abd24e77db810f/tumblr_mp6hdrZcd31qdqlkxo5_1280.jpg a bit... too human]].

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** A poster early in the game warning of the False Shepherd depicts the Lamb's face as [[http://25.media.tumblr.com/539e0eb3a94b2a1c95abd24e77db810f/tumblr_mp6hdrZcd31qdqlkxo5_1280.jpg a bit... too human]].human.
27th Jul '16 8:47:45 PM Twilightisbestpony
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** [[http://fireden.net/4chan/images.4chan.org//vg/src/1366599548701.jpg The completely inappropriate and smouldering look Elizabeth gives at one point.]]
14th Jul '16 8:22:23 PM Blacknuz
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** Due to ItsShortSoItSucks, ''Burial At Sea'' is getting even more. Combined with the existing backlash about ''Infinite'' itself and the DLC had a fair amount of hatedom from the getgo.

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** Due to ItsShortSoItSucks, ''Burial At at Sea'' is getting even more. Combined with the existing backlash about ''Infinite'' itself and the DLC had a fair amount of hatedom from the getgo.



* ItsShortSoItSucks: The general reception towards the DLC ''Burial At Sea: Episode One'' is that it is very well done. However, it has received poor reviews from video game journalists due to its price-to-hours ratio. Because of this, part of the selling point for ''Episode Two'' was subsequently that it was a longer game.

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* ItsShortSoItSucks: The general reception towards the DLC ''Burial At at Sea: Episode One'' is that it is very well done. However, it has received poor reviews from video game journalists due to its price-to-hours ratio. Because of this, part of the selling point for ''Episode Two'' was subsequently that it was a longer game.



* LateArrivalSpoiler: ''Infinite'' has a storyline about multiple realities. Spoiled by Burial At Sea, which advertises itself as starring an alternate Booker and Elizabeth.

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* LateArrivalSpoiler: ''Infinite'' has a storyline about multiple realities. Spoiled by Burial At at Sea, which advertises itself as starring an alternate Booker and Elizabeth.



** [[spoiler:Daisy crosses this when she puts a gun to a young child's head and prepares to kill him. Fortunately, she is killed by Elizabeth before it can happen. Subverted by ''Burial At Sea'', which reveals that she was pulling a ThanatosGambit in order to give Elizabeth a greater resolve. She was never going to kill the child, and was initially ''very'' offended by the plan when she heard it from the Luteces.]]

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** [[spoiler:Daisy crosses this when she puts a gun to a young child's head and prepares to kill him. Fortunately, she is killed by Elizabeth before it can happen. Subverted by ''Burial At at Sea'', which reveals that she was pulling a ThanatosGambit in order to give Elizabeth a greater resolve. She was never going to kill the child, and was initially ''very'' offended by the plan when she heard it from the Luteces.]]



** ''Burial At Sea'' Episode 2

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** ''Burial At at Sea'' Episode 2



** ''Burial At Sea'' expands on this. While not ret-conning Fitzroy into a total saint, the DLC at least shows that, unlike many of her followers, [[EveryoneHasStandards there were some lines she herself wouldn't cross.]]

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** ''Burial At at Sea'' expands on this. While not ret-conning Fitzroy into a total saint, the DLC at least shows that, unlike many of her followers, [[EveryoneHasStandards there were some lines she herself wouldn't cross.]]



** The revelation of Daisy Fitzroy's HiddenDepths in ''Burial At Sea'' DLC more than qualify as one. The idea that she [[spoiler:unselfishly damaged her own reputation and died as a villain solely to motivate Elizabeth to fulfill her destiny]] and nobody mourns or realizes who she was, especially considering how horrible her life was already makes her a really tragic figure.

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** The revelation of Daisy Fitzroy's HiddenDepths in ''Burial At at Sea'' DLC more than qualify as one. The idea that she [[spoiler:unselfishly damaged her own reputation and died as a villain solely to motivate Elizabeth to fulfill her destiny]] and nobody mourns or realizes who she was, especially considering how horrible her life was already makes her a really tragic figure.
14th Jul '16 8:19:10 PM Blacknuz
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** In Eurogamer's [[http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-04-07-bioshock-2-retrospective BioShock 2 retrospective]], the author comments "I still want a [=BioShock=] Noir game where you're a private detective instead of a super commando wizard." Cue ''Burial At Sea'', wherein Booker is cast as a detective in a noir-flavoured Rapture.

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** In Eurogamer's [[http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-04-07-bioshock-2-retrospective BioShock 2 retrospective]], the author comments "I still want a [=BioShock=] Noir game where you're a private detective instead of a super commando wizard." Cue ''Burial At at Sea'', wherein Booker is cast as a detective in a noir-flavoured Rapture.
13th Jul '16 8:47:35 PM Blacknuz
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** [[http://www.gamespot.com/reviews/bioshock-infinite-a-fan-scorned/1900-6415464/ GameSpot's negative "re-review"]] six months has received divided responses. Many readers are accusing the review of being click bait to draw attention to the site's relaunch.

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** [[http://www.gamespot.com/reviews/bioshock-infinite-a-fan-scorned/1900-6415464/ GameSpot's negative "re-review"]] six months later has received divided responses. Many readers are accusing the review of being click bait to draw attention to the site's relaunch.



* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: In ''Burial At Sea'', [[spoiler:was that universe's Booker/Comstock genuinely regretful on what he did or is just a DirtyCoward]]?

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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: In ''Burial At at Sea'', [[spoiler:was that universe's Booker/Comstock genuinely regretful on what he did or is was he just a DirtyCoward]]?



** From Burial At Sea, [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5ATZq9vb6U Why Can't I Have A Slice of That Pie?]], a blues song sung by one of Atlas' {{Mooks}}.

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** From Burial At at Sea, [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5ATZq9vb6U Why Can't I Have A a Slice of That Pie?]], a blues song sung by one of Atlas' {{Mooks}}.



** There are also the fans of the first two games that flat-out ''refuse'' to play this installment, [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks simply because Andrew Ryan, the Big Daddies/Little Sisters, Rapture, etc. that so defined the other two games are missing in this one]], due to it being its own separate story. Though with the ability to jump to other dimensions, the possibility of cameos might not be totally ruled out. Worth noting that ''VideoGame/BioShock2'' was widely criticized for being ItsTheSameNowItSucks. [[spoiler:Though the joke is on them (at least a little) because Booker and Elizabeth actually ''do'' go to Rapture near the end of the story. Though the visit is brief, a Big Daddy and Little Sister are present in the background.]] Furthermore, the "Burial At Sea" DownloadableContent brings the series back to Rapture. They even got the original developers to do it.

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** There are also the fans of the first two games that flat-out ''refuse'' to play this installment, [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks simply because Andrew Ryan, the Big Daddies/Little Sisters, Rapture, etc. that so defined the other two games are missing in this one]], due to it being its own separate story. Though with the ability to jump to other dimensions, the possibility of cameos might not be totally ruled out. Worth noting that ''VideoGame/BioShock2'' was widely criticized for being ItsTheSameNowItSucks. [[spoiler:Though the joke is on them (at least a little) because Booker and Elizabeth actually ''do'' go to Rapture near the end of the story. Though the visit is brief, a Big Daddy and Little Sister are present in the background.]] Furthermore, the "Burial At at Sea" DownloadableContent brings the series back to Rapture. They even got the original developers to do it.



*** [[spoiler:This becomes a plot point in ''Episode 2'' of ''Burial At Sea'', where Daisy is vindicated with the reveal that the Luteces convinced Daisy to engineer the entire scenario to martyr herself for her revolution, so Elizabeth would have [[ARealManIsAKiller enough resolve]] to bring down Comstock once and for all. She actually was ''appalled'' with their suggestion to harm a child and only agreed after being assured that the child would be unharmed and her death would ensure Comstock's defeat. As such, the only true comparison that remains is both were willing to die for their beliefs.]]

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*** [[spoiler:This becomes a plot point in ''Episode 2'' of ''Burial At at Sea'', where Daisy is vindicated with the reveal that the Luteces convinced Daisy to engineer the entire scenario to martyr herself for her revolution, so Elizabeth would have [[ARealManIsAKiller enough resolve]] to bring down Comstock once and for all. She actually was ''appalled'' with their suggestion to harm a child and only agreed after being assured that the child would be unharmed and her death would ensure Comstock's defeat. As such, the only true comparison that remains is both were willing to die for their beliefs.]]



** Even though ''Burial At Sea'' received largely good reception pre-release, several players expressed annoyance about going back to Rapture, instead of looking at various alternate realities mentioned already. [[spoiler: Ultimately, however, Burial At Sea ended up being about alternative realities after all, including several sprung from ''Infinite'' itself.]]

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** Even though ''Burial At at Sea'' received largely good reception pre-release, several players expressed annoyance about going back to Rapture, instead of looking at various alternate realities mentioned already. [[spoiler: Ultimately, however, Burial At at Sea ended up being about alternative realities after all, including several sprung from ''Infinite'' itself.]]



*** Some in the latter camp [[spoiler:even argue that the ending tains the original ''[=BioShock=]'''s theme of Utopias always turning rotten and corrupt before finally collapsing in on themselves due to fundamental human errors in their inhabitants, by making Elizabeth, a outside force, having a direct and significant hand in Rapture's fall.]]

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*** Some in the latter camp [[spoiler:even argue that the ending tains taints the original ''[=BioShock=]'''s theme of Utopias always turning rotten and corrupt before finally collapsing in on themselves due to fundamental human errors in their inhabitants, by making Elizabeth, a outside force, having a direct and significant hand in Rapture's fall.]]



*** And if you know your music, you would have been tipped off at the very beginning of the dream sequence. [[spoiler:"La Vie En Rose" was not composed until ''1945.'']]

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*** And if you know your music, you would have been tipped off at the very beginning of the dream sequence. [[spoiler:"La Vie En en Rose" was not composed until ''1945.'']]
9th Jul '16 12:37:20 PM FortuneSnowman
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** A great deal of the main game could count towards this, actually. There are several reality jumps wherein situations you've caused or even affected are completely unrelated to each other, so the plot turns less into Booker and Elizabeth completing tasks to work their way forward and more of them conveniently stumbling upon the correct rift that furthers them along. The most glaring time this happens is the very first, wherein Booker must deliver a shipment of weapons to the Vox, but after using one of Elizabeth's rifts with the intent to do so, this goal is completely abandoned since the new reality the pair steps into just doesn't need it anymore. It's almost on the level of DeusExMachina since it implies that nothing Booker and Elizabeth do matters when they can just wander forward and find a new rift if they get stuck at any point.
4th Jul '16 3:15:40 PM Delphi
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** Elizabeth's design was changed in a 2011 update from [[http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20101021011535/bioshock/images/b/bd/Bioshockinfinite_elizabeth_portrait.png raven black hair, freckles with glassy, large eyes]] to [[http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110608010626/bioshock/images/2/26/Elizabeth.jpg brown hair, no freckles and smaller eyes]]. Fans are pretty split on if they want the old Elizabeth back or like the new one. Funnily enough, the old model still gets recycled [[spoiler:as one of the alternate Elizabeths in the ending]].

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** Elizabeth's design was changed in a 2011 update from [[http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20101021011535/bioshock/images/b/bd/Bioshockinfinite_elizabeth_portrait.png raven black hair, freckles with glassy, large eyes]] to [[http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110608010626/bioshock/images/2/26/Elizabeth.jpg brown hair, no freckles and smaller eyes]]. Fans are pretty split on if they want the old Elizabeth back or like the new one. Funnily enough, [[DevelopmentGag the old model still gets recycled recycled]] [[spoiler:as one of the alternate Elizabeths in the ending]].
14th Apr '16 12:38:29 PM BenOfHouston
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* AntiClimaxBoss: When you run into BigBad Comstock near the end of the game, despite having sent armies against you, tried DeathFromAbove, and even sent [[PersonOfMassDestruction Songbird]]. So naturally he'll be quite the [[AuthorityEqualsAsskicking difficult boss fight]] right? [[spoiler:Except Booker kills him by slamming his head a few times on a stone pedestal, and then drowns him.]]

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* AntiClimaxBoss: When you run into BigBad Comstock near the end of the game, despite having sent armies against you, tried DeathFromAbove, and even sent [[PersonOfMassDestruction Songbird]]. So naturally he'll be quite the [[AuthorityEqualsAsskicking difficult boss fight]] right? [[spoiler:Except Booker kills him by slamming his head a few times on a stone pedestal, and then drowns him. Justified since Comstock is revealed via audiolog in the the next room to have terminal cancer.]]
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