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* MagnificentBastard: Danny Buck Davidson is the [[AmoralAttorney District Attorney]] of Carthage, known for using unscrupulous method to convict those he deems criminals; one such method involves holding a contest where the last person with their hands on a car gets it for free waiting until five people are left where Danny proceeds to arrest them for grand theft auto. When he learns that Bernhardt "Bernie" Tiede murdered [[AssholeVictim Marjorie "Marge" Nugent]], Danny vows to get a successful conviction on Bernie. When facing opposition with the people of Carthage, Danny arranges Bernie's murder trial at a different town with an ignorant jury while painting Bernie in a bad light; this tactic works and the beloved Bernie is sentenced to life in prison for murdering someone universally despised.
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Did Bernie kill that woman out of sheer desperation of her dominating him and spreading her money around out of the goodness of his heart, or did he kill her in cold blood for her money and was so generous with her money to further ingratiate himself to the local population, and thus the local jury pool if and when he was caught? The fact that he didn't spend the money on himself supports this interpretation.
** Also, he could have been trying to overcompensate because of his guilty conscience.
** That Bernie is playing con man Harold Hill in the theater's production of ''Theatre/TheMusicMan'' is maybe the film's best acknowledgement that Bernie could be pulling the wool over Carthage's eyes.
** Also, he could have been trying to overcompensate because of his guilty conscience.
** That Bernie is playing con man Harold Hill in the theater's production of ''Theatre/TheMusicMan'' is maybe the film's best acknowledgement that Bernie could be pulling the wool over Carthage's eyes.
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: AlternativeCharacterInterpretation:
** Did Bernie kill that woman out of sheer desperation of her dominating him and spreading her money around out of the goodness of his heart, or did he kill her in cold blood for her money and was so generous with her money to further ingratiate himself to the local population, and thus the local jury pool if and when he was caught? The fact that he didn't spend the money on himself supports this interpretation.
** *** Also, he could have been trying to overcompensate because of his guilty conscience.
** *** That Bernie is playing con man Harold Hill in the theater's production of ''Theatre/TheMusicMan'' is maybe the film's best acknowledgement that Bernie could be pulling the wool over Carthage's eyes.eyes.
** If you squint, there's a glimmer of indication that Marjorie's marriage was extremely unhappy and controlling and that her relatives only care about her because they want her fortune. It's also vaguely implied that part of the reason Carthage dislikes her is because she suffered under the reputation of her tightfisted banker husband, who was notorious for rejecting loans. Bernie seems to be the only person who was ever genuinely kind to her. After a lifetime of loneliness and mistrust, she may have been so unfamiliar with true friendship and so desperate for company that she resorted to emotional manipulation to ensure that [[IJustWantToHaveFriends she would never be lonely again.]]
** Did Bernie kill that woman out of sheer desperation of her dominating him and spreading her money around out of the goodness of his heart, or did he kill her in cold blood for her money and was so generous with her money to further ingratiate himself to the local population, and thus the local jury pool if and when he was caught? The fact that he didn't spend the money on himself supports this interpretation.
** If you squint, there's a glimmer of indication that Marjorie's marriage was extremely unhappy and controlling and that her relatives only care about her because they want her fortune. It's also vaguely implied that part of the reason Carthage dislikes her is because she suffered under the reputation of her tightfisted banker husband, who was notorious for rejecting loans. Bernie seems to be the only person who was ever genuinely kind to her. After a lifetime of loneliness and mistrust, she may have been so unfamiliar with true friendship and so desperate for company that she resorted to emotional manipulation to ensure that [[IJustWantToHaveFriends she would never be lonely again.]]
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* FamilyUnfriendlyAesop: The movie tells you that you must always be criminally charged for murdering someone even if you're otherwise nice and well-liked, while your victim was an asshole who was universally despised and also abused you. As the real Bernie put it, he's in prison with people who committed far more heinous crimes but who will be released long before he will.
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** The movie tells you that you must always be criminally charged for murdering someone even if you're otherwise nice and well-liked, while your victim was an asshole who was universally despised and also abused you. As the real Bernie put it, he's in prison with people who committed far more heinous crimes but who will be released long before he will.
** The movie tells you that you must always be criminally charged for murdering someone even if you're otherwise nice and well-liked, while your victim was an asshole who was universally despised and also abused you. As the real Bernie put it, he's in prison with people who committed far more heinous crimes but who will be released long before he will.
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**FamilyUnfriendlyAesop: The movie tells you that you must always be criminally charged for murdering someone even if you're otherwise nice and well-liked, while your victim was an asshole who was universally despised and also abused you. As the real Bernie put it, he's in prison with people who committed far more heinous crimes but who will be released long before he will.
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* FridgeBrilliance: If you know the plot of the musical it's maybe a bit too perfect that Bernie and his theater group are putting on a production of ''Theatre/TheMusicMan''.
* FamilyUnfriendlyAesop: The movie tells you that you must always be criminally charged for murdering someone even if you're otherwise nice and well liked, while your victim was an asshole who was universally despised and also abused you.
* FamilyUnfriendlyAesop: The movie tells you that you must always be criminally charged for murdering someone even if you're otherwise nice and well liked, while your victim was an asshole who was universally despised and also abused you.
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* FridgeBrilliance: If you know the plot of the musical it's maybe a bit too perfect that Bernie and his theater group are putting on a production of ''Theatre/TheMusicMan''.
''Theatre/TheMusicMan''.[[note]]For what it's worth, using ''The Music Man'' was a deliberate decision on the part of the director. While Bernie really ''did'' murder Marjorie and then rush off to rehearse, the musical was actually ''Theatre/GuysAndDolls.''[[/note]]
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** The movie tells you that you must always be criminally charged for murdering someone even if you're otherwise nice andwell liked, well-liked, while your victim was an asshole who was universally despised and also abused you.you. As the real Bernie put it, he's in prison with people who committed far more heinous crimes but who will be released long before he will.
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** The movie tells you that you must always be criminally charged for murdering someone even if you're otherwise nice and
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* MoralEventHorizon: It appears the final straw for Bernie was when Marjorie verbally abused him for defending the black gardener she just fired apparently on a purely racist assumption and then physically prevented Bernie from leaving by closing the property gates on him. Then she makes him shoot a harmless armadillo!
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* MoralEventHorizon: It appears the final straw for Bernie was when Marjorie verbally abused him for defending the black gardener she just fired apparently on a purely racist assumption and then physically prevented Bernie from leaving by closing the property gates on him. Then she makes made him shoot a harmless armadillo!
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* MoralEventHorizon: It appears the final straw for Bernie was when Marjorie verbally abused him for defending the African American gardener she just fired apparently on a purely racist assumption and then physically prevented Bernie from leaving by closing the property gates on him. Then she makes him shoot a harmless armadillo!
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* MoralEventHorizon: It appears the final straw for Bernie was when Marjorie verbally abused him for defending the African American black gardener she just fired apparently on a purely racist assumption and then physically prevented Bernie from leaving by closing the property gates on him. Then she makes him shoot a harmless armadillo!
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* FamilyUnfriendlyAesop: The movie tells you that you must always be accountable for murdering someone even if you're otherwise nice and well liked, while your victim was an asshole who was universally despised and also abused you.
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* FamilyUnfriendlyAesop: The movie tells you that you must always be accountable criminally charged for murdering someone even if you're otherwise nice and well liked, while your victim was an asshole who was universally despised and also abused you.
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* FamilyUnfriendlyAesop: Basically the The movie tells you that you must always be accountable for murdering someone even if you're otherwise nice and well liked, while your victim was an asshole who was universally despised and also abused you.
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* FamilyUnfriendlyAesop: Basically the movie tells you that must always be accountable for murdering someone even if you're otherwise nice and well liked, while your victim was an asshole who was universally despised and also abused you.
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* SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped: You may be well liked (Bernie) and your victim may be universally despised (Marjorie) who may have abused you, but it doesn't excuse you to commit murder and you must still be held accountable for it.
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* MagnificentBastard: Danny Buck Davidson is the [[AmoralAttorney District Attorney]] of Carthage, known for using unscrupulous method to convict those he deems criminals; one such method involves holding a contest where the last person with their hands on a car gets it for free waiting until five people are left where Danny proceeds to arrest them for grand theft auto. When he learns that Bernhardt "Bernie" Tiede murdered [[AssholeVictim Marjorie "Marge" Nugent]], Danny vows to get a successful conviction on Bernie. When facing opposition with the people of Carthage, Danny arranges Bernie's murder trial at a different town with an ignorant jury while painting Bernie in a bad light; this tactic works and the beloved Bernie is sentenced to life in prison for murdering someone universally despised.
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* SomeAvilsNeedToBeDropped: SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped: You may be well liked (Bernie) and your victim may be universally despised (Marjorie) who may have abused you, but it doesn't excuse you to commit murder and you must still be held accountable for it.
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* SomeAvilsNeedToBeDropped: You may be well liked (Bernie) and your victim may be universally despised (Marjorie) who may have abused you, but it doesn't excuse you to commit murder and you must still be held accountable for it.
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** So much so that Richard Linklater used him in some anti-Ted Cruz commercials.
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* HarsherInHindsight: It was discovered in 2014 that the real-life Bernie had been sexually abused as a child and it's been claimed that his murder of Marjorie was brought on by a dissociative episode triggered by her abuse. This puts the already dark relationship in an even more uncomfortable light.
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* HeReallyCanAct: Creator/JackBlack as Bernie Tiede certainly turned a lot of critics' heads. While it's in the same wheelhouse of Black's usual LargeHam goofiness, Bernie is a noticeably [[DarkerAndEdgier darker]] and [[AffablyEvil more controlled]] portrayal.
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* HeReallyCanAct: SugarWiki/HeReallyCanAct: Creator/JackBlack as Bernie Tiede certainly turned a lot of critics' heads. While it's in the same wheelhouse of Black's usual LargeHam goofiness, Bernie is a noticeably [[DarkerAndEdgier darker]] and [[AffablyEvil more controlled]] portrayal.
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** That Bernie is playing conman Harold Hill in the theater's production of ''Theatre/TheMusicMan'' is maybe the film's best acknowledgement that Bernie could be pulling the wool over Carthage's eyes.
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** That Bernie is playing conman con man Harold Hill in the theater's production of ''Theatre/TheMusicMan'' is maybe the film's best acknowledgement that Bernie could be pulling the wool over Carthage's eyes.
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* HeReallyCanAct: Creator/JackBlack as Bernie Tiede certainly turned a lot of critic's heads. While it's in the same wheelhouse of Black's usual LargeHam goofiness, Bernie is a noticeably [[DarkerAndEdgier darker]] and [[AffablyEvil more controlled]] portrayal.
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* HeReallyCanAct: Creator/JackBlack as Bernie Tiede certainly turned a lot of critic's critics' heads. While it's in the same wheelhouse of Black's usual LargeHam goofiness, Bernie is a noticeably [[DarkerAndEdgier darker]] and [[AffablyEvil more controlled]] portrayal.
