History YMMV / BatmanReturns

2nd May '16 8:48:10 AM 10-13-2
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* MisaimedFandom:
** Michelle Pfeiffer's Catwoman became a popular feminist icon - which is somewhat understandable, since such characters were relatively few and far between in 1980s and early '90s mainstream films. But Selina herself realizes that she is not an empowering figure at all, but [[HeWhoFightsMonsters just as much a thug as the men who have persecuted her]]. This should be clear from the guilt-ridden scolding she gives herself while looking in a shop window, as well as the fact that she ''cries'' when Bruce challenges her to explain what she's really feeling.
** There are also some viewers who enjoy the (first) Christmas tree-lighting scene before it gets disrupted, and all of the good feeling and nostalgia it represents, especially if they remember similar tree-lightings or glamorous department stores similar to Shreck's from their childhoods. The director and screenwriter clearly intended everyone to view these proceedings with disdain, [[CrapSaccharineWorld as the Penguin (understandably) does]].
** Same could be said about the Christmas Eve costume ball. Yes, these are all [[UpperClassTwit Upper Class Twits]] and [[ParentalAbandonment lousy parents]], but their masks sure look funny and cool.
27th Mar '16 10:30:18 AM DesertDragon
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* FranchiseOriginalSin: Not only for this series but the entire genre, Catwoman was arguably the first ever Unneeded Secondary Villain In A Superhero Film Sequel. With Penguin and Schreck as the main villains, Selina was mostly in her own plot throughout the movie, and she only briefly works with the Penguin. And even then, her job--distracting Batman while the Penguin's mooks hack into the Batmobile--could have been done by another mook.
24th Mar '16 8:15:09 AM Peridonyx
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* HellIsThatNoise: Baby!Penguin's aggressive, squawk-like crying.
6th Mar '16 11:25:25 PM 10-13-2
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12th Feb '16 1:23:01 PM 10-13-2
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** A crude, loudmouthed tabloid celebrity with zero political experience inexplicably gaining mainstream popularity and running for political office despite having zero experience in public service? [[Creator/DonaldTrump Look like]] ''[[Creator/DonaldTrump Batman Returns]]' '[[Creator/DonaldTrump may have predicted the future]]!

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** A crude, loudmouthed tabloid celebrity with zero political experience inexplicably gaining mainstream popularity and running for political office despite having zero experience in public service? [[Creator/DonaldTrump Look like]] ''[[Creator/DonaldTrump Batman Returns]]' '[[Creator/DonaldTrump Returns]]'' [[Creator/DonaldTrump may have predicted the future]]!future]]! And an election to recall the Mayor? In 2003, the state of California held a recall election in a (successful) attempt to get rid of Governor Gray Davis - and who won that election? Creator/ArnoldSchwarzenegger! Yes, a future (as of 1992, that is) ''Batman'' villain, Danny [=DeVito's=] brother in ''{{Twins}}'', ''and'' the original [[TheTerminator Terminator]]...a version of which was built by Stan Winston, who also did the Penguin's makeup in this film.



** Completely averted in a coloring book published to market the movie to children, where Selina is depicted as a big-haired, Barbie-like blonde babe without glasses even before her transformation into Catwoman. (Kind of understandable since the activity book was for little kids, for whom BeautyEqualsGoodness.)

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** Completely averted in a coloring book published to market the movie to children, where Selina is depicted as a big-haired, Barbie-like blonde blond babe without glasses even before her transformation into Catwoman. (Kind of understandable since the activity book was for little kids, for whom BeautyEqualsGoodness.)
12th Feb '16 1:16:48 PM 10-13-2
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** A crude, loudmouthed tabloid celebrity with zero political experience inexplicably gaining mainstream popularity and running for political office despite having zero experience in public service? [[Creator/DonaldTrump Look like]] ''[[Creator/DonaldTrump Batman Returns]]' '[[Creator/DonaldTrump may have predicted the future]]!
** The Red Triangle Circus Gang, too. In 2012, the FBI designated the Juggalos (fans of Music/InsaneClownPosse) a gang!



** You have to admit that, as far as the unsuspecting citizens of Gotham are concerned, there's something strange about the mysterious closeness between the Penguin and Max Shreck - and not just because the Penguin calls Shreck "Maxie", which is a ''very'' affectionate name for a man he's known only a few days. Consider: From the very beginning, and even before he sponsors the Penguin's mayoral campaign, Max is always beside Oswald, always shielding him from the press and standing up for his rights, when there doesn't seem to be any reason why Max should care. (''We'' know, of course, what's going on between the two of them, but the characters in the movie itself can only speculate.) Of course, given what a ManipulativeBastard he is, it wouldn't be out of character for Max Shreck to subtly lead the media to believe this, in order to divert attention from his well-publicized power plant]].

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** You have to admit that, as far as the unsuspecting citizens of Gotham are concerned, there's something strange about the mysterious closeness between the Penguin and Max Shreck - and not just because the Penguin calls Shreck "Maxie", which is a ''very'' affectionate name for a man he's known only a few days. Consider: From the very beginning, and even before he sponsors the Penguin's mayoral campaign, Max is always beside Oswald, always shielding him from the press and standing up for his rights, when there doesn't seem to be any reason why Max should care. (''We'' know, of course, what's going on between the two of them, but the characters in the movie itself can only speculate.) Of course, given what a ManipulativeBastard he is, it wouldn't be out of character for Max Shreck to subtly lead the media to believe this, in order to divert attention from his well-publicized power plant]].plant.
7th Feb '16 4:40:56 PM nombretomado
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** The [[DirtyOldMan endlessly perverted]] Penguin can be seen as a dry run for Danny [=DeVito=]'s future role as [[ItsAlwaysSunnyInPhiladelphia Frank Reynolds.]]

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** The [[DirtyOldMan endlessly perverted]] Penguin can be seen as a dry run for Danny [=DeVito=]'s future role as [[ItsAlwaysSunnyInPhiladelphia [[Series/ItsAlwaysSunnyInPhiladelphia Frank Reynolds.]]
30th Jan '16 9:09:14 PM SpaceDrake
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* ContestedSequel: Fans of the first film and of the Batman films in general are split on this one: Some see it as the best of the pre-Nolan films, some see it as somewhat inferior to the first but better than the Schumacher films, some feel its darkness is too overwhelming even compared to the first film, and some just think it's the best Batman film, period.

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* ContestedSequel: Fans of the first film and of the Batman films in general are split on this one: Some see it as the best of the pre-Nolan films, some see it as somewhat inferior to the first but better than the Schumacher films, some feel its darkness is too overwhelming even compared to the first film, a few-but-increasing-number today feel the darkness and the ''camp'' end up clashing far too heavily and very badly muddle the film's identity (whereas ''Forever'' at least has a very good idea of what it wants to be as a film, as did ''Batman 1'') and some just think it's the best Batman film, period.
27th Jan '16 11:27:13 PM mlsmithca
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** JerkassWoobie: Catwoman and the Penguin.

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** * JerkassWoobie: Catwoman and the Penguin.
27th Jan '16 11:26:46 PM mlsmithca
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* MagnumOpus: According to the critics, for the pre-Nolan Batman films. It has the highest critical rating of any of the original 4 Batman films and while it remains divisive, it is widely seen as the deepest and most intellectual of the original run of films.



*** The brilliance of Penguin's character in ''Returns'' is that he was already on the other side of the line from the start of the movie. His reemergence into society, his attempts to gather census data on the populace of Gotham, all done from the start so he could identify and kill the first born children of every wealthy family in the city. It is even implied that he's already murdered children back when he was the "bird boy" at the Red Triangle Circus's freak show.

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*** ** The brilliance of Penguin's character in ''Returns'' is that he was already on the other side of the line from the start of the movie. His reemergence into society, his attempts to gather census data on the populace of Gotham, all done from the start so he could identify and kill the first born children of every wealthy family in the city. It is even implied that he's already murdered children back when he was the "bird boy" at the Red Triangle Circus's freak show.
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