History YMMV / BatmanForever

7th Dec '17 8:28:25 PM NWolfman
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* BigLippedAlligatorMoment: Dick Grayson's kung-fu laundry.
** Alfred had the same reaction the audience did.

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* BigLippedAlligatorMoment: Dick Grayson's kung-fu laundry.
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laundry. Alfred had the same reaction the audience did.



* EnsembleDarkhorse: Even people who aren't fans of the film still enjoy its version of The Riddler. It certainly helps that Creator/JimCarrey portrayed him and that [[SpotlightStealingSquad he had even more airtime than]] ''[[SpotlightStealingSquad Batman himself]]''. The Carrey Riddler has had ''some'' influence on damn near every portrayal of the character since, particularly Wally Wingert's take in [[VideoGame/BatmanArkhamSeries the Arkham games]].

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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Even people who aren't fans of the film still enjoy its version of The Riddler. It certainly helps that Creator/JimCarrey portrayed him he's played by Creator/JimCarrey, one of the few actors who can [[RuleOfSeanConnery still be entertaining in even the lousiest of movies]], and that has [[SpotlightStealingSquad he had even more airtime than]] ''[[SpotlightStealingSquad Batman himself]]''. The Carrey Riddler has had ''some'' influence on damn near every portrayal of the character since, particularly Wally Wingert's take in [[VideoGame/BatmanArkhamSeries the Arkham games]].
7th Dec '17 8:24:54 PM NWolfman
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* SoOkayItsAverage: The film arguably works better if one embraces it as a loud, larger than life and very colorful action adventure movie for the summer blockbuster set as opposed to a straight adaptation of Batman.
* TheScrappy: Opinions vary wildly about the cast of characters and how they were portrayed in this movie, but Creator/TommyLeeJones's Two-Face is consistently hated, due to taking a serious character torn between good and evil and reducing him to a cackling Joker-wannabe. Another point of sourness for the fanbase is how in this incarnation, he does do-over flips of his coin until he gets the decision he wants, which really goes against his character. And let's not really get into the fact that the Burton films, which are theoretically in-continuity with this film, set up Dent as being portrayed by Billy Dee Williams (which would thus give an actor of color a huge leading role in a superhero movie), and then suddenly in ''Forever'' Dent is portrayed by the very caucasian Jones...
** The security guard whom Batman has to save from Two-Face's acid trap at the beginning. Many viewers absolutely ''loathe'' the guy's dialogue.

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* SoOkayItsAverage: The film arguably works better if one embraces movie was exactly what the studio wanted, safe and marketable, and is considered disposable at worst and decent light entertainment at best. It definitely helps to think of it as a loud, larger than life and very colorful action adventure movie for the summer blockbuster set as opposed to a straight adaptation of Batman.
* TheScrappy: TheScrappy
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Opinions vary wildly about the cast of characters and how they were portrayed in this movie, but Creator/TommyLeeJones's Two-Face is consistently hated, due to taking a serious character torn between good and evil and reducing him to a cackling Joker-wannabe. Another point of sourness for the fanbase is how in this incarnation, he does do-over flips of his coin until he gets the decision he wants, which really goes against his character. And let's not really get into the fact that the Burton films, which are theoretically in-continuity with this film, set up Dent as being portrayed by Billy Dee Williams (which would thus give an actor of color a huge leading role in a superhero movie), and then suddenly in ''Forever'' Dent is portrayed by the very caucasian Jones...
** The security guard whom Batman has to save from Two-Face's acid trap at the beginning. Many viewers absolutely ''loathe'' beginning, especially for the guy's dialogue.way he manages to make unreadably silly dialogue sound even ''more'' ridiculous out loud.
3rd Dec '17 10:52:45 AM nombretomado
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** [[WebOriginal/AtopTheFourthWall It just raises too many questions.]]

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** [[WebOriginal/AtopTheFourthWall [[WebVideo/AtopTheFourthWall It just raises too many questions.]]
28th Nov '17 1:28:05 PM ClintEastwood
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* WhatAnIdiot:
** It never occurs to Bruce to update the Batcave's security after Dick finds his way in. Thus, the Riddler finds the entrance and enters with no difficulty.
** For that matter, he enters a machine that can read his mind ''in front of a crowd of people who can watch it on a screen''. Through this, the villains discover that he's Batman.
29th Sep '17 2:22:06 PM ghidorah15
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* SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic: Two particularly memorable singles from the movie, "Hold Me Thrill Me Kiss Me Kill Me" by Music/{{U2}} and "Kiss From A Rose" by Seal (which won him four Grammys, including Song of the Year). Elliot Goldenthal's score [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pexxk6tMKLQ was not too shabby either]], but your mileage may vary as to whether or not it was up to snuff with Creator/DannyElfman's music.

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* SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic: Two particularly memorable singles from the movie, "Hold Me Thrill Me Kiss Me Kill Me" by Music/{{U2}} and "Kiss From A Rose" by Seal (which won him four Grammys, including Song of the Year). Elliot Goldenthal's score [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pexxk6tMKLQ was not too shabby either]], but your mileage may vary as to whether or not it was up to snuff with Creator/DannyElfman's Music/DannyElfman's music.
11th Aug '17 3:32:52 PM HarryLovesHermione
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* ContestedSequel: These days, many consider it rather disgraceful, partly because [[FranchiseOriginalSin it established trends that led to the next movie and most consider it hurt superhero movies overall]]. On the other hand, some people still prefer it over its [[Film/BatmanReturns predecessor]] for giving Batman more screentime & treating him more like a hero rather than the borderline sociopath he can be in some other adaptations, and also for the film itself at least having a very consistent tone and identity (whereas ''Returns'' often had trouble with the darkness and camp clashing and leaving the film feeling like it didn't know what it wanted to be).

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* ContestedSequel: These days, many consider it rather disgraceful, partly because [[FranchiseOriginalSin it established trends that led to the next movie and most consider it hurt superhero movies overall]]. On the other hand, some people still prefer it over its [[Film/BatmanReturns predecessor]] for giving Batman more screentime screentime[[note]]Batman and Bruce Wayne have more on-screen time than the other films in the quadrilogy, clocking in at 48 minutes over the Burton films at 38 minutes and ''Batman & Robin'' clocking in at a scant 29 minutes.[[/note]] & treating him more like a hero rather than the borderline sociopath he can be in some other adaptations, and also for the film itself at least having a very consistent tone and identity (whereas ''Returns'' often had trouble with the darkness and camp clashing and leaving the film feeling like it didn't know what it wanted to be).
11th Jul '17 1:48:41 PM JulianLapostat
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** Val Kilmer as Batman is considered either a [[WhatTheHellCastingAgency travesty of casting]], or the first and so far only time an actor has really gotten and portrayed the modern version of the character (he's Batman all the time, whether in or out of the suit, and ''Bruce Wayne'' is the costume he wears). To Kilmer's credit, [[WordOfGod Bob Kane]] stated that Kilmer's take was his favorite big-screen version of Batman, of the ones Kane saw while he still lived.

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** Val Kilmer as Batman is considered either a [[WhatTheHellCastingAgency travesty of casting]], or the first and so far only time an actor has really gotten and portrayed the modern version of the character (he's Batman all the time, whether in or out of the suit, and ''Bruce Wayne'' is the costume he wears). To Kilmer's credit, co-creator [[WordOfGod Bob Kane]] stated that Kilmer's take was his favorite big-screen version of Batman, of the ones Kane saw while he still lived.



* MagnumOpusDissonance: Most people don't have very strong views on Val Kilmer as Batman with the kindest opinion being that he was good but had bad material to work with. Despite this, Bob Kane (Batman's creator) thought he played the role best.

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* MagnumOpusDissonance: Most people don't have very strong views on Val Kilmer as Batman with the kindest opinion being that he was good but had bad material to work with. Despite this, Bob Kane (Batman's creator) co-creator) thought he played the role best.
29th Jun '17 7:04:55 PM BatmanKalEl
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* BaseBreakingCharacterr: Two-Face. See HamAndCheese and TheScrappy. The general consensus is that Tommy Lee Jones' performance is great, but the way the character was written is not.

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* BaseBreakingCharacterr: BaseBreakingCharacter: Two-Face. See HamAndCheese and TheScrappy. The general consensus is that Tommy Lee Jones' performance is great, but the way the character was written is not.
29th Jun '17 7:04:37 PM BatmanKalEl
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* BaseBreaker: Two-Face. See HamAndCheese and TheScrappy. The general consensus is that Tommy Lee Jones' performance is great, but the way the character was written is not.

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* BaseBreaker: BaseBreakingCharacterr: Two-Face. See HamAndCheese and TheScrappy. The general consensus is that Tommy Lee Jones' performance is great, but the way the character was written is not.
15th Jun '17 10:30:23 PM nombretomado
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** Nygma's dream was to put a green-and-black Box in every home. Six years later, Microsoft's green-and-black XBox console debuted. Coincidence, or a sinister plot to turn gamers into brain-drained zombies? You decide!

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** Nygma's dream was to put a green-and-black Box in every home. Six years later, Microsoft's green-and-black XBox UsefulNotes/XBox console debuted. Coincidence, or a sinister plot to turn gamers into brain-drained zombies? You decide!
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