History YMMV / BatmanForever

2nd Apr '17 10:44:24 PM SpaceDrake
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* FranchiseOriginalSin: The movie adds a lot more humor, big-scale action sequences, memorable architecture along with a more form-fitting Batsuit that looked (and was, for the actor) more mobile and comfortable. These elements worked in its favor for being somewhat truer to the comics, but in retrospect, these elements laid the groundwork for their escalation in ''Film/BatmanAndRobin'', which suffered enormous criticism for all these things (campy humor, gratuitously grandiose action, outright {{Bizarrchitecture}} and the nipples on the batsuit) and made the super hero movie a hard sell for some time, and even made the early ''[[Film/XMen1 X-Men]]'' and ''[[Film/SpiderMan Spider-Man]]'' fight an uphill battle for respect.

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* FranchiseOriginalSin: The movie adds a lot more humor, big-scale action sequences, memorable architecture along with a more form-fitting Batsuit that looked (and was, for the actor) more mobile and comfortable. These elements worked in its favor for being somewhat truer to the comics, but in retrospect, these elements laid the groundwork for their escalation in ''Film/BatmanAndRobin'', which suffered enormous criticism for all these things (campy humor, gratuitously grandiose action, outright {{Bizarrchitecture}} and the nipples on the batsuit) and made the super hero movie a hard sell for some time, and even made the early ''[[Film/XMen1 X-Men]]'' and ''[[Film/SpiderMan Spider-Man]]'' films fight an uphill battle for respect.
21st Mar '17 5:02:35 AM SpaceDrake
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* FranchiseOriginalSin: The movie adds a lot more humor, big-scale action sequences, memorable architecture along with a more form-fitting Batsuit that looked (and was, for the actor) more mobile and comfortable. These elements worked in its favor for being somewhat truer to the comics, but in retrospect, these elements laid the groundwork for their escalation in ''Film/BatmanAndRobin'', which suffered enormous criticism for all these things (campy humor, gratuitously grandiose action, outright {{Bizarrchitecture}} and the nipples on the batsuit) and made the super hero movie a hard sell for some time, and even made the early ''[[Film/XMen1 X-Men]]'' and ''[[Film/SpiderMan]]'' fight an uphill battle for respect.

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* FranchiseOriginalSin: The movie adds a lot more humor, big-scale action sequences, memorable architecture along with a more form-fitting Batsuit that looked (and was, for the actor) more mobile and comfortable. These elements worked in its favor for being somewhat truer to the comics, but in retrospect, these elements laid the groundwork for their escalation in ''Film/BatmanAndRobin'', which suffered enormous criticism for all these things (campy humor, gratuitously grandiose action, outright {{Bizarrchitecture}} and the nipples on the batsuit) and made the super hero movie a hard sell for some time, and even made the early ''[[Film/XMen1 X-Men]]'' and ''[[Film/SpiderMan]]'' ''[[Film/SpiderMan Spider-Man]]'' fight an uphill battle for respect.
21st Mar '17 5:01:20 AM SpaceDrake
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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Even people who aren't fans of the film still enjoy its version of The Riddler. It certainly helps that Creator/JimCarrey portrayed him and that [[SpotlightStealingSquad he had even more airtime than]] ''[[SpotlightStealingSquad Batman himself]].'' The Carrey Riddler has had ''some'' influence on damn near every portrayal of the character since, particularly Wally Wingert's take in [[VideoGame/BatmanArkhamSeries the Arkham games]].

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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Even people who aren't fans of the film still enjoy its version of The Riddler. It certainly helps that Creator/JimCarrey portrayed him and that [[SpotlightStealingSquad he had even more airtime than]] ''[[SpotlightStealingSquad Batman himself]].'' himself]]''. The Carrey Riddler has had ''some'' influence on damn near every portrayal of the character since, particularly Wally Wingert's take in [[VideoGame/BatmanArkhamSeries the Arkham games]].



* FranchiseOriginalSin: The movie adds a lot more humor, big-scale action sequences, memorable architecture along with a more form-fitting Batsuit that looked (and was, for the actor) more mobile. These elements worked in its favor for being somewhat truer to the comics, but retrospectively ''Film/BatmanAndRobin'' was criticized for all those things (campy humor, gratuitously grandiose action, outright {{Bizarrchitecture}} and the nipples on the batsuit) such that it was distracting rather than immersive.

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* FranchiseOriginalSin: The movie adds a lot more humor, big-scale action sequences, memorable architecture along with a more form-fitting Batsuit that looked (and was, for the actor) more mobile. mobile and comfortable. These elements worked in its favor for being somewhat truer to the comics, but retrospectively ''Film/BatmanAndRobin'' was criticized in retrospect, these elements laid the groundwork for their escalation in ''Film/BatmanAndRobin'', which suffered enormous criticism for all those these things (campy humor, gratuitously grandiose action, outright {{Bizarrchitecture}} and the nipples on the batsuit) such that it was distracting rather than immersive.and made the super hero movie a hard sell for some time, and even made the early ''[[Film/XMen1 X-Men]]'' and ''[[Film/SpiderMan]]'' fight an uphill battle for respect.



* TheScrappy: Opinions vary wildly about the cast of characters and how they were portrayed in this movie, but Creator/TommyLeeJones's Two-Face is consistently hated, due to taking a serious character torn between good and evil and reducing him to a cackling Joker-wannabe. Another point of sourness for the fanbase is how in this incarnation, he does do-over flips of his coin until he gets the decision he wants, which really goes against his character.

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* TheScrappy: Opinions vary wildly about the cast of characters and how they were portrayed in this movie, but Creator/TommyLeeJones's Two-Face is consistently hated, due to taking a serious character torn between good and evil and reducing him to a cackling Joker-wannabe. Another point of sourness for the fanbase is how in this incarnation, he does do-over flips of his coin until he gets the decision he wants, which really goes against his character. And let's not really get into the fact that the Burton films, which are theoretically in-continuity with this film, set up Dent as being portrayed by Billy Dee Williams (which would thus give an actor of color a huge leading role in a superhero movie), and then suddenly in ''Forever'' Dent is portrayed by the very caucasian Jones...
17th Mar '17 6:38:35 AM AndyLA
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** A few years after playing Batman here, one film after ''Film/BatmanReturns'' which featured the character's most famous love interest in Catwoman, Creator/ValKilmer would play Moses in ''WesternAnimation/ThePrinceOfEgypt'', in which Creator/MichellePfeiffer, who played Catwoman in the previous film, played Moses's wife.

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** A few years after playing Batman here, one film after ''Film/BatmanReturns'' which featured the character's most famous love interest in Catwoman, Creator/ValKilmer would play Moses in ''WesternAnimation/ThePrinceOfEgypt'', in which Creator/MichellePfeiffer, who played Catwoman in the previous film, played Moses's wife. wife Tzipporah.
3rd Mar '17 5:39:23 PM crazyrabbits
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* FridgeLogic/FridgeHorror: Sure Batman wins in the end, but there's still a handful of thugs out there who may or may not know that he's really Bruce Wayne behind the mask.
4th Feb '17 2:14:31 PM NWolfman
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* AuthorsSavingThrow: Though held to higher esteem, the Burton movies were criticized over how loose Batman was about [[ThouShaltNotKill not killing his enemies]]. One of the things this movie was praised for was showing Batman being more thoughtful about that, [[HeWhoFightsMonsters as he found himself becoming what he hated]].

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Though held to higher esteem, the Burton movies were criticized over how loose Batman was about [[ThouShaltNotKill not killing his enemies]]. One of the things this movie was praised for was showing Batman being more thoughtful about that, [[HeWhoFightsMonsters as he found himself becoming what he hated]].hated]].
** The depiction of Dick Greyson/Robin is considered to be not only one of the best things about this movie, but one of the best depictions of the character in general, and Chris O'Donnell was praised for his performance as a young man in mourning.
12th Jan '17 12:55:30 AM AlternativeCola
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** The original idea of an African American Robin (with Marlon Wayans playing) for the film when Tim Burton was expected to direct it before Burton was demoted to producer and Wayans replaced by Chris O'Donnell would eventually happen with Duke Thomas in ''ComicBook/WeAreRobin'' storyline and even before, the ''ComicBook/FuturesEnd'' storyline.

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** The original idea of an African American Robin (with Marlon Wayans playing) for the film when Tim Burton was expected to direct it before Burton was demoted to producer and Wayans replaced by Chris O'Donnell would eventually happen with Duke Thomas in ''ComicBook/WeAreRobin'' storyline and even before, the ''ComicBook/FuturesEnd'' ''ComicBook/TheNew52FuturesEnd'' storyline.
12th Jan '17 12:53:46 AM AlternativeCola
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** The original idea of an African American Robin (with Marlon Wayans playing) for the film when Tim Burton was expected to direct it before Burton was demoted to producer and Wayans replaced by Chris O'Donnell would eventually happen with Duke Thomas in the ''ComicBook/RobinWar'' storyline and even before, the ''ComicBook/FuturesEnd'' storyline.

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** The original idea of an African American Robin (with Marlon Wayans playing) for the film when Tim Burton was expected to direct it before Burton was demoted to producer and Wayans replaced by Chris O'Donnell would eventually happen with Duke Thomas in the ''ComicBook/RobinWar'' ''ComicBook/WeAreRobin'' storyline and even before, the ''ComicBook/FuturesEnd'' storyline.
12th Jan '17 12:52:34 AM AlternativeCola
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** The original idea of an African American Robin (with Marlon Wayans playing) for the film when Tim Burton was expected to direct it before Burton was demoted to producer and Wayans replaced by Chris O'Donnell would eventually happen with Duke Thomas in the ''ComicBook/RobinWar'' storyline.

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** The original idea of an African American Robin (with Marlon Wayans playing) for the film when Tim Burton was expected to direct it before Burton was demoted to producer and Wayans replaced by Chris O'Donnell would eventually happen with Duke Thomas in the ''ComicBook/RobinWar'' storyline and even before, the ''ComicBook/FuturesEnd'' storyline.
12th Jan '17 12:50:48 AM AlternativeCola
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* The original idea of an African American Robin (with Marlon Wayans playing) for the film when Tim Burton was expected to direct it before Burton was demoted to producer and Wayans replaced by Chris O'Donnell would eventually happen with Duke Thomas in the ''ComicBook/RobinWar'' storyline.

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* ** The original idea of an African American Robin (with Marlon Wayans playing) for the film when Tim Burton was expected to direct it before Burton was demoted to producer and Wayans replaced by Chris O'Donnell would eventually happen with Duke Thomas in the ''ComicBook/RobinWar'' storyline.
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