History YMMV / BatmanForever

8th Feb '16 6:21:07 AM crazysamaritan
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** [[ThreeDMovie 3D TVs]] in your own home? ItWillNeverCatchOn. (But no, it still won't)
30th Jan '16 9:19:26 PM SpaceDrake
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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Even people who aren't fans of the film still enjoy its version of The Riddler. It certainly helps that Creator/JimCarrey portrayed him and that [[SpotlightStealingSquad he had even more airtime than]] ''[[SpotlightStealingSquad Batman himself]].''
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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Even people who aren't fans of the film still enjoy its version of The Riddler. It certainly helps that Creator/JimCarrey portrayed him and that [[SpotlightStealingSquad he had even more airtime than]] ''[[SpotlightStealingSquad Batman himself]].'''' The Carrey Riddler has had ''some'' influence on damn near every portrayal of the character since, particularly Wally Wingert's take in [[VideoGame/BatmanArkhamSeries the Arkham games]].
30th Jan '16 9:17:03 PM SpaceDrake
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* ContestedSequel: It's considered either fun despite being inferior and LighterAndSofter, or just outright disgraceful. On the other hand some people prefer it over its [[Film/BatmanReturns predecessor]] for giving Batman more screentime, and treating him more heroic rather than the borderline sociopath. ** Val Kilmer as Batman is considered either a [[WhatTheHellCastingAgency travesty of casting]], or the first and so far only time an actor has really gotten and portrayed the modern version of the character (he's Batman all the time, whether in or out of the suit, and Bruce Wayne is the costume he wears). To Kilmer's credit, however, Bob Kane stated that he was his favorite actor to play Batman.
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* ContestedSequel: It's considered either fun despite being inferior These days, many consider it rather disgraceful, partly because [[FranchiseOriginalSin established trends that led to the next movie and LighterAndSofter, or just outright disgraceful. hurt superhero movies overall]]. On the other hand hand, some people still prefer it over its [[Film/BatmanReturns predecessor]] for giving Batman more screentime, and screentime & treating him more heroic rather than the borderline sociopath. sociopath, and also for the film itself at least having a very consistent tone and identity (whereas ''Returns'' often had trouble with the darkness and camp clashing and leaving the film feeling like it didn't know what it wanted to be). ** Val Kilmer as Batman is considered either a [[WhatTheHellCastingAgency travesty of casting]], or the first and so far only time an actor has really gotten and portrayed the modern version of the character (he's Batman all the time, whether in or out of the suit, and Bruce Wayne ''Bruce Wayne'' is the costume he wears). To Kilmer's credit, however, [[WordOfGod Bob Kane Kane]] stated that he Kilmer's take was his favorite actor to play big-screen version of Batman.
16th Jan '16 7:20:39 PM Angeldeb82
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*** [[spoiler:He finally gets a happy ending at the end of Christopher Nolan's TheDarkKnightRises, made a little more than a decade later]].
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*** [[spoiler:He finally gets a happy ending at the end of Christopher Nolan's TheDarkKnightRises, made a little more than a decade later]].later.]]

* EnsembleDarkhorse: Even people who aren't fans of the film still enjoy its version of The Riddler. It certainly helps that Creator/JimCarrey portrayed him and that [[SpotlightStealingSquad he had even more airtime than]] ''[[SpotlightStealingSquad Batman himself.]]''
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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Even people who aren't fans of the film still enjoy its version of The Riddler. It certainly helps that Creator/JimCarrey portrayed him and that [[SpotlightStealingSquad he had even more airtime than]] ''[[SpotlightStealingSquad Batman himself.]]''himself]].''

* FranchiseOriginalSin: The movie adds a lot more humor, big-scale action sequences, memorable architecture along with a more form-fitting Batsuit that looked (and was, for the actor) more mobile. These elements worked in its favor for being somewhat truer to the comics, but retrospectively ''Film/{{Batman and Robin}}'' was criticized for all those things (campy humor, gratuitously grandiose action, outright {{Bizarrchitecture}} and the nipples on the batsuit) such that it was distracting rather than immersive.
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* FranchiseOriginalSin: The movie adds a lot more humor, big-scale action sequences, memorable architecture along with a more form-fitting Batsuit that looked (and was, for the actor) more mobile. These elements worked in its favor for being somewhat truer to the comics, but retrospectively ''Film/{{Batman and Robin}}'' ''Film/BatmanAndRobin'' was criticized for all those things (campy humor, gratuitously grandiose action, outright {{Bizarrchitecture}} and the nipples on the batsuit) such that it was distracting rather than immersive.

** Creator/SamRaimi lobbied to direct a movie where a SadisticChoice basically boiled down to TheHero having to decide between his civilian LoveInterest or his superhero life and getting out of it by TakingAThirdOption. [[Film/SpiderMan1 Sounds familiar...]]
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** Creator/SamRaimi lobbied to direct a movie where a SadisticChoice basically boiled down to TheHero having to decide between his civilian LoveInterest {{Love Interest|s}} or his superhero life and getting out of it by TakingAThirdOption.[[TakeAThirdOption Taking a Third Option]]. [[Film/SpiderMan1 Sounds familiar...]]

* TheProblemWithLicensedGames: The 16-bit games, published by Acclaim, is a platformer/fighter using ''VideoGame/MortalKombat''-style controls. It was met with mediocre reviews. [[LoadsAndLoadsOfLoading It also had huge loading times]] in the UsefulNotes/{{SNES}}/Super Famicom version. Easily one of the most frustrating of the ''Batman'' licensed games, combining the clunkiness of a BeatEmUp with the blind jumps of a [[PlatformHell platformer]](!) and confounding controls which caused most players to become stumped on the very first screen. For this reason, WebVideo/TheAngryVideoGameNerd gives this particular game a ''well-deserved'' ripping apart during his [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFvtk5toGJg two]]-[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dvs6JDSBqoE part]] Batman special. It might be worth taking the game for a spin, as it does experiment with some novel ideas.
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* TheProblemWithLicensedGames: The 16-bit games, published by Acclaim, is a platformer/fighter using ''VideoGame/MortalKombat''-style controls. It was met with mediocre reviews. [[LoadsAndLoadsOfLoading It also had huge loading times]] in the UsefulNotes/{{SNES}}/Super Famicom version. Easily one of the most frustrating of the ''Batman'' licensed games, combining the clunkiness of a BeatEmUp with the blind jumps of a [[PlatformHell platformer]](!) {{platform|Hell}}er(!) and confounding controls which caused most players to become stumped on the very first screen. For this reason, WebVideo/TheAngryVideoGameNerd gives this particular game a ''well-deserved'' ripping apart during his [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFvtk5toGJg two]]-[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dvs6JDSBqoE part]] Batman special. It might be worth taking the game for a spin, as it does experiment with some novel ideas.
28th Dec '15 7:32:34 AM Kitch
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* MisBlamed: Joel Schumacher is a big, big Batman fan and wanted to adapt ''ComicBook/BatmanYearOne''. It was the studio that forced him to go the LighterAndSofter route.
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* MisBlamed: Joel Schumacher is a big, big Batman fan and wanted to adapt ''ComicBook/BatmanYearOne''. [[ExecutiveMeddling It was the studio studio]] that forced him to go the LighterAndSofter route.
30th Sep '15 7:45:21 PM Anicomicgeek
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** Dick Grayson claiming he's Batman. Or mayber a reverse version since he was handed the mantle briefly in 1994 for the Progidal storyline. ** Both Two-Face and ''Film/TheDarkKnight'''s Joker commandeer a semi in the same fashion.
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** Dick Grayson claiming he's Batman. Or mayber maybe a reverse version since he was handed the mantle briefly in 1994 for the Progidal ''Progidal'' storyline. ** Both Two-Face and ''Film/TheDarkKnight'''s Joker commandeer a semi vehicle in the same fashion.

** A few years after playing Batman here, one film after ''BatmanReturns'' which featured the character's most famous love interest in Catwoman, ValKilmer would play Moses in ''ThePrinceOfEgypt'', in which MichellePfeiffer, who played Catwoman in the previous film, played Moses's wife.
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** A few years after playing Batman here, one film after ''BatmanReturns'' ''Film/BatmanReturns'' which featured the character's most famous love interest in Catwoman, ValKilmer Creator/ValKilmer would play Moses in ''ThePrinceOfEgypt'', ''WesternAnimation/ThePrinceOfEgypt'', in which MichellePfeiffer, Creator/MichellePfeiffer, who played Catwoman in the previous film, played Moses's wife.
30th Jul '15 10:45:19 AM DoctorSleep
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** Tommy Lee Jones as Two-Face. Harvey Dent is supposed to look young and handsome and his actor wasn't aging very well when he was cast. For comparison, Billy Dee Williams was ''50'' when he played Harvey Dent and still looked younger than his successor.
24th Jul '15 5:34:44 PM MagBas
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unfortunate implications need citations
%%* UnfortunateImplications: Billy Dee Williams and Marlon Wayans, two black actors, were contracted to appear as Harvey Dent and Dick Grayson respectively. Warner Bros bought out both of their contracts and replaced them with two white actors. Yes, you can make the argument that Two-Face and Robin are traditionally white, but it doesn't look good especially with the all white cast.
12th Jul '15 10:27:52 AM Anicomicgeek
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* OlderThanTheyThink: ''Forever'' gets credited with the idea of Two-Face referring to himself in plural terms--despite not being the only time it's happened or even the first, as Andrew Helfer (who wrote ''Batman Annual'' #14, one of the first post-Crisis stories dealing with Two-Face) and Doug Moench (who helped write ''ComicBook/{{Knightfall}}'' and wrote the ''ComicBook/BatmanVampire'' trilogy) having done it, too (and said Annual and ''Knightfall'' actually predating ''Forever'').
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* OlderThanTheyThink: ''Forever'' gets credited with the idea of Two-Face referring to himself in plural terms--despite not being the only time it's happened or even the first, as Andrew Helfer (who wrote ''Batman Annual'' #14, one of the first post-Crisis stories dealing with Two-Face) Two-Face's background) and Doug Moench (who helped write ''ComicBook/{{Knightfall}}'' and wrote the ''ComicBook/BatmanVampire'' trilogy) having done it, too (and said Annual and ''Knightfall'' actually predating ''Forever'').

* TookTheBadFilmSeriously: Michael Gough as Alfred. ** ValKilmer makes a pretty sincere effort as Batman/Bruce Wayne despite the uneven tone of the film.
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* TookTheBadFilmSeriously: TookTheBadFilmSeriously: ** Michael Gough as Alfred. ** ValKilmer Creator/ValKilmer makes a pretty sincere effort as Batman/Bruce Wayne despite the uneven tone of the film.
11th Jul '15 9:10:16 AM Anicomicgeek
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* OlderThanTheyThink: ''Forever'' gets credited with the idea of Two-Face referring to himself in plural terms--despite not being the only time it's happened or even the first, as Andrew Helfer (who wrote ''Batman Annual'' #14, one of the first post-Crisis stories dealing with Two-Face) and Doug Moench (who helped write ''ComicBook/{{Knightfall}}'' and wrote the ''ComicBook/BatmanVampire'' trilogy) having done it, too (and said Annual and ''Knightfall'' actually predating ''Forever'').
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