History YMMV / BatmanForever

11th Aug '17 3:32:52 PM HarryLovesHermione
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* ContestedSequel: These days, many consider it rather disgraceful, partly because [[FranchiseOriginalSin it established trends that led to the next movie and most consider it hurt superhero movies overall]]. On the other hand, some people still prefer it over its [[Film/BatmanReturns predecessor]] for giving Batman more screentime & treating him more like a hero rather than the borderline sociopath he can be in some other adaptations, and also for the film itself at least having a very consistent tone and identity (whereas ''Returns'' often had trouble with the darkness and camp clashing and leaving the film feeling like it didn't know what it wanted to be).

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* ContestedSequel: These days, many consider it rather disgraceful, partly because [[FranchiseOriginalSin it established trends that led to the next movie and most consider it hurt superhero movies overall]]. On the other hand, some people still prefer it over its [[Film/BatmanReturns predecessor]] for giving Batman more screentime screentime[[note]]Batman and Bruce Wayne have more on-screen time than the other films in the quadrilogy, clocking in at 48 minutes over the Burton films at 38 minutes and ''Batman & Robin'' clocking in at a scant 29 minutes.[[/note]] & treating him more like a hero rather than the borderline sociopath he can be in some other adaptations, and also for the film itself at least having a very consistent tone and identity (whereas ''Returns'' often had trouble with the darkness and camp clashing and leaving the film feeling like it didn't know what it wanted to be).
11th Jul '17 1:48:41 PM JulianLapostat
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** Val Kilmer as Batman is considered either a [[WhatTheHellCastingAgency travesty of casting]], or the first and so far only time an actor has really gotten and portrayed the modern version of the character (he's Batman all the time, whether in or out of the suit, and ''Bruce Wayne'' is the costume he wears). To Kilmer's credit, [[WordOfGod Bob Kane]] stated that Kilmer's take was his favorite big-screen version of Batman, of the ones Kane saw while he still lived.

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** Val Kilmer as Batman is considered either a [[WhatTheHellCastingAgency travesty of casting]], or the first and so far only time an actor has really gotten and portrayed the modern version of the character (he's Batman all the time, whether in or out of the suit, and ''Bruce Wayne'' is the costume he wears). To Kilmer's credit, co-creator [[WordOfGod Bob Kane]] stated that Kilmer's take was his favorite big-screen version of Batman, of the ones Kane saw while he still lived.



* MagnumOpusDissonance: Most people don't have very strong views on Val Kilmer as Batman with the kindest opinion being that he was good but had bad material to work with. Despite this, Bob Kane (Batman's creator) thought he played the role best.

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* MagnumOpusDissonance: Most people don't have very strong views on Val Kilmer as Batman with the kindest opinion being that he was good but had bad material to work with. Despite this, Bob Kane (Batman's creator) co-creator) thought he played the role best.
29th Jun '17 7:04:55 PM BatmanKalEl
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* BaseBreakingCharacterr: Two-Face. See HamAndCheese and TheScrappy. The general consensus is that Tommy Lee Jones' performance is great, but the way the character was written is not.

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* BaseBreakingCharacterr: BaseBreakingCharacter: Two-Face. See HamAndCheese and TheScrappy. The general consensus is that Tommy Lee Jones' performance is great, but the way the character was written is not.
29th Jun '17 7:04:37 PM BatmanKalEl
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* BaseBreaker: Two-Face. See HamAndCheese and TheScrappy. The general consensus is that Tommy Lee Jones' performance is great, but the way the character was written is not.

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* BaseBreaker: BaseBreakingCharacterr: Two-Face. See HamAndCheese and TheScrappy. The general consensus is that Tommy Lee Jones' performance is great, but the way the character was written is not.
15th Jun '17 10:30:23 PM nombretomado
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** Nygma's dream was to put a green-and-black Box in every home. Six years later, Microsoft's green-and-black XBox console debuted. Coincidence, or a sinister plot to turn gamers into brain-drained zombies? You decide!

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** Nygma's dream was to put a green-and-black Box in every home. Six years later, Microsoft's green-and-black XBox UsefulNotes/XBox console debuted. Coincidence, or a sinister plot to turn gamers into brain-drained zombies? You decide!
10th Jun '17 2:59:49 PM AlienPatch
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** The depiction of Dick Greyson/Robin is considered to be not only one of the best things about this movie, but one of the best depictions of the character in general, and Chris O'Donnell was praised for his performance as a young man in mourning.

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** The depiction of Dick Greyson/Robin Grayson/Robin is considered to be not only one of the best things about this movie, but one of the best depictions of the character in general, and Chris O'Donnell was praised for his performance as a young man in mourning.mourning. Also, [[Creator/DougWalker The Nostalgia Critic]] did mention that his suit in this movie actually did look classy and badass.



* ContestedSequel: These days, many consider it rather disgraceful, partly because [[FranchiseOriginalSin it established trends that led to the next movie and hurt superhero movies overall]]. On the other hand, some people still prefer it over its [[Film/BatmanReturns predecessor]] for giving Batman more screentime & treating him more like a hero rather than the borderline sociopath he can be in some other adaptations, and also for the film itself at least having a very consistent tone and identity (whereas ''Returns'' often had trouble with the darkness and camp clashing and leaving the film feeling like it didn't know what it wanted to be).

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* ContestedSequel: These days, many consider it rather disgraceful, partly because [[FranchiseOriginalSin it established trends that led to the next movie and most consider it hurt superhero movies overall]]. On the other hand, some people still prefer it over its [[Film/BatmanReturns predecessor]] for giving Batman more screentime & treating him more like a hero rather than the borderline sociopath he can be in some other adaptations, and also for the film itself at least having a very consistent tone and identity (whereas ''Returns'' often had trouble with the darkness and camp clashing and leaving the film feeling like it didn't know what it wanted to be).
9th May '17 6:07:23 PM Golondrina
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** In his podcast-exclusive commentary track for this film, KevinSmith jokes that Jon Favreau, who had a small role in the film, was taking notes for ''Film/IronMan'' considering Bruce Wayne's underground shuttle-pod from his office to the Cave is shot with a HUD and close-up view of our hero, just like in Favreau's superhero film 13 years later.

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** In his podcast-exclusive commentary track for this film, KevinSmith Creator/KevinSmith jokes that Jon Favreau, who had a small role in the film, was taking notes for ''Film/IronMan'' considering Bruce Wayne's underground shuttle-pod from his office to the Cave is shot with a HUD and close-up view of our hero, just like in Favreau's superhero film 13 years later.
2nd Apr '17 10:44:24 PM SpaceDrake
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* FranchiseOriginalSin: The movie adds a lot more humor, big-scale action sequences, memorable architecture along with a more form-fitting Batsuit that looked (and was, for the actor) more mobile and comfortable. These elements worked in its favor for being somewhat truer to the comics, but in retrospect, these elements laid the groundwork for their escalation in ''Film/BatmanAndRobin'', which suffered enormous criticism for all these things (campy humor, gratuitously grandiose action, outright {{Bizarrchitecture}} and the nipples on the batsuit) and made the super hero movie a hard sell for some time, and even made the early ''[[Film/XMen1 X-Men]]'' and ''[[Film/SpiderMan Spider-Man]]'' fight an uphill battle for respect.

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* FranchiseOriginalSin: The movie adds a lot more humor, big-scale action sequences, memorable architecture along with a more form-fitting Batsuit that looked (and was, for the actor) more mobile and comfortable. These elements worked in its favor for being somewhat truer to the comics, but in retrospect, these elements laid the groundwork for their escalation in ''Film/BatmanAndRobin'', which suffered enormous criticism for all these things (campy humor, gratuitously grandiose action, outright {{Bizarrchitecture}} and the nipples on the batsuit) and made the super hero movie a hard sell for some time, and even made the early ''[[Film/XMen1 X-Men]]'' and ''[[Film/SpiderMan Spider-Man]]'' films fight an uphill battle for respect.
21st Mar '17 5:02:35 AM SpaceDrake
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* FranchiseOriginalSin: The movie adds a lot more humor, big-scale action sequences, memorable architecture along with a more form-fitting Batsuit that looked (and was, for the actor) more mobile and comfortable. These elements worked in its favor for being somewhat truer to the comics, but in retrospect, these elements laid the groundwork for their escalation in ''Film/BatmanAndRobin'', which suffered enormous criticism for all these things (campy humor, gratuitously grandiose action, outright {{Bizarrchitecture}} and the nipples on the batsuit) and made the super hero movie a hard sell for some time, and even made the early ''[[Film/XMen1 X-Men]]'' and ''[[Film/SpiderMan]]'' fight an uphill battle for respect.

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* FranchiseOriginalSin: The movie adds a lot more humor, big-scale action sequences, memorable architecture along with a more form-fitting Batsuit that looked (and was, for the actor) more mobile and comfortable. These elements worked in its favor for being somewhat truer to the comics, but in retrospect, these elements laid the groundwork for their escalation in ''Film/BatmanAndRobin'', which suffered enormous criticism for all these things (campy humor, gratuitously grandiose action, outright {{Bizarrchitecture}} and the nipples on the batsuit) and made the super hero movie a hard sell for some time, and even made the early ''[[Film/XMen1 X-Men]]'' and ''[[Film/SpiderMan]]'' ''[[Film/SpiderMan Spider-Man]]'' fight an uphill battle for respect.
21st Mar '17 5:01:20 AM SpaceDrake
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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Even people who aren't fans of the film still enjoy its version of The Riddler. It certainly helps that Creator/JimCarrey portrayed him and that [[SpotlightStealingSquad he had even more airtime than]] ''[[SpotlightStealingSquad Batman himself]].'' The Carrey Riddler has had ''some'' influence on damn near every portrayal of the character since, particularly Wally Wingert's take in [[VideoGame/BatmanArkhamSeries the Arkham games]].

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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Even people who aren't fans of the film still enjoy its version of The Riddler. It certainly helps that Creator/JimCarrey portrayed him and that [[SpotlightStealingSquad he had even more airtime than]] ''[[SpotlightStealingSquad Batman himself]].'' himself]]''. The Carrey Riddler has had ''some'' influence on damn near every portrayal of the character since, particularly Wally Wingert's take in [[VideoGame/BatmanArkhamSeries the Arkham games]].



* FranchiseOriginalSin: The movie adds a lot more humor, big-scale action sequences, memorable architecture along with a more form-fitting Batsuit that looked (and was, for the actor) more mobile. These elements worked in its favor for being somewhat truer to the comics, but retrospectively ''Film/BatmanAndRobin'' was criticized for all those things (campy humor, gratuitously grandiose action, outright {{Bizarrchitecture}} and the nipples on the batsuit) such that it was distracting rather than immersive.

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* FranchiseOriginalSin: The movie adds a lot more humor, big-scale action sequences, memorable architecture along with a more form-fitting Batsuit that looked (and was, for the actor) more mobile. mobile and comfortable. These elements worked in its favor for being somewhat truer to the comics, but retrospectively ''Film/BatmanAndRobin'' was criticized in retrospect, these elements laid the groundwork for their escalation in ''Film/BatmanAndRobin'', which suffered enormous criticism for all those these things (campy humor, gratuitously grandiose action, outright {{Bizarrchitecture}} and the nipples on the batsuit) such that it was distracting rather than immersive.and made the super hero movie a hard sell for some time, and even made the early ''[[Film/XMen1 X-Men]]'' and ''[[Film/SpiderMan]]'' fight an uphill battle for respect.



* TheScrappy: Opinions vary wildly about the cast of characters and how they were portrayed in this movie, but Creator/TommyLeeJones's Two-Face is consistently hated, due to taking a serious character torn between good and evil and reducing him to a cackling Joker-wannabe. Another point of sourness for the fanbase is how in this incarnation, he does do-over flips of his coin until he gets the decision he wants, which really goes against his character.

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* TheScrappy: Opinions vary wildly about the cast of characters and how they were portrayed in this movie, but Creator/TommyLeeJones's Two-Face is consistently hated, due to taking a serious character torn between good and evil and reducing him to a cackling Joker-wannabe. Another point of sourness for the fanbase is how in this incarnation, he does do-over flips of his coin until he gets the decision he wants, which really goes against his character. And let's not really get into the fact that the Burton films, which are theoretically in-continuity with this film, set up Dent as being portrayed by Billy Dee Williams (which would thus give an actor of color a huge leading role in a superhero movie), and then suddenly in ''Forever'' Dent is portrayed by the very caucasian Jones...
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