History YMMV / Batgirl

17th Oct '17 10:55:19 AM lillolillo
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* FriendlyFandoms: Supergirl fans and Batgirl fans tend to get along marvelously, perhaps because of the similarities between both heroines (both are distaff counterparts of famous male heroes, both have been looked down on by comic fans because of it, both were fridged for decades, replaced and eventually brought back). Or perhaps because they are always friends in every comicverse and even other media as ''Franchise/TheDCAU'', ''WesternAnimation/SuperBestFriendsForever'' or ''WebAnimation/DCSuperHeroGirls''. Regardless of the reason, Kara Zor-El fans use to be Barbara Gordon (and/or Stephanie Brown) fans too, and vice versa; and both fandoms respect each other.
29th Apr '17 2:06:09 AM BronyoftheOctaves
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** Cassandra's ''flat out of friggen nowhere'' FaceHeelTurn is pretty disgusting event that lives in infamy for Batgirl fans, so much so that that a PlotHole AuthorsSavingThrow was gladly accepted just to have her be a good guy again.
1st Jan '17 9:23:31 AM Tron80
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** There ''are'' fans (such as the Feminist Batgirl tumblr) who believe that it was ridiculous for a woman in a comic book universe (surrounded by magicians, aliens, and mad scientists, most of whom have come back from the dead at least once) to remain paralyzed by a mere bullet wound, and have been waiting for Barbara to put the cowl back on since 1988.

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** There ''are'' fans (such as the Feminist Batgirl tumblr) who believe that it was ridiculous for a woman in a comic book universe (surrounded by magicians, aliens, and mad scientists, most of whom have come back from the dead at least once) to remain paralyzed by a mere bullet wound, and have been were waiting for Barbara to put the cowl back on since 1988.



** [[Comicbook/{{Supergirl}} Kara]] and Babs have gotten a fair quota of ShipTease since the Silver Age.



* TheWoobie: Stephanie maintains her enthusiasm despite the mistreatment she receives, both in-universe, and out.
** Cassandra is no slouch in the woobie department either. In her backstory alone she had quite possibly the most abusive childhood on the planet, which include being shot until she stopped reacting to the pain. After being traumatized by killing a man, she wanders the streets alone for ''ten years'' before being taken in by Oracle. As Batgirl, things get a bit better, but not by much: she ends up seemingly losing her best friend, fails to save several people, and ends up having fallings out with Batman, Oracle, and Robin at various points. And when she finally begins making friends in Bludhaven... [[ComicBook/InfiniteCrisis Infinite Crisis]] happens, at about the same time that she's forced to seemingly kill her own mother.

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* TheWoobie: TheWoobie:
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Stephanie maintains her enthusiasm despite the mistreatment she receives, both in-universe, and out.
** Cassandra is no slouch in the woobie department either. In her backstory alone she had quite possibly the most abusive childhood on the planet, which include being shot until she stopped reacting to the pain. After being traumatized by killing a man, she wanders the streets alone for ''ten years'' before being taken in by Oracle. As Batgirl, things get a bit better, but not by much: she ends up seemingly losing her best friend, fails to save several people, and ends up having fallings out with Batman, Oracle, and Robin at various points. And when she finally begins making friends in Bludhaven... [[ComicBook/InfiniteCrisis Infinite Crisis]] ''ComicBook/InfiniteCrisis'' happens, at about the same time that she's forced to seemingly kill her own mother.mother.

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25th Nov '16 1:16:49 PM Morgenthaler
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* MyRealDaddy: Ever since her ongoing, most generally associate Stephanie Brown with Bryan Q Miller, the writer of her series, rather than ChuckDixon, her creator; though, Dixon is generally respected otherwise.

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* MyRealDaddy: Ever since her ongoing, most generally associate Stephanie Brown with Bryan Q Miller, the writer of her series, rather than ChuckDixon, Creator/ChuckDixon, her creator; though, Dixon is generally respected otherwise.
3rd Apr '16 12:24:28 PM XSpectreGreyX
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* MarySue: Cassandra tended to fall into this as her character went on. Even her origin story establishes her with super human powers simply by being raised as ''combat'' as her only language, a father who is supposed to be a previously unheard of super mercenary on par with Comicbook/{{Deathstroke}}, and near automatic approval from the previous Batgirl Barbara Gordon after a storyline of Barbara disapproving of any new Batgirls. The epithet falters, however, in light of the complete lack of standard social skills and no understanding of what constitutes appropriate in several situations (usually to comic effect). They could have been emphasized more, but they were present until the massive FaceHeelTurn removed them completely through idiotic means. It's also negated by the fact that she fails ''a lot''.
2nd Apr '16 3:52:41 PM troodos
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** Cassandra is no slouch in the woobie department either. In her backstory alone she had quite possibly the most abusive childhood on the planet, which include being shot until she stopped reacting to the pain. After being traumatized by killing a man, she wanders the streets alone for ''ten years'' before being taken in by Oracle. As Batgirl, things get a bit better, but not by much: she ends up seemingly losing her best friend, fails to save several people, and ends up having fallings out with Batman, Oracle, and Robin at various points. And when she finally begins making friends in Bludhaven... [[ComicBook/InfiniteCrisis]] happens, at about the same time that she's forced to seemingly kill her own mother.

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** Cassandra is no slouch in the woobie department either. In her backstory alone she had quite possibly the most abusive childhood on the planet, which include being shot until she stopped reacting to the pain. After being traumatized by killing a man, she wanders the streets alone for ''ten years'' before being taken in by Oracle. As Batgirl, things get a bit better, but not by much: she ends up seemingly losing her best friend, fails to save several people, and ends up having fallings out with Batman, Oracle, and Robin at various points. And when she finally begins making friends in Bludhaven... [[ComicBook/InfiniteCrisis]] [[ComicBook/InfiniteCrisis Infinite Crisis]] happens, at about the same time that she's forced to seemingly kill her own mother.
2nd Apr '16 3:52:06 PM troodos
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* MarySue: Cassandra tended to fall into this as her character went on. Even her origin story establishes her with super human powers simply by being raised as ''combat'' as her only language, a father who is supposed to be a previously unheard of super mercenary on par with Comicbook/{{Deathstroke}}, and near automatic approval from the previous Batgirl Barbara Gordon after a storyline of Barbara disapproving of any new Batgirls. The epithet falters, however, in light of the complete lack of standard social skills and no understanding of what constitutes appropriate in several situations (usually to comic effect). They could have been emphasized more, but they were present until the massive FaceHeelTurn removed them completely through idiotic means.

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* MarySue: Cassandra tended to fall into this as her character went on. Even her origin story establishes her with super human powers simply by being raised as ''combat'' as her only language, a father who is supposed to be a previously unheard of super mercenary on par with Comicbook/{{Deathstroke}}, and near automatic approval from the previous Batgirl Barbara Gordon after a storyline of Barbara disapproving of any new Batgirls. The epithet falters, however, in light of the complete lack of standard social skills and no understanding of what constitutes appropriate in several situations (usually to comic effect). They could have been emphasized more, but they were present until the massive FaceHeelTurn removed them completely through idiotic means. It's also negated by the fact that she fails ''a lot''.



* TheWoobie: Stephanie maintains her enthusiasm despite the mistreatment she receives, both in-universe, and out.

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* TheWoobie: Stephanie maintains her enthusiasm despite the mistreatment she receives, both in-universe, and out.out.
** Cassandra is no slouch in the woobie department either. In her backstory alone she had quite possibly the most abusive childhood on the planet, which include being shot until she stopped reacting to the pain. After being traumatized by killing a man, she wanders the streets alone for ''ten years'' before being taken in by Oracle. As Batgirl, things get a bit better, but not by much: she ends up seemingly losing her best friend, fails to save several people, and ends up having fallings out with Batman, Oracle, and Robin at various points. And when she finally begins making friends in Bludhaven... [[ComicBook/InfiniteCrisis]] happens, at about the same time that she's forced to seemingly kill her own mother.
28th Feb '16 2:00:49 PM nombretomado
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* CrackPairing[=/=]CrossoverShip: Cassandra and CaptainAmerica. We're not kidding, it exists.

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* CrackPairing[=/=]CrossoverShip: Cassandra and CaptainAmerica.ComicBook/CaptainAmerica. We're not kidding, it exists.
16th Feb '16 7:15:50 PM SKJAM
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* FanonDiscontinuity: Generally everything that Adam Beechen is ignored by the fandom. When Creator/ScottSnyder included her in ''Gates of Gotham'', he disregarded the senseless rivalry between Dick and Cassandra in favor of a brother-sister relationship.

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* FanonDiscontinuity: Generally everything that Adam Beechen wrote is ignored by the fandom. When Creator/ScottSnyder included her in ''Gates of Gotham'', he disregarded the senseless rivalry between Dick and Cassandra in favor of a brother-sister relationship.
15th Feb '16 8:00:58 PM flyingfishcake
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** LesYay: Apparently, ComicBook/{{Supergirl}} watches ''those'' types of college movies. You know, the ones with pillow fights and [[SlumberParty Slumber Parties]], and she is just dying to reenact them with Stephanie. Later, [[ItMakesSenseInContext after Dracula appears]], Supergirl [[DressedInLayers rips off her top to reveal her costume beneath it]].

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* FanonDiscontinuity: Generally everything that Adam Beechen is ignored by the fandom. When Creator/ScottSnyder included her in ''Gates of Gotham'', he disregarded the senseless rivalry between Dick and Cassandra in favor of a brother-sister relationship.
* LesYay:
** LesYay: Apparently, ComicBook/{{Supergirl}} watches ''those'' types of college movies. You know, the ones with pillow fights and [[SlumberParty Slumber Parties]], and she is just dying to reenact them with Stephanie. Later, [[ItMakesSenseInContext after Dracula appears]], Supergirl [[DressedInLayers rips off her top to reveal her costume beneath it]].


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** Cassandra and Stephanie have gotten a fair share of this.
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