History YMMV / Batgirl

3rd Apr '16 12:24:28 PM XSpectreGreyX
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* MarySue: Cassandra tended to fall into this as her character went on. Even her origin story establishes her with super human powers simply by being raised as ''combat'' as her only language, a father who is supposed to be a previously unheard of super mercenary on par with Comicbook/{{Deathstroke}}, and near automatic approval from the previous Batgirl Barbara Gordon after a storyline of Barbara disapproving of any new Batgirls. The epithet falters, however, in light of the complete lack of standard social skills and no understanding of what constitutes appropriate in several situations (usually to comic effect). They could have been emphasized more, but they were present until the massive FaceHeelTurn removed them completely through idiotic means. It's also negated by the fact that she fails ''a lot''.
2nd Apr '16 3:52:41 PM troodos
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** Cassandra is no slouch in the woobie department either. In her backstory alone she had quite possibly the most abusive childhood on the planet, which include being shot until she stopped reacting to the pain. After being traumatized by killing a man, she wanders the streets alone for ''ten years'' before being taken in by Oracle. As Batgirl, things get a bit better, but not by much: she ends up seemingly losing her best friend, fails to save several people, and ends up having fallings out with Batman, Oracle, and Robin at various points. And when she finally begins making friends in Bludhaven... [[ComicBook/InfiniteCrisis]] happens, at about the same time that she's forced to seemingly kill her own mother.

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** Cassandra is no slouch in the woobie department either. In her backstory alone she had quite possibly the most abusive childhood on the planet, which include being shot until she stopped reacting to the pain. After being traumatized by killing a man, she wanders the streets alone for ''ten years'' before being taken in by Oracle. As Batgirl, things get a bit better, but not by much: she ends up seemingly losing her best friend, fails to save several people, and ends up having fallings out with Batman, Oracle, and Robin at various points. And when she finally begins making friends in Bludhaven... [[ComicBook/InfiniteCrisis]] [[ComicBook/InfiniteCrisis Infinite Crisis]] happens, at about the same time that she's forced to seemingly kill her own mother.
2nd Apr '16 3:52:06 PM troodos
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* MarySue: Cassandra tended to fall into this as her character went on. Even her origin story establishes her with super human powers simply by being raised as ''combat'' as her only language, a father who is supposed to be a previously unheard of super mercenary on par with Comicbook/{{Deathstroke}}, and near automatic approval from the previous Batgirl Barbara Gordon after a storyline of Barbara disapproving of any new Batgirls. The epithet falters, however, in light of the complete lack of standard social skills and no understanding of what constitutes appropriate in several situations (usually to comic effect). They could have been emphasized more, but they were present until the massive FaceHeelTurn removed them completely through idiotic means.

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* MarySue: Cassandra tended to fall into this as her character went on. Even her origin story establishes her with super human powers simply by being raised as ''combat'' as her only language, a father who is supposed to be a previously unheard of super mercenary on par with Comicbook/{{Deathstroke}}, and near automatic approval from the previous Batgirl Barbara Gordon after a storyline of Barbara disapproving of any new Batgirls. The epithet falters, however, in light of the complete lack of standard social skills and no understanding of what constitutes appropriate in several situations (usually to comic effect). They could have been emphasized more, but they were present until the massive FaceHeelTurn removed them completely through idiotic means. It's also negated by the fact that she fails ''a lot''.



* TheWoobie: Stephanie maintains her enthusiasm despite the mistreatment she receives, both in-universe, and out.

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* TheWoobie: Stephanie maintains her enthusiasm despite the mistreatment she receives, both in-universe, and out.out.
** Cassandra is no slouch in the woobie department either. In her backstory alone she had quite possibly the most abusive childhood on the planet, which include being shot until she stopped reacting to the pain. After being traumatized by killing a man, she wanders the streets alone for ''ten years'' before being taken in by Oracle. As Batgirl, things get a bit better, but not by much: she ends up seemingly losing her best friend, fails to save several people, and ends up having fallings out with Batman, Oracle, and Robin at various points. And when she finally begins making friends in Bludhaven... [[ComicBook/InfiniteCrisis]] happens, at about the same time that she's forced to seemingly kill her own mother.
28th Feb '16 2:00:49 PM nombretomado
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* CrackPairing[=/=]CrossoverShip: Cassandra and CaptainAmerica. We're not kidding, it exists.

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* CrackPairing[=/=]CrossoverShip: Cassandra and CaptainAmerica.ComicBook/CaptainAmerica. We're not kidding, it exists.
16th Feb '16 7:15:50 PM SKJAM
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* FanonDiscontinuity: Generally everything that Adam Beechen is ignored by the fandom. When Creator/ScottSnyder included her in ''Gates of Gotham'', he disregarded the senseless rivalry between Dick and Cassandra in favor of a brother-sister relationship.

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* FanonDiscontinuity: Generally everything that Adam Beechen wrote is ignored by the fandom. When Creator/ScottSnyder included her in ''Gates of Gotham'', he disregarded the senseless rivalry between Dick and Cassandra in favor of a brother-sister relationship.
15th Feb '16 8:00:58 PM flyingfishcake
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** LesYay: Apparently, ComicBook/{{Supergirl}} watches ''those'' types of college movies. You know, the ones with pillow fights and [[SlumberParty Slumber Parties]], and she is just dying to reenact them with Stephanie. Later, [[ItMakesSenseInContext after Dracula appears]], Supergirl [[DressedInLayers rips off her top to reveal her costume beneath it]].

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* FanonDiscontinuity: Generally everything that Adam Beechen is ignored by the fandom. When Creator/ScottSnyder included her in ''Gates of Gotham'', he disregarded the senseless rivalry between Dick and Cassandra in favor of a brother-sister relationship.
* LesYay:
** LesYay: Apparently, ComicBook/{{Supergirl}} watches ''those'' types of college movies. You know, the ones with pillow fights and [[SlumberParty Slumber Parties]], and she is just dying to reenact them with Stephanie. Later, [[ItMakesSenseInContext after Dracula appears]], Supergirl [[DressedInLayers rips off her top to reveal her costume beneath it]].


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** Cassandra and Stephanie have gotten a fair share of this.
20th Aug '15 3:25:30 AM Deadbeatloser22
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* MemeticSexGod: In-Universe, the Barbara Gordon Batgirl outfit is a Memetic Sex God Outfit. Barbara mentions that Dick got a 'certain look' when she had it on, and when Cass steals it, Tim notices her in that way for the first time.
30th Mar '15 6:59:53 PM Anicomicgeek
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* AuthorsSavingThrow: The revelation that Stephanie had not in fact died at the hands of Black Mask, but had been [[HesJustHiding smuggled out of the country by Leslie Thompkins]]. It was a blatant RetCon, but it salvaged Thompkin's character and reversed the StuffedIntoTheFridge of Steph's original death.

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* AuthorsSavingThrow: AuthorsSavingThrow:
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The revelation that Stephanie had not in fact died at the hands of Black Mask, but had been [[HesJustHiding smuggled out of the country by Leslie Thompkins]]. It was a blatant RetCon, but it salvaged Thompkin's character and reversed the StuffedIntoTheFridge of Steph's original death.



* BrokenBase[=/=]InternetBackdraft: Barbara reclaiming the title is either something that should have happened years ago or something that pushes her back and removes her character development; in both cases, it leads to discussions about what is more sexist, and the argument about what it means for the others.

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* BrokenBase[=/=]InternetBackdraft: BrokenBase[=/=]InternetBackdraft:
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Barbara reclaiming the title is either something that should have happened years ago or something that pushes her back and removes her character development; in both cases, it leads to discussions about what is more sexist, and the argument about what it means for the others.



* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: Wendy and her brother Marvin were heavy [[TheScrappy scrappies]] when they appeared in ''Comicbook/TeenTitans'', but [[AlasPoorScrappy their brutal exit from the series]] completely reversed fan opinion over night. Wendy's appearances in ''Batgirl'' have been well-received, with praise given for the development of her character as she adjusts to being a paraplegic and continuing to be an active crime-fighter.

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* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap:
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Wendy and her brother Marvin were heavy [[TheScrappy scrappies]] when they appeared in ''Comicbook/TeenTitans'', but [[AlasPoorScrappy their brutal exit from the series]] completely reversed fan opinion over night. Wendy's appearances in ''Batgirl'' have been well-received, with praise given for the development of her character as she adjusts to being a paraplegic and continuing to be an active crime-fighter.
30th Mar '15 6:59:53 PM Anicomicgeek
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* AuthorsSavingThrow: The revelation that Stephanie had not in fact died at the hands of Black Mask, but had been [[HesJustHiding smuggled out of the country by Leslie Thompkins]]. It was a blatant RetCon, but it salvaged Thompkin's character and reversed the StuffedIntoTheFridge of Steph's original death.

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* AuthorsSavingThrow: AuthorsSavingThrow:
**
The revelation that Stephanie had not in fact died at the hands of Black Mask, but had been [[HesJustHiding smuggled out of the country by Leslie Thompkins]]. It was a blatant RetCon, but it salvaged Thompkin's character and reversed the StuffedIntoTheFridge of Steph's original death.



* BrokenBase[=/=]InternetBackdraft: Barbara reclaiming the title is either something that should have happened years ago or something that pushes her back and removes her character development; in both cases, it leads to discussions about what is more sexist, and the argument about what it means for the others.

to:

* BrokenBase[=/=]InternetBackdraft: BrokenBase[=/=]InternetBackdraft:
**
Barbara reclaiming the title is either something that should have happened years ago or something that pushes her back and removes her character development; in both cases, it leads to discussions about what is more sexist, and the argument about what it means for the others.



* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: Wendy and her brother Marvin were heavy [[TheScrappy scrappies]] when they appeared in ''Comicbook/TeenTitans'', but [[AlasPoorScrappy their brutal exit from the series]] completely reversed fan opinion over night. Wendy's appearances in ''Batgirl'' have been well-received, with praise given for the development of her character as she adjusts to being a paraplegic and continuing to be an active crime-fighter.

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* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap:
**
Wendy and her brother Marvin were heavy [[TheScrappy scrappies]] when they appeared in ''Comicbook/TeenTitans'', but [[AlasPoorScrappy their brutal exit from the series]] completely reversed fan opinion over night. Wendy's appearances in ''Batgirl'' have been well-received, with praise given for the development of her character as she adjusts to being a paraplegic and continuing to be an active crime-fighter.
11th Aug '14 3:01:43 PM ablackraptor
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* BrokenBase[=InternetBackdraft=]: Barbara reclaiming the title is either something that should have happened years ago or something that pushes her back and removes her character development; in both cases, it leads to discussions about what is more sexist, and the argument about what it means for the others.

to:

* BrokenBase[=InternetBackdraft=]: BrokenBase[=/=]InternetBackdraft: Barbara reclaiming the title is either something that should have happened years ago or something that pushes her back and removes her character development; in both cases, it leads to discussions about what is more sexist, and the argument about what it means for the others.
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