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* RootingForTheEmpire: Charlie Meadows, of all people.
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* SugarWiki/HeartwarmingMoments: Much of Barton and Charlie's dialog just makes you feel fuzzy. [[spoiler:It all goes down the drain after TheReveal, however.]]
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* JerkassWoobie: Barton. Sure, he's a smug, condescending jerk convinced of his intellectual and moral superiority, which is why he deserves the rough treatment he got at the hands of Lipnick and the studio at the end of the movie. But ''nothing'' he did was so terrible as to justify the hell Charlie put him through.
* SugarWiki/HeartwarmingMoments: Much of Barton and Charlie's dialog just makes you feel fuzzy. [[spoiler:It all goes down the drain after TheReveal, however.]]
* SugarWiki/HeartwarmingMoments: Much of Barton and Charlie's dialog just makes you feel fuzzy. [[spoiler:It all goes down the drain after TheReveal, however.]]
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* JerkassWoobie: Barton. Sure, he's a smug, condescending jerk convinced of his intellectual and moral superiority, which is why he deserves the rough treatment he got at the hands of Lipnick and the studio at the end of the movie. But ''nothing'' he did was so terrible as to justify the hell Charlie put him through.
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** This film featured an ominous box and people asking what was inside it before ''Film/{{Seven}}'' was famous for it.
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** This film featured an ominous box and people asking what was inside it before [[Film/{{Seven}}]] was famous for it.
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** Was Charlie's friendly, endearing persona all just an act to hide murderous intentions all along, or is Charlie, in his own twisted way, a genuinely friendly man until his BerserkButton is pushed and "Madman Mundt" is unleashed? In other words, is he AffablyEvil or FauxAffablyEvil?
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** Was Charlie's friendly, endearing persona all just an act to hide [[spoiler: murderous intentions all along, or is Charlie, in his own twisted way, a genuinely friendly man until his BerserkButton is pushed and "Madman Mundt" is unleashed? In other words, is he AffablyEvil or FauxAffablyEvil? FauxAffablyEvil]]?
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* DiagnosedByTheAudience: To say [[spoiler:Charlie]] has some kind of mental disorder is putting it mildly. His willingness to murder over getting a noise complaint shows he lacks impulse control. This is on top of superficial charm and manipulative tendencies.
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* DiagnosedByTheAudience: To say [[spoiler:Charlie]] has some kind of mental disorder is putting it mildly. His willingness to murder ''[[DisproportionateRetribution over getting a noise complaint complaint]]'' shows he lacks impulse control. This is on top of superficial charm and manipulative tendencies.
* DracoInLeatherPants: [[spoiler: Charlie is just so damn charming and likable, many people side with him even when he's committed multiple homicides]].
* DracoInLeatherPants: [[spoiler: Charlie is just so damn charming and likable, many people side with him even when he's committed multiple homicides]].
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* JerkassWoobie: Barton. Sure, he's a smug, condescending jerk convinced of his intellectual and moral superiority, which justifies his treatment at the hands of Lipnick and the studio, when they blacklist him. But ''nothing'' he did was so terrible as to justify the hell Charlie put him through.
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* JerkassWoobie: Barton. Sure, he's a smug, condescending jerk convinced of his intellectual and moral superiority, which justifies his is why he deserves the rough treatment he got at the hands of Lipnick and the studio, when they blacklist him.studio at the end of the movie. But ''nothing'' he did was so terrible as to justify the hell Charlie put him through.
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* JerkassWoobie: Barton. Sure, he's a smug, condescending jerk convinced of his intellectual and moral superiority. But nothing he did was so terrible as to justify the hell that Charlie put him through. However, Barton's treatment at the hands of Lipnick and the studio at the end is EXACTLY what he deserved.
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* JerkassWoobie: Barton. Sure, he's a smug, condescending jerk convinced of his intellectual and moral superiority. superiority, which justifies his treatment at the hands of Lipnick and the studio, when they blacklist him. But nothing ''nothing'' he did was so terrible as to justify the hell that Charlie put him through. However, Barton's treatment at the hands of Lipnick and the studio at the end is EXACTLY what he deserved.
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* DiagnosedByTheAudience: To say [[spoiler:Charlie]] has some kind of mental disorder is putting it mildly. His willingness to murder over getting a noise complaint shows he has a lack of impulse control. This is on top of superficial charm and manipulative tendencies.
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* DiagnosedByTheAudience: To say [[spoiler:Charlie]] has some kind of mental disorder is putting it mildly. His willingness to murder over getting a noise complaint shows he has a lack of lacks impulse control. This is on top of superficial charm and manipulative tendencies.
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* StrawmanHasAPoint: [[spoiler:Jack Lipnick at the end. After all, Barton Fink was SUPPOSED to write a screenplay for a wrestling picture, not an angsty drama.]]
* VillainHasAPoint: Charlie's "Because you don't listen!" remark to Barton. While Barton didn't deserve to have his friends (and perhaps family) murdered, Barton's arrogant and condescending attitude towards the "common man" he pretends to champion make him less than sympathetic.
* VillainHasAPoint: Charlie's "Because you don't listen!" remark to Barton. While Barton didn't deserve to have his friends (and perhaps family) murdered, Barton's arrogant and condescending attitude towards the "common man" he pretends to champion make him less than sympathetic.
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* StrawmanHasAPoint: [[spoiler:Jack Lipnick at the end. After all, He rejects Barton Fink Fink's screenplay and places him under a contract that will not produce anything he writes until he learns to fall in line. On the other hand, Barton was SUPPOSED to write a screenplay for a wrestling picture, not an angsty drama.]]
* VillainHasAPoint: Charlie's "Because you don't listen!" remark to Barton. While Barton didn't deserve to have his friends (and perhaps family) murdered, Barton's arrogant and condescending attitude towards the "common man" he pretends to champion make him less than sympathetic.]]
* VillainHasAPoint: Charlie's "Because you don't listen!" remark to Barton. While Barton didn't deserve to have his friends (and perhaps family) murdered, Barton's arrogant and condescending attitude towards the "common man" he pretends to champion make him less than sympathetic.
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* DiagnosedByTheAudience: To say [[spoiler:Charlie]] has some kind of mental disorder is putting it mildly. His willingness to murder over getting a noise complaint shows he has a lack of impulse control. This is on top of superficial charm and manipulative tendencies.
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* JerkassWoobie: Barton. Sure, he's a smug, condescending jerk convinced of his intellectual and moral superiority. But nothing he did was so terrible as to justify the hell that Charlie put him through.
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** However, Barton's treatment at the hands of Lipnick and the studio at the end is EXACTLY what he deserved.
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* JerkassWoobie: Barton. Sure, he's a smug, condescending jerk convinced of his intellectual and moral superiority. But nothing he did was so terrible as to justify the hell that Charlie put him through.
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* HoYay: Barton denies that his relationship with Charlie was some sort of sex thing, claiming that they just wrestled.
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* NightmareFuel: You commit some incredibly minor offense against someone, such as a noise complaint. [[spoiler:By an unfortunate coincidence, this individual turns out to be a complete psychopath who proceeds to methodically murder everyone you know in revenge while simultaneously posing as your friend.]]
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** You commit some incredibly minor offense against someone, such as a noise complaint. [[spoiler:By an unfortunate coincidence, this individual turns out to be a complete psychopath who proceeds to methodically murder everyone you know in revenge while simultaneously posing as your friend.]]
** You commit some incredibly minor offense against someone, such as a noise complaint. [[spoiler:By an unfortunate coincidence, this individual turns out to be a complete psychopath who proceeds to methodically murder everyone you know in revenge while simultaneously posing as your friend.]]
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** [[spoiler: While we're at it, imagine witnessing the person next to you getting shotgunned by said psychopath, who has lit the hallway you're in on fire and begins charging at you, screaming at the top of his lungs, all without flinching at the fire trail following him before leaving you defenseless as he holds the shotgun right to your face.]]
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** However, it can be argued that Barton's dismissive treatment by Lipnick and the studio at the end is EXACTLY what he deserved.
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** However, it's arguable that Barton's dismissive treatment by Lipnick and the studio at the end is EXACTLY what he deserved.
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** However, it's arguable it can be argued that Barton's dismissive treatment by Lipnick and the studio at the end is EXACTLY what he deserved.
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Was Charlie's friendly, endearing persona all just an act to hide murderous intentions all along, or is Charlie, in his own twisted way, a genuinely friendly man until his BerserkButton is pushed and "Madman Mundt" is unleashed? In other words, is he AffablyEvil or FauxAffablyEvil?
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** While passion for your work is a good thing, sometimes you have to accept ExecutiveMeddling as a necessary evil for advancement. [[spoiler: Barton trying to be a passionate artist ends up torpedoing his relationship with Lipnick. Had he followed Lipnick's orders, Barton would've been in a better position professionally and financially]].
** Don't ever trust a total stranger, no matter how friendly they may act. [[spoiler: Barton letting Charlie into his life without scrutiny caused him tremendous personal agony]].
AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Was Charlie's friendly, endearing persona all just an act to hide murderous intentions all along, or is Charlie, in his own twisted way, a genuinely friendly man until his BerserkButton is pushed and "Madman Mundt" is unleashed? In other words, is he AffablyEvil orFauxAffablyEvil? FauxAffablyEvil?
** [[spoiler: Is Lipnick going to permanently torpedo Fink's career? Or will he eventually give Fink another chance if he shapes up and learns to follow orders? Is that what he means by "growing up a little"]].
** While passion for your work is a good thing, sometimes you have to accept ExecutiveMeddling as a necessary evil for advancement. [[spoiler: Barton trying to be a passionate artist ends up torpedoing his relationship with Lipnick. Had he followed Lipnick's orders, Barton would've been in a better position professionally and financially]].
** Don't ever trust a total stranger, no matter how friendly they may act. [[spoiler: Barton letting Charlie into his life without scrutiny caused him tremendous personal agony]].
AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Was Charlie's friendly, endearing persona all just an act to hide murderous intentions all along, or is Charlie, in his own twisted way, a genuinely friendly man until his BerserkButton is pushed and "Madman Mundt" is unleashed? In other words, is he AffablyEvil or
** [[spoiler: Is Lipnick going to permanently torpedo Fink's career? Or will he eventually give Fink another chance if he shapes up and learns to follow orders? Is that what he means by "growing up a little"]].
