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I remember the Guys (mostly Jon) going off about how Boggy is worst character in the game.
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* TheScrappy: Cries of "wahey!" aside, Boggy isn't well-liked among fans. Not only is he a neglectful father, preferring to go sledding, the sequel also reveals that he's gotten lazy and gave into his vices, much to his wife's chargin.
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* LoveToHate: [[BigBad Gruntilda]] is a WickedWitch with a massive ego who is willing to kidnap a child and murder the titular duo, their friends, and even her own sisters to achieve her plans. Nevertheless, she's so undeniably hilarious, hammy, and oddly charismatic that it's impossible not to enjoy her presence.
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* MyRealDaddy: No matter how long ''Banjo-Kazooie'' will be owned by Microsoft, you'll be hard-pressed to find a fan who doesn't think of them as a Creator/{{Nintendo}} property at heart thanks to the first two games, which were among the most popular games on the UsefulNotes/Nintendo64. Doesn't really help that the guys in charge dropped the series like a hot rock after ''Nuts & Bolts'', consigning the two to cameos and minor guest appearances for over a decade. A common refrain heard after Banjo and Kazooie were announced as DLC fighters for ''VideoGame/SuperSmashBrosUltimate'', and then later announced to be coming to UsefulNotes/NintendoSwitch Online, is that the two are finally back where they belong.
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* MyRealDaddy: No matter how long ''Banjo-Kazooie'' will be owned by Microsoft, you'll be hard-pressed to find a fan who doesn't think of them as a Creator/{{Nintendo}} property at heart thanks to the first two games, which were among the most popular games on the UsefulNotes/Nintendo64.Platform/Nintendo64. Doesn't really help that the guys in charge dropped the series like a hot rock after ''Nuts & Bolts'', consigning the two to cameos and minor guest appearances for over a decade. A common refrain heard after Banjo and Kazooie were announced as DLC fighters for ''VideoGame/SuperSmashBrosUltimate'', and then later announced to be coming to UsefulNotes/NintendoSwitch Online, is that the two are finally back where they belong.
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* SacredCow: Given that they're both considered some of the best games on the UsefulNotes/Nintendo64 and as such formed a huge part of many fans' childhoods, criticizing the first two games in a harsh manner online is not a good idea.
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* SacredCow: Given that they're both considered some of the best games on the UsefulNotes/Nintendo64 Platform/Nintendo64 and as such formed a huge part of many fans' childhoods, criticizing the first two games in a harsh manner online is not a good idea.
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Added example(s) This is a common enough discussion point nowadays that I think it’s fair to mention it.
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* HypeBacklash: The game has held SacredCow status for most of its lifetime, considered one of the best N64 games and often revered by gaming YouTubers who played it in their youth. Newer gamers don’t always see eye-to-eye, with some claiming that the artstyle is its whole gimmick while the gameplay is slow and uninteresting. Possible case of OnceOriginalNowCommon as many games similar to ''BK'' came out in the ensuing years, something even Rare themselves [[VideoGame/ConkersBadFurDay poked fun at.]]
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Evil Is Sexy TRS; this has become an objective, in-universe trope.
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** [[EvilIsSexy Hot Grunty]] from the first game's game-over screen, Mumbo Jumbo agrees.
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** [[EvilIsSexy Hot Grunty]] Grunty from the first game's game-over screen, Mumbo Jumbo agrees.
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* EvilIsSexy: Grunty becomes ''really'' beautiful when she absorbs Tooty's youth in the first game-over sequence.
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* RootingForTheEmpire: Several fans have admitted to preferring the original game's bad ending to the good one, thanks to a combination of EvilIsSexy, Mumbo potentially getting a girlfriend (never mind that said girlfriend is Grunty...), and Tootie's status as a FlatCharacter.
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* RootingForTheEmpire: Several fans have admitted to preferring the original game's bad ending to the good one, thanks to a combination of EvilIsSexy, fanservice, Mumbo potentially getting a girlfriend (never mind that said girlfriend is Grunty...), and Tootie's status as a FlatCharacter.
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** "Breegirl" for female fans of the games.
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** "Breegirl" for female fans of the games.
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* DesignatedMonkey: Many fans believe Gobi doesn't deserve to be a ButtMonkey, since it always results in him feeling miserable as a result. What doesn't help is that Banjo and Kazooie abuse him for his water always after they free him from imprisonment, making it seem as though they're [[YankTheDogsChain yanking the camel's chain]], and what's worse is that during the second go around, he's been imprisoned for ''two years'', only to have the cycle repeat once more.
* DesignatedVillain: Conga. Whereas other foes in the series either try and kill the pair over a Jiggy, one of Kazooie's usual insults, or for not handing over a pizza they don't actually have, he just chucks oranges at 'em for trespassing in his home. And unlike most bosses, three Jiggies involve causing his misfortune instead of one: there's one for making him attack the orange tiles, another one for stealing an orange and giving it to Chimpy nearby, who helps them out by raising a stump, getting them to where they can attack him with eggs for the third Jiggy.
* DesignatedVillain: Conga. Whereas other foes in the series either try and kill the pair over a Jiggy, one of Kazooie's usual insults, or for not handing over a pizza they don't actually have, he just chucks oranges at 'em for trespassing in his home. And unlike most bosses, three Jiggies involve causing his misfortune instead of one: there's one for making him attack the orange tiles, another one for stealing an orange and giving it to Chimpy nearby, who helps them out by raising a stump, getting them to where they can attack him with eggs for the third Jiggy.
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* DesignatedMonkey: Many fans believe Gobi doesn't deserve to be a ButtMonkey, since it always results in him feeling miserable as a result. What doesn't help is that Banjo and Kazooie abuse him for his water always after they free him from imprisonment, making it seem as though they're [[YankTheDogsChain yanking the camel's chain]], and what's worse is that during the second go around, he's been imprisoned for ''two years'', only to have the cycle repeat once more.
more. Now granted, the first time, he actively refused to give a palm tree he was laying in front of water, but the other times...
* DesignatedVillain: Conga. Whereas other foes in the series either try and kill the pair over a Jiggy, one of Kazooie's usual insults, or for not handing over a pizza they don't actually have, he just chucks oranges at 'em for trespassing in his home. And unlike most bosses, three Jiggies involve causing his misfortune instead of one: there's one for making him attack the orange tiles, another one for stealing an orange and giving it to Chimpy nearby, who helps them out by raising a stump, getting them to where they can attack him with eggs for the third Jiggy. Rare seems to have agreed as he's an ally in Banjo-Tooie.
* DesignatedVillain: Conga. Whereas other foes in the series either try and kill the pair over a Jiggy, one of Kazooie's usual insults, or for not handing over a pizza they don't actually have, he just chucks oranges at 'em for trespassing in his home. And unlike most bosses, three Jiggies involve causing his misfortune instead of one: there's one for making him attack the orange tiles, another one for stealing an orange and giving it to Chimpy nearby, who helps them out by raising a stump, getting them to where they can attack him with eggs for the third Jiggy. Rare seems to have agreed as he's an ally in Banjo-Tooie.
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** Whenever people talk about this game online, expect a few to make [[RhymesOnADime Gruntilda-like rhymes]].
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* MagnificentBitch: Gruntilda "Grunty" Winkybunion is an evil witch and the nemesis of Banjo and Kazooie. In the first game, Grunty tries to use a machine to steal the beauty of Banjo's sister and scatters the Jiggies and Jinjo people throughout the land, preventing Banjo from summoning the mighty Jinjonator to stop her. In the second game, after being resurrected, Grunty ruthlessly crushes her enemies: ripping pages from her sentient spell book for planning to betray her, and killing Bottles and the Jinjo King, leaving Banjo and Kazooie without their powerful allies to stand against her. In ''[[VideoGame/BanjoKazooieGruntysRevenge Grunty's Revenge]]'', she kidnaps Kazooie and forces Banjo to travel through time to save her, coming to a NearVillainVictory with her scheme.
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* FranchiseOriginalSin: The first game had only one instance of backtracking (using the Turbo Trainers in a sled race). ''Tooie'' and '''especially''' ''VideoGame/DonkeyKong64'' would include much more backtracking.
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* PresumedFlop: It's often assumed by many Western fans that this game (and its overall series) were not popular in Japan, because despite being a first-party Nintendo game, it was developed in Britain, and Japan is often stereotyped as strongly preferring domestic media to those produced overseas. This belief was exacerbated when ''VideoGame/DragonQuest's'' Hero was announced for ''VideoGame/SuperSmashBrosUltimate'' the same day as Banjo and Hero got a [[AmericansHateTingle tepid reaction]] from Western fans, leaving many of them to assume that Japan felt the same way about Banjo as the West did about Hero. However, that's not the case--the series is beloved in Japan as well, and Banjo's inclusion in ''Smash Bros.'' was accepted warmly there too.
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* FirstInstallmentWins: Despite a heavy contigent of fans considering ''Tooie'' an EvenBetterSequel, many other consider the first game better. Primarily due to them opining that its simplicity makes for a more enjoyable game compared to the chore-like nature of ''Tooie''. Additionally, they also argue that the DarkerAndEdgier nature of ''Tooie'''s humor also sucks out much of the original game's charm. Interestingly, the developers at Rare have similarly expressed a preference for the first game by virtue of the former point. The sentiment grow even further when discussing the GBA games and especially ''Nuts & Bolts''.
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* FirstInstallmentWins: Despite a heavy contigent of fans considering ''Tooie'' an EvenBetterSequel, many other consider the first game better. Primarily due to them opining that its simplicity makes for a more enjoyable game compared to the chore-like nature of ''Tooie''. Additionally, they also argue that the DarkerAndEdgier nature of ''Tooie'''s humor also sucks out much of the original game's charm. Interestingly, the developers at Rare have similarly expressed a preference for the first game by virtue of the former point. The sentiment grow grows even further when discussing the GBA games and especially ''Nuts & Bolts''.
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* FirstInstallmentWins: Despite a heavy contigent of fans considering ''Tooie'' an EvenBetterSequel, many other consider the first game better. Primarily due to them opining that its simplicity makes for a more enjoyable game compared to the chore-like nature of ''Tooie''. Additionally, they also argue that the DarkerAndEdgier nature of ''Tooie'''s humor also sucks out much of the original game's charm. Interestingly, the developers at Rare have similarly expressed a preference for the first game by virtue of the former point.
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* FirstInstallmentWins: Despite a heavy contigent of fans considering ''Tooie'' an EvenBetterSequel, many other consider the first game better. Primarily due to them opining that its simplicity makes for a more enjoyable game compared to the chore-like nature of ''Tooie''. Additionally, they also argue that the DarkerAndEdgier nature of ''Tooie'''s humor also sucks out much of the original game's charm. Interestingly, the developers at Rare have similarly expressed a preference for the first game by virtue of the former point. The sentiment grow even further when discussing the GBA games and especially ''Nuts & Bolts''.
