History YMMV / Bambi

17th Jul '17 6:22:46 PM Psi001
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* HeartwarmingInHindsight: Almost all the brief interactions between Bambi and his father the Great Prince in the movie are this as a result of the {{Interquel}}, ''Bambi II'', which shown that following the death of Bambi's mother, the Great Prince mellowed his aloof demeanour and formed a very close loving bond with son.
25th Jun '17 6:18:41 AM Sharlee
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** Also, did the hunter deliberately target a doe to shoot, or was Bambi's mother mistaken for a buck because her head wasn't clearly in view?
19th Jun '17 9:19:14 AM Rotide
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** We never see them so...[[DroppedABridgetOnHim maybe it's not even a man?]]

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** We never see them so...[[DroppedABridgetOnHim [[SamusIsAGirl maybe it's not even a man?]]
12th Jun '17 3:27:02 PM Psi001
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* FauxSymbolism: The scene where Bambi goes with his father after learning about his mother's death symbolizes the end of his childhood and innocence. This was exactly what Disney was going for with that scene.
11th Jun '17 5:46:16 PM MasterofGalaxies4628
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** The midquel elevates Ronno potentially from merely a sinister looking stag whose out to mate (if forcefully), to [[AlwaysSomeoneBetter a jealous rival of Bambi in almost every area]]. Does he genuinely target Feline as a mate, or does he take her out of spite or even intentionally to anger Bambi into another tussle as he did the midquel?

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** The midquel elevates Ronno potentially from merely a sinister looking stag whose who's out to mate (if forcefully), to [[AlwaysSomeoneBetter [[AlwaysSecondBest a jealous rival of Bambi in almost every area]]. Does he genuinely target Feline Faline as a mate, or does he take her out of spite or even intentionally to anger Bambi into another tussle as he did in the midquel?



* FranchiseOriginalSin: While obviously suffering far less from {{Disneyfication}} than either two films, Felix Salten's sequel book ''Bambi's Children'' is also LighterAndSofter from the original novel[[note]]though partially due to {{Bowdlerization}} by English translators[[/note]] and even mildly betrays some elements of realism for the sake of characterisation (Bambi for example is characterised as a warmer and less distant father, much as the Great Prince was in ''Bambi II''). It even goes a step further than the films do by humanising [[NothingIsScarier Man]].

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* FranchiseOriginalSin: While obviously suffering far less from {{Disneyfication}} than either two films, Felix Salten's sequel book ''Bambi's Children'' is also LighterAndSofter from the original novel[[note]]though partially due to {{Bowdlerization}} by English translators[[/note]] and even mildly betrays some elements of realism for the sake of characterisation characterization (Bambi for example is characterised characterized as a warmer and less distant father, much as the Great Prince was in ''Bambi II''). It even goes a step further than the films do by humanising humanizing [[NothingIsScarier Man]].



* {{Woolseyism}}: The Norwegian re-dub changes the line Thumper says in the beginning from: "Sure, let's go with that." to "Sure, that would rather fit!" Giving a plenty better reason to use the "Bambi" name.

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* {{Woolseyism}}: The Norwegian re-dub changes the line Thumper says in the beginning from: "Sure, let's go with that." to "Sure, that would rather fit!" Giving fit!", giving a plenty better reason to use the "Bambi" name.
2nd Jun '17 11:23:30 PM OnTheHillside
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* NarmCharm: The child voice actors aren't the best actors, but their performances are certainly cute. Their acting skills are ''just'' unpolished enough that they sound refreshingly like the little kids they really are -- Bambi's "Mother? Whatwegonna~dotoday?" is a prime example.

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* NarmCharm: The child voice actors aren't the best actors, but their performances are certainly cute. Their acting skills are ''just'' unpolished enough that they sound refreshingly like the little kids they really are -- Bambi's "Mother? Whatwegonna~dotoday?" line is a prime example.
2nd Jun '17 11:22:55 PM OnTheHillside
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* NarmCharm: The child voice actors aren't the best actors, but their performances are certainly cute.

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* NarmCharm: The child voice actors aren't the best actors, but their performances are certainly cute. Their acting skills are ''just'' unpolished enough that they sound refreshingly like the little kids they really are -- Bambi's "Mother? Whatwegonna~dotoday?" is a prime example.
2nd Jun '17 11:13:08 PM OnTheHillside
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** "I Bring You A Song", the love theme between Bambi and Faline.

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** "I Bring You A Song", the sensual, haunting love theme between Bambi and Faline.
2nd Jun '17 8:50:32 AM Psi001
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* AwesomeArt:
** This was one of the first Disney movies to have animals (in this case, deer) brought to the studio for the artists to closely reference for more accurate depictions of their movement, as opposed to the deer in ''Disney/SnowWhiteAndTheSevenDwarfs'', which look like flour sacks with long legs[[note]]Which is appropriate, as tumbling flour sacks are usually the first thing animators learn to animate[[/note]]. The result is easily one of the most beautiful films Disney ever made.
** The midquel had a surprisingly large budget for most DTV fare (enough to gain a theatrical release in several regions), resulting in animation and visuals that can ''almost'' match the original. Having Andreas Deja supervise certainly helped.

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* AwesomeArt:
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AwesomeArt: This was one of the first Disney movies to have animals (in this case, deer) brought to the studio for the artists to closely reference for more accurate depictions of their movement, as opposed to the deer in ''Disney/SnowWhiteAndTheSevenDwarfs'', which look like flour sacks with long legs[[note]]Which is appropriate, as tumbling flour sacks are usually the first thing animators learn to animate[[/note]]. The result is easily one of the most beautiful films Disney ever made.
** The midquel had a surprisingly large budget for most DTV fare (enough to gain a theatrical release in several regions), resulting in animation and visuals that can ''almost'' match the original. Having Andreas Deja supervise certainly helped.
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** Bruce Broughton tries his very best to match the elegance of the first film's soundtrack in the {{Interquel}}. The {{Leitmotif}} that [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PSAsYPUuDY throughout Bambi and the Great Prince's relationship is particularly moving]].
* BadassDecay: Either the midquel did a pretty good job of doing this to the formerly solemn and dignified Great Prince, or it makes him more badass by boosting his PapaWolf tendencies and having him directly take on a pack of vicious hunting dogs to save his son, all the while voiced by ''Creator/PatrickStewart'' this time round.
* BrokenBase: The midquel with many fans of the original. Is it another cheap and pointless direct-to-video abomination, or is it one of few Disney sequels that is up to par with the original? Is the plot and character handling more depthful and fill loose ends of the first, or is it derailment of the original's artistic approach in favour of contemporary cliches?
* ContestedSequel: ''Bambi II'', while rarely considered ''better'' than the original film, tends to be rather divisive with fans. It is at least often regarded as one of ''Disney Toon Studios''' best attempts at a follow-on film.



* FanDislikedExplanation: Most detractors of ''Bambi II's'' more thorough CharacterDevelopment of the cast (especially of [[BrokenAce the Great Prince]] and [[AlwaysSomeoneBetter Ronno]]) stem from the fact that the first film was primarily an environmental perspective piece with elements and characters [[TheyPlottedAPerfectlyGoodWaste intentionally left ambiguous and vague]]. The broader characterisations have some fans however, making it BetterThanCanon for them.
* FauxSymbolism:
** The scene where Bambi goes with his father after learning about his mother's death symbolizes the end of his childhood and innocence. This was exactly what Disney was going for with that scene.
** It was revealed in the "Making of ''Bambi II''" that the butterflies seen in Bambi's dream sequence and at the end of the movie are meant to symbolize Bambi's love for his mother in the former and his father in the latter. [[SugarWiki/HeartwarmingMoments D'awww.]]
* FoeYay: In ''Bambi II''. If you mute the audio, it often looks as if Ronno is hitting on Bambi.



* HilariousInHindsight:
** In 2002, Series/SaturdayNightLive TV Funhouse lampooned Disney's infamous direct to video sequels by having a skit about "Bambi 2002". Fast forward to 2006, and Disney would release a direct to video Bambi follow up (albeit a midquel, not a sequel). In a later skit, they acknowledged the midquel along with their Bambi 2002;
-->"Bambi II is going into the Disney Vault. After just 70 days on sale, the glorious Bambi II goes into the Disney Vault for 10 years along with Cinderella II, [[CallBack Bambi 2002]], Sleeping Beauty III: Lil' Sleepy Meets Aladdin, Hunchback VI: Air Dog Quasi, Mulan VIII: The Prozoids Strike Back, Jungle Book 3.0: Jungle Blog, and [[BreadEggsMilkSquick 101 Felations]]."
** The fact Disney made the midquel, [[Music/SgtPeppersLonelyHeartsClubBand when Bambi was sixty four]]. [[ContestedSequel Would you still need him]], [[CashCowFranchise would you still feed him]] indeed.



* JerkassWoobie: The Great Prince in the {{Interquel}}. He genuinely wants what is best for his son, unfortunately his aloof, unaffectionate nature and insistence on tradition leads him to be unintentionally rejectful towards Bambi emotionally at first. Being pained by the death of his mate helps matters even less.
* JustHereForGodzilla: Even those who didn't like the Interquel will admit enjoyment in hearing PatrickStewart's portrayal of The Great Prince.



* SoOkayItsAverage: While ''Bambi II'' is considered among the better Disney sequels, few consider it to be as good as the original movie and it is usually seen as average at best. The main complaints stem from that it either adds [[ItsTheSameNowItSucks too little to the Bambi universe]], or the changes it did make (i.e. Playing up contemporary humor, humanizing the characters personalities and using pop songs) [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks were not for the better.]]



* ToughActToFollow: Unlike most of Disney's sequels, ''Bambi II'' has garnered something of a CultClassic reputation due to much better animation and story direction. Even those who love the {{Interquel}} however will often admit it couldn't hope to match one of Disney's first and most iconic animated films.



* VisualEffectsOfAwesome:
** ''Bambi'' had more multiplane camera shots than any other film in Disney's history, and they are used to stunning effect, especially during the final shot of the opening, the "Little April Showers" sequence, and the ending. And then there's the painstakingly elaborate effects animation of the climatic forest fire...
** The midquel also set itself apart from most Disney sequel fare by having an impressive animation budget. Some of the forest shots are as lush as the original film and some impressively animated panning shots are used.
* {{Wangst}}: Bambi has this moment in ''Bambi II'' when he discovers his father was planning to send him off to live with another doe. And this is after they actually began to develop a bond with each other! And why? All because it's "[[BecauseDestinySaysSo what a prince would do]]." It actually gets Bambi so upset that he tells his dad:
-->'''Bambi:''' I wish Mother was here [[CallingTheOldManOut instead]] [[SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome of]] [[IWishedYouWereDead YOU!]]

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* VisualEffectsOfAwesome:
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VisualEffectsOfAwesome: ''Bambi'' had more multiplane camera shots than any other film in Disney's history, and they are used to stunning effect, especially during the final shot of the opening, the "Little April Showers" sequence, and the ending. And then there's the painstakingly elaborate effects animation of the climatic forest fire...
** The midquel also set itself apart from most Disney sequel fare by having an impressive animation budget. Some of the forest shots are as lush as the original film and some impressively animated panning shots are used.
* {{Wangst}}: Bambi has this moment in ''Bambi II'' when he discovers his father was planning to send him off to live with another doe. And this is after they actually began to develop a bond with each other! And why? All because it's "[[BecauseDestinySaysSo what a prince would do]]." It actually gets Bambi so upset that he tells his dad:
-->'''Bambi:''' I wish Mother was here [[CallingTheOldManOut instead]] [[SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome of]] [[IWishedYouWereDead YOU!]]
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22nd May '17 5:53:07 PM Psi001
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* JustHereForGodzilla: Even those who didn't like the Interquel will admit enjoyment in hearing PatrickStewart's portrayal of The Great Prince.
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