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12th Jun '17 5:50:17 PM Elyana
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* AssPull: [[spoiler: [[GreaterScopeVillain Ourouboros']] entire existence is a big one. Over the entire game, nothing hints at his existence and virtually everything implies that Airy is the BigBad. Then, either before (true ending) or after (normal ending), Airy suddenly reveals she's a higher power who receives no backstory or explanation for his existence. Ourouboros basically exists just to give a proper TrueFinalBoss.]]

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* AssPull: [[spoiler: [[GreaterScopeVillain Ourouboros']] entire existence is a big one. Over the entire game, nothing hints at his existence and virtually everything implies that Airy is the BigBad. Then, either before (true ending) or after (normal ending), Airy suddenly reveals she's actually serving a higher power who receives no backstory or explanation for his existence. Ourouboros basically exists just to give a proper TrueFinalBoss.]]
31st May '17 9:55:31 AM MissMokushiroku
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** [[spoiler:[[TheHeavy Airy]], fittingly titled "[[BigBad the Evil One]]", is the Piercer of Boundaries and [[TheDragon chief servant]] to the evil god Ouroboros. [[BitchInSheepsClothing Posing as a helpful fairy ally]] to the Warriors of Light in their mission to reactivate Luxendarc's corrupted crystals, Airy is in truth behind the opening of the Great Chasm and the wide swath of destruction it caused throughout Luxendarc, traveling from world to world and [[ManipulativeBitch manipulating the heroes]] into purifying the elemental crystals and thus linking those worlds to Ouroboros. Airy takes sadistic delight in manipulating the heroes like puppets and butchers them after she is done with them, having repeated the process with tens of thousands of worlds over a course of millions of years. Once she's ousted as Ouroboros's servant, Airy, in the false ending, quickly slaughters the party while taunting them about how she's manipulated them. Forced to rest in the Dark Aurora after being cheated of purifying the last crystal, Airy, once confronted by the revived heroes, decides to torture the warriors of light for five thousand years to bide her time, and pretends to have been possessed purely so she can shatter an already despondent Agnes's will further by revealing she is exactly the remorseless demon she appears to be. A deceitful monster under her seemingly innocent, childish exterior, Airy's singular wish was to allow her master access to the Celestial Realm in order to [[OmnicidalManiac destroy all reality]].]]
** [[spoiler:[[GreaterScopeVillain Ouroboros]] himself, the [[GodOfEvil God of Destruction]], plots to wreak havoc on the Celestial Realm, and is responsible for every catastrophic event in the game's plot. [[HiddenVillain Unseen until the game's true ending]], Ouroboros pulls the strings behind his servant Airy and oversees her link the tens of thousands of worlds that comprise reality in a bid to break the boundaries between them, utterly destroy all of them, and bring chaos to the Celestial Realm to [[InTheirOwnImage recreate reality in his own twisted image]]. Ouroboros [[YouHaveFailedMe devours his pleading servant]] once [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness he finally tires of her]], dismissively compares her to cattle, and, in the final battle, [[PlanetEater obliterates world after world]] for the sheer purpose of breaking the heroes' spirits, nothing less than utterly gleeful once they beg him to stop. Ouroboros, motivated solely by boredom and a lust for chaos, strife, hatred, and suffering--things he considers exciting--goes down as the greatest evil in the story.]]

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** [[spoiler:[[TheHeavy Airy]], Airy]]]], fittingly titled "[[BigBad the Evil One]]", is the Piercer of Boundaries and [[TheDragon chief servant]] to the evil god Ouroboros. [[BitchInSheepsClothing [[spoiler:[[BitchInSheepsClothing Posing as a helpful fairy ally]] to the Warriors of Light in their mission to reactivate Luxendarc's corrupted crystals, Airy is in truth behind the opening of the Great Chasm and the wide swath of destruction it caused throughout Luxendarc, traveling from world to world and [[ManipulativeBitch manipulating the heroes]] into purifying the elemental crystals and thus linking those worlds to Ouroboros. Airy Ouroboros.]] [[spoiler:Airy]] takes sadistic delight in manipulating the heroes like puppets and butchers them after she is done with them, having repeated the process with tens of thousands of worlds over a course of millions of years. Once she's ousted as Ouroboros's servant, Airy, [[spoiler:Airy]], in the false ending, quickly slaughters the party while taunting them about how she's manipulated them. Forced [[spoiler:Forced to rest in the Dark Aurora after being cheated of purifying the last crystal, Airy, Airy]], once confronted by the revived heroes, decides to torture the warriors of light for five thousand years to bide her time, and pretends to have been possessed purely so she can shatter an already despondent Agnes's will further by revealing she is exactly the remorseless demon she appears to be. A deceitful monster under her seemingly innocent, childish exterior, Airy's [[spoiler:Airy]]'s singular wish was to allow her master access to the Celestial Realm in order to [[OmnicidalManiac destroy all reality]].]]
reality]].
** [[spoiler:[[GreaterScopeVillain [[GreaterScopeVillain Ouroboros]] himself, the [[GodOfEvil God of Destruction]], plots to wreak havoc on the Celestial Realm, and is responsible for every catastrophic event in the game's plot. [[HiddenVillain Unseen until the game's true ending]], Ouroboros pulls the strings behind his servant Airy [[spoiler:Airy]] and oversees her link the tens of thousands of worlds that comprise reality in a bid to break the boundaries between them, utterly destroy all of them, and bring chaos to the Celestial Realm to [[InTheirOwnImage recreate reality in his own twisted image]]. Ouroboros [[YouHaveFailedMe devours his pleading servant]] once [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness he finally tires of her]], dismissively compares her to cattle, and, in the final battle, [[PlanetEater obliterates world after world]] for the sheer purpose of breaking the heroes' spirits, nothing less than utterly gleeful once they beg him to stop. Ouroboros, motivated solely by boredom and a lust for chaos, strife, hatred, and suffering--things he considers exciting--goes down as the greatest evil in the story.]]story.
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30th May '17 11:38:35 PM Hobgoblin
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* EvilIsSexy: Holly Whyte. [[spoiler: Airy]].

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* EvilIsSexy: Holly Whyte. Whyte, Mephilia Venus, and [[spoiler: Airy]].Airy's final form]] stand out most prominently.
30th May '17 11:37:40 PM Hobgoblin
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** [[TheHeavy Airy]], fittingly titled "[[BigBad the Evil One]]", is the Piercer of Boundaries and [[TheDragon chief servant]] to the evil god Ouroboros. [[BitchInSheepsClothing Posing as a helpful fairy ally]] to the Warriors of Light in their mission to reactivate Luxendarc's corrupted crystals, Airy is in truth behind the opening of the Great Chasm and the wide swath of destruction it caused throughout Luxendarc, traveling from world to world and [[ManipulativeBitch manipulating the heroes]] into purifying the elemental crystals and thus linking those worlds to Ouroboros. Airy takes sadistic delight in manipulating the heroes like puppets and butchers them after she is done with them, having repeated the process with tens of thousands of worlds over a course of millions of years. Once she's ousted as Ouroboros's servant, Airy, in the false ending, quickly slaughters the party while taunting them about how she's manipulated them. Forced to rest in the Dark Aurora after being cheated of purifying the last crystal, Airy, once confronted by the revived heroes, decides to torture the warriors of light for five thousand years to bide her time, and pretends to have been possessed purely so she can shatter an already despondent Agnes's will further by revealing she is exactly the remorseless demon she appears to be. A deceitful monster under her seemingly innocent, childish exterior, Airy's singular wish was to allow her master access to the Celestial Realm in order to [[OmnicidalManiac destroy all reality]].
** [[GreaterScopeVillain Ouroboros]] himself, the [[GodOfEvil God of Destruction]], plots to wreak havoc on the Celestial Realm, and is responsible for every catastrophic event in the game's plot. [[HiddenVillain Unseen until the game's true ending]], Ouroboros pulls the strings behind his servant Airy and oversees her link the tens of thousands of worlds that comprise reality in a bid to break the boundaries between them, utterly destroy all of them, and bring chaos to the Celestial Realm to [[InTheirOwnImage recreate reality in his own twisted image]]. Ouroboros [[YouHaveFailedMe devours his pleading servant]] once [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness he finally tires of her]], dismissively compares her to cattle, and, in the final battle, [[PlanetEater obliterates world after world]] for the sheer purpose of breaking the heroes' spirits, nothing less than utterly gleeful once they beg him to stop. Ouroboros, motivated solely by boredom and a lust for chaos, strife, hatred, and suffering--things he considers exciting--goes down as the greatest evil in the story.
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** [[TheHeavy [[spoiler:[[TheHeavy Airy]], fittingly titled "[[BigBad the Evil One]]", is the Piercer of Boundaries and [[TheDragon chief servant]] to the evil god Ouroboros. [[BitchInSheepsClothing Posing as a helpful fairy ally]] to the Warriors of Light in their mission to reactivate Luxendarc's corrupted crystals, Airy is in truth behind the opening of the Great Chasm and the wide swath of destruction it caused throughout Luxendarc, traveling from world to world and [[ManipulativeBitch manipulating the heroes]] into purifying the elemental crystals and thus linking those worlds to Ouroboros. Airy takes sadistic delight in manipulating the heroes like puppets and butchers them after she is done with them, having repeated the process with tens of thousands of worlds over a course of millions of years. Once she's ousted as Ouroboros's servant, Airy, in the false ending, quickly slaughters the party while taunting them about how she's manipulated them. Forced to rest in the Dark Aurora after being cheated of purifying the last crystal, Airy, once confronted by the revived heroes, decides to torture the warriors of light for five thousand years to bide her time, and pretends to have been possessed purely so she can shatter an already despondent Agnes's will further by revealing she is exactly the remorseless demon she appears to be. A deceitful monster under her seemingly innocent, childish exterior, Airy's singular wish was to allow her master access to the Celestial Realm in order to [[OmnicidalManiac destroy all reality]].
reality]].]]
** [[GreaterScopeVillain [[spoiler:[[GreaterScopeVillain Ouroboros]] himself, the [[GodOfEvil God of Destruction]], plots to wreak havoc on the Celestial Realm, and is responsible for every catastrophic event in the game's plot. [[HiddenVillain Unseen until the game's true ending]], Ouroboros pulls the strings behind his servant Airy and oversees her link the tens of thousands of worlds that comprise reality in a bid to break the boundaries between them, utterly destroy all of them, and bring chaos to the Celestial Realm to [[InTheirOwnImage recreate reality in his own twisted image]]. Ouroboros [[YouHaveFailedMe devours his pleading servant]] once [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness he finally tires of her]], dismissively compares her to cattle, and, in the final battle, [[PlanetEater obliterates world after world]] for the sheer purpose of breaking the heroes' spirits, nothing less than utterly gleeful once they beg him to stop. Ouroboros, motivated solely by boredom and a lust for chaos, strife, hatred, and suffering--things he considers exciting--goes down as the greatest evil in the story.
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story.]]
3rd May '17 12:29:42 AM AceOfScarabs
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** [[{{Plaguemaster}} Dr. Qada]], the Salve-Maker of Eternia's Black Blades, is the Duchy's resident MadScientist and an [[FatBastard obese]] [[AxCrazy psychopath]] who stands leagues over his more sympathetic compatriots. An utter [[TheSociopath sociopath]] willing to sacrifice leagues of Eternia's own men against the order of his superior [[NobleDemon Kamiizumi]] in the [[ForScience name of research]], Qada's experiments with the horrific [[DeadlyGas Toxic Mist]]--tales of which are relayed through the ghosts of his victims--killed thousands of men--including some of Eternia's own swordbearers--and ruined parts of the land itself, with Qada studying the effects of his work on the infected corpses. Qada, as TheMedic, also helped to heal both sides of Luxendarc's conflict, purely so he could use their healthy bodies as test subjects for further research. Qada's ambition extends to planning to wipe out the Council of Six with his equally-treacherous compatriots Fiore [=DeRosa=] and Erutus Profiteur to take over Eternia themselves, with Qada planning to unleash a fatal plague through Luxendarc and being completely unsure as to whether he wants to be remembered as a gloried hero for providing an antidote or a vile, disease-spreading madman. The vilest of the Eternian forces in every world he's seen in, Qada's own superior Kamiizumi [[EvenEvilHasStandards is reviled by him]] and kills Qada himself in one of the parallel worlds as a testament to Qada's endless, amoral thirst for knowledge, no matter the cost.

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** [[{{Plaguemaster}} Dr. Qada]], the Salve-Maker of Eternia's Black Blades, is the Duchy's resident MadScientist and an [[FatBastard obese]] [[AxCrazy psychopath]] who stands leagues over his more sympathetic compatriots. An utter [[TheSociopath sociopath]] willing to sacrifice leagues of Eternia's own men against the order of his superior [[NobleDemon Kamiizumi]] in the [[ForScience name of research]], Qada's experiments with the horrific [[DeadlyGas Toxic Mist]]--tales of which are relayed through the ghosts of his victims--killed thousands of men--including some of Eternia's own swordbearers--and ruined parts of the land itself, with Qada studying the effects of his work on the infected corpses. Qada, as TheMedic, also helped to heal both sides of Luxendarc's conflict, purely so he could use their healthy bodies as test subjects for further research. Qada's ambition extends to planning to wipe out the Council of Six with his equally-treacherous compatriots Fiore [=DeRosa=] and Erutus Profiteur to take over Eternia themselves, with Qada planning to unleash a fatal plague through Luxendarc and being completely unsure as to whether he wants to be remembered as a gloried hero for providing an antidote or a vile, disease-spreading madman. The vilest of the Eternian forces in every world he's seen in, Qada's own superior Kamiizumi [[EvenEvilHasStandards is reviled by him]] and kills Qada himself in one of the parallel worlds as a testament to Qada's endless, amoral thirst for knowledge, no matter the cost. Qada is so infamous that the Asterisk he used ends up being sealed away by the sequel, as no-one wanted to let his wicked knowledge contained in the Asterisk out into the wild.
3rd May '17 12:10:36 AM Chubzhac
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** Jackal's backstory is that he was abandoned by his family and no one was willing to care for him until he was taken in by thieves. Since Khint is the only person Jackal is shown to respect, it can be inferred that the Spell Fencer was among the thieves that took him in or he at least played some large part in Jackal's life. Keeping this in mind during Jackal's boss battle when Khint abandons him when fighting for him is no longer beneficial makes the scene much more sadder.



* TierInducedScrappy: Conjurer, despite being the final job received, having one of the best stat pools, an A ranking in every weapon, an ability that makes grinding a breeze and [[spoiler: being the personal job for the creator of the Asterisks]], is often shelvlined in favour of other jobs in actual battle thanks to its rather terrible movepool. What it amounts to is a set of user based buffs that are hideously expensive (90 MP, in a game where -ga attack spells cost half that amount) for a singular buff that lasts no longer than normal buffs, forces the it to use another ability to be useful and can be done better and with the entire party by a Performer. Unsurprisingly, it was one of the several jobs cut for [[VideoGame/BravelySecond the sequel]].
* WhatTheHellCostumingDepartment: Some of the jobs look noticeably weirder than their original counterparts in ''Franchise/FinalFantasy'', most noticeably male Valkyrie's gray bodysuit with eye-blocking helmet and spearheads around their legs and female Valkyrie's spearskirt, male Arcanist's red and black bodysuit with a tail and female Arcanist's skirt-and-bloomers combination also with a tail, Ranger's mascot head-and-tail combination and Time Mage's cumbersome helmet-and-collar combination that makes their face look like [[StealthPun a literal clock face]]. The former and latter are [[LampshadeHanging lampshaded]] when Einheria accidentally pokes Jackal in the leg with one of her spears, explaining that they exist so that she can do additional damage when she [[GoombaStomp jumps on her enemies]] and a lot of people mock Eloch's choice in headwear which he insists is the height of fashion.

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* TierInducedScrappy: Conjurer, despite being the final job received, having one of the best stat pools, an A ranking in every weapon, an ability that makes grinding a breeze and [[spoiler: being the personal job for the creator of the Asterisks]], is often shelvlined shelved in favour favor of other jobs in actual battle thanks to its rather terrible movepool. What it amounts to is a set of user based buffs that are hideously expensive (90 MP, in a game where -ga attack spells cost half that amount) for a singular buff that lasts no longer than normal buffs, forces the it to use another ability to be useful and can be done better and with the entire party by a Performer. Unsurprisingly, it was one of the several jobs cut for [[VideoGame/BravelySecond the sequel]].
* ValuesDissonance: When Jackal explains his backstory, that he was abandoned by his parents and the only people willing to care for him was a band of thieves, Tiz argues that his parents might have has a good reason for leaving him to fend for himself in the streets and that he should have spent his life trying to find them and forgive them for their actions. While Jackal's actions were inexcusable, Tiz is essentially saying that he should have devoted his life to searching for people who, for all he knows, left him to die as a child and that all he is to blame for all the issues he currently has. This is, unfortunately, reflective of the Japanese tendency to believe that all problems and failings a person has is their fault, even ones that were caused by others. To a western player it might seem that Tiz is being a naive victim blamer and they'll probably agree with Jackal that he sounds smug and self righteous.
* WhatTheHellCostumingDepartment: Some of the jobs look noticeably weirder than their original counterparts in ''Franchise/FinalFantasy'', most noticeably male Valkyrie's gray bodysuit with eye-blocking helmet and spearheads around their legs and female Valkyrie's spearskirt, male Arcanist's red and black bodysuit with a tail and female Arcanist's skirt-and-bloomers combination also with a tail, Ranger's mascot head-and-tail combination and Time Mage's cumbersome helmet-and-collar combination that makes their face look like [[StealthPun a literal clock face]]. The former and latter are [[LampshadeHanging lampshaded]] when Einheria accidentally pokes Jackal in the leg with one of her spears, explaining that they exist so that she can do additional damage when she [[GoombaStomp jumps on her enemies]] and a lot of people mock Eloch's choice in headwear headgear which he insists is the height of fashion.
2nd May '17 1:35:59 AM Chubzhac
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation:
** The four heroes are all sheltered, stubborn, sanctimonious morons who act on emotion and impulse and refuse to acknowledge any negative consequences their actions have caused as their fault.
** Braev Lee really was a [[KnightTemplar self righteous, corrupt tyrant]]. Even if he had good reasons to overthrow the Orthodoxy, he was still trying to expand his sphere of influence across the world through hostile means. The people he put in charge of his campaign for world conquest were a group of violent, unstable and immoral individuals who given little oversight in their actions. More than a few of them were children and teenagers, one of whom was an insane, dying child who got sicker whenever she overexerts herself. Furthermore, Edea's complete lack of knowledge about his uprising and the Orthodoxy implies that he may have been trying to [[WrittenByTheWinners rewrite history in his favor]], much like how the Orthodoxy did.



* HarsherInHindsight: The people of Caldisla giving Ringabel his name. This initially seems like a playful jab at his amnesia, [[spoiler: but then it's revealed that just before Ringabel showed up in town, Alternis had been roaming Caldisla helmet-less, helping out in hunts and making friends here and there. When Ringabel does show up, everyone just thinks he's being funny acting like he's forgotten everything. Jerks]]. Though in truth, [[spoiler:Alternis never stated that he gave them his name in the first place]].

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* HarsherInHindsight: HarsherInHindsight:
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The people of Caldisla giving Ringabel his name. This initially seems like a playful jab at his amnesia, [[spoiler: but then it's revealed that just before Ringabel showed up in town, Alternis had been roaming Caldisla helmet-less, helping out in hunts and making friends here and there. When Ringabel does show up, everyone just thinks he's being funny acting like he's forgotten everything. Jerks]]. Though in truth, [[spoiler:Alternis never stated that he gave them his name in the first place]].


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** [[spoiler:In the third world, the group learns that their loved ones are all in grieving due to their counterparts in that world all dying. They meet with them and pretends to be their counterparts to help uplift their spirits. Later, as the group prepares to leave the world, Sage Yulyana asks if they want him to erase everyone's memory of meeting them and they tell him not to as they believe it will give them "a spark to keep going." This implies that they've given their counterparts' friends and families closure with their encounter, but from what was seen this can't be the case. It was shown that everyone the group met was hysterical, even suicidal, over the deaths of their counterparts and the group pretending to be them didn't bring closure since they all now think they're alive and expects them to return to them. If anything, allowing everyone to keep their memory of their "return" only for them to disappear again will probably result in them being in even worse shape than if they were allowed to grieve normally.]]
2nd Mar '17 5:20:42 PM mlsmithca
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* AnnoyingVideoGameHelper: In addition to Airy stopping to tell the player how to awaken the crystals [[spoiler:even after you've done it 24 times already mentioned above,]] after the [[spoiler:first world where she actually offers useful advice]] she does nothing afterwards but whine about wanting the party to awaken the crystals for the next [[spoiler:4 worlds]] every time you enter the menu.

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* AnnoyingVideoGameHelper: In addition to Airy stopping to tell the player how to awaken the crystals [[spoiler:even after you've done it 24 times already mentioned above,]] already,]] after the [[spoiler:first world where she actually offers useful advice]] she does nothing afterwards but whine about wanting the party to awaken the crystals for the next [[spoiler:4 worlds]] every time you enter the menu.



* SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic: [[AwesomeMusic/BravelyDefault Has its own page.]]



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11th Feb '17 1:39:42 PM EdwardGil
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* ShaggyDogStory: Mentioned in LighterAndSofter, the darker aspects of the Empire go away with each AlternateUniverse. The CanonEnding supposedly has the characters returning to the original timeline, but nobody killed in that timeline is dead; nor are their atrocities ever mentioned again. CloseEnoughTimeline?

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* ShaggyDogStory: Mentioned in LighterAndSofter, the darker aspects of the Empire go away with each AlternateUniverse. The CanonEnding supposedly has the characters returning to the original timeline, but nobody killed in that timeline is dead; that are spared in later timelines are dead in the sequels; nor are their atrocities ever mentioned again. CloseEnoughTimeline?
11th Feb '17 1:37:50 PM EdwardGil
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* ShaggyDogStory: Mentioned in LighterAndSofter, the darker aspects of the Empire go away with each AlternateUniverse. The CanonEnding supposedly has the characters returning to the original timeline, but nobody killed in that timeline is dead, like the Erutus Profiteur. CloseEnoughTimeline?

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* ShaggyDogStory: Mentioned in LighterAndSofter, the darker aspects of the Empire go away with each AlternateUniverse. The CanonEnding supposedly has the characters returning to the original timeline, but nobody killed in that timeline is dead, like the Erutus Profiteur.dead; nor are their atrocities ever mentioned again. CloseEnoughTimeline?
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