History YMMV / AvengersArena

2nd Oct '15 11:43:59 PM MegaJ
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* NeverLiveItDown: ''All'' the criticism and fears over characters dying carries over to every book Dennis Hopeless wrote since. -->[-'''Hopeless'''-]: ''[-"Okay look, thereís no reason to assume Iím going to kill a bunch of characters in every book I write. Avengers Arena was a teenage death match story. People die in those. When I finally decide to write my 200-issue down-on-their-luck high school baseball players epic, chances are good the whole cast will survive till the end. I promise Iím not some sort of blood-hungry sadist who gets his jollies murdering teenagers."-]''
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* NeverLiveItDown: ''All'' the criticism and fears over characters dying carries over to every book Dennis Hopeless wrote since. since: -->[-'''Hopeless'''-]: ''[-"Okay ''"Okay look, thereís no reason to assume Iím going to kill a bunch of characters in every book I write. Avengers Arena was a teenage death match story. People die in those. When I finally decide to write my 200-issue down-on-their-luck high school baseball players epic, chances are good the whole cast will survive till the end. I promise Iím not some sort of blood-hungry sadist who gets his jollies murdering teenagers."-]''"''
7th Sep '15 8:54:54 PM nombretomado
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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Deathlocket was loved from her first POV issue. Cullen Bloodstone (NextWave connection) and Anachronism (Axbro) are liked as well, even with little page space. Apex is also emerging as a favorite, which is pretty ''disturbing.''
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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Deathlocket was loved from her first POV issue. Cullen Bloodstone (NextWave (ComicBook/{{Nextwave}} connection) and Anachronism (Axbro) are liked as well, even with little page space. Apex is also emerging as a favorite, which is pretty ''disturbing.''
26th Jun '15 11:09:00 PM MegaJ
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* ContestedSequel: The evidence for that is all over this page and the others. * CriticalDissonance: The overall fanbase seems split on the title, but it's generally better received by critics and the comics industry, and Hopeless won the 2013 Harvey Award for Most Promising New Talent for the title.
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* ContestedSequel: The evidence for that is all over this page and the others. others...just check the wicks! * CriticalDissonance: The overall fanbase seems split on the title, but it's generally better received by critics and the comics industry, and industry. Dennis Hopeless won the 2013 Harvey Award for Most Promising New Talent for the title. title and from there launched his Marvel writing career.

* DracoInLeatherPants: Some fans just love Apex despite her controversial actions.
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* DracoInLeatherPants: Some fans just love Apex despite her controversial [[spoiler: and murderous]] actions.
28th May '15 4:32:22 PM AlleyOop
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No need for spoilering considering the rest of the page.
* [[spoiler: MoralEventHorizon]]: ** Arcade got the ball rolling on this one.
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* [[spoiler: MoralEventHorizon]]: ** MoralEventHorizon: Arcade got the ball rolling on this one.
21st Apr '15 12:30:48 AM toonyloon
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Critical Dissonance can't be 'inverted'.
* CriticalDissonance: Inverted, the overall fanbase seems split on the title, but it's generally better received by critics and the comics industry, and Hopeless won the 2013 Harvey Award for Most Promising New Talent for the title.
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* CriticalDissonance: Inverted, the The overall fanbase seems split on the title, but it's generally better received by critics and the comics industry, and Hopeless won the 2013 Harvey Award for Most Promising New Talent for the title.
16th Mar '15 12:25:57 AM MegaJ
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As per the Short Term: Creator's Pet thread, we got to discussing it and the entry does not fit.
* CreatorsPet: All the original characters created specifically for the title are accused of this; not so much as in that they're ''hated'' (well, some are hated) but as they take away attention from the established characters. Apex and Anachronism (frequently accused of being an AuthorAvatar) get this accusation a lot. ** Cammi is also accused of this, she's actually pretty popular but she does receive more focus in both ''Arena'' and ''Undercover'' and Dennis Hopeless has written that he loves writing her.
14th Mar '15 11:54:50 PM MegaJ
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* CreatorsPet: All the original characters created specifically for the title are accused of this; not so much as in that they're ''hated'' (well, most of them) but as they take away attention from the established characters. Apex and Anachronism (frequently accused of being an AuthorAvatar) get this accusation a lot.
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* CreatorsPet: All the original characters created specifically for the title are accused of this; not so much as in that they're ''hated'' (well, most of them) some are hated) but as they take away attention from the established characters. Apex and Anachronism (frequently accused of being an AuthorAvatar) get this accusation a lot.
22nd Feb '15 11:25:20 PM MegaJ
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Condensing a wall of text.
* CreatorsPet: Apex is this in the eyes of many critics. She is supposedly one of the smartest people on Murderworld, but she was only successful because everybody she went against grabbed IdiotBall much bigger than the one she's carrying around and because stronger characters have been subjected to TheWorfEffect to make her look cooler. Also, Deathlocket, one of series initial [[EnsembleDarkhorse Ensemble Darkhorses]] has been turned into satellite character, that only exist to make Apex look that much more interesting. Apex is also the only character narrative two issues, while some established characters (like [[spoiler: Mettle, Red Raven and Juston]]) haven't got a single one before they died. ** Cammi is another one - while nobody denies she is an experienced survivalist and {{Badass}}, she is also set up more prominently than others. ** Other Braddock Academy kids, especially Cullen Bloodstone and Anachronism, are this to certain point too, because, with exception of Cammi, other characters rarely get a chance to show any initiative and are constantly DemotedToExtra and subjected to WorfEffect to make them look better. ** And of course Arcade is one too, being portrayed as genius who managed to outsmart everybody in the MarvelUniverse to have his sick game run for a month without anybody noticing, while in reality his plan worked only because everybody who could stop him have been either handled IdiotBall or written as uncaring jerks. He is supposedly a clever mastermind who manipulated the cast into fighting each other to death for his amusement, while in reality he needs to make one ham-fisted interference after another to try make kids play his game, all of them failed. ** And then there's Ms. Coriander. Despite her short appearance in the book, everything happened only because she provided Arcade with all that technology. Technology that seems to surpass everything seen before, as the kids can't be found by technological or even magical means, and said technology basically makes Arcade be pretty much omnipotent. The fact that this never before seen woman's technology is so incredibly advanced that it makes everybody look useless, IdiotBall or not, has been called out as preposterous.
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* CreatorsPet: Apex is this in All the eyes of many critics. She is supposedly one of the smartest people on Murderworld, but she was only successful because everybody she went against grabbed IdiotBall much bigger than the one she's carrying around and because stronger original characters have been subjected to TheWorfEffect to make her look cooler. Also, Deathlocket, one created specifically for the title are accused of series initial [[EnsembleDarkhorse Ensemble Darkhorses]] has been turned into satellite character, this; not so much as in that only exist to make Apex look that much more interesting. Apex is also they're ''hated'' (well, most of them) but as they take away attention from the only character narrative two issues, while some established characters (like [[spoiler: Mettle, Red Raven characters. Apex and Juston]]) haven't got Anachronism (frequently accused of being an AuthorAvatar) get this accusation a single one before they died. lot. ** Cammi is another one - while nobody denies she is an experienced survivalist and {{Badass}}, she is also set up accused of this, she's actually pretty popular but she does receive more prominently than others. ** Other Braddock Academy kids, especially Cullen Bloodstone focus in both ''Arena'' and Anachronism, are this to certain point too, because, with exception of Cammi, other characters rarely get a chance to show any initiative ''Undercover'' and are constantly DemotedToExtra and subjected to WorfEffect to make them look better. ** And of course Arcade is one too, being portrayed as genius who managed to outsmart everybody in the MarvelUniverse to have his sick game run for a month without anybody noticing, while in reality his plan worked only because everybody who could stop him have been either handled IdiotBall or Dennis Hopeless has written as uncaring jerks. He is supposedly a clever mastermind who manipulated the cast into fighting each other to death for his amusement, while in reality he needs to make one ham-fisted interference after another to try make kids play his game, all of them failed. ** And then there's Ms. Coriander. Despite her short appearance in the book, everything happened only because she provided Arcade with all that technology. Technology that seems to surpass everything seen before, as the kids can't be found by technological or even magical means, and said technology basically makes Arcade be pretty much omnipotent. The fact that this never before seen woman's technology is so incredibly advanced that it makes everybody look useless, IdiotBall or not, has been called out as preposterous.he loves writing her.
21st Feb '15 10:44:29 AM MegaJ
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That was speculation never confirmed.
* InternetBackdraft: Reviews are good to neutral to the series, readers are not so kind. It certainly has its fans, but it is far better known for sparking ire than anything else. Those positive reviews usually have to spend a paragraph or more justifying or defending itself from the fans who have been angered by ''Arena''.
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* InternetBackdraft: Reviews from comic sites are good to neutral to the series, readers ''readers'' are not so kind. It certainly has its fans, but it is far better known for sparking ire than anything else. Those positive reviews usually have to spend a paragraph or more justifying or defending itself from the fans who have been angered by ''Arena''.

* MisaimedFandom: If rumored WordOfSaintPaul is to be true, Dennis Hopeless assumed fans will see Arcade as pathetic, incompetent loser who got DrunkWithPower and he isn't very happy about the fact most of the fans see him as MagnificentBastard and people who do see him as a moron tend to be vocal critics and haters of the series. [[spoiler: This, if true, would make his potrayal and death in the sequel a middle finger towards the fans.]]

* ScapegoatCreator: Dennis Hopeless is the detractors' resident punching bag...how bad is it? Let's put it this way: Hopeless is only the ''writer'' on the series and he's blamed for ''artist's'' decisions. And it extends to everything he's written since.
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* ScapegoatCreator: Dennis Hopeless is the detractors' resident punching bag...how bad is it? Let's put it this way: Hopeless is only the ''writer'' on the series and he's blamed for ''artist's'' decisions. And the story ''wasn't even his initial idea''. And it extends to everything he's written since.

* VocalMinority: There was initial outrage at the book's announcement, but most of that has quelled as Hopeless and Marvel have said that the reception has been more positive than negative as the months went by. Not that you could ''tell'', considering the detractors of the book are loud and present and trash the book everywhere (even on this very wiki) and Dennis Hopeless to the point of bashing his later works.
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* VocalMinority: There was initial outrage at the book's announcement, but most of that has quelled as Hopeless and Marvel have said that the reception has been more positive than negative as the months went by. Not that you could ''tell'', considering the detractors of the book are loud and present and trash the book everywhere (even on this very wiki) ThisVeryWiki) and Dennis Hopeless to the point of bashing his later works.
15th Feb '15 7:25:49 AM StFan
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* ToughActToFollow: ''Avengers Arena'' is a direct follow-up to ''Comicbook/AvengersAcademy'', and uses five of those characters in the main cast. It also pulls characters from ''ComicBook/{{Runaways}}'' and ''Sentinel'' and {{Annihilation}} cosmic event, series with much critical acclaim and all with their own fanbases who look at ''Arena'' as being a disappointing follow-up.
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* ToughActToFollow: ''Avengers Arena'' is a direct follow-up to ''Comicbook/AvengersAcademy'', and uses five of those characters in the main cast. It also pulls characters from ''ComicBook/{{Runaways}}'' and ''Sentinel'' and {{Annihilation}} ''ComicBook/{{Annihilation}}'' cosmic event, series with much critical acclaim and all with their own fanbases who look at ''Arena'' as being a disappointing follow-up.
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