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* BrokenBase: Much like the first time this happened, fans debate heavily on whether Felicity has a right to be upset at the fact Oliver lied to her, again or if she is being overly [[{{Wangst}} wangsty]], even selfish, about something that isn't her business. The fact that she brings up how a marriage is ''suppose'' to be just adds more fervor to both sides. Another aspect people bring up is that, regardless of whether or not Felicity was right, she could not have picked a worse time to call him out, as he was [[ManlyTears literally crying]] about saying goodbye to his only son forever, making her come across as believing that [[ItsAllAboutMe only her emotional pain was important]]. There's also the fact that she spend the the previous episode telling her mother about how people lie for a good reason and spend this episode [[{{Hypocrite}} criticizing Oliver for lying, regardless of his reasons]].
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* BrokenBase: Much like the first time this happened, fans debate heavily on whether Felicity has a right to be upset at the fact break up with Oliver lied over him lying to her, again or if she is being overly [[{{Wangst}} wangsty]], even selfish, about something that isn't her business. (And if fans consider someone's fiancee having a secret child "their business.") The fact that she brings up how a marriage is ''suppose'' ''supposed'' to be just adds more fervor to both sides. Another aspect people bring up is that, regardless of whether or not Felicity was right, she could not have picked a worse better time to call him out, as he was [[ManlyTears literally crying]] about saying goodbye to his only son forever, making her come across as believing that [[ItsAllAboutMe only her emotional pain was important]]. Of course on the flipside she did remain reasonable and professional after the initial revelation, helped rescue William rather than focusing on her pain and was incredibly amicable to Samantha considering she was the one who forbade Oliver from telling Felicity the truth in the first place, and then Felicity waited until both Samantha and William were safe before ending things with Oliver, and did so in a very calm, gentle manner. There's also the fact that she Felicity spend the the previous episode telling her mother about how people lie for a good reason and spend this episode [[{{Hypocrite}} criticizing Oliver for lying, regardless of his reasons]].reasons]]. There's also the fans who disliked how much Oliver lied and cut Felicity out of his decisions in Season 3, and felt her reaction was a culmination of that, but her perspective should have been explained more.
** Fans are also split over whether Oliver was right to lie in the first place. On one hand Samantha did forbid him from telling anyone and threatened to stop him from seeing William, if she discovered he'd broken that promise. On the other hand, she'd never have known if Oliver told Felicity, so it really came down to Oliver lying to a woman who'd lied to him for years or to his fiancee/partner. The fact, Oliver's longterm plan seemed to be sneak off to Central City periodically and pose as "Mommy's friend" rather than say contacting a lawyer about his legal rights also looks like he grabbed the IdiotBall. Add in that Oliver actively chose to propose to Felicity while still hiding William's existence, makes him look much worse, as hiding a child from a girlfriend is more understandable than from a fiancee.
** Fans are also split over whether Oliver was right to lie in the first place. On one hand Samantha did forbid him from telling anyone and threatened to stop him from seeing William, if she discovered he'd broken that promise. On the other hand, she'd never have known if Oliver told Felicity, so it really came down to Oliver lying to a woman who'd lied to him for years or to his fiancee/partner. The fact, Oliver's longterm plan seemed to be sneak off to Central City periodically and pose as "Mommy's friend" rather than say contacting a lawyer about his legal rights also looks like he grabbed the IdiotBall. Add in that Oliver actively chose to propose to Felicity while still hiding William's existence, makes him look much worse, as hiding a child from a girlfriend is more understandable than from a fiancee.
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** After an entire season of winning fight after fight against Team Arrow (humiliating them all along the way), Darhk is finally outwitted and put down a peg when Vixen destroys his totem and Oliver finally takes him out in a fight.
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** After an entire season of winning fight after fight against Team Arrow (humiliating them all along the way), Darhk is finally outwitted and put down a peg when Vixen destroys his totem and Oliver finally takes him out in a fight.
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** After an entire season of winning fight after fight against Team Arrow (humiliating them all along the way), Darhk is finally outwitted and put down a peg when Vixen destroys his totem and Oliver finally takes him out in a fight.
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* BrokenBase: Much like the first time this happened, fans debate heavily on whether Felicity has a right to be upset at the fact Oliver lied to her, again or if she is being overly [[{{Wangst}} wangsty]], even selfish, about something that isn't her business. The fact that she brings up how a marriage is ''suppose'' to be just adds more fervor to both sides. Another aspect people bring up is that, regardless of whether or not Felicity was right, she could not have picked a worse time to call him out, as he was [[ManlyTears literally crying]] about saying goodbye to his only son forever, making her come across as believing that [[ItsAllAboutMe only her emotional pain was important]]. There's also the fact that she spend the the previous episode telling her mother about how people lie for a good reason and spend this episode [[Hypocrite criticizing Oliver for lying, regardless of his reasons]].
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* BrokenBase: Much like the first time this happened, fans debate heavily on whether Felicity has a right to be upset at the fact Oliver lied to her, again or if she is being overly [[{{Wangst}} wangsty]], even selfish, about something that isn't her business. The fact that she brings up how a marriage is ''suppose'' to be just adds more fervor to both sides. Another aspect people bring up is that, regardless of whether or not Felicity was right, she could not have picked a worse time to call him out, as he was [[ManlyTears literally crying]] about saying goodbye to his only son forever, making her come across as believing that [[ItsAllAboutMe only her emotional pain was important]]. There's also the fact that she spend the the previous episode telling her mother about how people lie for a good reason and spend this episode [[Hypocrite [[{{Hypocrite}} criticizing Oliver for lying, regardless of his reasons]].
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* BrokenBase: Much like the first time this happened, fans debate heavily on whether Felicity has a right to be upset at the fact Oliver lied to her, again or if she is being overly [[{{Wangst}} wangsty]], even selfish, about something that isn't her business. The fact that she brings up how a marriage is ''suppose'' to be just adds more fervor to both sides. Another aspect people bring up is that, regardless of whether or not Felicity was right, she could not have picked a worse time to call him out, as he was [[ManlyTears literally crying]] about saying goodbye to his only son forever, making her come across as believing that [[ItsAllAboutMe only her emotional pain was important]]. There's also the fact that she spend the the previous episode telling her mother about how people lie for a good reason and spend this episode [[Hypocrite criticizing Oliver for lying, regardless of his reasons]].
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* BrokenBase: Much like the first time this happened, fans debate heavily on whether Felicity has a right to be upset at the fact Oliver lied to her, again or if she is being overly [[{{Wangst}} wangsty]], even selfish, about something that isn't her business. The fact that she brings up how a marriage is ''suppose'' to be just adds more fervor to both sides. another aspect people bring up is that, regardless of whether or not Felicity was right, she could not have picked a worse time to call him out, as he was [[ManlyTears literally crying]] about saying goodbye to his only son forever, making her come across as believing that [[ItsAllAboutMe only her emotional pain was important]].
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* BrokenBase: Much like the first time this happened, fans debate heavily on whether Felicity has a right to be upset at the fact Oliver lied to her, again or if she is being overly [[{{Wangst}} wangsty]], even selfish, about something that isn't her business. The fact that she brings up how a marriage is ''suppose'' to be just adds more fervor to both sides. another Another aspect people bring up is that, regardless of whether or not Felicity was right, she could not have picked a worse time to call him out, as he was [[ManlyTears literally crying]] about saying goodbye to his only son forever, making her come across as believing that [[ItsAllAboutMe only her emotional pain was important]].
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* BrokenBase: Much like the first time this happened, fans debate heavily on whether Felicity has a right to be upset at the fact Oliver lied to her, again or if she is being overly [[{{Wangst}} wangsty]], even selfish, about something that isn't her business. The fact that she brings up how a marriage is ''suppose'' to be just adds more fervor to both sides. His [[ManlyTears emotional state]] at the time also does not help either side.
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* BrokenBase: Much like the first time this happened, fans debate heavily on whether Felicity has a right to be upset at the fact Oliver lied to her, again or if she is being overly [[{{Wangst}} wangsty]], even selfish, about something that isn't her business. The fact that she brings up how a marriage is ''suppose'' to be just adds more fervor to both sides. His another aspect people bring up is that, regardless of whether or not Felicity was right, she could not have picked a worse time to call him out, as he was [[ManlyTears literally crying]] about saying goodbye to his only son forever, making her come across as believing that [[ItsAllAboutMe only her emotional state]] at the time also does not help either side.pain was important]].
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* CatharsisFactor: People who thinks that Oliver treats his women like shit will have a fun-field day with this episode as three women who he is/was romantically involved with chew him up for it.
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* CatharsisFactor: People who thinks that Oliver treats treats, or rather used to treat his women like shit will have a fun-field day with this episode as three women who he is/was romantically involved with chew him up for it.
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* UnfortunateImplications: Similar to [[ComicBook/{{Batgirl 2011}} a comparable recovery in the comics]], Felicity's quick recovery from paralysis causes this for some. It is in some ways worse than the comic version, as the time spent paralyzed is significantly shorter, taking at most a few months (and likely just a few weeks to one month) instead of several years.
** Unlike that example, where the recovering person showed [[RealityEnsues confidence issues and difficulties with her normal activities]], she just walks out as if she just sat down. As anyone who has even broken a leg can tell you (or even someone whose leg fell asleep while sitting), the sheer capability she has in walking so easily is highly unlikely and almost definitely impossible.
** Unlike that example, where the recovering person showed [[RealityEnsues confidence issues and difficulties with her normal activities]], she just walks out as if she just sat down. As anyone who has even broken a leg can tell you (or even someone whose leg fell asleep while sitting), the sheer capability she has in walking so easily is highly unlikely and almost definitely impossible.
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* BrokenBase: Much like the first time this happened, fans debate heavily on whether Felicity has a right to be upset at the fact Oliver lied to her, again or if she is being overly [[{{Wangst}} wangsty]], even selfish, about something that isn't her business. The fact that she brings up how a marriage is ''suppose'' to be just adds more fervor to both sides. His [[ManlyTears emotional state]] at the time also does not help either side. Not helping is that even though Oliver not telling her for so long makes her outrage seem more reasonable on the surface, we still know she would have reacted the exact same way if the truth came out mere hours after he first learned it.
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* BrokenBase: Much like the first time this happened, fans debate heavily on whether Felicity has a right to be upset at the fact Oliver lied to her, again or if she is being overly [[{{Wangst}} wangsty]], even selfish, about something that isn't her business. The fact that she brings up how a marriage is ''suppose'' to be just adds more fervor to both sides. His [[ManlyTears emotional state]] at the time also does not help either side. Not helping is that even though Oliver not telling her for so long makes her outrage seem more reasonable on the surface, we still know she would have reacted the exact same way if the truth came out mere hours after he first learned it.
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* UnfortunateImplications: Similar to [[ComicBook/{{Batgirl 2011}} a comparable recovery in the comics]], Felicity's quick recovery from paralysis causes this for some. It is in some ways worse than the comic version, as the time spent paralyzed is significantly shorter, taking at most a few months (and likely just a few weeks to one month) instead of several years.
** Unlike that example, where the recovering person showed [[RealityEnsues confidence issues and difficulties with her normal activities]], she just walks out as if she just sat down. As anyone who has even broken a leg can tell you (or even someone whose leg fell asleep while sitting), the sheer capability she has in walking so easily is highly unlikely and almost definitely impossible.
** Unlike that example, where the recovering person showed [[RealityEnsues confidence issues and difficulties with her normal activities]], she just walks out as if she just sat down. As anyone who has even broken a leg can tell you (or even someone whose leg fell asleep while sitting), the sheer capability she has in walking so easily is highly unlikely and almost definitely impossible.
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* BrokenBase: Much like the first time this happened, fans debate heavily on whether Felicity has a right to be upset at the fact Oliver lied to her, again or if she is being overly [[{{Wangst}} wangsty]], even selfish, about something that isn't her business. The fact that she brings up how a marriage is ''suppose'' to be just adds more fervor to both sides. His [[ManlyTears emotional state]] at the time also does not help either side.
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* BrokenBase: Much like the first time this happened, fans debate heavily on whether Felicity has a right to be upset at the fact Oliver lied to her, again or if she is being overly [[{{Wangst}} wangsty]], even selfish, about something that isn't her business. The fact that she brings up how a marriage is ''suppose'' to be just adds more fervor to both sides. His [[ManlyTears emotional state]] at the time also does not help either side. Not helping is that even though Oliver not telling her for so long makes her outrage seem more reasonable on the surface, we still know she would have reacted the exact same way if the truth came out mere hours after he first learned it.
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* UnfortunateImplications: Similar to [[ComicBook/{{Batgirl 2011}} a comparable recovery in the comics]], Felicity's quick recovery from paralysis causes this for some. It is in some ways worse than the comic version, as the time spent paralyzed is significantly shorter, taking at most a few months (and likely less) instead of several years.
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* BrokenBase: Much like the first time this happened, fans debate heavily on whether Felicity has a right to be upset at the fact Oliver lied to her, again or if she is being overly [[{{Wangst}} wangsty]], even selfish, about something that isn't her business. The fact that she brings up how a marriage is ''suppose'' to be just adds more fervor to both sides.
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* BrokenBase: Much like the first time this happened, fans debate heavily on whether Felicity has a right to be upset at the fact Oliver lied to her, again or if she is being overly [[{{Wangst}} wangsty]], even selfish, about something that isn't her business. The fact that she brings up how a marriage is ''suppose'' to be just adds more fervor to both sides. His [[ManlyTears emotional state]] at the time also does not help either side.
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** Felicity's miraculous recovery that allows her to walk out on Oliver, what should be a dramatic moment came across as almost comical in its delivery.
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** Felicity's miraculous recovery that allows her to walk out on Oliver, what should be a dramatic moment came across as almost comical in its delivery. Especially when it is the end of the episode before an extended hiatus, whereas the [[Recap/TheFlash2014S2E15KingShark comparable episode]] on ''The Flash'' had a DramaticUnmask of the season's BigBad.
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* CatharsisFactor: People who thinks that Oliver treats his women like shit will have a fun-field day with this episode as three women who he is/was romantically involved with chew him up for it.
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* BaseBreaker: Much like the first time this happened, fans debate heavily on whether Felicity has a right to be upset at the fact Oliver lied to her, again or if she is being overly [[{{Wangst}} wangsty]], even selfish, about something that isn't her business. The fact that she brings up how a marriage is ''suppose'' to be just adds more fervor to both sides.
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Felicity barely spends three episodes in a wheel-chair before she is miraculously healed.
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Felicity barely spends three episodes in a wheel-chair before she is miraculously healed.
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** Felicity's miraculous recovery that allows her to walk out on Oliver, what should be a dramatic moment came across as almost comical in its delivery.
* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Felicity barely spends three episodes in a wheel-chair before she is miraculously healed.
* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Felicity barely spends three episodes in a wheel-chair before she is miraculously healed.
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* {{Narm}}: Some people find it hard to take Mari's "How about I kick your ass like a woman instead?" seriously, or even as the BadassBoast it is intended to be.
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** Some people find it hard to take Mari's "How about I kick your ass like a woman instead?" seriously, or even as the BadassBoast it is intended tobe.be.
** The need to explain Vixen to people who didn't watch her show naturally leads to some awkward lines, especially when she says that without her necklace she's "just an aspiring fashion designer who lives with my foster dad."
** Some people find it hard to take Mari's "How about I kick your ass like a woman instead?" seriously, or even as the BadassBoast it is intended to
** The need to explain Vixen to people who didn't watch her show naturally leads to some awkward lines, especially when she says that without her necklace she's "just an aspiring fashion designer who lives with my foster dad."
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* VisualEffectsOfAwesome: Considering Vixen's powers are so tricky to portray in live action that she first appeared in animated form, they look pretty darn good here.
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* BittersweetEnding: Oliver is forced to quit his Mayoral campaign and has his wedding called off (although how much the latter is a bad thing Out-Universe depends on your personal taste), but he succesfully saves his son, finally decides on how he will handle his parenthood, and FINALLY manages to land a major victory against Dahrk by taking away his magic and having him arrested.
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* BittersweetEnding: Oliver is forced to quit his Mayoral campaign and has his wedding called off (although how much the latter is a bad thing Out-Universe depends on your personal taste), but he succesfully saves his son, finally decides on how he will handle his parenthood, and FINALLY manages to land a major victory against Dahrk by taking away his magic and having him arrested.arrested.
* VisualEffectsOfAwesome: Considering Vixen's powers are so tricky to portray in live action that she first appeared in animated form, they look pretty darn good here.
* VisualEffectsOfAwesome: Considering Vixen's powers are so tricky to portray in live action that she first appeared in animated form, they look pretty darn good here.
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* AndTheFandomRejoiced: [[BrokenBase The part of the fandom]] that dislikes or even hates Olicity are pleased by the fact that 1) Felicity and Oliver's discussion remains pretty civil and doesn't reach Soap-Opera drama levels, even though Felicity would be a bit more justified this time(line) around, and 2) they apparently break up this episode, or at least call off their wedding.
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* AndTheFandomRejoiced: [[BrokenBase The part of the fandom]] that dislikes or even hates Olicity are pleased by the fact that 1) Felicity and Oliver's discussion remains pretty civil and doesn't reach Soap-Opera drama levels, even though Felicity would be a bit more justified this time(line) around, and 2) they aparently break up this episode, or at least call off their wedding.
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* AndTheFandomRejoiced: [[BrokenBase The part of the fandom]] that dislikes or even hates Olicity are pleased by the fact that 1) Felicity and Oliver's discussion remains pretty civil and doesn't reach Soap-Opera drama levels, even though Felicity would be a bit more justified this time(line) around, and 2) they aparently apparently break up this episode, or at least call off their wedding.
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* AndTheFandomRejoiced: (( BrokenBase The part of the fandom)) that dislikes or even hates Olicity are pleased by the fact that 1) Felicity and Oliver's discussion remains pretty civil and doesn't reach Soap-Opera drama levels, even though Felicity would be a bit more justified this time(line) around, and 2) they aparently break up this episode, or at least call off their wedding.
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* AndTheFansRejoiced: {{ BrokenBase The part of the fandom}} that dislikes or even hates Olicity are pleased by the fact that 1) Felicity and Oliver's discussion remains pretty civil and doesn't reach Soap-Opera drama levels, even though Felicity would be a bit more justified this time(line) around, and 2) they aparently break up this episode, or at least call off their wedding.
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* AndTheFansRejoiced: {{ AndTheFandomRejoiced: (( BrokenBase The part of the fandom}} fandom)) that dislikes or even hates Olicity are pleased by the fact that 1) Felicity and Oliver's discussion remains pretty civil and doesn't reach Soap-Opera drama levels, even though Felicity would be a bit more justified this time(line) around, and 2) they aparently break up this episode, or at least call off their wedding.
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* {{Narm}}: Some people find it hard to take Mari's "How about I kick your ass like a woman instead?" seriously, or even as the BadassBoast it is intended to be.
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* AndTheFansRejoiced: {{ BrokenBase The part of the fandom}} that dislikes or even hates Olicity are pleased by the fact that 1) Felicity and Oliver's discussion remains pretty civil and doesn't reach Soap-Opera drama levels, even though Felicity would be a bit more justified this time(line) around, and 2) they aparently break up this episode, or at least call off their wedding.
* BittersweetEnding: Oliver is forced to quit his Mayoral campaign and has his wedding called off (although how much the latter is a bad thing Out-Universe depends on your personal taste), but he succesfully saves his son, finally decides on how he will handle his parenthood, and FINALLY manages to land a major victory against Dahrk by taking away his magic and having him arrested.
* AndTheFansRejoiced: {{ BrokenBase The part of the fandom}} that dislikes or even hates Olicity are pleased by the fact that 1) Felicity and Oliver's discussion remains pretty civil and doesn't reach Soap-Opera drama levels, even though Felicity would be a bit more justified this time(line) around, and 2) they aparently break up this episode, or at least call off their wedding.
* BittersweetEnding: Oliver is forced to quit his Mayoral campaign and has his wedding called off (although how much the latter is a bad thing Out-Universe depends on your personal taste), but he succesfully saves his son, finally decides on how he will handle his parenthood, and FINALLY manages to land a major victory against Dahrk by taking away his magic and having him arrested.
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* BadassDecay: Losing the totem powers aside, Darhk has shown himself to be a powerful and capable martial artist (he was, after all, the runner up to the position of Ra's al Ghul). He's quickly dispatched by Oliver at the end despite this.
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* BadassDecay: Losing the totem powers aside, Darhk has shown himself to be a powerful and capable martial artist (he was, after all, the runner up to the position of Ra's al Ghul). He's quickly dispatched by Oliver at the end despite this.this.
* {{Narm}}: Some people find it hard to take Mari's "How about I kick your ass like a woman instead?" seriously, or even as the BadassBoast it is intended to be.
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