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22nd May '16 10:24:20 AM ThomasVeggieDramaFan
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* TheyJustDidntCare: It's pretty obvious that there was little to no communication going on between the people working on the "Daesong Heavy Industries" two-parter to the point where many question why it was even a two-parter at all. Part 1 starts with Stan losing his faith in religion after Steve pokes multiple holes in the Bible akin to the anti-religion episodes of ''Family Guy'' before suddenly turning into an "American Fung"-esque BizzaroEpisode with Stan thinking that he is Noah and taking his family to Seoul, Korea to take over a natural gas tanker full of animals being taken to a zoo in Malaysia which he believes is the Ark. Part 2 then suddenly drops everything having to do with the first part after the ship blows up and separates the Smiths with Stan & Francine having amnesia and being stuck on an island in a parody of nature documentaries, Steve & Roger stuck on a lifeboat, and Hayley & Jeff being rescued by the Navy. By the end of part 2, Stan's crisis of faith is never resolved, there are other plot points that are either dropped (Seoul being destroyed by the flood at the end of part 1) or never explained (why was a natural gas tanker being used to transport animals?) and the entire "Two-parter" ranks alongside "American Fung" as a prime example for how ''American Dad!'' has gone downhill ever since moving to TBS.

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* TheyJustDidntCare: It's pretty obvious that there was little to no communication going on between the people working on the "Daesong Heavy Industries" two-parter to the point where many question why it was even a two-parter at all. Part 1 starts with Stan losing his faith in religion after Steve pokes multiple holes in the Bible akin to the anti-religion episodes of ''Family Guy'' before suddenly turning into an "American Fung"-esque BizzaroEpisode BizarroEpisode with Stan thinking that he is Noah and taking his family to Seoul, Korea to take over a natural gas tanker full of animals being taken to a zoo in Malaysia which he believes is the Ark. Part 2 then suddenly drops everything having to do with the first part after the ship blows up and separates the Smiths with Stan & Francine having amnesia and being stuck on an island in a parody of nature documentaries, Steve & Roger stuck on a lifeboat, and Hayley & Jeff being rescued by the Navy. By the end of part 2, Stan's crisis of faith is never resolved, there are other plot points that are either dropped (Seoul being destroyed by the flood at the end of part 1) or never explained (why was a natural gas tanker being used to transport animals?) and the entire "Two-parter" ranks alongside "American Fung" as a prime example for how ''American Dad!'' has gone downhill ever since moving to TBS.
22nd May '16 10:23:37 AM ThomasVeggieDramaFan
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* TheyJustDidntCare: It's pretty obvious that there was little to no communication going on between the people working on the "Daesong Heavy Industries" two-parter to the point where many question why it was even a two-parter at all. Part 1 starts with Stan losing his faith in religion after Steve pokes multiple holes in the Bible akin to the anti-religion episodes of ''Family Guy'' before suddenly turning into an "American Fung"-esque BizzaroEpisode with Stan thinking that he is Noah and taking his family to Seoul, Korea to take over a natural gas tanker full of animals being taken to a zoo in Malaysia which he believes is the Ark. Part 2 then suddenly drops everything having to do with the first part after the ship blows up and separates the Smiths with Stan & Francine having amnesia and being stuck on an island in a parody of nature documentaries, Steve & Roger stuck on a lifeboat, and Hayley & Jeff being rescued by the Navy. By the end of part 2, Stan's crisis of faith is never resolved, there are other plot points that are either dropped (Seoul being destroyed by the flood at the end of part 1) or never explained (why was a natural gas tanker being used to transport animals?) and the entire "Two-parter" ranks alongside "American Fung" as a prime example for how ''American Dad!'' has gone downhill ever since moving to TBS.
17th May '16 1:29:01 PM PrincessGwen
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** Speaking of Stan, he can be seen as insane due to his irrational way of thinking which includes AesopAmnesia, InsaneTrollLogic, and TooDumbToLive and even many characters plus Steve believe he is a lunatic. Even the Jury Duty Summons didn't want him invited and branded Stan as a Lunatic. Stan's insanity might be exposed when he suffers delusions that make him believe he's fat and see an imaginary trainer named Zack in "The American Dad After School Special".

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** Speaking of Stan, he can be seen as insane due to his irrational way of thinking which includes AesopAmnesia, InsaneTrollLogic, and TooDumbToLive and even many characters plus Steve believe he is a lunatic. Even the Jury Duty Summons didn't want him invited and branded Stan as a Lunatic.lunatic. Stan's insanity might be exposed when he suffers delusions that make him believe he's fat and see an imaginary trainer named Zack in "The American Dad After School Special".



** Fracine wanting Stan to lose his wrestling record in "The Wrestler" because she hated the museum he kept over it, for the handful of times she's shows up in the episode she never hints that the museum bothered her hell when we first see her she's in the museum and later says she likes going there every few weeks.

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** Fracine Francine wanting Stan to lose his wrestling record in "The Wrestler" because she hated the museum he kept over it, for the handful of times she's shows up in the episode she never hints that the museum bothered her hell her. Hell, when we first see her her, she's in the museum and later says she likes going there every few weeks.



** "Hot Water" (a MusicalEpisode where a murderous hot tub kills off everyone in the cast. In that episode's defense, it was supposed to be the last episode of the entire series because the writers were afraid FOX was going to cancel the show. When they discovered that FOX wasn't going to cancel ''American Dad'', the episode was put on as a season seven premiere and the deaths were written off as non-canon),
** "Blood Crieth Unto Heaven" (an ''American Dad'' episode set up like a stage play)

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** "Hot Water" (a MusicalEpisode where a murderous hot tub kills off everyone in the cast. In that episode's defense, it was supposed to be the last episode of the entire series because the writers were afraid FOX was going to cancel the show. When they discovered that FOX wasn't going to cancel ''American Dad'', the episode was put on as a season seven premiere and the deaths were written off as non-canon),
non-canon).
** "Blood Crieth Unto Heaven" (an ''American Dad'' episode set up like a stage play)play).



** Did "The Two Hundred" live up to it's hype of being the milestone 200th episode or was it a completely boring letdown that further shows that the series is running out of steam?

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** Did "The Two Hundred" live up to it's its hype of being the milestone 200th episode or was it a completely boring letdown that further shows that the series is running out of steam?



*** A great example of this is “Man in the Moonbounce” where Stan ended up having a nervous breakdown because of abuse his mother put him through. So it was considered best for Stan’s mental health if he took some time to relive his childhood. However this forced Steve to take over Stan’s duties forcing him to once again give up his me time for his family. However not only was Steve instantly fine the moment Stan came back undercutting the severity of the situation, but no one pointed out that Francine was essentially doing to Steve what Stan’s mother did to him.

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*** A great example of this is “Man in the Moonbounce” where Stan ended up having a nervous breakdown because of abuse his mother put him through. So it was considered best for Stan’s mental health if he took some time to relive his childhood. However this forced Steve to take over Stan’s duties forcing him to once again give up his me time for his family. However However, not only was Steve instantly fine the moment Stan came back undercutting the severity of the situation, but no one pointed out that Francine was essentially doing to Steve what Stan’s mother did to him.



** Stan also has been given a number of FreudianExcuse for his actions his nightmarish life, the ridiculous amount of emotional and psychological abuse and neglect heaped on him by his parents, the merciless bullying he’s suffered. None of which his family has suffered (or at least nothing as severe) and they mostly just come across as SpoiledBrat.

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** Stan also has been given a number of FreudianExcuse {{FreudianExcuse}}s for his actions his nightmarish life, the ridiculous amount of emotional and psychological abuse and neglect heaped on him by his parents, the merciless bullying he’s suffered. None of which his family has suffered (or at least nothing as severe) and they mostly just come across as SpoiledBrat.



*** However it seems that do to RetCon Roger is even a JerkAss by his species standards as of the events of "Lost In Space" where it's revealed that [[spoiler: Roger cheated on Emperor Zing]].

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*** However it seems that do due to RetCon a RetCon, Roger is even a JerkAss by his species species' standards as of the events of "Lost In Space" where it's revealed that [[spoiler: Roger cheated on Emperor Zing]].



** Stan. His father abandoned him as a child, his mother made him grow up too soon and he was even unluckier then Steve was as a teenager with girls. Since then, no matter how hard he tries, he's in a dead end in his career, he can never make a long term connection with his kids (It's a mix between his general disinterest in the stuff they say and their having an incredibly low opinion of him most of the time), his only friend is a sociopathic alien and anytime he has a chance of making his own life better, he has to give it up for Francine or his kids.

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** Stan. His father abandoned him as a child, his mother made him grow up too soon and he was even unluckier then than Steve was as a teenager with girls. Since then, no matter how hard he tries, he's in a dead end in his career, he can never make a long term connection with his kids (It's a mix between his general disinterest in the stuff they say and their having an incredibly low opinion of him most of the time), his only friend is a sociopathic alien and anytime he has a chance of making his own life better, he has to give it up for Francine or his kids.



** Klaus. He fucks with the Smiths (namely Steve and Roger) at every turn mostly because ItAmusedMe, but he WasOnceAMan who was put in a goldfish body just so Germany wouldn't win a gold medal in the Winter Olympics, and its not like the Smiths treat him much better than he treats them.

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** Klaus. He fucks with the Smiths (namely Steve and Roger) at every turn mostly because ItAmusedMe, but he WasOnceAMan who was put in a goldfish body just so Germany wouldn't win a gold medal in the Winter Olympics, and its it's not like the Smiths treat him much better than he treats them.



** Francine crosses the MoralEventHorizon solidly in "Ice, Ice Babies" by planting drugs in Steve's locker in order to get him suspended from school so that she can spend more time with him and keep him away from his girlfriend Debbie. All because she was suffering from empty nest syndrome and didn't want to accept that her son was growing up.
** It's up for debate if Bullock crossed this in "Honey, I'm Homeland". The episode involves Stan getting kidnapped by three members of the Occupy movement and brainwashed into becoming a leftist and involved with a scheme to shoot missiles at Mount Rushmore to re -sculpt it into figures of leftists. Turns out that [[spoiler: it was nothing more than an elaborate scheme by Bullock in order to test out the recently installed ant-missile defenses inside of the monument and two of the members that had brainwashed Stan were actually Jackson & Duper (the third however was an actual terrorist who was savagely beaten to death by Stan with his wheelchair).]]
*** In the same episode Hayley took BrattyTeenageDaughter UpToEleven by telling Stan exactly what to do to get him captured after he told her he was going on a dangerous mission. It is treated as this in universe as well because every time she tried to have a MyGodWhatHaveIDone moment she was just told to shut up by Francine

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** Francine crosses the MoralEventHorizon solidly in "Ice, Ice "Iced, Iced Babies" by planting drugs in Steve's locker in order to get him suspended from school so that she can spend more time with him and keep him away from his girlfriend Debbie. All because she was suffering from empty nest syndrome Empty Nest Syndrome and didn't want to accept that her son was growing up.
** It's up for debate if Bullock crossed this in "Honey, I'm Homeland". The episode involves Stan getting kidnapped by three members of the Occupy movement and brainwashed into becoming a leftist and involved with a scheme to shoot missiles at Mount Rushmore to re -sculpt re-sculpt it into figures of leftists. Turns out that [[spoiler: it was nothing more than an elaborate scheme by Bullock in order to test out the recently installed ant-missile anti-missile defenses inside of the monument and two of the members that had brainwashed Stan were actually Jackson & Duper (the third however was an actual terrorist who was savagely beaten to death by Stan with his wheelchair).]]
*** In the same episode episode, Hayley took BrattyTeenageDaughter UpToEleven by telling Stan exactly what to do to get him captured after he told her he was going on a dangerous mission. It is treated as this in universe in-universe as well because every time she tried to have a MyGodWhatHaveIDone moment moment, she was just told to shut up by Francine



** Terry crosses this in "A Boy Named Michael" where he plans to kill his newly-adopted 10 year old son Michael (who is actually Roger is disguise) because he's afraid of him ratting out to Greg that he's not as upper-class as him by eating ho-ho's. The way both he and Greg treated their daughter Libby in the same episode doesn't help. This is enough to make viewers think Stan kidnapping Libby and taking her to be adopted in Nebraska in "Surro-Gate" MAY have been a good idea after all.

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** Terry crosses this in "A Boy Named Michael" where he plans to kill his newly-adopted 10 year old son Michael (who is actually Roger is disguise) because he's afraid of him ratting out to Greg that he's not as upper-class as him by eating ho-ho's.Ho-Ho's. The way both he and Greg treated their daughter Libby in the same episode doesn't help. This is enough to make viewers think Stan kidnapping Libby and taking her to be adopted in Nebraska in "Surro-Gate" MAY have been a good idea after all.



** The guy was wrong for wanting to stop the ''Anti Christ''! Why? Because Hayley just adopted him. Of course abiding by "Rapture's Delight" it eventually does become justified to kill him when it is the side effect of Francine and Jesus Christ himself giving Stan a lesson in humility. As a result of it's earlier production, nothing is mentioned of his adoption to the Smith's at all, making it seem like the universe just skews things so Stan is ''always'' wrong.

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** The guy was wrong for wanting to stop the ''Anti Christ''! Why? Because Hayley just adopted him. Of course abiding by "Rapture's Delight" it eventually does become justified to kill him when it is the side effect of Francine and Jesus Christ himself giving Stan a lesson in humility. As a result of it's its earlier production, nothing is mentioned of his adoption to the Smith's at all, making it seem like the universe just skews things so Stan is ''always'' wrong.



** Lampshaded by Francine in "Hurricane", any idea, no matter how logical it seems in concept, is destined to be wrong on the simple grounds Stan thought of it.

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** Lampshaded by Francine in "Hurricane", any idea, no matter how logical it seems in concept, is destined to be wrong on the simple grounds that Stan thought of it.



** Another example is “I Ain’t No Holodeck Boy” where Stan is presented as an abusive jerkass for trying to get Steve and his friends to play outside. Not only is Francine’s argument basically that Steve is a spoiled brat who can’t take care of himself but the episode shows that he and his friend legitimately can’t tell reality from fantasy. It reached the point where they tried to get back at Stan for putting them in the Holodeck by [[DisproportionateRetribution attempting to kill him]] with Snot going so far as to [[WhatTheHellHero call Steve out]] for being more determined to save his dad’s life then the lives of the fictional characters in their video game.
** "Daddy Queerest" puts Stan in the wrong for outing Terry to his homophobic father Tank... after Terry claimed Stan's wife as his own an pushed his partner on Stan, not caring that Tank's gay-bashing was now directed toward him, and showed signs of an ArmoredClosetGay.

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** Another example is “I Ain’t No Holodeck Boy” where Stan is presented as an abusive jerkass for trying to get Steve and his friends to play outside. Not only is Francine’s argument basically that Steve is a spoiled brat who can’t take care of himself but the episode shows that he and his friend legitimately can’t tell reality from fantasy. It reached the point where they tried to get back at Stan for putting them in the Holodeck by [[DisproportionateRetribution attempting to kill him]] with Snot going so far as to [[WhatTheHellHero call Steve out]] for being more determined to save his dad’s life then than the lives of the fictional characters in their video game.
** "Daddy Queerest" puts Stan in the wrong for outing Terry to his homophobic father Tank... after Terry claimed Stan's wife as his own an and pushed his partner on Stan, not caring that Tank's gay-bashing was now directed toward him, and showed signs of an ArmoredClosetGay.



* UnintentionallySympathetic: Stan’s status as the shows DesignatedVillain makes him this most of the time (though there are exceptions see morel event horizon above). The "Stan acts like a jerk and must learn a lesson" formula. It doesn’t help that most of Stan’s flaws have been given very understandable fruden excuses something that in a lot of cases those that he opposes don’t have.

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* UnintentionallySympathetic: Stan’s status as the shows DesignatedVillain makes him this most of the time (though there are exceptions see morel event horizon above). The "Stan acts like a jerk and must learn a lesson" formula. It doesn’t help that most of Stan’s flaws have been given very understandable fruden excuses FreudianExcuses something that in a lot of cases those that he opposes don’t have.



** Stan comes across as this in many episodes of the later seasons for how he treats his family (especially Hayley and Steve) as well as causing his own problems only to learn a lesson that [[AesopAmnesia he will immediately forget]] [[StatusQuoisGod by the following episode]]. "The Scarlett Getter" and "Old Stan in the Mountain" to name a few are prime examples of this trope in action. Another reason is that [[TookALevelInDumbass he gets stupider every season]] to the point where by Season 10 he is simply another Peter Griffin.

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** Stan comes across as this in many episodes of the later seasons for how he treats his family (especially Hayley and Steve) as well as causing his own problems only to learn a lesson that [[AesopAmnesia he will immediately forget]] [[StatusQuoisGod by the following episode]]. "The Scarlett Getter" and "Old Stan in the Mountain" to name a few are prime examples of this trope in action. Another reason is that [[TookALevelInDumbass he gets stupider every season]] to the point where by Season 10 10, he is simply another Peter Griffin.



** The family is this as a whole as seen in designated villain and strawman has a point they have a serious case of all take and no give when it concerns Stan. So its hard to feel sorry for them when they complain about stan’s antics or his rules when they aren’t willing to fend for themselves and one of the most recurring plots is that stan has no right to spend anytime for himself.
** Francine in “When a Stan Loves a Woman. We are supposed to see Stan as a jerkass and sympathize with Francine for being angry that Stan went through with it. The problem with the is that the problem only started after Francine showed her love for Stan by planting the rose after “18 YEARS”. Also the episode’s Aesop about the difference between love and meaningless sex doesn’t make much since when you realize that Francine’s gift was basically lumping Stand together with all those people she claims were meaningless. Essentially Francine caused the problem in the first place through being innocently insensitive, pushed for the outcome [[BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor only to get angry when she got what she wanted]]. And thus realizing exactly how Stan felt.

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** The family is this as a whole as seen in designated villain DesignatedVillain and strawman has a point StrawmanHasAPoint they have a serious case of all take and no give when it concerns Stan. So its it's hard to feel sorry for them when they complain about stan’s Stan’s antics or his rules when they aren’t willing to fend for themselves and one of the most recurring plots is that stan Stan has no right to spend anytime for himself.
** Francine in “When a Stan Loves a Woman. Woman". We are supposed to see Stan as a jerkass {{Jerkass}} and sympathize with Francine for being angry that Stan went through with it. The problem with the is that the problem only started after Francine showed her love for Stan by planting the rose after “18 YEARS”. Also the episode’s Aesop about the difference between love and meaningless sex doesn’t make much since when you realize that Francine’s gift was basically lumping Stand Stan together with all those people she claims were meaningless. Essentially Essentially, Francine caused the problem in the first place through being innocently insensitive, InnocentlyInsensitive, pushed for the outcome [[BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor only to get angry when she got what she wanted]]. And wanted]], and thus realizing exactly how Stan felt.



** Steve is in “I Ain’t No Holodeck Boy” after seeing just how horrific his dads life truly was and realizing that the only thing keeping him sane was Herculean levels of seld denial. Steve decided it would be a good idea to break his dad of that nostalgia.
* TheWoobie: Sydney Huffman, one of Roger's personas that took a life of its own because Roger couldn't deal with the emotion of guilt. Due to this, his and Roger's credit cards are identical, so when Roger found out someone else was using his credit card, [[DisproportionateRetribution he destroys his life]], not knowing they are one and the same. Once he finds out, he and Sydney embrace in order to become one again. [[spoiler:Except Roger quickly stabs him in the back, saying Sydney's nice guy attitude is 'cramping his style'.]]
** Hayley has become this as time has gone on with her becoming something of the ButtMonkey. It really wasn't helped by the events of "Naked to The Limit, One More Time" where Hayley basically lost the love of her life because of Roger's actions. Most of the time after that episode she was seen mourning Jeff or trying to move on from him. Just as she was preparing to move from Jeff after he told her to Roger again screws this up by killing her new love interest who would have most likely made her life better.
** Similarly Jeff despite being a lazy stoner in the beginning of the show has become more of the woobie after he married Hayley. Again in the above mentioned episode he is separated from Hayley and almost never gets to see her again. And just when he is reunited with her everything goes wrong and he decides to let her get with her other love interest so he leaves and tells her to move on. All of these bad events that happen to him are Roger's fault.

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** Steve is in “I Ain’t No Holodeck Boy” after seeing just how horrific his dads dad's life truly was and realizing that the only thing keeping him sane was Herculean levels of seld denial.self-denial. Steve decided it would be a good idea to break his dad of that nostalgia.
* TheWoobie: Sydney Sidney Huffman, one of Roger's personas that took a life of its own because Roger couldn't deal with the emotion of guilt. Due to this, his and Roger's credit cards are identical, so when Roger found out someone else was using his credit card, [[DisproportionateRetribution he destroys his life]], not knowing they are one and the same. Once he finds out, he and Sydney Sidney embrace in order to become one again. [[spoiler:Except Roger quickly stabs him in the back, saying Sydney's Sidney's nice guy attitude is 'cramping his style'.]]
** Hayley has become this as time has gone on with her becoming something of the ButtMonkey. It really wasn't helped by the events of "Naked to The Limit, One More Time" where Hayley basically lost the love of her life because of Roger's actions. Most of the time after that episode episode, she was seen mourning Jeff or trying to move on from him. Just as she was preparing to move from Jeff after he told her to to, Roger again screws this up by killing her new love interest who would have most likely made her life better.
** Similarly Similarly, Jeff despite being a lazy stoner in the beginning of the show has become more of the woobie after he married Hayley. Again in the above mentioned episode episode, he is separated from Hayley and almost never gets to see her again. And just when he is reunited with her her, everything goes wrong and he decides to let her get with her other love interest so he leaves and tells her to move on. All of these bad events that happen to him are Roger's fault.
10th May '16 3:11:48 PM ThomasVeggieDramaFan
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* {{Anvilicious}}: Parodied in an episode where, after Francine is worried that her and Stan's new friends might get an abortion, he says...

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Parodied in an episode where, after Francine is worried that her and Stan's new friends might get an abortion, he says...


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** Sadly played straight in "Daesong Heavy Industries" which is just as heavy handed as ''Family Guy'' episodes like "Not All Dogs Go to Heaven" in terms of being anti-Christian.
19th Apr '16 9:42:46 PM IvanovTroping97
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** The theme song.
14th Apr '16 5:43:43 PM Nohbody
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* StopHelpingMe: In "Hurricane!", despite Francine's pleas, Stan continues to try and save his family from the disaster...only it makes things ''worse'', such as bringing in a {{bear|sAreBadNews}} to kill the [[ThreateningShark shark]] that is attacking them, since they are "natural enemies", but the two predators work together instead.
13th Apr '16 3:58:54 PM GordyTepig
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* RomanticPlotTumor: Steve and Snot's relationship, which has had the HoYay ramped up or outright confirmed them gay or together the future. It becomes jarring when literally every episode with Snot in it will mention or hint at this, no matter how unfitting or unnecessary it is.
11th Apr '16 6:11:49 PM ThomasVeggieDramaFan
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** Some low-key examples of this trope include "Stan's Best Friend," "The Boring Identity," "Da Flippity Flop,", "Familyland", "CIAPOW", "The Life Aquatic of Steve Smith" and "Anchorfran" which some viewers have described as feeling like episodes rejected from ''WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy'' with the Smiths in place of the Griffins.

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** Some low-key examples of this trope include "Stan's Best Friend," "The Boring Identity," "Da Flippity Flop,", "Familyland", "CIAPOW", "The Life Aquatic of Steve Smith" Smith", "Anchorfran", and "Anchorfran" "The Unincludeds" which some viewers have described as feeling like episodes rejected from ''WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy'' with the Smiths in place of the Griffins.
10th Apr '16 9:18:33 AM fruitstripegum
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** Klaus. He fucks with the Smiths (namely Steve and Roger) at every turn mostly because ItAmusedMe, but he was OnceAMan who was put in a goldfish body just so Germany wouldn't win a gold medal in the Winter Olympics, and its not like the Smiths treat him much better than he treats them.

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** Klaus. He fucks with the Smiths (namely Steve and Roger) at every turn mostly because ItAmusedMe, but he was OnceAMan WasOnceAMan who was put in a goldfish body just so Germany wouldn't win a gold medal in the Winter Olympics, and its not like the Smiths treat him much better than he treats them.
6th Apr '16 1:11:26 PM ThomasVeggieDramaFan
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* JustHereForGodzilla: There are a number of fans who watch the show nowadays just for Hayley, Klaus, and occasionally Jeff as they believe they're the only likable characters the show has left.
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