History YMMV / AmericanDad

23rd Apr '17 12:54:52 PM ThomasVeggieDramaFan
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** Despite being the shining example for the trope below, there are times where even Stan himself is guilty of this. Episodes like "Dope and Faith", "The Scarlett Getter", "Seizures Suit Stanny" and "Father's Daze" are great examples of episodes where he comes off as more of an actual villain than the hero that the show wants him to be.



* FamilyUnfriendlyAesop: Done on purpose in "Shallow Vows", where Stan and Francine realize that they're both horribly shallow[[note]]Stan only loves Francine for her looks, while she married him so she wouldn't have to work[[/note]], but declare that it works because they're honest about it.

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* FamilyUnfriendlyAesop: FamilyUnfriendlyAesop:
** "Daddy Queerest" has Terry's dad coming to visit him, then discovering he's gay and disowning him. After the characters scramble to convince him to accept homosexuals, he says "I know it's not dangerous. I know it isn't something that can be changed. I just don't like it." The moral is, "Bigots will be bigots no matter what you say to them, and sometimes they're people you love" (which, sadly, is TruthInTelevision).
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Done on purpose in "Shallow Vows", where Stan and Francine realize that they're both horribly shallow[[note]]Stan only loves Francine for her looks, while she married him so she wouldn't have to work[[/note]], but declare that it works because they're honest about it.
21st Apr '17 11:45:47 PM PrincessGwen
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** Debbie Hyman (for those who don't consider her a Scrappy)

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** Debbie Hyman (for those who don't consider her a Scrappy)Scrappy).



** Francine again in "Finances With Wolves". While we're supposed to feel sorry for her that Stan doesn't want to fund her muffin kiosk she loses sympathy for stealing the money and acting dismissive of him the rest of the episode.

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** Francine again in "Finances With Wolves". While we're supposed to feel sorry for her that Stan doesn't want to fund her muffin kiosk kiosk, she loses sympathy for stealing the money and acting dismissive of him for the rest of the episode.
11th Apr '17 5:05:37 PM ImperialMajestyXO
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** As seen below in StrawmanHasAPoint/InformedWrongness, many of the Aesops learned by Stan are broken due to the fact the universe repeatedly skews things so that he is wrong. This usually due to a CompressedVice, PlotInducedStupidity, TookALevelInJerkass, TookALevelInDumbass or a combination of all four. However given that one of the most recurring {{RecycledScript}}s is Stan finally deciding to spend some time for himself and his family falling apart because of their AllTakeAndNoGive mentality means that they are unable to function without him, forcing Stan to give up his me time is Stan meant to deconstruct the BumblingDad trope by playing it straight up to eleven.

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** As seen below in StrawmanHasAPoint/InformedWrongness, many of the Aesops learned by Stan are broken due to the fact the universe repeatedly skews things so that he is wrong. This usually due to a CompressedVice, PlotInducedStupidity, TookALevelInJerkass, TookALevelInDumbass or a combination of all four. However given that one of the most recurring {{RecycledScript}}s {{Recycled Script}}s is Stan finally deciding to spend some time for himself and his family falling apart because of their AllTakeAndNoGive mentality means that they are unable to function without him, forcing Stan to give up his me time is Stan meant to deconstruct the BumblingDad trope by playing it straight up to eleven.
10th Apr '17 5:38:41 AM ThomasVeggieDramaFan
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** Season 12 (the TBS episodes from "Roots" to "Standard Deviation") is met with a BrokenBase: while there are some who consider it an improvement over the previous season, due to more creativity to its plots, as well as some episodes that restore its characters to their pre-Flanderized selves, others see it as further evidence that the show was better off staying dead after FOX cancelled it. The uncensored usage of the word "Shit" comes across as very forced and feels like they're doing it only because they can. While the subplots for the most part are longer, they still continue to feel pointless and waste time that could've been used to develop the main plot further. Stan still continues to behave like Peter Griffin and now Francine actually gives Lois a run for her money in terms of how bitchy she can be (primarily in episodes that don't have her as the main focus). There appears to be a back-handed mean spiritedness directed at Mike Barker for leaving the series in the previous season as two of his characters (Terry Bates & John Sanders) are written out in very unceremonious manners (the former being PutOnABus and the latter being KilledOffForReal, both of which occur off-screen). And finally, a prime example to show that the people working on the series don't seem to care anymore is the "Daesong Heavy Industries" two-parter which as it's already been mentioned is a two-part episode where both episodes don't even end up having anything to do with each other.[[note]]Part I is especially hated, with many fans comparing it unfavorably to the Family Guy episode "Not All Dogs Go to Heaven" (almost unarguably the single most hated episode in the show's history, if not [[Creator/SethMacFarlane MacFarlane's]] career).[[/note]]

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** Season 12 (the TBS episodes from "Roots" to "Standard Deviation") is met with a BrokenBase: while there are some who consider it an improvement over the previous season, due to more creativity to its plots, as well as some episodes that restore its characters to their pre-Flanderized selves, others see it as further evidence that the show was better off staying dead after FOX cancelled it. The uncensored usage of the word "Shit" comes across as very forced and feels like they're doing it only because they can. While the subplots for the most part are longer, they still continue to feel pointless and waste time that could've been used to develop the main plot further. Stan still continues to behave like Peter Griffin and now Francine actually gives Lois a run for her money in terms of how bitchy she can be (primarily in episodes that don't have her as the main focus). There appears to be a back-handed mean spiritedness directed at Mike Barker for leaving the series in the previous season as two of his characters (Terry Bates & John Sanders) are written out in very unceremonious manners (the former being PutOnABus and the latter being KilledOffForReal, both of which occur off-screen). And finally, a prime example to show that the people working on the series don't seem to care anymore is the "Daesong Heavy Industries" two-parter which as it's already been mentioned is a two-part episode where both episodes don't even end up having anything to do with each other.[[note]]Part I is especially hated, with many fans comparing it unfavorably to the Family Guy episode ''Family Guy'' episodes that are anti-religion which includes "Not All Dogs Go to Heaven" (almost unarguably (one of the single most hated episode in the show's history, if not [[Creator/SethMacFarlane MacFarlane's]] career).career), not helped is how the episode is written by the same person who wrote the previous season's infamous "American Fung".[[/note]]
9th Apr '17 8:04:26 PM Jediuser
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** Season 12 (the TBS episodes from "Roots" to "Standard Deviation") further continued to convince fans that the show was likely better off just staying dead after FOX cancelled it. The uncensored usage of the word "Shit" comes across as very forced and feels like they're doing it only because they can. While the subplots for the most part are longer, they still continue to feel pointless and waste time that could've been used to develop the main plot further. Stan still continues to behave like Peter Griffin and now Francine actually gives Lois a run for her money in terms of how bitchy she can be (primarily in episodes that don't have her as the main focus). There appears to be a back-handed mean spiritedness directed at Mike Barker for leaving the series in the previous season as two of his characters (Terry Bates & John Sanders) are written out in very unceremonious manners (the former being PutOnABus and the latter being KilledOffForReal, both of which occur off-screen). And finally, a prime example to show that the people working on the series don't seem to care anymore is the "Daesong Heavy Industries" two-parter which as it's already been mentioned is a two-part episode where both episodes don't even end up having anything to do with each other.

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** Season 12 (the TBS episodes from "Roots" to "Standard Deviation") is met with a BrokenBase: while there are some who consider it an improvement over the previous season, due to more creativity to its plots, as well as some episodes that restore its characters to their pre-Flanderized selves, others see it as further continued to convince fans evidence that the show was likely better off just staying dead after FOX cancelled it. The uncensored usage of the word "Shit" comes across as very forced and feels like they're doing it only because they can. While the subplots for the most part are longer, they still continue to feel pointless and waste time that could've been used to develop the main plot further. Stan still continues to behave like Peter Griffin and now Francine actually gives Lois a run for her money in terms of how bitchy she can be (primarily in episodes that don't have her as the main focus). There appears to be a back-handed mean spiritedness directed at Mike Barker for leaving the series in the previous season as two of his characters (Terry Bates & John Sanders) are written out in very unceremonious manners (the former being PutOnABus and the latter being KilledOffForReal, both of which occur off-screen). And finally, a prime example to show that the people working on the series don't seem to care anymore is the "Daesong Heavy Industries" two-parter which as it's already been mentioned is a two-part episode where both episodes don't even end up having anything to do with each other.[[note]]Part I is especially hated, with many fans comparing it unfavorably to the Family Guy episode "Not All Dogs Go to Heaven" (almost unarguably the single most hated episode in the show's history, if not [[Creator/SethMacFarlane MacFarlane's]] career).[[/note]]
7th Apr '17 5:03:24 PM Technomaru
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** In the Pilot, once Lisa Silver dumps Steve he sees other couples making out and this drives him to be drunk with power as Student President and be driven crazy... in 2014 Elliot Rodger would kill 6 people and himself because he was enraged that he was a virgin and had a sad past consisting of watching other people make out and listening to other guys brag about their sexual exploits.
30th Mar '17 6:06:35 PM MyLittleXero
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30th Mar '17 6:06:33 PM MyLittleXero
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** A good example of this is in "May The Best Stan Win" where Stan is supposed to be a jerk for hoisting Francine off to his future self, [=CyborgStan=] on Valentine's Day, so when she leaves him for [=CyborgStan=], it'll be deserved.
The thing is the only reason Stan didn't spend the day with her is because [=CyborgStan=] had lied about his reason for being in the past saying, [=PresentStan=] had to train to fight an oncoming war, and when it's revealed that [=CyborgStan=] had lied in order to steal Francine, [=PresentStan=] is still supposed to make it up to her despite the fact she knows he was sabotaged.

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** A good example of this is in "May The Best Stan Win" where Stan is supposed to be a jerk for hoisting Francine off to his future self, [=CyborgStan=] on Valentine's Day, so when she leaves him for [=CyborgStan=], it'll be deserved.
deserved. The thing is the only reason Stan didn't spend the day with her is because [=CyborgStan=] had lied about his reason for being in the past saying, [=PresentStan=] had to train to fight an oncoming war, and when it's revealed that [=CyborgStan=] had lied in order to steal Francine, [=PresentStan=] is still supposed to make it up to her despite the fact she knows he was sabotaged.
30th Mar '17 5:50:14 PM MyLittleXero
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30th Mar '17 5:50:13 PM MyLittleXero
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** A good example of this is in "May The Best Stan Win". Stan's supposed to be a jerk for hoisting Francine off to his future self, [=CyborgStan=] instead of spending time with her himself on Valentine's Day, so we'll see it as deserved when she leaves him for [=CyborgSan=]. The thing is [=CyborgStan=] had come to the past specifically to make sure [=PresentStan=] doesn't spend time with Francine so she'd leave him and even after this is revealed, he's still supposed make it up to her.

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** A good example of this is in "May The Best Stan Win". Stan's Win" where Stan is supposed to be a jerk for hoisting Francine off to his future self, [=CyborgStan=] instead of spending time with her himself on Valentine's Day, so we'll see it as deserved when she leaves him for [=CyborgSan=]. [=CyborgStan=], it'll be deserved.
The thing is the only reason Stan didn't spend the day with her is because [=CyborgStan=] had come to lied about his reason for being in the past specifically to make sure saying, [=PresentStan=] doesn't spend time with Francine so she'd leave him had to train to fight an oncoming war, and even after this when it's revealed that [=CyborgStan=] had lied in order to steal Francine, [=PresentStan=] is revealed, he's still supposed to make it up to her.her despite the fact she knows he was sabotaged.
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