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FanDislikedExplanation: The explanation for Laura's out-of character behavior[[note]]especially that Laura has been unusually reckless, rushing into situations without consideration of the consequences even though she's traditionally been presented as very deliberate and calculating, and a careful strategist[[/note]] hasn't even been revealed yet, and fans are ''already'' rejecting it as there being nothing plausible enough to explain it. That Hopeless has ''also'' been trolling X-23 fans' reaction only exacerbates it further.
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** Even before volume two bowed fans were split on Dennis Hopeless, primarily based on how much readers enjoyed his previous work. It wasn't helped by BrokenBase over ''Avengers Arena'' and ''Undercover''.
*** The first couple issues have done little to resolve the situation, with opinions remaining decidedly split. Particularly over his characterization of Wolverine.
** Pickles in volume 2 is either a cute addition to the cast in the book that's not meant to take itself too seriously, or an irritating RidiculouslyCuteCritter worthy [[Film/StarWarsEpisodeIThePhantomMenace Jar-Jar Binks]] levels of backlash, ''especially'' as Hopeless has already said that he's his [[CreatorsPet favorite member of the cast]]. The fact that if his sole purpose on the team is to act as the team teleporter, despite fan-favorite characters with that power set such as Pixie not being used by the other books, has only added fuel to hate.
* CreatorsPet: Pickles in volume 2 is Hopeless's self-admitted favorite member of the cast, with his presence in the book earning backlash — particularly with other teleporters like Pixie available, but unused — a mere ''four issues in''.
* FanDislikedExplanation: Pretty much ''everything'' regarding X-23's behavior under Bendis generates this reaction. ''Especially'' the things that were never actually addressed in-story, and were hand-waved away with WordOfGod statements and Bendis being...well...[[TrollingCreator Bendis]].
** It doesn't get better in the second volume by Hopeless. The explanation for her out-of character behavior[[note]]especially that Laura has been unusually reckless, rushing into situations without consideration of the consequences even though she's traditionally been presented as very deliberate and calculating, and a careful strategist[[/note]] hasn't even been revealed yet, and fans are ''already'' rejecting it as there being nothing plausible enough to explain it. That Hopeless has ''also'' been trolling X-23 fans' reaction only exacerbates it further.
*** The first couple issues have done little to resolve the situation, with opinions remaining decidedly split. Particularly over his characterization of Wolverine.
** Pickles in volume 2 is either a cute addition to the cast in the book that's not meant to take itself too seriously, or an irritating RidiculouslyCuteCritter worthy [[Film/StarWarsEpisodeIThePhantomMenace Jar-Jar Binks]] levels of backlash, ''especially'' as Hopeless has already said that he's his [[CreatorsPet favorite member of the cast]]. The fact that if his sole purpose on the team is to act as the team teleporter, despite fan-favorite characters with that power set such as Pixie not being used by the other books, has only added fuel to hate.
* CreatorsPet: Pickles in volume 2 is Hopeless's self-admitted favorite member of the cast, with his presence in the book earning backlash — particularly with other teleporters like Pixie available, but unused — a mere ''four issues in''.
* FanDislikedExplanation: Pretty much ''everything'' regarding X-23's behavior under Bendis generates this reaction. ''Especially'' the things that were never actually addressed in-story, and were hand-waved away with WordOfGod statements and Bendis being...well...[[TrollingCreator Bendis]].
** It doesn't get better in the second volume by Hopeless. The explanation for her out-of character behavior[[note]]especially that Laura has been unusually reckless, rushing into situations without consideration of the consequences even though she's traditionally been presented as very deliberate and calculating, and a careful strategist[[/note]] hasn't even been revealed yet, and fans are ''already'' rejecting it as there being nothing plausible enough to explain it. That Hopeless has ''also'' been trolling X-23 fans' reaction only exacerbates it further.
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*** The first couple issues have done little to resolve the situation, with opinions remaining decidedly split. Particularly over his characterization of Wolverine.
** Pickles in volume 2 is either a cute addition to the cast in the book that's not meant to take itself too seriously, or an irritating RidiculouslyCuteCritter worthy [[Film/StarWarsEpisodeIThePhantomMenace Jar-Jar Binks]] levels of backlash, ''especially'' as Hopeless has already said that he's his [[CreatorsPet favorite member of the cast]]. The fact that if his sole purpose on the team is to act as the team teleporter, despite fan-favorite characters with that power set such as Pixie not being used by the other books, has only added fuel to hate.
* CreatorsPet: Pickles in volume 2 is Hopeless's self-admitted favorite member of the cast, with his presence in the book earning backlash — particularly with other teleporters like Pixie available, but unused — a mere ''four issues in''.
** It doesn't get better in the second volume by Hopeless. The explanation for her out-of character behavior[[note]]especially that Laura has been unusually reckless, rushing into situations without consideration of the consequences even though she's traditionally been presented as very deliberate and calculating, and a careful strategist[[/note]] hasn't even been revealed yet, and fans are ''already'' rejecting it as there being nothing plausible enough to explain it. That Hopeless has ''also'' been trolling X-23 fans' reaction only exacerbates it further.
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** After being relaunched as part of the ''AllNewAllDifferentMarvel'' initiative, the 'Cyclops is a villain' theme has been re-affirmed as, following a timeskip, Cyclops did ''[[NoodleIncident something]]'' that has made him become regarded as one of the worst monsters in the Marvel Universe after the reveal about Terrigen Mist's effect on mutants were revealed. As we've not actually been told ''what'' it is that Scott did, and the fact that he did said act in response to the fact that mutants are being ''killed and sterilized'' by the Terrigen Mist cloud, which was released by Black Bolt without checking if it would harm anyone first, makes it hard for fans to accept him in the wrong. It doesn't help that teen!Cyclops' description of his adult counterpart's actions leading up to it don't gel with how he ''actually'' acted, making him look like, at best, an UnreliableNarrator.
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** Even before volume two bowed fans were split on Dennis Hopeless, primarily based on how much readers enjoyed his previous work. It wasn't helped by BrokenBase over ''Avengers Arena'' and ''Undercover''.
*** The first couple issues have done little to resolve the situation, with opinions remaining decidedly split. Particularly over his characterization of Wolverine.
** Pickles in volume 2 is either a cute addition to the cast in the book that's not meant to take itself too seriously, or an irritating RidiculouslyCuteCritter worthy [[Film/StarWarsEpisodeIThePhantomMenace Jar-Jar Binks]] levels of backlash, ''especially'' as Hopeless has already said that he's his [[CreatorsPet favorite member of the cast]]. The fact that if his sole purpose on the team is to act as the team teleporter, despite fan-favorite characters with that power set such as Pixie not being used by the other books, has only added fuel to hate.
* CreatorsPet: Pickles in volume 2 is Hopeless's self-admitted favorite member of the cast, with his presence in the book earning backlash — particularly with other teleporters like Pixie available, but unused — a mere ''four issues in''.
FanDislikedExplanation: The explanation for Laura's out-of character behavior[[note]]especially that Laura has been unusually reckless, rushing into situations without consideration of the consequences even though she's traditionally been presented as very deliberate and calculating, and a careful strategist[[/note]] hasn't even been revealed yet, and fans are ''already'' rejecting it as there being nothing plausible enough to explain it. That Hopeless has ''also'' been trolling X-23 fans' reaction only exacerbates it further.
* InformedWrongness: After being relaunched as part of the ''AllNewAllDifferentMarvel'' initiative, the 'Cyclops is a villain' theme has been re-affirmed as, following a timeskip, Cyclops did ''[[NoodleIncident something]]'' that has made him become regarded as one of the worst monsters in the Marvel Universe after the reveal about Terrigen Mist's effect on mutants were revealed. As we've not actually been told ''what'' it is that Scott did, and the fact that he did said act in response to the fact that mutants are being ''killed and sterilized'' by the Terrigen Mist cloud, which was released by Black Bolt without checking if it would harm anyone first, makes it hard for fans to accept him in the wrong. It doesn't help that Teen!Cyclops' description of his adult counterpart's actions leading up to it don't gel with how he ''actually'' acted, making him look like, at best, an UnreliableNarrator.
* TheyJustDidntCare: When asked whether Blob had his powers restored or is still on MGH, Hopeless openly responded with this, admitting he just didn't bother to decide whether or not he got his powers back, or how he suddenly became a legitimate threat again.
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* AwesomeArt: No matter what people think of the story, the art is praised. Bendis being who he is, he's got some really good artists to draw this stuff. Stuart Immonen's art was great, and even made the original X-Men costumnes look really good. And Sara Pichelli's artwork is beautiful as always.
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* WhatCouldHaveBeen: Speculation abounds that Teen!Scott going into space was a late change of plans, and that the relationship that developed between Warren and Laura was actually meant for ''Scott'' and Laura, mainly because the latter pairing had substantial groundwork laid, while Warren just kind of came out of nowhere.
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* UnfortunateImplications: [[http://bisexual-books.tumblr.com/post/116985332942/how-to-fail-at-coming-out-stories-in-comics Some people]] have taken [[http://thelatestpull.com/2015/04/founding-x-men-member-iceman-comes-out-as-gay-well-the-one-from-the-1960s-does-wait-what/ issue]] with Bobby being gay, or rather taken issue with how the matter was revealed to the public. Namely they take issue with the callous dismissal of the prospect of him being bisexual, and also with how this feels forced on him by Jean Grey.
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* UnfortunateImplications: [[http://bisexual-books.tumblr.com/post/116985332942/how-to-fail-at-coming-out-stories-in-comics Some people]] have taken [[http://thelatestpull.com/2015/04/founding-x-men-member-iceman-comes-out-as-gay-well-the-one-from-the-1960s-does-wait-what/ issue]] with Bobby being gay, [[{{SuddenlySexuality}} gay]], or rather taken issue with how the matter was revealed to the public. Namely they take issue with the [[{{NoBisexuals}} callous dismissal of the prospect of him being bisexual, bisexual]], and also with how this feels forced on him by Jean Grey.
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** Pickles in volume 2 is either a cute addition to the cast in the book that's not meant to take itself too seriously, or an irritating RidiculouslyCuteCritter worthy [[Film/StarWarsEpisodeIThePhantomMenace Jar-Jar Binks]] levels of backlash, ''especially'' as Hopeless has already said that he's his [[CreatorsPet favorite member of the cast]].
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** Pickles in volume 2 is either a cute addition to the cast in the book that's not meant to take itself too seriously, or an irritating RidiculouslyCuteCritter worthy [[Film/StarWarsEpisodeIThePhantomMenace Jar-Jar Binks]] levels of backlash, ''especially'' as Hopeless has already said that he's his [[CreatorsPet favorite member of the cast]]. The fact that if his sole purpose on the team is to act as the team teleporter, despite fan-favorite characters with that power set such as Pixie not being used by the other books, has only added fuel to hate.
* CreatorsPet: Pickles in volume 2 is Hopeless's self-admitted favorite member of the cast, with his presence in the book earning backlash — particularly with other teleporters like Pixie available, but unused — a mere ''four issues in''.
* CreatorsPet: Pickles in volume 2 is Hopeless's self-admitted favorite member of the cast, with his presence in the book earning backlash — particularly with other teleporters like Pixie available, but unused — a mere ''four issues in''.
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** Pickles in volume 2 is either a cute addition to the cast in the book that's not meant to take itself too seriously, or an irritating RidiculouslyCuteCritter worthy [[Film/StarWarsEpisodeIThePhantomMenace Jar-Jar Binks]] levels of backlash, ''especially'' as Hopeless has already said that he's his [[CreatorsPet favorite member of the cast]].
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* FanDislikedExplanation: Pretty much ''everything'' regarding X-23's behavior under Bendis generates this reaction. ''Especially'' the things that were never actually addressed in-story, and were hand-waved away with WordOfGod statements and Bendis being...well...[[TrollingCreator Bendis]].
** It doesn't get better in the second volume by Hopeless. The explanation for her out-of character behavior[[note]]especially that Laura has been unusually reckless, rushing into situations without consideration of the consequences even though she's traditionally been presented as very deliberate and calculating, and a careful strategist[[/note]] hasn't even been revealed yet, and fans are ''already'' rejecting it as there being nothing plausible enough to explain it. That Hopeless has ''also'' been trolling X-23 fans' reaction only exacerbates it further.
** It doesn't get better in the second volume by Hopeless. The explanation for her out-of character behavior[[note]]especially that Laura has been unusually reckless, rushing into situations without consideration of the consequences even though she's traditionally been presented as very deliberate and calculating, and a careful strategist[[/note]] hasn't even been revealed yet, and fans are ''already'' rejecting it as there being nothing plausible enough to explain it. That Hopeless has ''also'' been trolling X-23 fans' reaction only exacerbates it further.
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** With a side order of {{Squick}}: X-23 and Scott's mutual (but never acted upon) attraction makes Hellverine's attempt to seduce her in the form of a naked Cyclops during her solo series this.
** Also Laura and Warren hooking up: When she first joined the X-Men way back in Claremont's last run on ''Uncanny X-Men'', Laura [[FunnyBackgroundEvent could frequently be seen in the background]] aping Comicbook/{{Psylocke}}'s mannerisms. And Betsy's most iconic romantic relationship just happens to be the adult Warren. 10 years later and Laura is ''still'' imitating Betsy... Lampshaded by ''[[http://40.media.tumblr.com/cf23cc1fdc11df10db5701ff466785e2/tumblr_o0rspybXCP1sp1wslo1_1280.jpg Waiting for the Trade]]''.
** Also Laura and Warren hooking up: When she first joined the X-Men way back in Claremont's last run on ''Uncanny X-Men'', Laura [[FunnyBackgroundEvent could frequently be seen in the background]] aping Comicbook/{{Psylocke}}'s mannerisms. And Betsy's most iconic romantic relationship just happens to be the adult Warren. 10 years later and Laura is ''still'' imitating Betsy... Lampshaded by ''[[http://40.media.tumblr.com/cf23cc1fdc11df10db5701ff466785e2/tumblr_o0rspybXCP1sp1wslo1_1280.jpg Waiting for the Trade]]''.
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* RomanticPlotTumor: A frequent criticism of the Laura/Warren relationship. ''Particularly'' as most of their interactions in volume consist of Laura being reckless, and Warren ''admonishing'' her for being reckless.
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*** Ironically, after the first arc of the second volume, many of X's fans actually began wishing for Bendis ''back'' after the way Hopeless wrote her.
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*** Ironically, after the first arc of the second volume, many of X's fans actually began wishing for Bendis ''back'' after the way Hopeless wrote her. The main objections have been Laura's abuse of her HealingFactor and LeeroyJenkins attitude in the second volume, despite historically being portrayed as a very intelligent, methodical, and strategic fighter who does ''not'' usually charge into a fight blindly. It's only gotten worse with the beginning of the second arc, and has not been helped at all by Hopeless alternating between trolling her fans and insisting there ''is'' an explanation that just hasn't been revealed yet. The fact that most fans view her portrayal in the concurrently-running ''All-New Wolverine'' as far superior and much more in-character only compounds the backlash against Hopeless' treatment of the character.
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*** Ironically, after the first arc of the second volume, many of X's fans actually began wishing for Bendis ''back'' after the way Hopeless wrote her in the first arc.
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** After being relaunched as part of the ''AllNewAllDifferentMarvel'' initiative, the 'Cyclops is a villain' theme has been re-affirmed as, following a timeskip, Cyclops did ''[[NoodleIncident something]]'' that has made him become regarded as one of the worst monsters in the Marvel Universe after the reveal about Terrigen Mist's effect on mutants were revealed. As we've not actually been told ''what'' it is that Scott did, and the fact that he did said act in response to the fact that mutants are being ''killed and sterilized'' by the Terrigen Mist cloud, which was released by Black Bolt without checking if it would harm anyone first, makes it hard for fans to accept him in the wrong. It doesn't help that teen!Cyclops' description of his adult counterpart's actions leading up to it don't gel with how he ''actually'' acted, making him look like, at best, an UnreliableNarrator.
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** Even before volume two bowed fans were split on Dennis Hopeless, primarily based on how much readers enjoyed his previous work. It wasn't helped by BrokenBase over ''Avengers Arena'' and ''Undercover''.
*** The first couple issues have done little to resolve the situation, with opinions remaining decidedly split. Particularly over his characterization of Wolverine.
*** The first couple issues have done little to resolve the situation, with opinions remaining decidedly split. Particularly over his characterization of Wolverine.
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** In Comicbook/XMenBattleOfTheAtom #1, after Cyclops's X-Men's BigDamnHeroes moment, they seem to get along well with Kitty and the O5 with the latter appreciating the rescue. Leading more than one fan to suggest that the conflicts between the two teams come from Wolverine and Beast. And, since after the event sees [[spoiler: Kitty and the O5 dumping Logan's side and switching to Scott's]] makes it clear that we're no longer supposed to disagree with Cyclops or his methods, rather the characters in-universe were villainizing him.
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** In Comicbook/XMenBattleOfTheAtom ''ComicBook/BattleOfTheAtom'' #1, after Cyclops's X-Men's BigDamnHeroes moment, they seem to get along well with Kitty and the O5 with the latter appreciating the rescue. Leading more than one fan to suggest that the conflicts between the two teams come from Wolverine and Beast. And, since after the event sees [[spoiler: Kitty and the O5 dumping Logan's side and switching to Scott's]] makes it clear that we're no longer supposed to disagree with Cyclops or his methods, rather the characters in-universe were villainizing him.
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**Iceman's gay reveal comes off as an asspull to many readers.
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Jean Grey. Whatever sympathy you have for what the future might hold for her, including dying twice, is pretty much thrown out of the window with how abusive, intrusive and amoral she is with her powers at times.
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** So everyone from the Future Brotherhood except for Raze is now suddenly innocent and just mind-controlled by Kid-Xavier? Even Xorna-Jean? Eh. Hell, in the last issue of the ''Battle of the Atom'' crossover, we clearly see that Xavier was trying to calm Xornita down when she went psycho. It's later called into question on what Xorn really is, but needless to say, this is not the cleanest of RetCons, to sayt he least.
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** So everyone from the Future Brotherhood except for Raze is now suddenly innocent and just mind-controlled by Kid-Xavier? Even Xorna-Jean? Eh. Hell, in the last issue of the ''Battle of the Atom'' crossover, we clearly see that Xavier was trying to calm Xornita down when she went psycho. It's later called into question on what Xorn really is, but needless to say, this is not the cleanest of RetCons, to sayt he least.RetCons.
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** The fight between the the X-Men (O5, Kitty and Wolverine) and Mystique's new Brotherhood (Mystique, Sabretooth and Mastermind) and Hydra (Madame Hydra and Silver Samurai). While it's possible that they could've beaten the Brotherhood, how easily the X-Men won is ''really'' stretching it. For one, Creed seems to have lost all his competence, not even landing a single blow. Similarly, Madame Hydra becomes a joke, unable to do anything of notice and being completely reliant on guns, when she is actually pretty damn badass. And Mystique does nothing the entire fight. And everyone no longer has any mental defenses at all, as well.
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** The fight between the the X-Men (O5, Kitty and Wolverine) and Mystique's new Brotherhood (Mystique, Sabretooth and Mastermind) and Hydra (Madame Hydra and Silver Samurai). While it's possible that they could've beaten the Brotherhood, how easily the X-Men won is ''really'' stretching it. For one, Creed seems to have lost all his competence, not even landing a single blow. Similarly, Madame Hydra becomes a joke, unable to do anything of notice and being completely reliant on guns, when she is actually pretty damn badass. And Mystique does nothing the entire fight. fight, and even gets kicked in the face by a flustered Jean who she had the jump on. And everyone no longer none of them has any mental defenses at all, as well.apparently.
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* AssPull: So everyone from the Future Brotherhood except for Raze is now suddenly innocent and just mind-controlled by Kid-Xavier? Even Xorna-Jean? Eh. Hell, in the last issue of the ''Battle of the Atom'' crossover, we clearly see that Xavier was trying to calm Xornita down when she went psycho. It's later called into question on what Xorn really is, but needless to say, this is not the cleanest of RetCons, to sayt he least.
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** So everyone from the Future Brotherhood except for Raze is now suddenly innocent and just mind-controlled by Kid-Xavier? Even Xorna-Jean? Eh. Hell, in the last issue of the ''Battle of the Atom'' crossover, we clearly see that Xavier was trying to calm Xornita down when she went psycho. It's later called into question on what Xorn really is, but needless to say, this is not the cleanest of RetCons, to sayt he least.
** So everyone from the Future Brotherhood except for Raze is now suddenly innocent and just mind-controlled by Kid-Xavier? Even Xorna-Jean? Eh. Hell, in the last issue of the ''Battle of the Atom'' crossover, we clearly see that Xavier was trying to calm Xornita down when she went psycho. It's later called into question on what Xorn really is, but needless to say, this is not the cleanest of RetCons, to sayt he least.
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* AssPull: So everyone from the Future Brotherhood except for Raze is now suddenly innocent and just mind-controlled by Kid-Xavier? Even Xorna-Jean? Eh. Hell, in the last issue of the ''Battle of the Atom'' crossover, we clearly see that Xavier was trying to calm Xornita down when she went psycho.
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* AssPull: So everyone from the Future Brotherhood except for Raze is now suddenly innocent and just mind-controlled by Kid-Xavier? Even Xorna-Jean? Eh. Hell, in the last issue of the ''Battle of the Atom'' crossover, we clearly see that Xavier was trying to calm Xornita down when she went psycho. It's later called into question on what Xorn really is, but needless to say, this is not the cleanest of RetCons, to sayt he least.
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** That said, it The fight between the the X-Men (O5, Kitty and Wolverine) and Mystique's new Brotherhood (Mystique, Sabretooth and Mastermind) and Hydra (Madame Hydra and Silver Samurai). While it's possible that they could've beaten the Brotherhood, how easily the X-Men won is left ambiguous exactly what Xorn-Jean was.''really'' stretching it. For one, Creed seems to have lost all his competence, not even landing a single blow. Similarly, Madame Hydra becomes a joke, unable to do anything of notice and being completely reliant on guns, when she is actually pretty damn badass. And Mystique does nothing the entire fight. And everyone no longer has any mental defenses at all, as well.
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*** Finally, fans are split on the matter of whether or not this means the present day Bobby is secretly gay, as all of the Teen O5 are supposed to be from Universe 616 in the past. If this reveal means Adult Bobby is gay, then it's either the usual issue of Bendis not respecting continuity or it makes sense that Adult Bobby would never reveal his homosexuality in the 1960's era. If Adult Bobby isn't gay, then the past O5 aren't the same people as the future O5 after all and there goes a perfectly good attempt at adding more diversity to an established cast, or it's great news because not every fan likes the past O5 and any proof that the 2 aren't connected to the same timeline is music to their eyes.
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*** Finally, fans are split on the matter of whether or not this means the present day Bobby is secretly gay, as all of the Teen O5 are supposed to be from Universe 616 in the past. If this reveal means Adult Bobby is gay, then it's either the usual issue of Bendis not respecting continuity or it makes sense that Adult Bobby would never reveal his homosexuality in the 1960's era. If Adult Bobby isn't gay, then the past O5 aren't the same people as the future O5 after all and there goes a perfectly good attempt at adding more diversity to an established cast, or it's great news because not every fan likes the past O5 and any proof that the 2 two aren't connected to the same timeline is music to their eyes.ears.
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* WTHCostumingDepartment: The new uniforms for the O5 X-Men have. Though, as mentioned above, this is hardly a unanimous opinion (although it's more unanimously negative for X-23).
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* WTHCostumingDepartment: The new uniforms for the O5 X-Men have.X-Men. Though, as mentioned above, this is hardly a unanimous opinion (although it's more unanimously negative for X-23).
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* StrangledByTheRedString: Bendis seems to care about the Kitty Pryde/Star-Lord relationship a ''lot'' more than readers do. It doesn't help that the foundation of the entire relationship is the joke that Kitty often dates guys named Peter... which doesn't even make sense if you spend more than a second thinking about it, since ''Ultimate'' Kitty Pryde was the one who dated Peter Parker (in ''Ultimate Spider-Man'', which Bendis himself writes, so another case of him doing whatever he wants just because he likes it), and Colossus' name is actually Piotr, and Peter is just the anglicised version. She did date a guy called Pete Wisdom, but that was never that big a thing. So, she dated one guy named Peter and one who is ''sort-of'' named Peter, and that's the basis of her dating Star-Lord. Really, it seems more like this relationship only exists because Bendis happens to be writing ''ComicBook/GuardiansOfTheGalaxy''.
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* StrangledByTheRedString: Bendis seems to care about the StrangledByTheRedString:
** The Kitty Pryde/Star-Lordrelationship a ''lot'' more than readers do. relationship, at least in how the two get together so quickly. It doesn't help that the foundation of the entire relationship is the joke that Kitty often dates guys named Peter... which Peter, and the fact Bendis was writing ''Guardians of the Galaxy'' at the time. Fortunately, this doesn't even make sense if you spend more than a second thinking about it, since ''Ultimate'' Kitty Pryde was the one who dated Peter Parker (in ''Ultimate Spider-Man'', which Bendis himself writes, so another case of him doing whatever he wants just because he likes it), and Colossus' name is actually Piotr, come up much in this series and Peter is just the anglicised version. She did date a guy called Pete Wisdom, but that was never that big a thing. So, she dated one guy named Peter and one who is ''sort-of'' named Peter, and that's the basis of her dating Star-Lord. Really, it seems more like this relationship only exists because Bendis happens to be writing ''ComicBook/GuardiansOfTheGalaxy''.focused on in ''The Legendary Star-Lord'', where the pairing got actual development and was much better received.
** The Kitty Pryde/Star-Lord
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* HilariousInHindsight: Jean confronting Bobby on his sexuality. The first issue of the X-Men, where she is introduced, every single member of the team is excited to meet the new girl except Bobby who is outright dismissive of everyone's excitement.
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* AssPull: So everyone from the Future Brotherhood except for Raze is now suddenly innocent and just mind-controlled by Kid-Xavier? Even Xorna-Jean? Eh. Hell, in the last issue of the ''Battle of the Atom'' crossover, we clearly see that Xavier was trying to calm Xornita down when she went psycho.
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* AssPull: So everyone from the Future Brotherhood except for Raze is now suddenly innocent and just mind-controlled by Kid-Xavier? Even Xorna-Jean? Eh. Hell, in the last issue of the ''Battle of the Atom'' crossover, we clearly see that Xavier was trying to calm Xornita down when she went psycho.
** That said, it is left ambiguous exactly what Xorn-Jean was.
** That said, it is left ambiguous exactly what Xorn-Jean was.
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** The reveal of Bobby being gay seems to come about through a rather cheap offhanded comment by Jean in a manner that seems incredibly forced and tries to casually handwave Older Bobby's heterosexual tendencies.
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*** Some fans are happy that such a longstanding and powerful member of the X-Men is no longer straight, while other fans are less than impressed with the "revelation" of Teen Bobby secretly being homosexual. Still others are saying, IKnewIt
*** Beyond that is the issue of how this was revealed to Bobby, with some fans feeling that Teen Jean's actions in reading his mind without consent to find out were reprehensible and robbed Teen Bobby of the chance to discover it on his own while other fans don't mind the method because at this point they are well aware of how amoral Teen Jean is about her mind reading and treat it as an establish character flaw of hers.
*** Beyond that is the issue of how this was revealed to Bobby, with some fans feeling that Teen Jean's actions in reading his mind without consent to find out were reprehensible and robbed Teen Bobby of the chance to discover it on his own while other fans don't mind the method because at this point they are well aware of how amoral Teen Jean is about her mind reading and treat it as an establish character flaw of hers.
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*** Some fans are happy that such a longstanding and powerful member of the X-Men is no longer straight, while other fans are less than impressed with the "revelation" of Teen Bobby secretly being homosexual. Still others are saying, IKnewIt
IKnewIt.
*** There's also quite a bit of debate on if its a well-handled coming out or not. Some like the idea of Bobby being gay but dislike how Bendis wrote the scene as it ticks a number of clichés that some find uncomfortable or offensive, while others feel the scene was blunt but realistic.
*** Beyond that is the issue of how this was revealed to Bobby, with some fans feeling that Teen Jean's actions in reading his mind without consent to find out were reprehensible and robbed Teen Bobby of the chance to discover it on his own while other fans don't mind the method because at this point they are well aware of how amoral Teen Jean is about her mind reading and treat it as an establish character flaw ofhers.hers (especially since she can't quite control it), and that it appears that his sexuality was causing him quite a bit of turmoil and, looking at his adult self, he's not going to deal with it for some time, making Jean's intrusiveness more well-meaning.
*** There's also quite a bit of debate on if its a well-handled coming out or not. Some like the idea of Bobby being gay but dislike how Bendis wrote the scene as it ticks a number of clichés that some find uncomfortable or offensive, while others feel the scene was blunt but realistic.
*** Beyond that is the issue of how this was revealed to Bobby, with some fans feeling that Teen Jean's actions in reading his mind without consent to find out were reprehensible and robbed Teen Bobby of the chance to discover it on his own while other fans don't mind the method because at this point they are well aware of how amoral Teen Jean is about her mind reading and treat it as an establish character flaw of
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** The reveal of Bobby being gay seems to come about through a rather cheap offhanded comment by Jean in a manner that seems incredibly forced and tries to casually handwave Older Bobby's heterosexual tendencies.
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* UnfortunateImplications: [[http://bisexual-books.tumblr.com/post/116985332942/how-to-fail-at-coming-out-stories-in-comics Some people]] have taken [[http://thelatestpull.com/2015/04/founding-x-men-member-iceman-comes-out-as-gay-well-the-one-from-the-1960s-does-wait-what/ issue]] with Bobby being gay, or rather taken issue with how the matter was revealed to the public. Namely they take issue with the callous dismissal of the prospect of him being bisexual, and also with how this feels forced on him by Jean Grey.
