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** Teen Bobby being told he's gay, and not bisexual, by Teen Jean. Some fans are happy that such a longstanding and powerful member of the X-Men is no longer straight, while other fans are less than impressed with the "revelation" of Teen Bobby secretly being homosexual. Beyond that is the issue of how this was revealed to Bobby, with some fans feeling that Teen Jean's actions in reading his mind without consent to find out were reprehensible and robbed Teen Bobby of the chance to discover it on his own while other fans don't mind the method because at this point they are well aware of how amoral Teen Jean is about her mind reading and treat it as an establish character flaw of hers. Finally, fans are split on the matter of whether or not this means the present day Bobby is secretly gay, as all of the Teen O-5 are supposed to be from Universe 616 in the past. If this reveal means Adult Bobby is gay, then it's either the usual issue of Bendis not respecting continuity or it makes sense that Adult Bobby would never reveal his homosexuality in the 1960's era. If Adult Bobby isn't gay, then the past 0-5 aren't the same people as the future 0-5 after all and there goes a perfectly good attempt at adding more diversity to an established cast, or it's great news because not every fan likes the past 0-5 and any proof that the 2 aren't connected to the same timeline is music to their eyes.
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** Teen Bobby being told he's gay, and not bisexual, by Teen Jean. Jean opens a massive can of worms:
*** Some fans are happy that such a longstanding and powerful member of the X-Men is no longer straight, while other fans are less than impressed with the "revelation" of Teen Bobby secretly being homosexual. Still others are saying, IKnewIt
*** Beyond that is the issue of how this was revealed to Bobby, with some fans feeling that Teen Jean's actions in reading his mind without consent to find out were reprehensible and robbed Teen Bobby of the chance to discover it on his own while other fans don't mind the method because at this point they are well aware of how amoral Teen Jean is about her mind reading and treat it as an establish character flaw ofhers. hers.
*** Finally, fans are split on the matter of whether or not this means the present day Bobby is secretly gay, as all of the TeenO-5 O5 are supposed to be from Universe 616 in the past. If this reveal means Adult Bobby is gay, then it's either the usual issue of Bendis not respecting continuity or it makes sense that Adult Bobby would never reveal his homosexuality in the 1960's era. If Adult Bobby isn't gay, then the past 0-5 O5 aren't the same people as the future 0-5 O5 after all and there goes a perfectly good attempt at adding more diversity to an established cast, or it's great news because not every fan likes the past 0-5 O5 and any proof that the 2 aren't connected to the same timeline is music to their eyes.
*** Some fans are happy that such a longstanding and powerful member of the X-Men is no longer straight, while other fans are less than impressed with the "revelation" of Teen Bobby secretly being homosexual. Still others are saying, IKnewIt
*** Beyond that is the issue of how this was revealed to Bobby, with some fans feeling that Teen Jean's actions in reading his mind without consent to find out were reprehensible and robbed Teen Bobby of the chance to discover it on his own while other fans don't mind the method because at this point they are well aware of how amoral Teen Jean is about her mind reading and treat it as an establish character flaw of
*** Finally, fans are split on the matter of whether or not this means the present day Bobby is secretly gay, as all of the Teen
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** Teen Bobby being told he's gay, and not bisexual, by Teen Jean. Some fans are happy that such a longstanding and powerful member of the X-Men is no longer straight, while other fans are less than impressed with the "revelation" of Teen Bobby secretly being homosexual. Beyond that is the issue of how this was revealed to Bobby, with some fans feeling that Teen Jean's actions in reading his mind without consent to find out were reprehensible and robbed Teen Bobby of the chance to discover it on his own while other fans don't mind the method because at this point they are well aware of how amoral Teen Jean is about her mind reading at treat it as an establish character flaw of hers. Finally, fans are split on the matter of whether or not this means the present day Bobby is secretly gay, as all of the Teen O-5 are supposed to be from Universe 616 in the past. If this reveal means Adult Bobby is gay, then it's either the usual issue of Bendis not respecting continuity or it makes sense that Adult Bobby would never reveal his homosexuality in the 1960's era. If Adult Bobby isn't gay, then the past 0-5 aren't the same people as the future 0-5 after all and there goes a perfectly good attempt at adding more diversity to an established cast, or it's great news because not every fan likes the past 0-5 and any proof that the 2 aren't connected to the same timeline is music to their eyes.
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** Teen Bobby being told he's gay, and not bisexual, by Teen Jean. Some fans are happy that such a longstanding and powerful member of the X-Men is no longer straight, while other fans are less than impressed with the "revelation" of Teen Bobby secretly being homosexual. Beyond that is the issue of how this was revealed to Bobby, with some fans feeling that Teen Jean's actions in reading his mind without consent to find out were reprehensible and robbed Teen Bobby of the chance to discover it on his own while other fans don't mind the method because at this point they are well aware of how amoral Teen Jean is about her mind reading at and treat it as an establish character flaw of hers. Finally, fans are split on the matter of whether or not this means the present day Bobby is secretly gay, as all of the Teen O-5 are supposed to be from Universe 616 in the past. If this reveal means Adult Bobby is gay, then it's either the usual issue of Bendis not respecting continuity or it makes sense that Adult Bobby would never reveal his homosexuality in the 1960's era. If Adult Bobby isn't gay, then the past 0-5 aren't the same people as the future 0-5 after all and there goes a perfectly good attempt at adding more diversity to an established cast, or it's great news because not every fan likes the past 0-5 and any proof that the 2 aren't connected to the same timeline is music to their eyes.
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** Teen Bobby being told he's gay, and not bisexual, by Teen Jean. Some fans are happy that such a longstanding and powerful member of the X-Men is no longer straight, while other fans are less than impressed with the "revelation" of Teen Bobby secretly being homosexual. Beyond that is the issue of how this was revealed to Bobby, with some fans feeling that Teen Jean's actions in reading his mind without consent to find out where reprehensible and robbed Teen Bobby of the chance to discover it on his own while other fans don't mind the method because at this point they are well aware of how amoral Teen Jean is about her mind reading at treat it as an establish character flaw of hers. Finally, fans are split on the matter of whether or not this means the present day Bobby is secretly gay, as all of the Teen O-5 are supposed to be from Universe 616 in the past. If this reveal means Adult Bobby is gay, then it's either the usual issue of Bendis not respecting continuity or it makes sense that Adult Bobby would never reveal his homosexuality in the 1960's era. If Adult Bobby isn't gay, then the past 0-5 aren't the same people as the future 0-5 after all and there goes a perfectly good attempt at adding more diversity to an established cast, or it's great news because not every fan likes the past 0-5 and any proof that the 2 aren't connected to the same timeline is music to their eyes.
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** Teen Bobby being told he's gay, and not bisexual, by Teen Jean. Some fans are happy that such a longstanding and powerful member of the X-Men is no longer straight, while other fans are less than impressed with the "revelation" of Teen Bobby secretly being homosexual. Beyond that is the issue of how this was revealed to Bobby, with some fans feeling that Teen Jean's actions in reading his mind without consent to find out where were reprehensible and robbed Teen Bobby of the chance to discover it on his own while other fans don't mind the method because at this point they are well aware of how amoral Teen Jean is about her mind reading at treat it as an establish character flaw of hers. Finally, fans are split on the matter of whether or not this means the present day Bobby is secretly gay, as all of the Teen O-5 are supposed to be from Universe 616 in the past. If this reveal means Adult Bobby is gay, then it's either the usual issue of Bendis not respecting continuity or it makes sense that Adult Bobby would never reveal his homosexuality in the 1960's era. If Adult Bobby isn't gay, then the past 0-5 aren't the same people as the future 0-5 after all and there goes a perfectly good attempt at adding more diversity to an established cast, or it's great news because not every fan likes the past 0-5 and any proof that the 2 aren't connected to the same timeline is music to their eyes.
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** Teen Bobby being told he's gay by Teen Jean. Some fans are happy that such a longstanding and powerful member of the X-Men is no longer straight, while other fans are less than impressed with the "revelation" of Teen Bobby secretly being homosexual. Beyond that is the issue of how this was revealed to Bobby, with some fans feeling that Teen Jean's actions in reading his mind without consent to find out where reprehensible and robbed Teen Bobby of the chance to discover it on his own while other fans don't mind the method because at this point they are well aware of how amoral Teen Jean is about her mind reading at treat it as an establish character flaw of hers. Finally, fans are split on the matter of whether or not this means the present day Bobby is secretly gay, as all of the Teen O-5 are supposed to be from Universe 616 in the past. If this reveal means Adult Bobby is gay, then it's either the usual issue of Bendis not respecting continuity or it makes sense that Adult Bobby would never reveal his homosexuality in the 1960's era. If Adult Bobby isn't gay, then the past 0-5 aren't the same people as the future 0-5 after all and there goes a perfectly good attempt at adding more diversity to an established cast, or it's great news because not every fan likes the past 0-5 and any proof that the 2 aren't connected to the same timeline is music to their eyes.
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** Teen Bobby being told he's gay gay, and not bisexual, by Teen Jean. Some fans are happy that such a longstanding and powerful member of the X-Men is no longer straight, while other fans are less than impressed with the "revelation" of Teen Bobby secretly being homosexual. Beyond that is the issue of how this was revealed to Bobby, with some fans feeling that Teen Jean's actions in reading his mind without consent to find out where reprehensible and robbed Teen Bobby of the chance to discover it on his own while other fans don't mind the method because at this point they are well aware of how amoral Teen Jean is about her mind reading at treat it as an establish character flaw of hers. Finally, fans are split on the matter of whether or not this means the present day Bobby is secretly gay, as all of the Teen O-5 are supposed to be from Universe 616 in the past. If this reveal means Adult Bobby is gay, then it's either the usual issue of Bendis not respecting continuity or it makes sense that Adult Bobby would never reveal his homosexuality in the 1960's era. If Adult Bobby isn't gay, then the past 0-5 aren't the same people as the future 0-5 after all and there goes a perfectly good attempt at adding more diversity to an established cast, or it's great news because not every fan likes the past 0-5 and any proof that the 2 aren't connected to the same timeline is music to their eyes.
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** Teen Bobby being told he's gay by Teen Jean. Some fans are happy that such a longstanding and powerful member of the X-Men is no longer straight, while other fans are less than impressed with the "revelation" of Teen Bobby secretly being homosexual. Beyond that is the issue of how this was revealed to Bobby, with some fans feeling that Teen Jean's actions in reading his mind without consent to find out where reprehensible and robbed Teen Bobby of the chance to discover it on his own while other fans don't mind the method because at this point they are well aware of how amoral Teen Jean is about her mind reading at treat it as an establish character flaw of hers. Finally, fans are split on the matter of whether or not this means the present day Bobby is secretly gay, as all of the Teen O-5 are supposed to be from Universe 616 in the past. If this reveal means Adult Bobby is gay, then it's either the usual issue of Bendis not respecting continuity or it makes sense that Adult Bobby would never reveal his homosexuality in the 1960's era. If Adult Bobby isn't gay, then the past 0-5 aren't the same people as the future 0-5 after all and there goes a perfectly good attempt at adding more diversity to an established cast, or it's great news because not every fan likes the past 0-5 and any proof that the 2 aren't connected to the same timeline is music to their eyes.
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** The new costumes have fans divided with mixed opinions on it. Some feel that the old outfits were outdated and long due for a change, while others think they look bland and the colors are just off.
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** The new costumes have fans divided with mixed opinions on it. Some feel that the old outfits were outdated and long due for a change, while others think they look bland and the colors are just off.off (it's much less broken for X-23, with fans almost universally wishing she'd go back to her X-Force costume).
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* WTHCostumingDepartment: The new uniforms for the O5 X-Men have. Though, as mentioned above, this is hardly a unanimous opinion.
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: When X-23 arrives on the team, Jean notes that Scott finds her attractive, and over the next few issues they seem to bond to the point that Jean is ''visibly'' jealous. However whatever development they had together was subsequently derailed with Scott leaving to go into space with his father. While the cover of issue 20 proved highly divisive, many fans actually found them to be an interesting pairing, both due to the common ground between them,[[note]]both are victims of severe emotional and physical abuse in their childhoods, both struggle to connect with others emotionally, and because Scott is frequently and unfairly judged for things his adult self did, while Laura still struggles to be seen by others as more than a weapon and a killer with a side helping of CloningBlues[[/note]] and the idea of Scott Summers hooking up with the female clone of Wolverine hit ''several'' sources of FetishFuel all at once. Even opponents of the pairing agreed that a scene of Cyclops and Wolverine learning of Scott's younger self and Logan's "daughter" in a relationship was fertile ground for hilarity, and that a relationship between Laura and Teen!Scott would have been ''far'' better-established than her subsequent hookup with Warren.
* WhatCouldHaveBeen: Speculation abounds that Teen!Scott going into space was a late change of plans, and that the relationship that developed between Warren and Laura was actually meant for ''Scott'' and Laura, mainly because the latter pairing had substantial groundwork laid, while Warren just kind of came out of nowhere.
* WTHCostumingDepartment: The new uniforms for the O5 X-Men have. Though, as mentioned above, this is hardly a unanimousopinion.opinion (although it's more unanimously negative for X-23).
* WhatCouldHaveBeen: Speculation abounds that Teen!Scott going into space was a late change of plans, and that the relationship that developed between Warren and Laura was actually meant for ''Scott'' and Laura, mainly because the latter pairing had substantial groundwork laid, while Warren just kind of came out of nowhere.
* WTHCostumingDepartment: The new uniforms for the O5 X-Men have. Though, as mentioned above, this is hardly a unanimous
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** A fan placed the time of Present!Hanks trip to the past around the point where the X-Men had just escaped an anti-mutant mob attacking them and Past!Hank was about to RageQuit. Past!Hank then gets lied to by his future counterpart, manipulated to come to the future, learns all the tragedy that happened including the Professor's death, sees that he's become the kind of person willing to [[Comicbook/NewAvengers destroy billions of lives]], gets transported to the [[CrapsackWorld Ultimate Universe]] and gets captured and drugged by Ultimate Doctor Doom to become his [[TruthSerum truthful]] slave. [[TraumaCongaLine All this]] and during the journey he realizes he's in love with Jean, [[{{Telepathy}} and she knows it]], but she doesn't reciprocate.
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** A fan placed the time of Present!Hanks Present!Hank's trip to the past around the point where the X-Men had just escaped an anti-mutant mob attacking them and Past!Hank was about to RageQuit. Past!Hank then gets lied to by his future counterpart, manipulated to come to the future, learns all the tragedy that happened including the Professor's death, sees that he's become the kind of person willing to [[Comicbook/NewAvengers destroy billions of lives]], gets transported to the [[CrapsackWorld Ultimate Universe]] and gets captured and drugged by Ultimate Doctor Doom to become his [[TruthSerum truthful]] slave. [[TraumaCongaLine All this]] and during the journey he realizes he's in love with Jean, [[{{Telepathy}} and she knows it]], but she doesn't reciprocate.
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** A fan placed the time of Present!Hanks trip to the past around the point where the X-Men had just escaped an anti-mutant mob attacking them and Past!Hank was about to RageQuit. Past!Hank then gets lied to by his future counterpart, manipulated to come to the future, learns all the tragedy that happened including the Professor's death, sees that he's become the kind of person willing to [[Comicbook/NewAvengers destroy billions of lives]], gets transported to the [[CrapsackWorld Ultimate Universe]] and gets captured and drugged by Ultimate Doctor Doom to become his [[TruthSerum truthful]] slave. All this and during the journey he realizes he's in love with Jean, [[{{Telepathy}} and she knows it]], but she doesn't reciprocate.
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** A fan placed the time of Present!Hanks trip to the past around the point where the X-Men had just escaped an anti-mutant mob attacking them and Past!Hank was about to RageQuit. Past!Hank then gets lied to by his future counterpart, manipulated to come to the future, learns all the tragedy that happened including the Professor's death, sees that he's become the kind of person willing to [[Comicbook/NewAvengers destroy billions of lives]], gets transported to the [[CrapsackWorld Ultimate Universe]] and gets captured and drugged by Ultimate Doctor Doom to become his [[TruthSerum truthful]] slave. [[TraumaCongaLine All this this]] and during the journey he realizes he's in love with Jean, [[{{Telepathy}} and she knows it]], but she doesn't reciprocate.
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** A fan placed the time of Present!Hanks trip to the past around the point where the X-Men had just escaped an anti-mutant mob attacking them and Past!Hank was about to RageQuit. Past!Hank then gets lied to by his future counterpart, manipulated to come to the future, learns all the tragedy that happened including the Professor's death, sees that he's become the kind of person willing to [[Comicbook/NewAvengers destroy billions of lives]], gets transported to the [[CrapsackWorld Ultimate Universe]] and gets captured and drugged by Ultimate Doctor Doom to become his [[TruthSerum truthful]] slave. All this and during the journey he realizes he's in love with Jean, [[Telepathy and she knows it]], but she doesn't reciprocate.
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** A fan placed the time of Present!Hanks trip to the past around the point where the X-Men had just escaped an anti-mutant mob attacking them and Past!Hank was about to RageQuit. Past!Hank then gets lied to by his future counterpart, manipulated to come to the future, learns all the tragedy that happened including the Professor's death, sees that he's become the kind of person willing to [[Comicbook/NewAvengers destroy billions of lives]], gets transported to the [[CrapsackWorld Ultimate Universe]] and gets captured and drugged by Ultimate Doctor Doom to become his [[TruthSerum truthful]] slave. All this and during the journey he realizes he's in love with Jean, [[Telepathy [[{{Telepathy}} and she knows it]], but she doesn't reciprocate.
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** A fan placed the time of Present!Hanks trip to the past around the point where the X-Men had just escaped an anti-mutant mob attacking them and Past!Hank was about to RageQuit. Past!Hank then gets lied to by his future counterpart, manipulated to come to the future, learns all the tragedy that happened including the Professor's death, sees that he's become the kind of person willing to [[Comicbook/NewAvengers destroy billions of lives]], gets transported to the [[CrapsackWorld Ultimate Universe]] and gets captured and drugged by Ultimate Doctor Doom to become his [[TruthSerum truthful]] slave. All this and during the journey he realizes he's in love with Jean, [[Telepathy and she knows it]], but she doesn't reciprocate.
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* AuthorsSavingThrow: Bendis' handling of Laura. For a while after she appeared, her "voice" was widly off puttign to anyone who had read the character previously, as she's known for not using contractions and speaking in a very blunt way. In this series, she talks with the typical 'Bendis voice', which generally sounds very much like how teenagers talk. Fans weren't pleased with this, even after Bendis said that apparently Laura's experiences in ''Avengers Arena'' had changed her, so he decided to change her dialogue back to the way it used to be, albeit with more room for contractions.
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** For that matter, Bendis's handling of Laura in general has proven quite divisive. Her voice[[note]]Bendis's writing of Laura is much more gabby, quippy and filled with slang (or in short, the "Bendis voice") than the laconic and formal manner of speaking readers are most familiar with[[/note]], the ship teasing with Teen!Scott and Teen!Warren (''especially'' by [[ShipToShipCombat Helix fans]]), and even the purpose her simple presence serves (to the point characters lampshade not realizing she's even there) have all been a matter of heated debate.
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** For that matter, Bendis's handling of Laura in general has proven quite divisive. Her voice[[note]]Bendis's writing of Laura is much more gabby, quippy and filled with slang (or in short, the "Bendis voice") than the laconic and formal manner of speaking readers are most familiar with[[/note]], the ship teasing with Teen!Scott and Teen!Warren (''especially'' by [[ShipToShipCombat Helix fans]]), and even the purpose her simple presence serves (to the point characters lampshade not realizing she's even there) have all been a matter of heated debate. Some fans of the character agree that Bendis's characterization has steadily improved the longer he's written her, though others still want to see her out of the book just so a writer who can better handle her personality can work with her instead. Still others accept the implied attraction between her and Tyke because of their similar backgrounds and histories of abuse, while vehemently opposing the shift to Warren later on.
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* HarsherInHindsight: Beast talking about the necessity of bringing the O5 into the present. This is because, in ''New Avengers'', Beast knowing full well that the world is about to end, visits his younger self and confesses to him about having destroyed two worlds, basically asking if he could've done anything different. Young Beast simply asks, if he knew the world was going to end, why in the hell would he rob Young Beast of the life he could've led? It's a legitimate question.
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* AssPull: So everyone from the Future Brotherhood except for Raze is now suddenly innocent and just mind-controlled by Kid-Xavier? Even Xorna-Jean? Eh. Hell, in the last issue of the ''Battle of the Atom'' crossover, we clearly see that Xorn was trying to calm Xornita down when she went psycho.
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* AssPull: So everyone from the Future Brotherhood except for Raze is now suddenly innocent and just mind-controlled by Kid-Xavier? Even Xorna-Jean? Eh. Hell, in the last issue of the ''Battle of the Atom'' crossover, we clearly see that Xorn Xavier was trying to calm Xornita down when she went psycho.
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* StrangledByTheRedString: Bendis seems to care about the Kitty Pryde/Star-Lord relationship a ''lot'' more than readers do. It doesn't help that the foundation of the entire relationship is the joke that Kitty often dates guys named Peter... which doesn't even make sense if you spend more than a second thinking about it, since ''Ultimate'' Kitty Pryde was the one who dated Peter Parker (in ''Ultimate Spider-Man'', which Bendis himself writes, so another case of him doing whatever he wants just because he likes it), and Colossus' name is actually Piotr, and Peter is just the anglicised version. So really, she dated one guy who is ''sort-of'' named Peter, and that's the basis of her dating Star-Lord. Really, it seems more like this relationship only exists because Bendis happens to be writing ''ComicBook/GuardiansOfTheGalaxy''.
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* StrangledByTheRedString: Bendis seems to care about the Kitty Pryde/Star-Lord relationship a ''lot'' more than readers do. It doesn't help that the foundation of the entire relationship is the joke that Kitty often dates guys named Peter... which doesn't even make sense if you spend more than a second thinking about it, since ''Ultimate'' Kitty Pryde was the one who dated Peter Parker (in ''Ultimate Spider-Man'', which Bendis himself writes, so another case of him doing whatever he wants just because he likes it), and Colossus' name is actually Piotr, and Peter is just the anglicised version. So really, She did date a guy called Pete Wisdom, but that was never that big a thing. So, she dated one guy named Peter and one who is ''sort-of'' named Peter, and that's the basis of her dating Star-Lord. Really, it seems more like this relationship only exists because Bendis happens to be writing ''ComicBook/GuardiansOfTheGalaxy''.
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*** The cover of #30 with X-23 and Warren kissing in mid-air isn't exactly doing so hot either.
*** For that matter, Bendis's handling of Laura in general has proven quite divisive. Her voice[[note]]Bendis's writing of Laura is much more gabby, quippy and filled with slang (or in short, the "Bendis voice") than the laconic and formal manner of speaking readers are most familiar with[[/note]], the ship teasing with Teen!Scott and Teen!Warren (''especially'' by [[ShipToShipCombat Helix fans]]), and even the purpose her simple presence serves (to the point characters lampshade not realizing she's even there) have all been a matter of heated debate.
*** For that matter, Bendis's handling of Laura in general has proven quite divisive. Her voice[[note]]Bendis's writing of Laura is much more gabby, quippy and filled with slang (or in short, the "Bendis voice") than the laconic and formal manner of speaking readers are most familiar with[[/note]], the ship teasing with Teen!Scott and Teen!Warren (''especially'' by [[ShipToShipCombat Helix fans]]), and even the purpose her simple presence serves (to the point characters lampshade not realizing she's even there) have all been a matter of heated debate.
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*** The cover of #30 with X-23 and Warren kissing in mid-air isn't exactly doing so hot either.
***either. Now that they're become an actual couple, people are generally more clear on their dislike of the relationship, since the two barely interacted at all before.
** For that matter, Bendis's handling of Laura in general has proven quite divisive. Her voice[[note]]Bendis's writing of Laura is much more gabby, quippy and filled with slang (or in short, the "Bendis voice") than the laconic and formal manner of speaking readers are most familiar with[[/note]], the ship teasing with Teen!Scott and Teen!Warren (''especially'' by [[ShipToShipCombat Helix fans]]), and even the purpose her simple presence serves (to the point characters lampshade not realizing she's even there) have all been a matter of heated debate.
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** For that matter, Bendis's handling of Laura in general has proven quite divisive. Her voice[[note]]Bendis's writing of Laura is much more gabby, quippy and filled with slang (or in short, the "Bendis voice") than the laconic and formal manner of speaking readers are most familiar with[[/note]], the ship teasing with Teen!Scott and Teen!Warren (''especially'' by [[ShipToShipCombat Helix fans]]), and even the purpose her simple presence serves (to the point characters lampshade not realizing she's even there) have all been a matter of heated debate.
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** Miles Morales appearing in the series, and the team venturing into the Ultimate Universe. While the crossovers with the Ultimate Universe are now a frequnt enough thing that people have somewhat accepted them, Bendis using a character that he writes that has little to no connection to the X-Men has divided readers ''again''. Some are interested in how the O5 will react to a world where mutants saved the world, while others feel this is just another case of Bendis writing whatever he wants with characters he just likes (in this case, an entire universe he helped create). Then there are those who just don't care about the Ultimate Universe at all and would rather not be exposed to it.
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** Miles Morales appearing in the series, and the team venturing into the Ultimate Universe. While the crossovers with the Ultimate Universe are now a frequnt frequent enough thing that people have somewhat accepted them, Bendis using a character that he writes that has little to no connection to the X-Men has divided readers ''again''. Some are interested in how the O5 will react to a world where mutants saved the world, while others feel this is just another case of Bendis writing whatever he wants with characters he just likes (in this case, an entire universe he helped create). Then there are those who just don't care about the Ultimate Universe at all and would rather not be exposed to it.
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** Similar to ''Schism'', the X-Men led by Cyclops are constantly being demonized by most of the X-Men led by Wolverine because they...wanted to protect mutants. They didn't want to war with humans, they didn't want to force people to side with them, they didn't even threaten anyone. Literally every thing they're doing that is 'wrong' are things that the X-Men have done ''for years'', with all the people shunning them have done these actions personally in the past. The companion book, ''ComicBook/UncannyXMen'' doesn't have this issue as it's from Cyclops' perspective.
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** Similar to ''Schism'', the X-Men led by Cyclops are constantly being demonized by most of the X-Men led by Wolverine because they... wanted to protect mutants. They didn't want to war with humans, they didn't want to force people to side with them, they didn't even threaten anyone. Literally every thing they're doing that is 'wrong' are things that the X-Men have done ''for years'', with all the people shunning them have done these actions personally in the past. The companion book, ''ComicBook/UncannyXMen'' doesn't have this issue as it's from Cyclops' perspective.
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* JustHereForGodzilla: Due to her various JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope antics, The Teenaged Jean Grey has become the only reason even some Bendis haters are reading this comic.
* StrangledByTheRedString: Bendis seems to care about the Kitty Pryde/Star-Lord relationship a ''lot'' more than readers do. It doesn't help that the foundation of the entire relationship is the joke that Kitty often dates guys named Peter... which doesn't even make sense if you spend more than a second thinking about it, since ''Ultimate'' Kitty Pryde was the one who dated Peter Parker (in ''Ultimate Spider-Man'', which Bendis himself writes, so another case of him doing whatever he wants just because he likes it), and Colossus' name is actually Piotr, and Peter is just the anglicised version. So really, she dated one Peter, and that's not even his real name, and that's the basis of her dating Star-Lord. Really, it seems more like this relationship only exists because Bendis happens to be writing the Guardians of the Galaxy's ongoing.
* StrangledByTheRedString: Bendis seems to care about the Kitty Pryde/Star-Lord relationship a ''lot'' more than readers do. It doesn't help that the foundation of the entire relationship is the joke that Kitty often dates guys named Peter... which doesn't even make sense if you spend more than a second thinking about it, since ''Ultimate'' Kitty Pryde was the one who dated Peter Parker (in ''Ultimate Spider-Man'', which Bendis himself writes, so another case of him doing whatever he wants just because he likes it), and Colossus' name is actually Piotr, and Peter is just the anglicised version. So really, she dated one Peter, and that's not even his real name, and that's the basis of her dating Star-Lord. Really, it seems more like this relationship only exists because Bendis happens to be writing the Guardians of the Galaxy's ongoing.
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* JustHereForGodzilla: Due to her various JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope antics, The the Teenaged Jean Grey has become the only reason even some Bendis haters are reading this comic.
* StrangledByTheRedString: Bendis seems to care about the Kitty Pryde/Star-Lord relationship a ''lot'' more than readers do. It doesn't help that the foundation of the entire relationship is the joke that Kitty often dates guys named Peter... which doesn't even make sense if you spend more than a second thinking about it, since ''Ultimate'' Kitty Pryde was the one who dated Peter Parker (in ''Ultimate Spider-Man'', which Bendis himself writes, so another case of him doing whatever he wants just because he likes it), and Colossus' name is actually Piotr, and Peter is just the anglicised version. So really, she dated one guy who is ''sort-of'' named Peter,and that's not even his real name, and that's the basis of her dating Star-Lord. Really, it seems more like this relationship only exists because Bendis happens to be writing the Guardians of the Galaxy's ongoing.''ComicBook/GuardiansOfTheGalaxy''.
* StrangledByTheRedString: Bendis seems to care about the Kitty Pryde/Star-Lord relationship a ''lot'' more than readers do. It doesn't help that the foundation of the entire relationship is the joke that Kitty often dates guys named Peter... which doesn't even make sense if you spend more than a second thinking about it, since ''Ultimate'' Kitty Pryde was the one who dated Peter Parker (in ''Ultimate Spider-Man'', which Bendis himself writes, so another case of him doing whatever he wants just because he likes it), and Colossus' name is actually Piotr, and Peter is just the anglicised version. So really, she dated one guy who is ''sort-of'' named Peter,
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* AssPull: So everyone from the Future Brotherhood except for Raze is now suddenly innocent and just mind-controlled by Kid-Xavier? Even Xorna-Jean? Eh.
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* AssPull: So everyone from the Future Brotherhood except for Raze is now suddenly innocent and just mind-controlled by Kid-Xavier? Even Xorna-Jean? Eh. Hell, in the last issue of the ''Battle of the Atom'' crossover, we clearly see that Xorn was trying to calm Xornita down when she went psycho.
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** Miles Morales appearing in the series, and the team venturing into the Ultimate Universe. While the crossovers with the Ultimate Universe are now a frequnt enough thing that people have somewhat accepted them, Bendis using a character that he writes that has little to no connection to the X-Men has divided readers ''again''. Some are interested in how the O5 will react to a world where mutants saved the world, while others feel this is just another case of Bendis writing whatever he wants with characters (in this case, an entire universe he helped create) he just likes. Then there are those who just don't care about the Ultimate Universe at all and would rather not be exposed to it.
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** Miles Morales appearing in the series, and the team venturing into the Ultimate Universe. While the crossovers with the Ultimate Universe are now a frequnt enough thing that people have somewhat accepted them, Bendis using a character that he writes that has little to no connection to the X-Men has divided readers ''again''. Some are interested in how the O5 will react to a world where mutants saved the world, while others feel this is just another case of Bendis writing whatever he wants with characters he just likes (in this case, an entire universe he helped create) he just likes.create). Then there are those who just don't care about the Ultimate Universe at all and would rather not be exposed to it.
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* StrangledByTheRedString: Bendis seems to care about the Kitty/Star-Lord relationship a ''lot'' more than readers do. It doesn't help that the foundation of the entire relationship is the joke that Kitty often dates guys named Peter... which doesn't even make sense, since Ultimate Kitty dated Peter Parker, and Colossus' name is actually Piotr...
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* StrangledByTheRedString: Bendis seems to care about the Kitty/Star-Lord Kitty Pryde/Star-Lord relationship a ''lot'' more than readers do. It doesn't help that the foundation of the entire relationship is the joke that Kitty often dates guys named Peter... which doesn't even make sense, sense if you spend more than a second thinking about it, since Ultimate ''Ultimate'' Kitty Pryde was the one who dated Peter Parker, Parker (in ''Ultimate Spider-Man'', which Bendis himself writes, so another case of him doing whatever he wants just because he likes it), and Colossus' name is actually Piotr...Piotr, and Peter is just the anglicised version. So really, she dated one Peter, and that's not even his real name, and that's the basis of her dating Star-Lord. Really, it seems more like this relationship only exists because Bendis happens to be writing the Guardians of the Galaxy's ongoing.
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** X-23 and Angel as well. While the buildup between Laura and Scott was handled subtly and rather sweetly, with Scott providing her a comforting shoulder in the aftermath of ''Arena'', (as well as the bonus of Rule 34 trolling for Cyclops and Wolverine), the events of issue 30, with Laura on a wild date [[DidTheyOrDidntThey possibly ending with them sleeping together]] received almost no prior build-up at all, with Laura and Warren barely interacting up until then.
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** Miles Morales appearing in the series, and the team venturing into the Ultimate Universe. While the crossovers with the Ultimate Universe are now a frequnt enough thing that people have somewhat accepted them, Bendis using a character that he writes that has little to no connection to the X-Men has divided readers ''again''. Some are interested in how the O5 will react to a world where mutants saved the world, while others feel this is just another case of Bendis writing whatever he wants with characters (in this case, an entire universe he helped create) he just likes. Then there are those who just don't care about the Ultimate Universe at all and would rather not be exposed to it.
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*** For that matter, Bendis's handling of Laura in general has proven quite divisive. Her voice[[note]]Bendis's writing of Laura is much more gabby, quippy and filled with slang than the laconic and formal manner of speaking readers are most familiar with[[/note]], the ship teasing with Teen!Scott and Teen!Warren (''especially'' by [[ShipToShipCombat Helix fans]]), and even the purpose her simple presence serves (to the point characters lampshade not realizing she's even there) have all been a matter of heated debate.
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*** For that matter, Bendis's handling of Laura in general has proven quite divisive. Her voice[[note]]Bendis's writing of Laura is much more gabby, quippy and filled with slang (or in short, the "Bendis voice") than the laconic and formal manner of speaking readers are most familiar with[[/note]], the ship teasing with Teen!Scott and Teen!Warren (''especially'' by [[ShipToShipCombat Helix fans]]), and even the purpose her simple presence serves (to the point characters lampshade not realizing she's even there) have all been a matter of heated debate.
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* StrangledByTheRedString: Bendis seems to care about the Kitty/Star-Lord relationship a ''lot'' more than readers do.
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* StrangledByTheRedString: Bendis seems to care about the Kitty/Star-Lord relationship a ''lot'' more than readers do. It doesn't help that the foundation of the entire relationship is the joke that Kitty often dates guys named Peter... which doesn't even make sense, since Ultimate Kitty dated Peter Parker, and Colossus' name is actually Piotr...
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** Jean Grey. While most people find her interesting to read, how much they actually ''like'' her varies, due to her ''very'' abusive use of her powers and her manipulation of Teen Cyclops.
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** Jean Grey. While most people find her interesting to read, how much they actually ''like'' her varies, due to her ''very'' abusive use of her powers and her manipulation of her teammates, especially of Teen Cyclops.
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** Cyclops leaving at the end of Trial of Jean Grey,]] and whether it should have happened then or closer to his ongoing. Some people think that it shows just how happy he was to not be an orphan anymore, some people are glad that Beast and Iceman can stop being background characters, some people wish he could get more screentime with his older self or X-23, and still some people think Jean's just going to descend further down the slippery slope with no foil to keep the book sympathetic. Then there's the fans who think a month is too long to wait for his next appearance.
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** Cyclops leaving at the end of Trial "Trial of Jean Grey,]] Grey," and whether it should have happened then or closer to his ongoing. [[{{Comicbook/Cyclops2014}} ongoing]]. Some people think that it shows just how happy he was to not be an orphan anymore, some people are glad that Beast and Iceman can stop being background characters, some people wish he could get more screentime screen time with his older self or X-23, and still some people think Jean's just going to descend further down the slippery slope with no foil to keep anyone in the book sympathetic. Then there's the fans who think thought a month is was too long to wait for his next appearance.
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*** For that matter, Bendis's handling of Laura in general has proven quite divisive. Her voice[[note]]Bendis's writing of Laura is much more gabby, quippy and slang-slinging than the laconic and formal manner of speaking readers are most familiar with[[/note]], the ship teasing with Teen!Scott and Teen!Warren (''especially'' by [[ShipToShipCombat Helix fans]]), and even the purpose her simple presence serves (to the point characters lampshade not realizing she's even there) have all been a matter of heated debate.
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*** For that matter, Bendis's handling of Laura in general has proven quite divisive. Her voice[[note]]Bendis's writing of Laura is much more gabby, quippy and slang-slinging filled with slang than the laconic and formal manner of speaking readers are most familiar with[[/note]], the ship teasing with Teen!Scott and Teen!Warren (''especially'' by [[ShipToShipCombat Helix fans]]), and even the purpose her simple presence serves (to the point characters lampshade not realizing she's even there) have all been a matter of heated debate.
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** The cover of #30 with X-23 and Warren kissing in mid-air isn't exactly doing so hot either.]]
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*** For that matter, Bendis's handling of Laura in general has proven quite divisive. Her voice[[note]]Bendis's writing of Laura is much more gabby, quippy and slang-slinging than the laconic and formal manner of speaking readers are most familiar with[[/note]], the ship teasing with Teen!Scott and Teen!Warren (''especially'' by [[ShipToShipCombat Helix fans]]), and even the purpose her simple presence serves (to the point characters lampshade not realizing she's even there) have all been a matter of heated debate.
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* StrangledByTheRedString: Bendis seems to care about the Kitty/Star-Lord relationship a ''lot'' more than readers do.
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* AssPull: So everyone from the Future Brotherhood except for Raze is now suddenly innocent and just mind-controlled by Kid-Xavier? Even Xorna-Jean? Eh.
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** Similar to ''Schism'', the X-Men led by Cyclops are constantly being demonized by most of the X-Men led by Wolverine because they...wanted to protect mutants. They didn't want to war with humans, they didn't want to force people to side with them, they didn't even threaten anyone. Literally every thing they're doing that is 'wrong' are things that the X-Men have done ''for years'', with all the people shunning them have done these actions personally in the past. The companion book, ''Comicbook/{{Uncanny X-Men}}'' doesn't have this issue as it's from Cyclops' perspective.
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** Similar to ''Schism'', the X-Men led by Cyclops are constantly being demonized by most of the X-Men led by Wolverine because they...wanted to protect mutants. They didn't want to war with humans, they didn't want to force people to side with them, they didn't even threaten anyone. Literally every thing they're doing that is 'wrong' are things that the X-Men have done ''for years'', with all the people shunning them have done these actions personally in the past. The companion book, ''Comicbook/{{Uncanny X-Men}}'' ''ComicBook/UncannyXMen'' doesn't have this issue as it's from Cyclops' perspective.
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* BaseBreaker:
** Jean Grey. While most people find her interesting to read, how much they actually ''like'' her varies, due to her ''very'' abusive use of her powers and her manipulation of Teen Cyclops.
** Beast's new mutation. The base is split between those who liked/grown attached to his cat form, and those who hate the fact that he now looks like Bigfoot, and there's already a genius one in Marvel Continuity. Not helping is the rumors that Bendis changed it because he was the only one on staff who didn't like Cat Beast.
* BrokenBase:
** The new costumes have fans divided with mixed opinions on it. Some feel that the old outfits were outdated and long due for a change, while others think they look bland and the colors are just off.
** The concept of the book in general is one.
** The cover of #20, and just the general suggestion that Teen!Cyke and X-23 might get together is highly divisive. Some fans think it's just another unnecessary wedge between Scott and Jean. Some think Scott has the right to play the field considering Jean rejected him and has been doing the same with Teen!Hank. Many X-23 fans don't think the pairing suits Laura at all. And still others are just getting a ''tremendous'' kick out of the {{subtext}} of Cyclops being [[HoYay attracted to]] the OppositeSexClone of Wolverine.
** The cover of #30 with X-23 and Warren kissing in mid-air isn't exactly doing so hot either.]]
** Cyclops leaving at the end of Trial of Jean Grey,]] and whether it should have happened then or closer to his ongoing. Some people think that it shows just how happy he was to not be an orphan anymore, some people are glad that Beast and Iceman can stop being background characters, some people wish he could get more screentime with his older self or X-23, and still some people think Jean's just going to descend further down the slippery slope with no foil to keep the book sympathetic. Then there's the fans who think a month is too long to wait for his next appearance.
* HoYay: The teenaged Scott has fallen for a genetic clone of Wolverine. The implications there have not gone unnoticed.
* InformedWrongness:
** Similar to ''Schism'', the X-Men led by Cyclops are constantly being demonized by most of the X-Men led by Wolverine because they...wanted to protect mutants. They didn't want to war with humans, they didn't want to force people to side with them, they didn't even threaten anyone. Literally every thing they're doing that is 'wrong' are things that the X-Men have done ''for years'', with all the people shunning them have done these actions personally in the past. The companion book, ''Comicbook/{{Uncanny X-Men}}'' doesn't have this issue as it's from Cyclops' perspective.
** In Comicbook/XMenBattleOfTheAtom #1, after Cyclops's X-Men's BigDamnHeroes moment, they seem to get along well with Kitty and the O5 with the latter appreciating the rescue. Leading more than one fan to suggest that the conflicts between the two teams come from Wolverine and Beast. And, since after the event sees [[spoiler: Kitty and the O5 dumping Logan's side and switching to Scott's]] makes it clear that we're no longer supposed to disagree with Cyclops or his methods, rather the characters in-universe were villainizing him.
* JustHereForGodzilla: Due to her various JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope antics, The Teenaged Jean Grey has become the only reason even some Bendis haters are reading this comic.
* TakeThatScrappy: Beast, who has been written as a complete and utter self-righteous asshole during the last years, received a whole ''issue'' of TheReasonYouSuckSpeech from [[AllPowerfulBystander the Watcher.]]
* WTHCostumingDepartment: The new uniforms for the O5 X-Men have. Though, as mentioned above, this is hardly a unanimous opinion.
* TheWoobie:
** Teen Cyclops is turning into this via the guilt by association treatment. It seems that Mystique is trying to turn him into a WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds.
** Angel also applies, while Jean's securely a JerkAssWoobie, while Hank and Bobby are generally pushed to the side.
** When X-23 later joins the cast, she brings her own woobieness along with her, amped up even further by her experiences on [[ComicBook/AvengersArena Murderworld]].
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** Jean Grey. While most people find her interesting to read, how much they actually ''like'' her varies, due to her ''very'' abusive use of her powers and her manipulation of Teen Cyclops.
** Beast's new mutation. The base is split between those who liked/grown attached to his cat form, and those who hate the fact that he now looks like Bigfoot, and there's already a genius one in Marvel Continuity. Not helping is the rumors that Bendis changed it because he was the only one on staff who didn't like Cat Beast.
* BrokenBase:
** The new costumes have fans divided with mixed opinions on it. Some feel that the old outfits were outdated and long due for a change, while others think they look bland and the colors are just off.
** The concept of the book in general is one.
** The cover of #20, and just the general suggestion that Teen!Cyke and X-23 might get together is highly divisive. Some fans think it's just another unnecessary wedge between Scott and Jean. Some think Scott has the right to play the field considering Jean rejected him and has been doing the same with Teen!Hank. Many X-23 fans don't think the pairing suits Laura at all. And still others are just getting a ''tremendous'' kick out of the {{subtext}} of Cyclops being [[HoYay attracted to]] the OppositeSexClone of Wolverine.
** The cover of #30 with X-23 and Warren kissing in mid-air isn't exactly doing so hot either.]]
** Cyclops leaving at the end of Trial of Jean Grey,]] and whether it should have happened then or closer to his ongoing. Some people think that it shows just how happy he was to not be an orphan anymore, some people are glad that Beast and Iceman can stop being background characters, some people wish he could get more screentime with his older self or X-23, and still some people think Jean's just going to descend further down the slippery slope with no foil to keep the book sympathetic. Then there's the fans who think a month is too long to wait for his next appearance.
* HoYay: The teenaged Scott has fallen for a genetic clone of Wolverine. The implications there have not gone unnoticed.
* InformedWrongness:
** Similar to ''Schism'', the X-Men led by Cyclops are constantly being demonized by most of the X-Men led by Wolverine because they...wanted to protect mutants. They didn't want to war with humans, they didn't want to force people to side with them, they didn't even threaten anyone. Literally every thing they're doing that is 'wrong' are things that the X-Men have done ''for years'', with all the people shunning them have done these actions personally in the past. The companion book, ''Comicbook/{{Uncanny X-Men}}'' doesn't have this issue as it's from Cyclops' perspective.
** In Comicbook/XMenBattleOfTheAtom #1, after Cyclops's X-Men's BigDamnHeroes moment, they seem to get along well with Kitty and the O5 with the latter appreciating the rescue. Leading more than one fan to suggest that the conflicts between the two teams come from Wolverine and Beast. And, since after the event sees [[spoiler: Kitty and the O5 dumping Logan's side and switching to Scott's]] makes it clear that we're no longer supposed to disagree with Cyclops or his methods, rather the characters in-universe were villainizing him.
* JustHereForGodzilla: Due to her various JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope antics, The Teenaged Jean Grey has become the only reason even some Bendis haters are reading this comic.
* TakeThatScrappy: Beast, who has been written as a complete and utter self-righteous asshole during the last years, received a whole ''issue'' of TheReasonYouSuckSpeech from [[AllPowerfulBystander the Watcher.]]
* WTHCostumingDepartment: The new uniforms for the O5 X-Men have. Though, as mentioned above, this is hardly a unanimous opinion.
* TheWoobie:
** Teen Cyclops is turning into this via the guilt by association treatment. It seems that Mystique is trying to turn him into a WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds.
** Angel also applies, while Jean's securely a JerkAssWoobie, while Hank and Bobby are generally pushed to the side.
** When X-23 later joins the cast, she brings her own woobieness along with her, amped up even further by her experiences on [[ComicBook/AvengersArena Murderworld]].
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