History YMMV / AlienVsPredator

10th Jan '17 9:12:29 AM firejewel
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* TearJerker:
** The death of Charles Weyland in the first movie.
2nd Jan '17 1:28:13 AM SeptimusHeap
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* FreudWasRight: Giger's rather suggestive Alien designs are in full swing. ''[[Franchise/{{Alien}} Dickheads]]'' vs. ''[[Franchise/{{Predator}} Pussyfaces]]'', anyone?
11th Dec '16 10:08:05 PM WickedIcon
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* GatewaySeries: With all its flaws, the first film introduced both the ''Alien'' and ''Predator'' franchises to the generation born in TheNineties, most of them young people who only knew them as obscure horror franchises from another era of cinema. It can be said that, if the two fandoms's received any new blood through the 2000s (and thus, a huge part of the expectation for ''Film/{{Prometheus}}'' and ''Film/{{Predators}}''), it is actually thanks to this saga and its spin-offs.

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* GatewaySeries: With all its flaws, the first film introduced both the ''Alien'' and ''Predator'' franchises to the generation born in TheNineties, most of them young people who only knew them as obscure horror franchises from another era of cinema. It can be said that, if the two fandoms's received any new blood through the 2000s (and thus, a huge part of the expectation for ''Film/{{Prometheus}}'' and ''Film/{{Predators}}''), it is actually thanks to this saga and its spin-offs.
5th Nov '16 9:55:28 AM Cieloazul
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* CriticalBacklash: There are actually many people who feel the first movie, while nothing to write home about, still is at least fairly okay and doesn't really deserves the hatred it gets ([[WebVideo/TheNostalgiaCritic Doug Walker]] notably briefly referenced it in his Shining Mini-Series review as "decent"). The ''second'' one, on the other hand, is almost universally despised.
* CriticalDissonance: Internet Movie Database gives the first film a healthy 5,6/10, more than twice of Website/RottenTomatoes's 21%, and most reviews are quite positive about that, thought not a great film, it gets most of what it attempts.

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* CriticalBacklash: There are actually many people who feel the first movie, while nothing to write home about, still is at 'at least fairly okay and in any case doesn't really deserves deserve the hatred it gets ([[WebVideo/TheNostalgiaCritic Doug Walker]] notably briefly referenced it in his Shining Mini-Series review as "decent"). The ''second'' one, on the other hand, is almost universally despised.
* CriticalDissonance: Internet Movie Database gives the first film a healthy 5,6/10, more than twice of Website/RottenTomatoes's 21%, and most reviews are quite positive about in that, thought not a great film, it gets most of what it attempts.



** Wolf (The Predator in the second movie) is well liked thanks to his array of gadgets and mask, to the point many are disappointed the film didn't entirely focus on him.

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** Wolf (The (the Predator in the second movie) is well liked thanks to his array of gadgets and mask, to the point many are disappointed the film didn't entirely focus on him.



* FranchiseKiller: ''Requiem''. Its bad critical reception and even worse fan reception together made sure that, if there was any hope of continuing the saga after the potentially interesting points opened by the first move, it got lost like tears in rain. Even although ''Film/{{Predators}}'' revived significantly the interest of the crowd towards the Yautja and even made a nod to ''[=AvP=]'', it's quite improbable we will get to see Aliens against Predators on screen again.

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* FranchiseKiller: ''Requiem''. Its bad critical reception and even worse fan reception together made sure that, if there was any hope of continuing the saga after the potentially interesting points opened by the first move, it got lost like tears in rain. Even although ''Film/{{Predators}}'' revived significantly the interest of the crowd towards the Yautja and even made a nod to ''[=AvP=]'', it's quite improbable we will get to see Aliens against and Predators together on screen again.



* JustHereForGodzilla: A lot of people who dislike the films tend to admit that the fights between Aliens and Predators in the 2004 movie were pretty damn cool, and they often watch the film specifically in order to see those creatures trashing around each other.
* LoveItOrHateIt: While the first film is somewhat well-liked nowadays being merely considered mediocre at worst with fans deriding the lore breaking content (sped up life-cycle for example) the second is still mostly hated, with few fans liking the movie which was even more lore breaking than the first film, adding a competely new life-cycle that was unnecessary.

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* JustHereForGodzilla: A lot of people who dislike the films tend to admit that the fights between Aliens and Predators in the 2004 movie were pretty damn cool, and they often watch the film specifically in order to see those creatures trashing around each other.
other around.
* LoveItOrHateIt: While the first film is somewhat well-liked nowadays nowadays, being merely considered mediocre at worst with fans deriding mostly just the lore breaking content (sped up life-cycle life-cycle, for example) example), the second is still mostly hated, with few fans liking the movie which was even more lore breaking than the first film, film by adding a competely new life-cycle that was unnecessary.



** The majority of fans disliked Chet because of its outlandish reproduction method that contradicts and even outright renders the previous life-cycle obsolete, and the dumb things she does like standing idly while Wolf removes his equipment (honor is no excuse when it comes to an animal)Also her design got some critisism.

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** The majority of fans disliked Chet because of its outlandish reproduction method that contradicts and even outright renders the previous life-cycle obsolete, obsolete and the dumb things she does does, like standing idly while Wolf removes his equipment (honor is no excuse when it comes to an animal)Also her animal). Her design got also received some critisism.criticism.



* SignatureScene: Nothing represents more the saga than the visual contraposition of a stern Predator mask and a slavering Alien head, which happens several times through the two movies. It was actually used for the first's poster.

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* SignatureScene: Nothing represents more the this saga than the visual contraposition of a stern Predator mask and a slavering Alien head, which happens several times through the two movies. It was actually used for the first's poster.
21st Oct '16 12:47:56 PM Morgenthaler
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** The alien nicknamed "Grid" (because of the grid pattern on its head caused by a predator's net) has become very popular among people who have seen the 2004 ''[=AvP=]'' film because it seems to be an exceptionally intelligent and formidable alien warrior. In its very first appearance, Grid kills ''two'' Predators on its own, immediately establishing itself as a {{Badass}}. It also manages to dodge being blasted by a predator's shoulder-cannon, and it's seen leading other aliens into battle. Even people who didn't like the film admit that Grid was pretty damn cool.

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** The alien nicknamed "Grid" (because of the grid pattern on its head caused by a predator's net) has become very popular among people who have seen the 2004 ''[=AvP=]'' film because it seems to be an exceptionally intelligent and formidable alien warrior. In its very first appearance, Grid kills ''two'' Predators on its own, immediately establishing itself as a {{Badass}}.badass. It also manages to dodge being blasted by a predator's shoulder-cannon, and it's seen leading other aliens into battle. Even people who didn't like the film admit that Grid was pretty damn cool.
18th Oct '16 8:25:39 AM MrDarkman
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** The majority of fans disliked Chet because of its outlandish reproduction method that contradicts and even outright renders the previous life-cycle obsolete, and the dumb things she does like standing idly while Wolf removes his equipment (honor is no excuse when it comes to an animal)Also her design got some critisism.
13th Oct '16 5:18:52 PM RagingHigher
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* AssPull: In the novelization, Scar is impregnated by a facehugger and gives birth to a Predalien, just like the film. The strangeness comes from the fact that, unlike the film, the novel shows Scar ''not'' being impregnated at any point of the story. So where did the Alien come from?



* FranchiseKiller: ''Requiem''. Its bad critical reception and even worse fan reception together made sure that, if there was any hope of continuing the saga after the potentially interesting points opened by the first move, it got lost like tears in rain. Even although ''Film/{{Predators}}'' revived significantly the interest of the crowd towards the Yautja and even made a nod to ''[=AvP=]'', it's quite improbable we will get to see Aliens against Predators on screen again.



* JustHereForGodzilla: A lot of people who dislike the films tend to admit that the fights between Aliens and Predators in the 2004 movie were pretty damn cool, and they often watch the film specifically in order to see those creatures trashing around.

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* HesJustHiding: Some people believe that the Alien Queen from the first movie might perfectly have survived to her fate, as it was simply being dragged to the bottom of the sea by a chain when ''Film/AlienResurrection'' had established that Xenomorphs can adapt to water apparently without any trouble.
* JustHereForGodzilla: A lot of people who dislike the films tend to admit that the fights between Aliens and Predators in the 2004 movie were pretty damn cool, and they often watch the film specifically in order to see those creatures trashing around.around each other.



** In the original script for the first movie, after Scar is impaled by the Alien Queen, he tries to stab himself with his dagger to take the Chestburster inside of his body with him, not without speaking for the first and last time to tell Lex her earlier line of "The enemy of my enemy is my friend." Pretty much everybody who know this fact believe it would have been brilliant to see it in the final film.

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** In the original script for the first movie, after Scar is impaled by the Alien Queen, he tries to stab himself with his dagger to take the Chestburster inside of his body with him, not without speaking for the first and last time to tell Lex her earlier line of "The enemy of my enemy is my friend." Pretty much everybody who know this fact believe it would have been brilliant to see it in the final film.
10th Oct '16 12:53:44 PM RagingHigher
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* AssPull: In the novelization, Scar is impregnated by a facehugger and gives birth to a Predalien, just like the film. The strangeness comes from the fact that, unlike the film, the novel shows Scar ''not'' being impregnated throughout the entire story. So where did the Alien come from?

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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Given that Predators don't talk nor emote very much, we don't know what were Scar's thoughts after being subdued and impregnated by a Facehugger. If he knew there was a Chestburster inside of him (which he should have known very obviously upon waking up, specially after finding the damn thing dead next to him), he might have been expecting to end the hunt and reach his mothership in time to get it extracted from him, or he might have been playing straight the ZombieInfectee and denying it to himself or just pushing to postpone the inevitable outcome.
* AssPull: In the novelization, Scar is impregnated by a facehugger and gives birth to a Predalien, just like the film. The strangeness comes from the fact that, unlike the film, the novel shows Scar ''not'' being impregnated throughout at any point of the entire story. So where did the Alien come from?



* JustHereForGodzilla: A lot of people who dislike the films tend to admit that the fights between Aliens and Predators in the 2004 movie were pretty damn cool, and they often watch the film specifically in order to see those creatures trashing around.



* OneSceneWonder: Elder from the first film, for ''Predator'' fans.

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* OneSceneWonder: Elder The Ancient Predator from the first film, specially for ''Predator'' fans.



* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: At one point in ''Requiem'', The Predalien and several facehuggers attack a group of homeless people living in the sewers. One of these people had ''a dog''. In ''Alien 3'', it is revealed that a facehugger impregnating a four-legged animal, such as a dog or an ox, would produce a quadrupedal variation of the Xenomorph known as "The Runner". If one of those facehuggers attached itself to the dog instead of one of the homeless people, we could have had the chance to see ''two'' powerful Xenomorph hybrids in the same movie.

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot:
** In the original script for the first movie, after Scar is impaled by the Alien Queen, he tries to stab himself with his dagger to take the Chestburster inside of his body with him, not without speaking for the first and last time to tell Lex her earlier line of "The enemy of my enemy is my friend." Pretty much everybody who know this fact believe it would have been brilliant to see it in the final film.
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At one point in ''Requiem'', The Predalien and several facehuggers attack a group of homeless people living in the sewers. One of these people had ''a dog''. In ''Alien 3'', it is revealed that a facehugger impregnating a four-legged animal, such as a dog or an ox, would produce a quadrupedal variation of the Xenomorph known as "The Runner". If one of those facehuggers attached itself to the dog instead of one of the homeless people, we could have had the chance to see ''two'' powerful Xenomorph hybrids in the same movie.
10th Oct '16 12:34:28 PM Anddrix
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* SpiritualLicensee: Before ''Film/{{Prometheus}}'' came along, the first ''[=AvP=]'' film was possibly the nearest thing to Creator/HPLovecraft's ''At the Mountains of Madness'' we could have in modern cinema.

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* SpiritualLicensee: SpiritualAdaptation: Before ''Film/{{Prometheus}}'' came along, the first ''[=AvP=]'' film was possibly the nearest thing to Creator/HPLovecraft's ''At the Mountains of Madness'' we could have in modern cinema.
10th Oct '16 12:31:13 PM RagingHigher
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* FreudWasRight: Giger's rather suggestive Alien designs are in full swing.
** ''[[Franchise/{{Alien}} Dickheads]]'' vs. ''[[Franchise/{{Predator}} Pussyfaces]]'', anyone?

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* FreudWasRight: Giger's rather suggestive Alien designs are in full swing.
**
swing. ''[[Franchise/{{Alien}} Dickheads]]'' vs. ''[[Franchise/{{Predator}} Pussyfaces]]'', anyone?
* GatewaySeries: With all its flaws, the first film introduced both the ''Alien'' and ''Predator'' franchises to the generation born in TheNineties, most of them young people who only knew them as obscure horror franchises from another era of cinema. It can be said that, if the two fandoms's received any new blood through the 2000s (and thus, a huge part of the expectation for ''Film/{{Prometheus}}'' and ''Film/{{Predators}}''), it is actually thanks to this saga and its spin-offs.



*** This difference makes the general community for the franchise a ''massive'' BrokenBase, with each side constantly debating the state of affairs.

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*** ** This difference makes the general community for the franchise a ''massive'' BrokenBase, with each side constantly debating the state of affairs.



* AssPull: In the novel, Scar is impregnated by a facehugger and gives birth to a Predalien, just like the film. The strangeness comes from the fact that, unlike the film, the novel shows Scar ''not'' being impregnated throughout the entire story. So where did the Alien come from?
* BadassDecay: This has been happening awhile give or take but ''Requiem'' reduced the aliens to cannon fodder. Any kills they made where simply RedShirts.

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* AssPull: In the novel, novelization, Scar is impregnated by a facehugger and gives birth to a Predalien, just like the film. The strangeness comes from the fact that, unlike the film, the novel shows Scar ''not'' being impregnated throughout the entire story. So where did the Alien come from?
* BadassDecay: BadassDecay:
**
This has been happening awhile give or take take, counting films, games and whatnot, but ''Requiem'' reduced the aliens to cannon fodder. Any kills they made where simply RedShirts.RedShirts.
** Contrarily to popular belief, the Predators themselves don't get the longer end of the stick in terms of power in the first film. Out of the three who appear in the movie, the first is killed without doing a single kill, the second goes down against the same Alien who killed his buddy, and the third one never wins a hand-to-hand fight, only excepting an instance in which he surprises a drone which believed it was going to surprise him.



** The two groups split more or less on these issues when it comes to the second movie:
*** Those who like the movie like it for its action scenes, increased gore, badass Predator and horror elements.
*** Those who hate the movie hate it for the needlessly high level of gore, the poor lighting, the Aliens non-sensical behaviour and violation of pretty much everything we've ever learned about them, them getting slaughtered by a single Predator, and the glee the movie seems to take in averting InfantImmortality.

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** The two groups split more or less on these issues when it comes to the second movie:
*** Those
movie: those who like the movie like it for its action scenes, increased gore, badass Predator and horror elements.
*** Those
elements, and those who hate the movie hate it for the needlessly high level of gore, the poor lighting, the Aliens non-sensical behaviour and violation of pretty much everything we've ever learned about them, them getting slaughtered by a single Predator, and the glee the movie seems to take in averting InfantImmortality.



* CriticalBacklash: There are actually people who feel the first movie, while nothing to write home about, still is fairly okay and doesn't really deserves the hatred it gets ([[WebVideo/TheNostalgiaCritic Doug Walker]], notably briefly referenced it in his Shining Mini-Series review as "decent"). The ''second'' one, on the other hand, is almost universally despised.

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* CriticalBacklash: There are actually many people who feel the first movie, while nothing to write home about, still is at least fairly okay and doesn't really deserves the hatred it gets ([[WebVideo/TheNostalgiaCritic Doug Walker]], Walker]] notably briefly referenced it in his Shining Mini-Series review as "decent"). The ''second'' one, on the other hand, is almost universally despised.despised.
* CriticalDissonance: Internet Movie Database gives the first film a healthy 5,6/10, more than twice of Website/RottenTomatoes's 21%, and most reviews are quite positive about that, thought not a great film, it gets most of what it attempts.



* EnsembleDarkhorse: The alien nicknamed "Grid" (because of the grid pattern on its head caused by a predator's net) has become very popular among people who have seen the 2004 ''[=AvP=]'' film because it seems to be an exceptionally intelligent and formidable alien warrior. In its very first appearance, Grid kills ''two'' Predators on its own, immediately establishing itself as a {{Badass}}. It also manages to dodge being blasted by a predator's shoulder-cannon, and it's seen leading other aliens into battle. Even people who didn't like the film admit that Grid was pretty damn cool.

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* EnsembleDarkhorse: EnsembleDarkhorse:
**
The alien nicknamed "Grid" (because of the grid pattern on its head caused by a predator's net) has become very popular among people who have seen the 2004 ''[=AvP=]'' film because it seems to be an exceptionally intelligent and formidable alien warrior. In its very first appearance, Grid kills ''two'' Predators on its own, immediately establishing itself as a {{Badass}}. It also manages to dodge being blasted by a predator's shoulder-cannon, and it's seen leading other aliens into battle. Even people who didn't like the film admit that Grid was pretty damn cool.cool.
** While most all of the humans are loathed, Adele Rousseau and Charles Weyland from the first movie have fans thanks to Adele being the closest thing to a Badass out of the humans and Weyland for his connection to the Alien films and being played by Creator/LanceHenriksen.



** While most all of the humans are loathed, Adele Rousseau and Charles Weyland from the first movie have fans thanks to Adele being the closest thing to a Badass out of the humans and Weyland for his connection to the Alien films and being played by Creator/LanceHenriksen.
* FanPreferredPairing: [[InterspeciesRomance Scar/Lex]] is probably the only ship with any significant number of fans to have emerged from the AVP movies. Hell, the producers even said they imagined Scar as a "romantic leading man".

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** While most all of the humans are loathed, Adele Rousseau and Charles Weyland from the first movie have fans thanks to Adele being the closest thing to a Badass out of the humans and Weyland for his connection to the Alien films and being played by Creator/LanceHenriksen.
* FanPreferredPairing: [[InterspeciesRomance Scar/Lex]] is probably the only ship with any significant number of fans to have emerged from the AVP movies. Hell, the The producers even said they imagined Scar as a "romantic leading man".man", while the author of the novelization couldn't resist the temptation to introduce some jokes and teasing about it.



* OneSceneWonder: Elder from the first film, for ''Predator'' fans.



* SoBadItsGood: For those who don't simply hate both films, but especially about the second.
* SpecialEffectsFailure: Actually, more of a Lighting Failure. The suits for ''AVP: Requiem'' are fantastic... but unfortunately, the film is so darkly lit that you can't see them.

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* SignatureScene: Nothing represents more the saga than the visual contraposition of a stern Predator mask and a slavering Alien head, which happens several times through the two movies. It was actually used for the first's poster.
* SoBadItsGood: For those who don't simply hate both films, but especially about To some people, the second.
second film and its quirks (attempts on teen drama, classic horror traits, bad lighting, questionable plot and downright bad script, among many others) are pretty entertaining in a special light.
* SpecialEffectsFailure: Actually, Actually more of a Lighting Failure. The suits for ''AVP: Requiem'' are fantastic... but unfortunately, the film is so darkly lit that you can't see them.
* SpiritualLicensee: Before ''Film/{{Prometheus}}'' came along, the first ''[=AvP=]'' film was possibly the nearest thing to Creator/HPLovecraft's ''At the Mountains of Madness'' we could have in modern cinema.
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