History YMMV / AKnightsTale

27th Jun '16 5:39:09 PM 04tele
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* TheScrappy: Jocelyn. Despite having some good lines and moments, for whatever reason (her status as TheObstructiveLoveInterest, her actress, the fact that [[FanPreferredCouple Kate's]] way cooler, [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking her hair]]?) she grates on the nerves of a ''lot'' of people who otherwise love the movie.
** There's also her insane EngagementChallenge to Will, which a good deal of viewers [[NeverLiveItDown don't forgive]]. Though it was [[ShownTheirWork lifted from a 12th century poem]], 'Lancelot, the Knight of the Cart'. Jocelyn wants poetry in her life, after all.
** It goes into completely unreasonable territory when people invoke ''[[RealWomenDontWearDresses feminism]]'' as a reason to hate Jocelyn, saying that Kate was [[DieForOurShip a better romantic option for Will due to being a "strong female character"]]. You know, there's the small fact that if the fangirls were as "feminist" as they claimed, they wouldn't say that a "strong female character" needs a (male) romantic interest to make her truly whole, not to mention Kate is a ''widow'' going through TheMourningAfter...

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* TheScrappy: Jocelyn. Despite having some good lines and moments, for whatever reason (her status as TheObstructiveLoveInterest, her actress, the fact that [[FanPreferredCouple Kate's]] way cooler, [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking her hair]]?) she grates on the nerves of a ''lot'' lot of people who otherwise love the movie.
** There's also her insane EngagementChallenge to Will, which a good deal of viewers [[NeverLiveItDown don't forgive]]. Though it was [[ShownTheirWork lifted from a 12th century poem]], 'Lancelot, the Knight of the Cart'. Jocelyn wants poetry in her life, after all.
all, and she also wants to show Will that she doesn't regard herself as a mere trophy to be won by jousting.
** It goes into completely unreasonable territory when people invoke ''[[RealWomenDontWearDresses feminism]]'' as a reason to hate Jocelyn, saying that Kate was [[DieForOurShip a better romantic option for Will due to being a "strong female character"]]. You know, there's There's the small fact that if the fangirls fans were as "feminist" as they claimed, they wouldn't say that a "strong female character" needs a (male) romantic interest to make her truly whole, not to mention Kate is a ''widow'' going through TheMourningAfter...TheMourningAfter. Kate is a rare example in film of a female teammate in an otherwise male team who is accepted entirely on her own terms, not as someone's love interest.
19th Jul '15 7:46:38 PM lorgskyegon
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** The only other women are Cristiana (a lady-in-waiting who can't look better the lady she serves) and Kate (a travelling blacksmith for whom clothing choice is far more about practicality than prettiness). Jocelyn's hair and clothing is probably a relic of her noble birth - she can afford to have crazy hair and useless clothes because she doesn't have to work.
10th Jun '15 1:48:57 AM capretty
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* InformedAttractiveness: Jocelyn. The general consensus is that while she is lovely, the amount of praise over her looks is extremely over the top, particularly since she wears a lot of bizarre and unflattering outfits and hairstyles. Not helping matters is that other female characters, despite being just as, if not more, attractive, receive no attention or remarks.
4th Jun '15 9:24:14 PM glotof
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**Unless you subscribe to the theory that Rufus Sewell's entire character/characterization is making fun of Joaquin Phoenix in "Gladiator".
23rd Dec '14 9:51:17 AM JoieDeCombat
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** Nearly every bad thing that has happened to Adhemar in this movie has been at least an indirect result of Prince Edward -- or more accurately, Adhemar's own refusal to joust him. A short time after this occurs, Adhemar is called away to war -- on the Black Prince's orders -- where he frequently sees the results of the tournaments that have taken place in his absence, all of them being won by William and the fact of it all causing him great anger. Then, when he comes back, he manages to expose 'Ulrich von Lichtenstein' as William Thatcher; Edward's retaliation is to fully pardon '''''and knight''''' William, urge him to fight in the tournament and then cheer him on.

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** Nearly every bad thing that has happened to Adhemar in this movie has been at least an indirect result of indirectly caused by Prince Edward -- or more accurately, by Adhemar's own refusal to joust him. A short time after this occurs, Adhemar is called away to war -- on the Black Prince's orders -- where he frequently sees the results of the tournaments that have taken place in his absence, all of them being won by William and the fact of it all causing him great anger. Then, when he comes back, he manages to expose 'Ulrich von Lichtenstein' as William Thatcher; Edward's retaliation is to fully pardon '''''and knight''''' William, urge him to fight in the tournament and then cheer him on.
10th Nov '14 3:05:57 PM MagBas
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** It goes into completely unreasonable territory when people invoke ''[[RealWomenDontWearDresses feminism]]'' as a reason to hate Jocelyn, saying that Kate was [[DieForOurShip a better romantic option for Will due to being a "strong female character"]]. You know, there's the small fact that if the fangirls were as "feminist" as they claimed, they wouldn't say that [[UnfortunateImplications a "strong female character" needs a (male) romantic interest to make her truly whole]], not to mention Kate is a ''widow'' going through TheMourningAfter...

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** It goes into completely unreasonable territory when people invoke ''[[RealWomenDontWearDresses feminism]]'' as a reason to hate Jocelyn, saying that Kate was [[DieForOurShip a better romantic option for Will due to being a "strong female character"]]. You know, there's the small fact that if the fangirls were as "feminist" as they claimed, they wouldn't say that [[UnfortunateImplications a "strong female character" needs a (male) romantic interest to make her truly whole]], whole, not to mention Kate is a ''widow'' going through TheMourningAfter...
31st Jul '14 8:58:57 PM Angeldeb82
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** Then again, [[TheyPlottedAPerfectlyGoodWaste this may have been the point.]]

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** Then again, [[TheyPlottedAPerfectlyGoodWaste [[IntendedAudienceReaction this may have been the point.]]point]].



* FanPreferredCouple: A ''lot'' of people feel that Will should have persued Kate rather than Jocelyn.

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* FanPreferredCouple: A ''lot'' of people feel that Will should have persued pursued Kate rather than Jocelyn.



** Creator/HeathLedger, natch. While some fans remember him for his role as William, he would only get his big break on [[Film/BrokebackMountain three]] [[Film/TheDarkKnight subsequent]] [[Film/TheImaginariumOfDoctorParnassus movies]] (even getting an Academy Award in one of them)... all before [[ActorExistenceFailure biting it midway in production of the last.]]
* TheScrappy: Jocelyn. Despite having some good lines and moments, for whatever reason (her status as TheObstructiveLoveInterest, her actress, the fact that [[FanPreferredCouple Kate's]] way cooler, [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking her hair?]]) she grates on the nerves of a ''lot'' of people who otherwise love the movie.
** There's also her insane EngagementChallenge to Will, which a good deal of viewers [[NeverLiveItDown don't forgive.]] Though it was [[ShownTheirWork lifted from a 12th century poem]], 'Lancelot, the Knight of the Cart'. Jocelyn wants poetry in her life, after all.
** It goes into completely unreasonable territory when people invoke ''[[RealWomenNeverWearDresses feminism]]'' as a reason to hate Jocelyn, saying that Kate was [[DieForourShip a better romantic option for Will due to being a "strong female character"]]. You know, there's the small fact that if the fangirls were as "feminist" as they claimed, they wouldn't say that [[UnfortunateImplications a "strong female character" needs a (male) romantic interest to make her truly whole]], not to mention Kate is a ''widow'' going through TheMourningAfter...

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** Creator/HeathLedger, natch. While some fans remember him for his role as William, he would only get his big break on [[Film/BrokebackMountain three]] [[Film/TheDarkKnight subsequent]] [[Film/TheImaginariumOfDoctorParnassus movies]] (even getting an Academy Award in one of them)... all before [[ActorExistenceFailure biting it midway in production of the last.]]
last]].
* TheScrappy: Jocelyn. Despite having some good lines and moments, for whatever reason (her status as TheObstructiveLoveInterest, her actress, the fact that [[FanPreferredCouple Kate's]] way cooler, [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking her hair?]]) hair]]?) she grates on the nerves of a ''lot'' of people who otherwise love the movie.
** There's also her insane EngagementChallenge to Will, which a good deal of viewers [[NeverLiveItDown don't forgive.]] forgive]]. Though it was [[ShownTheirWork lifted from a 12th century poem]], 'Lancelot, the Knight of the Cart'. Jocelyn wants poetry in her life, after all.
** It goes into completely unreasonable territory when people invoke ''[[RealWomenNeverWearDresses ''[[RealWomenDontWearDresses feminism]]'' as a reason to hate Jocelyn, saying that Kate was [[DieForourShip [[DieForOurShip a better romantic option for Will due to being a "strong female character"]]. You know, there's the small fact that if the fangirls were as "feminist" as they claimed, they wouldn't say that [[UnfortunateImplications a "strong female character" needs a (male) romantic interest to make her truly whole]], not to mention Kate is a ''widow'' going through TheMourningAfter...
15th Apr '14 7:46:11 PM Aiguille
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* FoeYay: Quite possibly deliberate, according to the {{DVD Commentary}}.

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* FoeYay: FoeRomanceSubtext: Quite possibly deliberate, according to the {{DVD Commentary}}.
21st Mar '14 8:48:49 PM CelPrevXXVI
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* RetroactiveRecognition: You know Jocelyn's maid? Believe it or not, but that's actually Berenice Bejo, who would go on to receive major critical praise and recognition for her role in ''TheArtist'' and be nominated for an Academy Award.

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You know Jocelyn's maid? Believe it or not, but that's actually Berenice Bejo, who would go on to receive major critical praise and recognition for her role in ''TheArtist'' and be nominated for an Academy Award. Award.
** Creator/HeathLedger, natch. While some fans remember him for his role as William, he would only get his big break on [[Film/BrokebackMountain three]] [[Film/TheDarkKnight subsequent]] [[Film/TheImaginariumOfDoctorParnassus movies]] (even getting an Academy Award in one of them)... all before [[ActorExistenceFailure biting it midway in production of the last.]]



--> '''William''': And you, Chaucer?

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--> '''William''': And you, Chaucer?Chaucer
17th Nov '13 9:33:15 PM Statalyzer
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*** Especially hilarious is when he's fumbling over words and manages to spurt out "Your breasts! They are ... below your throat."



** Anything invovling William's father is genuinely moving, which is rather odd given the rest of the film's {{Camp}} tone.

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** Anything invovling involving William's father is genuinely moving, which is rather odd given the rest of the film's {{Camp}} tone.
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