History YMMV / AKnightsTale

10th Sep '16 5:21:19 AM fearlessnikki
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* BigLippedAlligatorMoment: Adhemar's hallucination just prior to his defeat at the end is so bizarre and out of nowhere that it's actually cut out on many TV airings of the film.
** Unless you subscribe to the theory that Rufus Sewell's entire character/characterization is making fun of Joaquin Phoenix in "Gladiator".
* ClicheStorm: Some would argue that there isn't very much that's original in this film beyond the [[AnachronismStew main gimmick]].
** Then again, [[IntendedAudienceReaction this may have been the point]].
* [[SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic Crowning Music of Awesome]]: The songs the rest of the FiveManBand sing in a tavern about William.

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* BaseBreakingCharacter: Jocelyn gets a lot of hate from people who dislike William's constant showering of her with praise, as well as a role as TheObstructiveLoveInterest - or from people who just prefer Kate. But there are others who think her relationship with William is still very sweet, and she does get some of the best lines in the film. A lot of Jocelyn hate tends to come from DieForOurShip.
* BigLippedAlligatorMoment: Adhemar's hallucination just prior to Just before [[spoiler: his defeat at eventual defeat]] Adhemar imagines Wat, Roland, Kate and William delivering an IronicEcho of the end is so bizarre and speech he gave William. It's rather out of nowhere that it's actually place and usually gets cut out on many of TV airings of the film.
** Unless you subscribe to the theory that Rufus Sewell's entire character/characterization is making fun of Joaquin Phoenix in "Gladiator".
airings.
* ClicheStorm: Some would argue that there isn't very much that's original in this film beyond the [[AnachronismStew main gimmick]]. \n** Then again, [[IntendedAudienceReaction this may have been the point]].\n {{Troperiffic}} clearly comes into play however.
* [[SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic Crowning Music of Awesome]]: Awesome]]:
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The songs the rest of the FiveManBand sing in a tavern about William.



* EnsembleDarkhorse:
** Jocelyn's lady-in-waiting Christiana is quite popular among fans, despite being a side character who has only minimal lines. A lot of fans state that they found her to be prettier than Jocelyn, and use her in ships.
** Kate is easily the most popular member of the supporting cast, despite being the last to join them. A lot of people wish she had been the main love interest, though just as many are happy that she is a prominent female character who ''doesn't'' end up as somebody's love interest.



** He goes with the noblewoman. A small consolation being that this makes Kate's dead husband a rare example of a male [[TheLostLenore Lost Lenore]].



* HoYay: Chaucer and Wat. They are also a major FanPreferredCouple.

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* HoYay: GeniusBonus:
** There is no record of what happened to Geoffrey Chaucer for a year in his life, and this film is implied to take place in said year. He says IShouldWriteABookAboutThis, and indeed 'The Knight's Tale' is the first chapter in ''The Canterbury Tales''.
** Geoff also tells two men that he will get revenge on them by humiliating them in fiction. These two men are Peter the Pardoner and Simon the Summoner, who both appear in ''The Canterbury Tales'' too.
** Jocelyn's challenge for Will to lose the tournament and prove his love for her is a direct ShoutOut to the 12th century poem "Lancelot, the Knight of the Court".
* HilariousInHindsight: One of Chaucer's {{Red Baron}}s for William is "the seeker of serenity". Wat is played by Alan Tudyk, star of ''{{Series/Firefly}}'' and its film adaptation ''{{Film/Serenity}}''.
* HoYay:
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Chaucer and Wat. They are also a major FanPreferredCouple.



* InformedAttractiveness: Jocelyn. The general consensus is that while she is lovely, the amount of praise over her looks is extremely over the top, particularly since she wears a lot of bizarre and unflattering outfits and hairstyles. Not helping matters is that other female characters, despite being just as, if not more, attractive, receive no attention or remarks.
** The only other women are Cristiana (a lady-in-waiting who can't look better the lady she serves) and Kate (a travelling blacksmith for whom clothing choice is far more about practicality than prettiness). Jocelyn's hair and clothing is probably a relic of her noble birth - she can afford to have crazy hair and useless clothes because she doesn't have to work.

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* InformedAttractiveness: Jocelyn. The general consensus is that while she is lovely, the amount of praise over her looks is extremely over the top, particularly since she wears a lot of bizarre and unflattering outfits and hairstyles. Not helping matters is that other female characters, despite being just as, if not more, attractive, receive no attention or remarks. \n** The only other women Granted she is a noblewoman, while they are Cristiana (a lady-in-waiting who can't look better the lady she serves) a maid and Kate (a travelling blacksmith for whom clothing choice is far more about practicality than prettiness). Jocelyn's hair and clothing is probably a relic of her noble birth - she can afford to have crazy hair and useless clothes because she doesn't have to work.respectively, but some find it CharacterShilling.



* MagnificentBastard: A protagonist-friendly example in Edward, the Black Prince of Wales.
** Nearly every bad thing that has happened to Adhemar in this movie has been at least indirectly caused by Prince Edward -- or more accurately, by Adhemar's own refusal to joust him. A short time after this occurs, Adhemar is called away to war -- on the Black Prince's orders -- where he frequently sees the results of the tournaments that have taken place in his absence, all of them being won by William and the fact of it all causing him great anger. Then, when he comes back, he manages to expose 'Ulrich von Lichtenstein' as William Thatcher; Edward's retaliation is to fully pardon '''''and knight''''' William, urge him to fight in the tournament and then cheer him on.

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* MagnificentBastard: MagnificentBastard:
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A protagonist-friendly example in Edward, the Black Prince of Wales.
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Wales. Nearly every bad thing that has happened to Adhemar in this movie has been at least indirectly caused by Prince Edward -- or more accurately, by Adhemar's own refusal to joust him. A short time after this occurs, Adhemar is called away to war -- on the Black Prince's orders -- where he frequently sees the results of the tournaments that have taken place in his absence, all of them being won by William and the fact of it all causing him great anger. Then, when he comes back, he manages to expose 'Ulrich von Lichtenstein' as William Thatcher; Edward's retaliation is to fully pardon '''''and knight''''' William, urge him to fight in the tournament and then cheer him on.



* {{Narm}}: The romantic dialogue can sometimes come off this way.
** [[spoiler:[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkp8TnCaNCg&t=0m43s WIIILIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAM!]]]] It doesn't help that the line is said by William himself.
** NarmCharm: However, the romantic dialogue still works since William's supposed to be struggling with expressing his feelings.
*** Especially hilarious is when he's fumbling over words and manages to spurt out "Your breasts! They are ... below your throat."

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* {{Narm}}: The romantic dialogue can sometimes come off this way.
{{Narm}}:
** [[spoiler:[[http://www.During the final joust, there's [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkp8TnCaNCg&t=0m43s WIIILIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAM!]]]] It doesn't help that the line is said by William himself.
** Only for Dutch audiences, but Gelderland is a real province in the Netherlands. So its status as a made up homeland for William caused many unplanned laughs.
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NarmCharm: However, the The romantic dialogue is quite silly in places but still works since William's supposed to be struggling with expressing his feelings.
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feelings. Especially hilarious is when he's fumbling over words and manages to spurt out "Your breasts! They are ... below your throat."



** You know Jocelyn's maid? Believe it or not, but that's actually Berenice Bejo, who would go on to receive major critical praise and recognition for her role in ''TheArtist'' and be nominated for an Academy Award.

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** You know Jocelyn's maid? Believe it or not, but that's actually Berenice Bejo, who would go on to receive major critical praise and recognition for her role in ''TheArtist'' ''Film/TheArtist'' and be nominated for an Academy Award.



* TheScrappy: Jocelyn. Despite having some good lines and moments, for whatever reason (her status as TheObstructiveLoveInterest, her actress, the fact that [[FanPreferredCouple Kate's]] way cooler, [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking her hair]]?) she grates on the nerves of a lot of people who otherwise love the movie.
** There's also her insane EngagementChallenge to Will, which a good deal of viewers [[NeverLiveItDown don't forgive]]. Though it was [[ShownTheirWork lifted from a 12th century poem]], 'Lancelot, the Knight of the Cart'. Jocelyn wants poetry in her life, after all, and she also wants to show Will that she doesn't regard herself as a mere trophy to be won by jousting.
** It goes into completely unreasonable territory when people invoke ''[[RealWomenDontWearDresses feminism]]'' as a reason to hate Jocelyn, saying that Kate was [[DieForOurShip a better romantic option for Will due to being a "strong female character"]]. There's the small fact that if the fans were as "feminist" as they claimed, they wouldn't say that a "strong female character" needs a (male) romantic interest to make her truly whole, not to mention Kate is a ''widow'' going through TheMourningAfter. Kate is a rare example in film of a female teammate in an otherwise male team who is accepted entirely on her own terms, not as someone's love interest.
9th Sep '16 3:55:18 PM momur
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*** Particularly the flashback to when William's father leaves him with Sir Ecter. Though it's simultaneously a CMOH that his father is trying to let William have a chance to follow his dreams, the look on his face as they say goodbye is utterly heart-wrenching. It's not helped by the fact that in the flashback, his father says he was apprenticed to Sir Ecter for seven years and the flashback was prompted by William admitting he'd not been back to England for ''twelve'' years...
** William's reaction when he sees his father again. His expression when he realises his father truly has gone blind is enough to make anyone tear up but then the moment when William's father realises he's talking to his son will be guaranteed to have you reaching for the tissues.
8th Aug '16 4:02:31 PM ErikModi
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** The soundtrack in general. The opening set to Queen's "We Will Rock You," concluding with the ''epic'' Brian May guitar solo (apparently, in-universe, [[CrowningMomentOfFunny played on a trumpet]]). David Bowie's "Golden Years" highlighting the romantic dance between William and Jocelyn, and "The Boys Are Back In Town" as the knights ride in to London for the World Championships.
27th Jun '16 5:39:09 PM 04tele
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* TheScrappy: Jocelyn. Despite having some good lines and moments, for whatever reason (her status as TheObstructiveLoveInterest, her actress, the fact that [[FanPreferredCouple Kate's]] way cooler, [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking her hair]]?) she grates on the nerves of a ''lot'' of people who otherwise love the movie.
** There's also her insane EngagementChallenge to Will, which a good deal of viewers [[NeverLiveItDown don't forgive]]. Though it was [[ShownTheirWork lifted from a 12th century poem]], 'Lancelot, the Knight of the Cart'. Jocelyn wants poetry in her life, after all.
** It goes into completely unreasonable territory when people invoke ''[[RealWomenDontWearDresses feminism]]'' as a reason to hate Jocelyn, saying that Kate was [[DieForOurShip a better romantic option for Will due to being a "strong female character"]]. You know, there's the small fact that if the fangirls were as "feminist" as they claimed, they wouldn't say that a "strong female character" needs a (male) romantic interest to make her truly whole, not to mention Kate is a ''widow'' going through TheMourningAfter...

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* TheScrappy: Jocelyn. Despite having some good lines and moments, for whatever reason (her status as TheObstructiveLoveInterest, her actress, the fact that [[FanPreferredCouple Kate's]] way cooler, [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking her hair]]?) she grates on the nerves of a ''lot'' lot of people who otherwise love the movie.
** There's also her insane EngagementChallenge to Will, which a good deal of viewers [[NeverLiveItDown don't forgive]]. Though it was [[ShownTheirWork lifted from a 12th century poem]], 'Lancelot, the Knight of the Cart'. Jocelyn wants poetry in her life, after all.
all, and she also wants to show Will that she doesn't regard herself as a mere trophy to be won by jousting.
** It goes into completely unreasonable territory when people invoke ''[[RealWomenDontWearDresses feminism]]'' as a reason to hate Jocelyn, saying that Kate was [[DieForOurShip a better romantic option for Will due to being a "strong female character"]]. You know, there's There's the small fact that if the fangirls fans were as "feminist" as they claimed, they wouldn't say that a "strong female character" needs a (male) romantic interest to make her truly whole, not to mention Kate is a ''widow'' going through TheMourningAfter...TheMourningAfter. Kate is a rare example in film of a female teammate in an otherwise male team who is accepted entirely on her own terms, not as someone's love interest.
19th Jul '15 7:46:38 PM lorgskyegon
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** The only other women are Cristiana (a lady-in-waiting who can't look better the lady she serves) and Kate (a travelling blacksmith for whom clothing choice is far more about practicality than prettiness). Jocelyn's hair and clothing is probably a relic of her noble birth - she can afford to have crazy hair and useless clothes because she doesn't have to work.
10th Jun '15 1:48:57 AM capretty
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* InformedAttractiveness: Jocelyn. The general consensus is that while she is lovely, the amount of praise over her looks is extremely over the top, particularly since she wears a lot of bizarre and unflattering outfits and hairstyles. Not helping matters is that other female characters, despite being just as, if not more, attractive, receive no attention or remarks.
4th Jun '15 9:24:14 PM glotof
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**Unless you subscribe to the theory that Rufus Sewell's entire character/characterization is making fun of Joaquin Phoenix in "Gladiator".
23rd Dec '14 9:51:17 AM JoieDeCombat
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** Nearly every bad thing that has happened to Adhemar in this movie has been at least an indirect result of Prince Edward -- or more accurately, Adhemar's own refusal to joust him. A short time after this occurs, Adhemar is called away to war -- on the Black Prince's orders -- where he frequently sees the results of the tournaments that have taken place in his absence, all of them being won by William and the fact of it all causing him great anger. Then, when he comes back, he manages to expose 'Ulrich von Lichtenstein' as William Thatcher; Edward's retaliation is to fully pardon '''''and knight''''' William, urge him to fight in the tournament and then cheer him on.

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** Nearly every bad thing that has happened to Adhemar in this movie has been at least an indirect result of indirectly caused by Prince Edward -- or more accurately, by Adhemar's own refusal to joust him. A short time after this occurs, Adhemar is called away to war -- on the Black Prince's orders -- where he frequently sees the results of the tournaments that have taken place in his absence, all of them being won by William and the fact of it all causing him great anger. Then, when he comes back, he manages to expose 'Ulrich von Lichtenstein' as William Thatcher; Edward's retaliation is to fully pardon '''''and knight''''' William, urge him to fight in the tournament and then cheer him on.
10th Nov '14 3:05:57 PM MagBas
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** It goes into completely unreasonable territory when people invoke ''[[RealWomenDontWearDresses feminism]]'' as a reason to hate Jocelyn, saying that Kate was [[DieForOurShip a better romantic option for Will due to being a "strong female character"]]. You know, there's the small fact that if the fangirls were as "feminist" as they claimed, they wouldn't say that [[UnfortunateImplications a "strong female character" needs a (male) romantic interest to make her truly whole]], not to mention Kate is a ''widow'' going through TheMourningAfter...

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** It goes into completely unreasonable territory when people invoke ''[[RealWomenDontWearDresses feminism]]'' as a reason to hate Jocelyn, saying that Kate was [[DieForOurShip a better romantic option for Will due to being a "strong female character"]]. You know, there's the small fact that if the fangirls were as "feminist" as they claimed, they wouldn't say that [[UnfortunateImplications a "strong female character" needs a (male) romantic interest to make her truly whole]], whole, not to mention Kate is a ''widow'' going through TheMourningAfter...
31st Jul '14 8:58:57 PM Angeldeb82
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** Then again, [[TheyPlottedAPerfectlyGoodWaste this may have been the point.]]

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** Then again, [[TheyPlottedAPerfectlyGoodWaste [[IntendedAudienceReaction this may have been the point.]]point]].



* FanPreferredCouple: A ''lot'' of people feel that Will should have persued Kate rather than Jocelyn.

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* FanPreferredCouple: A ''lot'' of people feel that Will should have persued pursued Kate rather than Jocelyn.



** Creator/HeathLedger, natch. While some fans remember him for his role as William, he would only get his big break on [[Film/BrokebackMountain three]] [[Film/TheDarkKnight subsequent]] [[Film/TheImaginariumOfDoctorParnassus movies]] (even getting an Academy Award in one of them)... all before [[ActorExistenceFailure biting it midway in production of the last.]]
* TheScrappy: Jocelyn. Despite having some good lines and moments, for whatever reason (her status as TheObstructiveLoveInterest, her actress, the fact that [[FanPreferredCouple Kate's]] way cooler, [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking her hair?]]) she grates on the nerves of a ''lot'' of people who otherwise love the movie.
** There's also her insane EngagementChallenge to Will, which a good deal of viewers [[NeverLiveItDown don't forgive.]] Though it was [[ShownTheirWork lifted from a 12th century poem]], 'Lancelot, the Knight of the Cart'. Jocelyn wants poetry in her life, after all.
** It goes into completely unreasonable territory when people invoke ''[[RealWomenNeverWearDresses feminism]]'' as a reason to hate Jocelyn, saying that Kate was [[DieForourShip a better romantic option for Will due to being a "strong female character"]]. You know, there's the small fact that if the fangirls were as "feminist" as they claimed, they wouldn't say that [[UnfortunateImplications a "strong female character" needs a (male) romantic interest to make her truly whole]], not to mention Kate is a ''widow'' going through TheMourningAfter...

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** Creator/HeathLedger, natch. While some fans remember him for his role as William, he would only get his big break on [[Film/BrokebackMountain three]] [[Film/TheDarkKnight subsequent]] [[Film/TheImaginariumOfDoctorParnassus movies]] (even getting an Academy Award in one of them)... all before [[ActorExistenceFailure biting it midway in production of the last.]]
last]].
* TheScrappy: Jocelyn. Despite having some good lines and moments, for whatever reason (her status as TheObstructiveLoveInterest, her actress, the fact that [[FanPreferredCouple Kate's]] way cooler, [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking her hair?]]) hair]]?) she grates on the nerves of a ''lot'' of people who otherwise love the movie.
** There's also her insane EngagementChallenge to Will, which a good deal of viewers [[NeverLiveItDown don't forgive.]] forgive]]. Though it was [[ShownTheirWork lifted from a 12th century poem]], 'Lancelot, the Knight of the Cart'. Jocelyn wants poetry in her life, after all.
** It goes into completely unreasonable territory when people invoke ''[[RealWomenNeverWearDresses ''[[RealWomenDontWearDresses feminism]]'' as a reason to hate Jocelyn, saying that Kate was [[DieForourShip [[DieForOurShip a better romantic option for Will due to being a "strong female character"]]. You know, there's the small fact that if the fangirls were as "feminist" as they claimed, they wouldn't say that [[UnfortunateImplications a "strong female character" needs a (male) romantic interest to make her truly whole]], not to mention Kate is a ''widow'' going through TheMourningAfter...
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