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12th Mar '17 9:08:40 AM Ilya_Rysenkov
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** Horus himself was shown [[PropheciesAreAlwaysRight a vision]] of two possible futures of the Imperium, [[CrapsackWorld both of them horrible]]. [[SadisticChoice Choosing what he thinks is the less horrible one]], Horus attempts to overthrow the Emperor in order to fulfill it, but [[SelfFulfillingProphecy only managed to bring exactly the future he was trying to avoid.]]

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** Horus himself was manipulated to betraying the Emperor. After he was mortally wounded by Chaos blade,his soul went into the Warp, where he was shown [[PropheciesAreAlwaysRight a vision]] of two possible futures of the Imperium, [[CrapsackWorld both of them horrible]]. [[SadisticChoice Choosing what he thinks is the less horrible one]], Horus attempts to overthrow the Emperor in order to fulfill it, but [[SelfFulfillingProphecy only managed to bring exactly the future he was trying to avoid.]]
12th Mar '17 9:05:21 AM Ilya_Rysenkov
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** Horus himself was shown [[PropheciesAreAlwaysRight a vision]] of two possible futures of the Imperium, [[CrapsackWorld both of them horrible]]. [[SadisticChoice Choosing what he thinks is the less horrible one]], Horus attempts to overthrow the Emperor in order to fulfill it, but things [[SelfFulfillingProphecy don't quite go as planned.]]

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** Horus himself was shown [[PropheciesAreAlwaysRight a vision]] of two possible futures of the Imperium, [[CrapsackWorld both of them horrible]]. [[SadisticChoice Choosing what he thinks is the less horrible one]], Horus attempts to overthrow the Emperor in order to fulfill it, but things [[SelfFulfillingProphecy don't quite go as planned.only managed to bring exactly the future he was trying to avoid.]]
25th Sep '16 4:08:26 AM Morgenthaler
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* ''PrometheanTheCreated'' has a "black hat" group, the Centimani. They embrace [[TheCorruption Flux]], the antithesis to the Azoth that fuels Prometheans. Their powers are the same as those of Pandorans, the natural predators of their kind. Most other Prometheans consider them monstrous (not the least of which because many Centimani hunt other Prometheans to feed their Pandorans). But the gameline makes a point of pointing something out: Prometheans are the ''embodiment'' of BlessedWithSuck. Any given Promethean is constantly, day-in-day-out, hammered with terrible trials. Being nigh-indestructible is no barrier against the DespairEventHorizon. Most Centimani are less born to evil than dragged to it by the heels.

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* ''PrometheanTheCreated'' ''TabletopGame/PrometheanTheCreated'' has a "black hat" group, the Centimani. They embrace [[TheCorruption Flux]], the antithesis to the Azoth that fuels Prometheans. Their powers are the same as those of Pandorans, the natural predators of their kind. Most other Prometheans consider them monstrous (not the least of which because many Centimani hunt other Prometheans to feed their Pandorans). But the gameline makes a point of pointing something out: Prometheans are the ''embodiment'' of BlessedWithSuck. Any given Promethean is constantly, day-in-day-out, hammered with terrible trials. Being nigh-indestructible is no barrier against the DespairEventHorizon. Most Centimani are less born to evil than dragged to it by the heels.
18th Sep '16 8:19:14 AM JustinCognito
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* Nualia Tobyn, the BigBad of the very first ''TabletopGame/{{Pathfinder}}'' adventure, is revealed to be one of these in the adventure details. Nualia is a former orphan from the town of Sandpoint who never knew her parents, and was instead brought up by the local priest. However, because she was an Aasimar[[note]]a human with blood ancestry to angels and other celestial beings[[/note]], the superstitious people of Sandpoint constantly accosted her, because [[SoBeautifulItsACurse they believed her grace and divinity would "rub off" on them]], forever asking her for favors, trying to take various tokens from her like buttons, cast off clothes, locks of hair, and begged her for blessings despite the fact she kept trying to explain that she couldn't do that. Throughout all this, her adoptive father let it happen -- indeed, subtly encouraged it -- because he was caught up in visions of the renown he would receive after she went on to be a nun in an order dedicated to his god, and thusly he was incredibly strict with her. When she thought she found a boy who loved her, she gave her virginity to him and became pregnant, only for him to abandon her. Her father became furious and treated her like an outcast when he discovered she was pregnant, and then, when she gave birth, her baby was stillborn and horrifically deformed, because her former swain had unknowingly seduced her in what was actually an old shrine to Lamashtu, goddess of monsters, miscarriages and deformities. Is it really any wonder that all of the above, combined with the [[MindRape psychic emanations from an evil artifact buried under the town]], caused her to go insane, murder her adoptive father, burn down his chapel and run away to become a worshipper of Lamashtu, eventually returning to Sandpoint with the intent of murdering its inhabitants to fuel her transformation from an aasimar into a demon?

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* Nualia Tobyn, the BigBad of the very first ''TabletopGame/{{Pathfinder}}'' adventure, is revealed to be one of these in the adventure details. Nualia is a former orphan from the town of Sandpoint who never knew her parents, and was instead brought up by the local priest. However, because she was an Aasimar[[note]]a human with blood ancestry to angels and other celestial beings[[/note]], the superstitious people of Sandpoint constantly accosted her, because [[SoBeautifulItsACurse they believed her grace and divinity would "rub off" on them]], forever asking her for favors, trying to take various tokens from her like buttons, cast off clothes, locks of hair, and begged her for blessings despite the fact she kept trying to explain that she couldn't do that. Throughout all this, her adoptive father let it happen -- indeed, subtly encouraged it -- because he was caught up in visions of the renown he would receive after she went on to be a nun in an order dedicated to his god, and thusly he was incredibly strict with her. When she thought she found a boy who loved her, she gave her virginity to him and became pregnant, only for him to abandon her. Her father became furious and treated her like an outcast when he discovered she was pregnant, and then, when she gave birth, her baby was stillborn and horrifically deformed, because her former swain had unknowingly seduced her in what was actually an old shrine to Lamashtu, goddess of monsters, miscarriages and deformities. Is it really any wonder that all of the above, combined with the [[MindRape psychic emanations from an evil artifact buried under the town]], caused her to go insane, murder her adoptive father, burn down his chapel and run away to become a worshipper of Lamashtu, eventually returning to Sandpoint with the intent of murdering its inhabitants to fuel her transformation from an aasimar into a demon?demon?
* In some ways, the Wyrm from ''TabletopGame/WerewolfTheApocalypse'' is this. Originally the cosmic principle of Destruction, bringing things to a blessed end, he was imprisoned in the webs of reality by his sister, the Weaver, when she went mad and wanted to stop him from breaking all her toys. Because the webs were too tight, this effectively turned him gangrenous and mad, shifting his purpose from blessed destruction to rot without end. The Wyrm is essentially a broken, poisoned thing trying to rot the world away so that its pain will stop.
4th Aug '16 5:23:12 AM Leliel
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** 2nd Edition removes some of Centimani's DarkIsNotEvil aspects-it's now explicitly the refinement of ''giving up'' on the New Dawn, to the point where a Centimanus can't progress on the Pilgrimage until they turn away from Flux. That also means the WoobieDestroyerOfWorld aspects are [[UpToEleven steroids]], with ''both'' of the statted Centimani being extremely tragic characters; the [[BeastMan Huntsman]] was a Galateid driven insane by constant rejection, so when he saw a boy playing with his dog, he became convinced Centimani was the only path to that simple bond with Pandorans; he's noted to even [[NightmareFetishist treat them like beloved house pets]], actually viewing other Freaks as rivals because they might take his bond away. The [[EvilMentor Scholar]] failed the New Dawn ''repeatedly'', hurling past the DespairEventHorizon and deciding that, against all evidence, it wasn't possible. It's gotten to the point where she actively ''destroys'' sources of hope, because she can't bear to be reminded of how far she's fallen.

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** 2nd Edition removes some of Centimani's DarkIsNotEvil aspects-it's now explicitly the refinement of ''giving up'' on the New Dawn, to the point where a Centimanus can't progress on the Pilgrimage until they turn away from Flux. That also means the WoobieDestroyerOfWorld Woobie Destroyer Of Worlds aspects are [[UpToEleven on steroids]], with ''both'' of the statted Centimani being extremely tragic characters; the [[BeastMan Huntsman]] was a Galateid driven insane by constant rejection, so when he saw a boy playing with his dog, he became convinced Centimani was the only path to that simple bond with Pandorans; he's noted to even [[NightmareFetishist treat them like beloved house pets]], actually viewing other Freaks as rivals because they might take his bond away. The [[EvilMentor Scholar]] failed the New Dawn ''repeatedly'', hurling past the DespairEventHorizon and deciding that, against all evidence, it wasn't possible. It's gotten to the point where she actively ''destroys'' sources of hope, because she can't bear to be reminded of how far she's fallen.
4th Aug '16 5:22:11 AM Leliel
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** 2nd Edition removes some of Centimani's DarkIsNotEvil aspects-it's now explicitly the refinement of ''giving up'' on the New Dawn, to the point where a Centimanus can't progress on the Pilgrimage until they turn away from Flux. That also means the WoobieDestroyerOfWorld aspects are [[UpToEleven steroids]], with ''both'' of the statted Centimani being extremely tragic characters; the [[BeastMan Huntsman]] was a Galateid driven insane by constant rejection, so when he saw a boy playing with his dog, he became convinced Centimani was the only path to that simple bond with Pandorans; he's noted to even [[NightmareFetishist treat them like beloved house pets]], actually viewing other Freaks as rivals because they might take his bond away. The [[EvilMentor Scholar]] failed the New Dawn ''repeatedly'', hurling past the DespairEventHorizon and deciding that, against all evidence, it wasn't possible. It's gotten to the point where she actively ''destroys'' sources of hope, because she can't bear to be reminded of how far she's fallen.
2nd Jul '16 1:35:59 PM Ilya_Rysenkov
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** Horus himself was shown [[PropheciesAreAlwaysRight a vision]] of two possible futures of the Imperium, [[CrapsackWorld both of them horrible]]. [[SadisticChoice Choosing what he thinks is the less horrible one]], Horus attempts to overthrow the Emperor in order to fulfill it, but things [[SelfFulfillingProphesy don't quite go as planned.]]

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** Horus himself was shown [[PropheciesAreAlwaysRight a vision]] of two possible futures of the Imperium, [[CrapsackWorld both of them horrible]]. [[SadisticChoice Choosing what he thinks is the less horrible one]], Horus attempts to overthrow the Emperor in order to fulfill it, but things [[SelfFulfillingProphesy [[SelfFulfillingProphecy don't quite go as planned.]]
2nd Jul '16 1:31:28 PM Ilya_Rysenkov
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** Horus himself was shown [[PropheciesAreAlwaysRight a vision]] of two possible futures of the Imperium, [[CrapsackWorld both of them horrible]]. [[SadisticChoice Choosing what he thinks is the less horrible one]], Horus attempts to overthrow the Emperor in order to fulfill it, but things [[SelFulfillingProphesy don't quite go as planned.]]

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** Horus himself was shown [[PropheciesAreAlwaysRight a vision]] of two possible futures of the Imperium, [[CrapsackWorld both of them horrible]]. [[SadisticChoice Choosing what he thinks is the less horrible one]], Horus attempts to overthrow the Emperor in order to fulfill it, but things [[SelFulfillingProphesy [[SelfFulfillingProphesy don't quite go as planned.]]
2nd Jul '16 1:26:12 PM Ilya_Rysenkov
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** Horus himself was shown [[PropheciesAreAlwaysRight a vision]] of two possible futures of the Imperium, [[CrapsackWorld both of them horrible]]. [[SadisticChoice Choosing what he thinks is the less horrible one]], Horus attempts to overthrow the Emperor in order to fulfill it, but things [[SelFulfillingPhrophesy don't quite go as planned.]]

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** Horus himself was shown [[PropheciesAreAlwaysRight a vision]] of two possible futures of the Imperium, [[CrapsackWorld both of them horrible]]. [[SadisticChoice Choosing what he thinks is the less horrible one]], Horus attempts to overthrow the Emperor in order to fulfill it, but things [[SelFulfillingPhrophesy [[SelFulfillingProphesy don't quite go as planned.]]
2nd Jul '16 1:25:08 PM Ilya_Rysenkov
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* In ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}'', the Literature/HorusHeresy was a galaxy-spanning civil war between the loyal followers of the GodEmperor and the traitorous followers of [[TheCorruption Chaos]], shattering the Imperium (from which it still hasn't fully recovered even ten thousand years later) and ultimately dooming the galaxy to a slow, painful death. And yet all of those who rebelled had very legitimate reasons [[MotiveDecay at first]], often falling into this trope:

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* In ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}'', the Literature/HorusHeresy was a galaxy-spanning civil war between the loyal followers of the GodEmperor and the traitorous followers of [[TheCorruption Chaos]], shattering the Imperium (from which it still hasn't fully recovered even ten thousand years later) and ultimately dooming the galaxy to a slow, painful death. And yet all most of those who rebelled had very legitimate reasons [[MotiveDecay at first]], often falling into this trope:



** Horus himself was shown [[PropheciesAreAlwaysRight a vision]] of two possible futures of the Imperium, [[CrapsackWorld both of them horrible]]. [[SadisticChoice Choosing what he thinks is the less horrible one]], Horus attempts to overthrow the Emperor in order to fulfill it, but things don't quite go as planned.

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** Horus himself was shown [[PropheciesAreAlwaysRight a vision]] of two possible futures of the Imperium, [[CrapsackWorld both of them horrible]]. [[SadisticChoice Choosing what he thinks is the less horrible one]], Horus attempts to overthrow the Emperor in order to fulfill it, but things [[SelFulfillingPhrophesy don't quite go as planned.]]


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** Fulgrim was one of the most loyal sons of the Emperor, and the only reason he turned to Chaos is that when he purged Laer, the alien world with the race that served Slaanesh, he took Daemon blade, not knowing what it was, and the daemon gradually corrupted him to the point that he killed Ferrus Manus, his most beloved brother. When Fulgrim understood what he has done, he tried to commit suicide, but daemon tricked to give it control over Fulgrim's body. Though Fulgrim later overwhelmed daemon and banished it from his body, it finished his corruption to Slaanesh.
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