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29th Jan '16 10:11:40 AM gophergiggles
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* In ''WesternAnimation/DougsFirstMovie'', the way the Robo Crusher is gunned down is surprisingly cruel and graphic, and entirely PlayedForLaughs. During his review of it, ''WebVideo/TheNostalgiaCritic'' points out that it's actually hard to watch ''and'' that he feels incredibly sorry for it.
7th Jan '16 10:15:36 PM nombretomado
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* In ''TheSpectacularSpiderman'' after Peter frees himself from the Symbiont, the first he does is try to destroy it. Sure, the Symbiont attempted to take control over him, turned him into a jerk and nearly pushed him to killing Dr. Octopus, but then many, if not all, of his human or meta-human enemies have repeatedly tried to murder him, endangered other people and comitted all kinds of crimes, and yet he never entertained the idea of killing any of them. But with the Symbiont he decides that "it's too dangerous, it could fall into the wrong hands" and BAM, it's deep freeze time, nevermind that "it" is also a sentient being!
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* In ''TheSpectacularSpiderman'' ''WesternAnimation/TheSpectacularSpiderman'' after Peter frees himself from the Symbiont, the first he does is try to destroy it. Sure, the Symbiont attempted to take control over him, turned him into a jerk and nearly pushed him to killing Dr. Octopus, but then many, if not all, of his human or meta-human enemies have repeatedly tried to murder him, endangered other people and comitted all kinds of crimes, and yet he never entertained the idea of killing any of them. But with the Symbiont he decides that "it's too dangerous, it could fall into the wrong hands" and BAM, it's deep freeze time, nevermind that "it" is also a sentient being!
6th Jan '16 10:12:18 PM portaljumper339
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* ''WesternAnimation/StevenUniverse'' plays around with this trope in the form of why the Crystal Gems are on Earth. Initially it seems like they are there to just protect humanity and they fight a series of nightmarish monsters to ensure that they don't harm people. However, as the series progresses, it becomes far more apparent that the Crystal Gems are more indebted and in-service to the ''planet'' and not just humanity (as they consider all the life on Earth sacred), and the reveal [[spoiler: that the monsters they've been fighting are corrupted forms of their own species that they have no method to heal blurs the line on just how "human" their adversaries are.]] Later gets [[ZigzaggedTrope Zig Zagged]] when [[spoiler: Homeworld Gems start showing up as adversaries, who are treated with just as much hostility as the monstrous enemies despite being humanoid.]] ** [[spoiler: Peridot]] tries to use this argument in the episode "It Could've Been Great" when describing [[spoiler: how Rose Quartz's rebellion against the Homeworld prevented the development of the Earth Gem Colony and sacrificed the lives of potentially hundreds of thousands or millions of Gems that could've been made there.]] What [[spoiler: Perdiot]] forgot to account for was the the Earth already harbored life, [[spoiler: so its development as a colony would've killed everything on the planet for the sake of their species, essentially throwing her own argument back at her.]]
10th Nov '15 6:01:13 PM nombretomado
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*** As far as robots go, this trope seems to be ZigZagged based on the RuleOfFunny. In a different episode, robots are shown to be able to vote in elections -- and in fact, because they vastly outnumber humans, the robot vote turns out to be the sole deciding factor in choosing the next [[OneWorldOrder President of Earth]]. RichardNixon (ItMakesSenseInContext) ends up winning without getting a single ''human'' vote, merely by being popular with the robots, and he remains the President for the rest of the series after that point.
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*** As far as robots go, this trope seems to be ZigZagged based on the RuleOfFunny. In a different episode, robots are shown to be able to vote in elections -- and in fact, because they vastly outnumber humans, the robot vote turns out to be the sole deciding factor in choosing the next [[OneWorldOrder President of Earth]]. RichardNixon UsefulNotes/RichardNixon (ItMakesSenseInContext) ends up winning without getting a single ''human'' vote, merely by being popular with the robots, and he remains the President for the rest of the series after that point.
13th Aug '15 7:48:19 PM MechWarrior
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* In the second episode of ''WesternAnimation/AvengersAssemble'', the Avengers indiscriminately kill the attacking Space Phantoms, despite the creatures displaying sentience and the ability to speak. They do the same thing to an army of vampires in a later episode. It is however worth noting that the show is heavily inspired by the MarvelCinematicUniverse, where the heroes generally have [[AvertedTrope no]] [[ThouShaltNotKill qualms with killing their enemies]].
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* In the second episode of ''WesternAnimation/AvengersAssemble'', the Avengers indiscriminately kill the attacking Space Phantoms, despite the creatures displaying sentience and the ability to speak. They do the same thing to an army of vampires in a later episode. It is however worth noting that the show is heavily inspired by the MarvelCinematicUniverse, Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse, where the heroes generally have [[AvertedTrope no]] [[ThouShaltNotKill qualms with killing their enemies]].
20th Jul '15 4:15:34 PM Peteman
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** Humorously enough, one episode had Matrix ruthlessly destroy a bunch of robot drones after confirming that they didn't have personality chips. Later on in the episode, [=AndrAia=] asks if another Guardian's drone had a personality chip, and the robot runs off terrified.
20th Jul '15 3:50:28 PM DeisTheAlcano
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* WesternAnimation/{{Ben 10}} starts playing "the hypocrite type" about this at the beginning of the series and later really straight in its sequels. In the earlier episodes of original series,you can accurately predict how much violence is inflicted on an enemy based on how humanlike they are. Actual humans are merely subdued, but non-complex life forms and Vilgax's "sentient robots" are often exploded on screen, though not graphically detailed. This becomes especially awkward when you realize that, thanks to the very nature of the powers of the Omnitrix, Ben himself isn't human half the time!
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* WesternAnimation/{{Ben 10}} ''WesternAnimation/{{Ben 10}}'' starts playing "the hypocrite type" about this at the beginning of the series and later really straight in its sequels. In the earlier episodes of original series,you can accurately predict how much violence is inflicted on an enemy based on how humanlike they are. Actual humans are merely subdued, but non-complex life forms and Vilgax's "sentient robots" are often exploded on screen, though not graphically detailed. This becomes especially awkward when you realize that, thanks to the very nature of the powers of the Omnitrix, Ben himself isn't human half the time!

*** In the {{time skip}}ped ''Alien Force'', Gwen scolds Kevin that "You hit him too hard!" when he decks a guard. Kevin placates her with, "Not him. It." and removes the holographic mask disguising the parasite alien as a human. This could be potentially problematic, as a later episode reveals that these aliens are in fact [[TheVirus humans taken over by alien parasites]], and the Omnitrix is ''capable of reversing the transformation.'' In the SeasonFinale, Ben states that they never actually kill any of them for that reason, and he then starts using the Omnitrix to cure them on a large scale (why [[ForgottenPhlebotinum he forgot about that until now]] is anyone guess). He did remember it once before the season finale. The difference is he didn't have the Master Control unlocked, letting him do whatever the fuck he wanted with the Omnitrix. He was limited to skin contact before that. *** Ben's BerserkButton is activated at full force when Agreggor kills a group of aliens in front of him, to the point of needing his cousin's powers to chill him down.
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*** In Continuing the {{time skip}}ped ''Alien Force'', trend, Gwen scolds Kevin that "You hit him too hard!" when he decks a guard. Kevin placates her with, "Not him. It." and removes the holographic mask disguising the parasite alien as a human. This could be potentially problematic, as a later episode reveals that these aliens are in fact [[TheVirus humans taken over by alien parasites]], and the Omnitrix is ''capable of reversing the transformation.'' In the SeasonFinale, Ben states that they never actually kill any of them for that reason, and he then starts using the Omnitrix to cure them on a large scale (why [[ForgottenPhlebotinum he forgot about that until now]] is anyone guess). He did remember it once before though only in the season finale. The difference is finale as he didn't have the Master Control unlocked, letting him do whatever the fuck he wanted with the Omnitrix. He was limited to skin contact before that. *** ** In ''WesternAnimation/Ben10UltimateAlien'', Ben's BerserkButton is activated at full force when Agreggor kills a group of aliens in front of him, to the point of needing his cousin's powers to chill him down.down. So it's safe to assume that only bad aliens deserve a beatdown from his part.
4th Jul '15 3:51:10 AM gophergiggles
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* A case of What Measure is a Non-Equine in the ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'' episode "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS3E3TooManyPinkiePies Too Many Pinkie Pies]]". They seemed to be sentient with a full range of emotions (''especially'' the first one), but the ponies didn't even think twice about zapping them into oblivion. Needless to say, some of the FanArt and FanFiction about the episode is downright [[NightmareFuel terrifying]].
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* A case of What Measure is a Non-Equine in the ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'' episode "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS3E3TooManyPinkiePies Too Many Pinkie Pies]]". They seemed to be sentient with a full range of emotions (''especially'' the first one), but the ponies didn't even think twice about zapping them into oblivion. Needless to say, some of the FanArt and FanFiction about the episode is downright [[NightmareFuel terrifying]].terrifying]], with some fans going far enough to consider it the [[MoralEventHorizon most evil act in the entire series]].
18th Jun '15 8:29:03 AM MechWarrior
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* ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsTheCloneWars'' has the same problems with battledroids and sometimes Clone Troopers as shown in the films, but the show went to absurdly lengths with the Geonosians from Attack of the Clones. Like in the film they get casually sliced in halves by Jedi and Clones even use Flamethrowers to set them on fire with them even screaming and running away, all of it ON SCREEN. It is never explained why they get so brutally treatment in comparison to like every other species. You see Jedi cutting off heads and arms of clone troopers in ''Revenge of the Sith'', but nowhere they explain why they have to slice Geonosians whole body VERTICALLY.
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* ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsTheCloneWars'' has the same problems with battledroids and sometimes Clone Troopers as shown in the films, but the show went to absurdly absurd lengths with the Geonosians from Attack of the Clones. Like in the film they get casually sliced in halves by Jedi and Clones even use Flamethrowers to set them on fire with them even screaming and running away, all of it ON SCREEN. It is never explained why they get so brutally such brutal treatment in comparison to like just about every other species. You see Jedi cutting off the heads and arms of clone troopers in ''Revenge of the Sith'', but nowhere they explain why they have to slice Geonosians whole body VERTICALLY.

* While ''WesternAnimation/ReBoot'' ''tries'' to treat the Bi-Nomes like actual people, the show falls victim to this trope. Whenever someone needs to die, Bi-Nome. Need victims for a lost game, Bi-Nomes. Need someone to play RedShirt against Megabyte, Bi-Nome.
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* While ''WesternAnimation/ReBoot'' ''tries'' to treat the Bi-Nomes like actual people, the show falls victim to this trope. Whenever someone Someone needs to die, die? Bi-Nome. Need victims for a lost game, game? Bi-Nomes. Need someone to play RedShirt against Megabyte, Megabyte? Bi-Nome.

* In the second episode of ''WesternAnimation/AvengersAssemble'', the Avengers indiscriminately kill the attacking Space Phantoms, despite the creatures displaying sentience and the ability to speak. They do the same thing to an army of vampires in a later episode. It is however worth noting that the show is heavily inspired by the MarvelCinematicUniverse, where the heroes generally have [[ThouShaltNotKill no qualms with killing their enemies]].
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* In the second episode of ''WesternAnimation/AvengersAssemble'', the Avengers indiscriminately kill the attacking Space Phantoms, despite the creatures displaying sentience and the ability to speak. They do the same thing to an army of vampires in a later episode. It is however worth noting that the show is heavily inspired by the MarvelCinematicUniverse, where the heroes generally have [[AvertedTrope no]] [[ThouShaltNotKill no qualms with killing their enemies]].

* Discussed and averted in TheAvengersUnitedTheyStand episode "Remnants." The Avengers consider killing the robots they discover on the island, but aren't sure if the robots matter morally or not and decide to avoid killing them until they can be sure. [[spoiler: Eventually they discover that the robots will kill everyone else on Earth and have the UN nuke the island. They deeply regret the robots' deaths and feel just as bad as if they had been forced to kill humans.]]
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* Discussed and averted in TheAvengersUnitedTheyStand WesternAnimation/TheAvengersUnitedTheyStand episode "Remnants." The Avengers consider killing the robots they discover on the island, but aren't sure if the robots matter morally or not and decide to avoid killing them until they can be sure. [[spoiler: Eventually they discover that the robots will kill everyone else on Earth and have the UN nuke the island. They deeply regret the robots' deaths and feel just as bad as if they had been forced to kill humans.]]
18th Jun '15 8:22:55 AM MechWarrior
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* [[Franchise/{{Transformers}} Optimus Prime]] has a very clear opinion on this, with his famous "Freedom is the right of all sentient beings" motto. The series, though, have sometimes defined sentience in an unsatisfying way - [[OurSoulsAreDifferent not having a spark]] renders you a 'drone' even if said 'drone' clearly thinks and feels. In a non-canon series of ''WesternAnimation/TransformersAnimated'' comics (with a few OutOfCharacter moments, though mostly confined to Megatron being generically evil instead of a MagnificentBastard) Bumblebee is told by Optimus not to mourn for [[spoiler:Afterburn]] because he was a sparkless drone, and it's not clear who is right ([[spoiler:Afterburn]] appears to think and feel, and Bumblebee cared about him and it sure seems a {{Jerkass}} move to callously tell him that the friend he just saw torn in half was just a drone and thus not worth any worry, but he ''was'' a [[spoiler:Decepticon infiltrator, only pretending to be friends with Bee or ''anybody,'' was killed by Megatron in a YouHaveFailedMe moment, and could ''well'' have been acting according to the "make nice with the mark" programming you'd expect an advanced but nonsentient infiltration-bot to have. And since whether he was real or not, any friendship he had with the Autobots clearly wasn't, he kinda ''isn't'' worth crying over either way.]] Still, be nice to [[TheWoobie poor Bee]], huh?) * Human characters who don't regard ''Franchise/{{Transformers}}'' as sentient beings are, in general, not treated sympathetically by any series in the franchise. However, it's apparently okay for younger viewers to see a Transformer die, even in a time slot where killing off a human character would bring down the wrath of the [[MediaWatchdog Media Watchdogs]] upon all involved. This may be more of a method of GettingCrapPastTheRadar. ** The Dinobots in ''Animated''. After the incident that gives them the ability to function on their own, Prowl is the only one to suspect that they're truly alive. They are huge, lumbering, and destructive, and Prowl is shocked when, after their defeat, Optimus Prime agrees with the decision to melt them down. [[spoiler: So he and Bulkhead sneak out in the middle of the night and transport the Dinobots to a forested island where, concealed by holograms, they can live peacefully.]] Later, [[CorruptCorporateExecutive Porter C. Powell]] argued that since Transformers have no legal status, it's not a crime to do anything to them. (He's a {{Jerkass}}, and we're not meant to agree with him.) Later, they use their lack of legal status to threaten (and eat) him with impunity. (Don't worry, Grimlock spits him back out unharmed; these are the ''Autobots'' we're talking about.) *** It has more to do with the fact that Grimlock has good taste, and with all the hair product necessary to keep his rockin' mullet in place, Porter C. Powell probably tastes horrible.
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* In ''Franchise/{{Transformers}}'': ** [[Franchise/{{Transformers}} Optimus Prime]] has a very clear opinion on this, with his famous "Freedom is the right of all sentient beings" motto. The series, though, have sometimes defined sentience in an unsatisfying way - [[OurSoulsAreDifferent not having a spark]] renders you a 'drone' even if said 'drone' clearly thinks and feels. In a non-canon series of ''WesternAnimation/TransformersAnimated'' comics (with a few OutOfCharacter moments, though mostly confined to Megatron being generically evil instead of a MagnificentBastard) Bumblebee is told by Optimus not to mourn for [[spoiler:Afterburn]] because he was a sparkless drone, and it's not clear who is right ([[spoiler:Afterburn]] appears to think and feel, and Bumblebee cared about him and it sure seems a {{Jerkass}} move to callously tell him that the friend he just saw torn in half was just a drone and thus not worth any worry, but he ''was'' a [[spoiler:Decepticon infiltrator, only pretending to be friends with Bee or ''anybody,'' was killed by Megatron in a YouHaveFailedMe moment, and could ''well'' have been acting according to the "make nice with the mark" programming you'd expect an advanced but nonsentient infiltration-bot to have. And since whether he was real or not, any friendship he had with the Autobots clearly wasn't, he kinda ''isn't'' worth crying over either way.]] Still, be nice to [[TheWoobie poor Bee]], huh?) * ** Human characters who don't regard ''Franchise/{{Transformers}}'' Cybertronians as sentient beings are, in general, not treated sympathetically by any series in the franchise. However, it's apparently okay for younger viewers to see a Transformer die, even in a time slot where killing off a human character would bring down the wrath of the [[MediaWatchdog Media Watchdogs]] upon all involved. This may be more of a method of GettingCrapPastTheRadar. ** *** The Dinobots in ''Animated''. After the incident that gives them the ability to function on their own, Prowl is the only one to suspect that they're truly alive. They are huge, lumbering, and destructive, and Prowl is shocked when, after their defeat, Optimus Prime agrees with the decision to melt them down. [[spoiler: So he and Bulkhead sneak out in the middle of the night and transport the Dinobots to a forested island where, concealed by holograms, they can live peacefully.]] Later, [[CorruptCorporateExecutive Porter C. Powell]] argued that since Transformers have no legal status, it's not a crime to do anything to them. (He's a {{Jerkass}}, and we're not meant to agree with him.) Later, they use their lack of legal status to threaten (and eat) him with impunity. (Don't worry, Grimlock spits him back out unharmed; these are the ''Autobots'' we're talking about.) *** **** It has more to do with the fact that Grimlock has good taste, and with all the hair product necessary to keep his rockin' mullet in place, Porter C. Powell probably tastes horrible.
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