History WhatMeasureIsANonHuman / WesternAnimation

11th Jul '17 1:59:34 PM Chytus
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** [[Franchise/{{Transformers}} Optimus Prime]] has a very clear opinion on this, with his famous "Freedom is the right of all sentient beings" motto. The series, though, have sometimes defined sentience in an unsatisfying way - [[OurSoulsAreDifferent not having a spark]] renders you a 'drone' even if said 'drone' clearly thinks and feels. In a non-canon series of ''WesternAnimation/TransformersAnimated'' comics (with a few OutOfCharacter moments, though mostly confined to Megatron being generically evil instead of a MagnificentBastard) Bumblebee is told by Optimus not to mourn for [[spoiler:Afterburn]] because he was a sparkless drone, and it's not clear who is right ([[spoiler:Afterburn]] appears to think and feel, and Bumblebee cared about him and it sure seems a {{Jerkass}} move to callously tell him that the friend he just saw torn in half was just a drone and thus not worth any worry, but he ''was'' a [[spoiler:Decepticon infiltrator, only pretending to be friends with Bee or ''anybody,'' was killed by Megatron in a YouHaveFailedMe moment, and could ''well'' have been acting according to the "make nice with the mark" programming you'd expect an advanced but nonsentient infiltration-bot to have. And since whether he was real or not, any friendship he had with the Autobots clearly wasn't, he kinda ''isn't'' worth crying over either way.]] Still, be nice to [[TheWoobie poor Bee]], huh?)
** In the original ''WesternAnimation/TheTransformers'', Optimus Prime uses a device called "Dominator Disks" to force the Constructicons to help him against their will. As TFwiki stats:
-->'''TFwiki:'''Prime sure goes along with the notion of enslaving one of his enemies pretty readily, huh? What happened to his ol' "Freedom is the Right of All Sentient Beings" schtick?

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** [[Franchise/{{Transformers}} Optimus Prime]] Prime has a very clear opinion on this, with his famous "Freedom is the right of all sentient beings" motto. The series, though, have sometimes defined sentience in an unsatisfying way - [[OurSoulsAreDifferent not having a spark]] renders you a 'drone' even if said 'drone' clearly thinks and feels. In a non-canon series of ''WesternAnimation/TransformersAnimated'' comics (with a few OutOfCharacter moments, though mostly confined to Megatron being generically evil instead of a MagnificentBastard) Bumblebee is told by Optimus not to mourn for [[spoiler:Afterburn]] because he was a sparkless drone, and it's not clear who is right ([[spoiler:Afterburn]] appears to think and feel, and Bumblebee cared about him and it sure seems a {{Jerkass}} move to callously tell him that the friend he just saw torn in half was just a drone and thus not worth any worry, but he ''was'' a [[spoiler:Decepticon infiltrator, only pretending to be friends with Bee or ''anybody,'' was killed by Megatron in a YouHaveFailedMe moment, and could ''well'' have been acting according to the "make nice with the mark" programming you'd expect an advanced but nonsentient infiltration-bot to have. And since whether he was real or not, any friendship he had with the Autobots clearly wasn't, he kinda ''isn't'' worth crying over either way.]] Still, be nice to [[TheWoobie poor Bee]], huh?)
** In the original ''WesternAnimation/TheTransformers'', Optimus Prime uses a device called "Dominator Disks" to force the Constructicons to help him against their will. As TFwiki stats:
-->'''TFwiki:'''Prime
[=TFwiki=] states:
-->'''Wiki/TFWikiDotNet:'''Prime
sure goes along with the notion of enslaving one of his enemies pretty readily, huh? What happened to his ol' "Freedom is the Right of All Sentient Beings" schtick?



*** The Dinobots in ''Animated''. After the incident that gives them the ability to function on their own, Prowl is the only one to suspect that they're truly alive. They are huge, lumbering, and destructive, and Prowl is shocked when, after their defeat, Optimus Prime agrees with the decision to melt them down. [[spoiler: So he and Bulkhead sneak out in the middle of the night and transport the Dinobots to a forested island where, concealed by holograms, they can live peacefully.]] Later, [[CorruptCorporateExecutive Porter C. Powell]] argued that since Transformers have no legal status, it's not a crime to do anything to them. (He's a {{Jerkass}}, and we're not meant to agree with him.) Later, they use their lack of legal status to threaten (and eat) him with impunity. (Don't worry, Grimlock spits him back out unharmed; these are the ''Autobots'' we're talking about.)
*** It has more to do with the fact that Grimlock has good taste, and with all the hair product necessary to keep his rockin' mullet in place, Porter C. Powell probably tastes horrible.

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*** ** The Dinobots in ''Animated''. After the incident that gives them the ability to function on their own, Prowl is the only one to suspect that they're truly alive. They are huge, lumbering, and destructive, and Prowl is shocked when, after their defeat, Optimus Prime agrees with the decision to melt them down. [[spoiler: So he and Bulkhead sneak out in the middle of the night and transport the Dinobots to a forested island where, concealed by holograms, they can live peacefully.]] Later, [[CorruptCorporateExecutive Porter C. Powell]] argued that since Transformers have no legal status, it's not a crime to do anything to them. (He's a {{Jerkass}}, and we're not meant to agree with him.) Later, they use their lack of legal status to threaten (and eat) him with impunity. (Don't worry, Grimlock spits him back out unharmed; these are the ''Autobots'' we're talking about.)
*** It has more to do with the fact that Grimlock has good taste, and with all the hair product necessary to keep his rockin' mullet in place, Porter C. Powell probably tastes horrible.
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8th Jul '17 2:38:16 PM CG-Druid
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* The gargoyles in the series ''Gargoyles'' are also held by many humans for monsters, although there were in the entire series just two nasty gargoyles, but many evil humans.

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* The gargoyles in the series ''Gargoyles'' ''WesternAnimation/{{Gargoyles}}'' are also held by many humans for monsters, although there were in the entire series just two nasty gargoyles, but many evil humans.
22nd May '17 2:57:20 AM gophergiggles
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* A case of What Measure is a Non-Equine in the ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'' episode "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS3E3TooManyPinkiePies Too Many Pinkie Pies]]". Some of them could talk, and the ones who couldn't talk could understand complex speech, but the ponies didn't even think twice about zapping them into oblivion. Needless to say, some of the FanArt and FanFiction about the episode is downright [[NightmareFuel terrifying]], with some fans going far enough to consider it the [[MoralEventHorizon most evil act in the entire series]].

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* A case of What Measure is a Non-Equine in the ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'' episode "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS3E3TooManyPinkiePies Too Many Pinkie Pies]]". Some of them could talk, and the ones who couldn't talk could still understand complex speech, they were fully capable of learning (particularly the first one that was around longer than the rest) and even felt emotions (again, the first one was devastated that she was missing "fun" events and the last one to be zapped looked [[https://derpibooru.org/450042 notably scared]]), but the ponies didn't even think twice about zapping them into oblivion. Needless to say, some of the FanArt and FanFiction about the episode is downright [[NightmareFuel terrifying]], with some fans going far enough to consider it the [[MoralEventHorizon most evil act in the entire series]]. A CallBack in a later episode showed that [[https://derpibooru.org/1159462 one escaped]] and has since gone on to make a life for herself in another town, seemingly cementing that they [[ReallyWasBornYesterday Really Were Born Yesterday]] rather than "mindless copies".
1st May '17 8:10:13 AM TrollMan
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** Still, the extent of carnage and violence in which Tartakovsky indulged under sole excuse of this trope is unsettling. It's not just that robots can be killed on-screen - they can be killed in ''horrifying'' ways on screen. They are burned, dissolved in acid, disemboweled in slow-mo, cannibalised and ''devoured alive by a huge monster''. At this they sometimes clearly express emotions, namely pain and horror, and other times they look exactly like living beings right until the moment of death.

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** Still, the extent of carnage and violence in which Tartakovsky indulged under sole excuse of this trope is unsettling. It's not just that robots can be killed on-screen - they can be killed in ''horrifying'' ways on screen. They are burned, dissolved in acid, disemboweled disembowelled in slow-mo, cannibalised cannibalized and ''devoured alive by a huge monster''. At this they sometimes clearly express emotions, namely pain and horror, and other times they look exactly like living beings right until the moment of death.death.
** However, in the DarkerAndEdgier fifth season revival, the trope is deconstructed, as Jack delivers a lethal blow on what he thinks is another one of Aku's robots, only to be shocked when blood spills out instead of oil. The mask of his assailant drops off and underneath is just a normal human being. He later struggles with the knowledge that he killed a real person, and has to convince himself that it's justifiable to kill people in self-defence. Later, the show's tendency to have a seemingly organic being turn out to be a robot when killed was inverted, with what the audience is led to believe is a robot is actually a man in a metal suit, but he still gets killed.
29th Apr '17 10:30:47 AM nombretomado
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** To be fair, the people in the movies are unaware of the appliances being alive. ThomasTheTankEngine, on the other hand...(see below).

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** To be fair, the people in the movies are unaware of the appliances being alive. ThomasTheTankEngine, WesternAnimation/ThomasTheTankEngine, on the other hand...(see below).
8th Apr '17 7:19:05 PM Shadao
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-> "''We've never killed a human before, have we? Sure, mountains of robot corpses."''
-->-- '''Inner Jack''' mocking Jack's traumatic experience of killing a human being for the first time after 50 years of fighting, ''WesternAnimation/SamuraiJack''

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-> "''We've never killed a human before, have we? Sure, mountains '''mountains of robot corpses.''' But this... This was the first human being. Real flesh and blood."''
-->-- '''Inner Jack''' mocking Jack's traumatic experience of killing a human being for the first time after 50 years of fighting, Jack''', ''WesternAnimation/SamuraiJack''
8th Apr '17 7:16:31 PM Shadao
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-->-- '''Inner Jack''' mocking Jack's traumatic experience of killing a human being for the first time, ''WesternAnimation/SamuraiJack''

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-->-- '''Inner Jack''' mocking Jack's traumatic experience of killing a human being for the first time, time after 50 years of fighting, ''WesternAnimation/SamuraiJack''
8th Apr '17 7:15:28 PM Shadao
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-> "''We've never killed a human before, have we? Sure, mountains of robot corpses."''
-->-- '''Inner Jack''' mocking Jack's traumatic experience of killing a human being for the first time, ''WesternAnimation/SamuraiJack''
9th Mar '17 9:47:49 AM TommyTiger
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* ''WesternAnimation/SpongeBobSquarePants'' [[MoralEventHorizon feeds]] a talking worm to his adopted baby scallop.

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* ''WesternAnimation/SpongeBobSquarePants'' [[MoralEventHorizon feeds]] feeds a talking worm to his adopted baby scallop.
25th Jan '17 12:57:36 PM ectostar
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** However, all this may be LifeIsCheap played for laughs. Respect for sentient life in general is pretty poor. In fact, aliens come to Earth to steal noses as an aphrodisiac and nobody really cares, Earth is invaded multiple times over fairly trivial things with zero political fallout, and suicide booths are on almost every corner.

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** However, all this may be LifeIsCheap InsignificantLittleBluePlanet played for laughs. Respect for sentient life in general is pretty poor. In fact, aliens come to Earth to steal noses as an aphrodisiac and nobody really cares, Earth is invaded multiple times over fairly trivial things with zero political fallout, and suicide booths are on almost every corner.
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