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* Ren and Stimpy was one of the shows John K. and Creator/RalphBakshi pitched to Creator/{{CBS}} in 1987. CBS turned them down, wanting a show based on a recognizable IP, leading to a frustrated Bakshi pitching ''WesternAnimation/MightyMouseTheNewAdventures.
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* Ren and Stimpy was one of the shows John K. and Creator/RalphBakshi pitched to Creator/{{CBS}} in 1987. CBS turned them down, wanting a show based on a recognizable IP, leading to a frustrated Bakshi pitching ''WesternAnimation/MightyMouseTheNewAdventures.''WesternAnimation/MightyMouseTheNewAdventures''.
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* Ren and Stimpy was one of the shows John K. and Ralph Bakshi pitched to Creator/{{CBS}} in 1987. CBS turned them down, wanting a show based on a recognizable IP, leading to a frustrated Bakshi pitching ''WesternAnimation/MightyMouseTheNewAdventures.
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* Ren and Stimpy was one of the shows John K. and Ralph Bakshi Creator/RalphBakshi pitched to Creator/{{CBS}} in 1987. CBS turned them down, wanting a show based on a recognizable IP, leading to a frustrated Bakshi pitching ''WesternAnimation/MightyMouseTheNewAdventures.
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* Ren and Stimpy were originally just going to be background characters for a different show John K. pitched to Nick called ''Your Gang'' (initially called ''Cartoon Cavalcade''). After Nick refused to let him keep the rights to the show if they bought it, he decided to just do one with the two background characters, as he felt losing the rights to two characters he only kind of liked was better than losing the rights to the other characters he was very attached to.
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* Ren and Stimpy was one of the shows John K. and Ralph Bakshi pitched to Creator/{{CBS}} in 1987. CBS turned them down, wanting a show based on a recognizable IP, leading to a frustrated Bakshi pitching ''WesternAnimation/MightyMouseTheNewAdventures.
*Ren and Stimpy were originally just going to be background characters for a different show John K. pitched to Nick called ''Your Gang'' (initially called ''Cartoon Cavalcade''). After Nick refused to let him keep the rights to the show if they bought it, he decided to just do one with the two background characters, as he felt losing the rights to two characters he only kind of liked was better than losing the rights to the other characters he was very attached to.
*Ren and Stimpy were originally just going to be background characters for a different show John K. pitched to Nick called ''Your Gang'' (initially called ''Cartoon Cavalcade''). After Nick refused to let him keep the rights to the show if they bought it, he decided to just do one with the two background characters, as he felt losing the rights to two characters he only kind of liked was better than losing the rights to the other characters he was very attached to.
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* Creator/BillyWest was supposed to be the voice of both Ren and Stimpy when the show first started. He ironically got his wish when John K. was fired and Games Animation came in to make episodes.
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* Creator/BillyWest was supposed to be the voice of both Ren and Stimpy when the show first started. He ironically got his wish when John K. was fired and Games Animation came in to make episodes.fired.
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** This story is most likely [[https://youtu.be/hxm_OQp0M8k?t=3 totally apocryphal.]]
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* The inside joke with the Games Animation logo depicting Stimpy as a milkman was originally going to be taken even further with [[https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/renandstimpy/images/5/50/Stabco.jpg Stimpy holding a bloody dagger]], as a reference to John K. calling them backstabbers.
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* The inside joke with the Games Animation logo depicting Stimpy as a milkman was originally going to be taken even further with [[https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/renandstimpy/images/5/50/Stabco.jpg Stimpy holding a bloody dagger]], knife]], as a reference to John K. calling them backstabbers.
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* The inside joke with the Games Animation logo depicting Stimpy as a milkman was originally going to be taken even further with [[https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/renandstimpy/images/5/50/Stabco.jpg Stimpy holding a dagger]], as a reference to John K. calling them backstabbers.
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* The inside joke with the Games Animation logo depicting Stimpy as a milkman was originally going to be taken even further with [[https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/renandstimpy/images/5/50/Stabco.jpg Stimpy holding a bloody dagger]], as a reference to John K. calling them backstabbers.
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* The inside joke with the Games Animation logo depicting Stimpy as a milkman was originally going to be taken even further with Stimpy holding a dagger, as a reference to John K. calling them backstabbers.
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* The inside joke with the Games Animation logo depicting Stimpy as a milkman was originally going to be taken even further with [[https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/renandstimpy/images/5/50/Stabco.jpg Stimpy holding a dagger, dagger]], as a reference to John K. calling them backstabbers.
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* When doing "Stimpy's Invention", John K. didn't even consider trying to get Creator/BurlIves to perform the voice of the Ives-parody Stinky Whizzleteats, but when the two crossed paths later, Ives reportedly said he would have loved to have done it.
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* When doing "Stimpy's Invention", John K. didn't even consider trying to get Creator/BurlIves to perform the voice of the Ives-parody Stinky Whizzleteats, but when the two crossed paths later, Ives reportedly said he would have loved to have done it.it.
* The inside joke with the Games Animation logo depicting Stimpy as a milkman was originally going to be taken even further with Stimpy holding a dagger, as a reference to John K. calling them backstabbers.
* The inside joke with the Games Animation logo depicting Stimpy as a milkman was originally going to be taken even further with Stimpy holding a dagger, as a reference to John K. calling them backstabbers.
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* In 1993, Nickelodeon was planning on making a ''Ren and Stimpy'' '''movie''', along with a movie of ''WesternAnimation/{{Rugrats}}'' and ''WesternAnimation/{{Doug}}''. Only the ''Rugrats'' and ''Doug'' ones were made (albeit the ''Doug'' movie being made after it was bought by Disney), with the ''Rugrats'' one being successful enough for a string of sequels.
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* In 1993, Nickelodeon was planning on making a ''Ren and Stimpy'' '''movie''', along with a movie of ''WesternAnimation/{{Rugrats}}'' and ''WesternAnimation/{{Doug}}''. Only the ''Rugrats'' and ''Doug'' ones were made (albeit the ''Doug'' movie being made after it was bought by Disney), with the ''Rugrats'' one being successful enough for a string of sequels. ''Ren and Stimpy'' would have no movie.
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* Ren and Stimpy were originally just going to be background characters for a different show John K. pitched to Nick called ''Your Gang'' (initially called ''Cartoon Cavalcade''). After Nick refused to let him keep the rights to the show if they bought it, he decided to just do one with the two background characters, as he felt losing the rights to two characters he only kind of liked was better than losing the right to the other characters he was very attached to.
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* Ren and Stimpy were originally just going to be background characters for a different show John K. pitched to Nick called ''Your Gang'' (initially called ''Cartoon Cavalcade''). After Nick refused to let him keep the rights to the show if they bought it, he decided to just do one with the two background characters, as he felt losing the rights to two characters he only kind of liked was better than losing the right rights to the other characters he was very attached to.
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* Ren and Stimpy were originally just going to be background characters for a different show John K. pitched to Nick called ''Jimmy The Idiot Boy'' (then called ''Jimmy, the Retarded Boy''). After Nick refused to let him keep the rights to the show if they bought it, he decided to just do one with the two background characters, as he felt losing the rights to two characters he only kind of liked was better than losing the right to a character he was very attached to.
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* Ren and Stimpy were originally just going to be background characters for a different show John K. pitched to Nick called ''Jimmy The Idiot Boy'' (then ''Your Gang'' (initially called ''Jimmy, the Retarded Boy''). ''Cartoon Cavalcade''). After Nick refused to let him keep the rights to the show if they bought it, he decided to just do one with the two background characters, as he felt losing the rights to two characters he only kind of liked was better than losing the right to a character the other characters he was very attached to.
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* Episodes like "A Visit to Anthony", "Fake Dad" and the aforementioned "Stimpy's Fan Club" were only partially finished when Spumco was fired and were mostly completed by Games. How much better these episodes would have turned out if John K. had been able to finish them is unknown.
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* Episodes like "A Visit to Anthony", "Fake Dad" and the aforementioned "Stimpy's Fan Club" were only partially finished when Spumco was fired and were mostly completed by Games. How much better differently these episodes would have turned out if John K. had been able to finish them is unknown.
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* Acording to the What a Cartoon podcast, Bob Jaques revealed that Carbunkle Cartoons was approached to do timing direction for "Ren's Bitter Half", but he declined as his studio was busy with ''The Baby Huey Show'' at the time.
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* Acording to the What a Cartoon podcast, Bob Jaques revealed that Carbunkle Cartoons was approached to do timing direction for "Ren's Bitter Half", but he declined as his studio was busy with ''The Baby Huey Show'' at the time.time.
* When doing "Stimpy's Invention", John K. didn't even consider trying to get Creator/BurlIves to perform the voice of the Ives-parody Stinky Whizzleteats, but when the two crossed paths later, Ives reportedly said he would have loved to have done it.
* When doing "Stimpy's Invention", John K. didn't even consider trying to get Creator/BurlIves to perform the voice of the Ives-parody Stinky Whizzleteats, but when the two crossed paths later, Ives reportedly said he would have loved to have done it.
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!!''WesternAnimation/TheRenAndStimpyShow''
WhatCouldHaveBeen in this series.
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* Ren and Stimpy were originally just going to be background characters for a different show John K. pitched to Nick called ''Jimmy The Idiot Boy'' (then called ''Jimmy, the Retarded Boy''). After Nick refused to let him keep the rights to the show if they bought it, he decided to just do one with the two background characters, as he felt losing the rights to two characters he only kind of liked was better than losing the right to a character he was very attached to.
* The small bumpers in-between episode were supposed to advertise real-life products to help fund the show, but FCC regulations put a kabob on that. The idea was still kept in the final series for fictional products, like LOG, Powered Toast in a can, and Gritty Kitty cat litter. A LOG toy was eventually made, though.
** Before John K. decided to take on the role, some of the voice actors who auditioned for Ren included Creator/JoeAlaskey, Creator/FrankWelker and a pre-''WesternAnimation/RockosModernLife'' Creator/CarlosAlazraqui.
* Word is that season 3, had Spumco been kept on, would've mixed in more dramatic outings (similar to "Stimpy's Fan Club" and "Son of Stimpy") with the comedic shorts. Given how good they got at visual acting towards the end of their work on R&S, that would've been interesting to see.
* Episodes like "A Visit to Anthony", "Fake Dad" and the aforementioned "Stimpy's Fan Club" were only partially finished when Spumco was fired and were mostly completed by Games. How much better these episodes would have turned out if John K. had been able to finish them is unknown.
* In 1993, Nickelodeon was planning on making a ''Ren and Stimpy'' '''movie''', along with a movie of ''WesternAnimation/{{Rugrats}}'' and ''WesternAnimation/{{Doug}}''. Only the ''Rugrats'' and ''Doug'' ones were made (albeit the ''Doug'' movie being made after it was bought by Disney), with the ''Rugrats'' one being successful enough for a string of sequels.
* Apparently, around the same time that [[http://variety.com/2016/film/news/nickelodeon-nicktoons-jared-hess-paramount-1201690174/ that rumored Nicktoons movie was pitched]], a standalone ''Ren and Stimpy'' movie was pitched to Paramount by Bob Camp. However, [[https://www.fuse.tv/2017/03/ren-and-stimpy-nicktoons-reboot-movie according to him]], the terrible reception of ''Adult Party Cartoon'' did enough damage to the property for Paramount to reject it.
* Creator/BillyWest was supposed to be the voice of both Ren and Stimpy when the show first started. He ironically got his wish when John K. was fired and Games Animation came in to make episodes.
* [[WordOfSaintPaul According to Billy West]], the show's opening was going to be a song written and played by Music/KurtCobain. Sadly, John K. rejected the music sheet (by tossing it in the trash just after Cobain submitted it to Spumco Studios) and decided an instrumental was better.
* Had Spumco remained on the show, Wilbur Cobb's role in "Stimpy's Cartoon Show" would have been taken by Raymond Spum, a sort of [[MrAltDisney Walt Disney-type figure]]. Also, Stimpy's cartoon was originally going to be animated and designed like a short from UsefulNotes/TheGoldenAgeOfAnimation.
** George Liquor had been an intended part of the show from almost the very start. However, due to an alleged dislike of the character by Nickelodeon, he was limited to cameos in Season One and only fully utilized in two episodes of Season Two (one of which ended up being banned). After John K. was fired, Nickelodeon was more than willing to let him take the rights to use Liquor with him, effectively retiring the character from the series. He was intended for a return in ''Adult Party Cartoon'' past the first episode (which was merely a rebranded airing of "Man's Best Friend"), but due to the show's premature cancellation, this never came to fruition.
* Creator/CraigMcCracken [[https://twitter.com/CrackMcCraigen/status/615591421970546688 was offered a job]] on the show during its first season, but had to turn it down because he was still in school.
* According to ''Literature/SickLittleMonkeys'', Creator/RobinWilliams personally asked the staff if he could be a guest voice on the show. John K. declined the request on the basis that Williams was "a fucking fag."
* A new ''Ren and Stimpy'' short was going to be made to play in front of ''WesternAnimation/TheSpongebobMovieSpongeOutOfWater'', but for some unknown reason, it didn't happen[[note]] The most likely reason is that it was canceled last-minute because the person who greenlit the short wasn't aware of the unflattering history between Nickelodeon and ''Ren & Stimpy''[[/note]]. An animatic of the short is included as bonus content on the DVD for ''WesternAnimation/CansWithoutLabels''.
* "In the Army" originally had a scene where Stimpy blows his top and chews out Ren for getting them in trouble. John K thought it was funny, but quickly realized that this was [[OutOfCharacterMoment completely out of character for Stimpy]], since it's [[ThePollyanna very difficult to actually get him mad.]]
* Acording to the What a Cartoon podcast, Bob Jaques revealed that Carbunkle Cartoons was approached to do timing direction for "Ren's Bitter Half", but he declined as his studio was busy with ''The Baby Huey Show'' at the time.
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* Ren and Stimpy were originally just going to be background characters for a different show John K. pitched to Nick called ''Jimmy The Idiot Boy'' (then called ''Jimmy, the Retarded Boy''). After Nick refused to let him keep the rights to the show if they bought it, he decided to just do one with the two background characters, as he felt losing the rights to two characters he only kind of liked was better than losing the right to a character he was very attached to.
* The small bumpers in-between episode were supposed to advertise real-life products to help fund the show, but FCC regulations put a kabob on that. The idea was still kept in the final series for fictional products, like LOG, Powered Toast in a can, and Gritty Kitty cat litter. A LOG toy was eventually made, though.
** Before John K. decided to take on the role, some of the voice actors who auditioned for Ren included Creator/JoeAlaskey, Creator/FrankWelker and a pre-''WesternAnimation/RockosModernLife'' Creator/CarlosAlazraqui.
* Word is that season 3, had Spumco been kept on, would've mixed in more dramatic outings (similar to "Stimpy's Fan Club" and "Son of Stimpy") with the comedic shorts. Given how good they got at visual acting towards the end of their work on R&S, that would've been interesting to see.
* Episodes like "A Visit to Anthony", "Fake Dad" and the aforementioned "Stimpy's Fan Club" were only partially finished when Spumco was fired and were mostly completed by Games. How much better these episodes would have turned out if John K. had been able to finish them is unknown.
* In 1993, Nickelodeon was planning on making a ''Ren and Stimpy'' '''movie''', along with a movie of ''WesternAnimation/{{Rugrats}}'' and ''WesternAnimation/{{Doug}}''. Only the ''Rugrats'' and ''Doug'' ones were made (albeit the ''Doug'' movie being made after it was bought by Disney), with the ''Rugrats'' one being successful enough for a string of sequels.
* Apparently, around the same time that [[http://variety.com/2016/film/news/nickelodeon-nicktoons-jared-hess-paramount-1201690174/ that rumored Nicktoons movie was pitched]], a standalone ''Ren and Stimpy'' movie was pitched to Paramount by Bob Camp. However, [[https://www.fuse.tv/2017/03/ren-and-stimpy-nicktoons-reboot-movie according to him]], the terrible reception of ''Adult Party Cartoon'' did enough damage to the property for Paramount to reject it.
* Creator/BillyWest was supposed to be the voice of both Ren and Stimpy when the show first started. He ironically got his wish when John K. was fired and Games Animation came in to make episodes.
* [[WordOfSaintPaul According to Billy West]], the show's opening was going to be a song written and played by Music/KurtCobain. Sadly, John K. rejected the music sheet (by tossing it in the trash just after Cobain submitted it to Spumco Studios) and decided an instrumental was better.
* Had Spumco remained on the show, Wilbur Cobb's role in "Stimpy's Cartoon Show" would have been taken by Raymond Spum, a sort of [[MrAltDisney Walt Disney-type figure]]. Also, Stimpy's cartoon was originally going to be animated and designed like a short from UsefulNotes/TheGoldenAgeOfAnimation.
** George Liquor had been an intended part of the show from almost the very start. However, due to an alleged dislike of the character by Nickelodeon, he was limited to cameos in Season One and only fully utilized in two episodes of Season Two (one of which ended up being banned). After John K. was fired, Nickelodeon was more than willing to let him take the rights to use Liquor with him, effectively retiring the character from the series. He was intended for a return in ''Adult Party Cartoon'' past the first episode (which was merely a rebranded airing of "Man's Best Friend"), but due to the show's premature cancellation, this never came to fruition.
* Creator/CraigMcCracken [[https://twitter.com/CrackMcCraigen/status/615591421970546688 was offered a job]] on the show during its first season, but had to turn it down because he was still in school.
* According to ''Literature/SickLittleMonkeys'', Creator/RobinWilliams personally asked the staff if he could be a guest voice on the show. John K. declined the request on the basis that Williams was "a fucking fag."
* A new ''Ren and Stimpy'' short was going to be made to play in front of ''WesternAnimation/TheSpongebobMovieSpongeOutOfWater'', but for some unknown reason, it didn't happen[[note]] The most likely reason is that it was canceled last-minute because the person who greenlit the short wasn't aware of the unflattering history between Nickelodeon and ''Ren & Stimpy''[[/note]]. An animatic of the short is included as bonus content on the DVD for ''WesternAnimation/CansWithoutLabels''.
* "In the Army" originally had a scene where Stimpy blows his top and chews out Ren for getting them in trouble. John K thought it was funny, but quickly realized that this was [[OutOfCharacterMoment completely out of character for Stimpy]], since it's [[ThePollyanna very difficult to actually get him mad.]]
* Acording to the What a Cartoon podcast, Bob Jaques revealed that Carbunkle Cartoons was approached to do timing direction for "Ren's Bitter Half", but he declined as his studio was busy with ''The Baby Huey Show'' at the time.
