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* Earlier versions of the script included additional characters like Fatty Bolger, Glorfindel, Elladan, Elrohir, Erkenbrand, Imrahil and Forlong. At one point, Jackson even considered reintroducing Tom Bombadil in a cameo. Gimli was also going to swear throughout the films (he only does so once, in elvish, in the Extended Edition of ''Fellowship'').
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* Earlier versions of the script included additional characters like Fatty Bolger, Glorfindel, Elladan, Elrohir, Erkenbrand, Imrahil and Forlong. At one point, Jackson even considered reintroducing Tom Bombadil in a cameo. Gimli was also going to swear throughout the films (he only does so once, in elvish, Elvish, in the Extended Edition of ''Fellowship'').
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* The narration in the prologue for ''Fellowship'' by Galadriel was originally intended to be spoken by Frodo -- Creator/ElijahWood even did a recording, but the filmmakers felt that not only did the information in the prologue have little bearing on Frodo's character, but there was also the FridgeLogic of him knowing that information -- and if he did know all of that, he would have had to have learned it during the trilogy and it would have been a bit of a spoiler alert to the fact that [[spoiler:he survives]]. So then they got Creator/IanMcKellen as Gandalf to do a recording of the narration, but decided again that he wasn't the right person to be saying this. They eventually picked Creator/CateBlanchett as Galadriel to speak these lines, emphasizing the timelessness of the elves. (And ''in Elvish'' - the first voice you hear, while the screen's still dark, is speaking the language to which Tolkien devoted his life and for which he created the Elves and Middle-earth. ''In the beginning was the word.'')
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* The narration in the prologue for ''Fellowship'' by Galadriel was originally intended to be spoken by Frodo -- Creator/ElijahWood even did a recording, but the filmmakers felt that not only did the information in the prologue have little bearing on Frodo's character, but there was also the FridgeLogic of him knowing that information -- and if he did know all of that, he would have had to have learned it during the trilogy and it would have been a bit of a spoiler alert to the fact that [[spoiler:he survives]]. So then they got Creator/IanMcKellen as Gandalf to do a recording of the narration, but decided again that he wasn't the right person to be saying this. They eventually picked Creator/CateBlanchett as Galadriel to speak these lines, emphasizing the timelessness of the elves. (And ''in Elvish'' - the first voice you hear, while the screen's still dark, is speaking the language to which Tolkien devoted his life and for which he created the Elves and Middle-earth. ''In the beginning was the word.'')
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* The filmmakers tried to make the "Gollum into the lava" scene true to the book, but the take with Gollum simply falling into the lava while celebrating was deemed too anticlimactic. So they tried again, filming a scene where Frodo deliberately pushes Gollum and the Ring into the lava. ''That'' was [[WhatTheHellHero basically murder]], so they [[TakeAThirdOption filmed a third take]] where Frodo still goes after him but instead tries to retake the Ring, but they both slip over the edge in the scuffle, which is the one we see in the final product. This further put Frodo in a position where he[[DrivenToSuicide seriously considers letting go and ending it all]], but decides to take Sam's hand instead.
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* The filmmakers tried to make the "Gollum into the lava" scene true to the book, but the take with Gollum simply falling into the lava while celebrating was deemed too anticlimactic. So they tried again, filming a scene where Frodo deliberately pushes Gollum and the Ring into the lava. ''That'' was [[WhatTheHellHero basically murder]], so they [[TakeAThirdOption filmed a third take]] where Frodo still goes after him but instead tries to retake the Ring, but they both slip over the edge in the scuffle, which is the one we see in the final product. This further put Frodo in a position where he[[DrivenToSuicide he [[DrivenToSuicide seriously considers letting go and ending it all]], but decides to take Sam's hand instead.
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* Earlier versions of the script included additional characters like Fatty Bolger, Glorfindel, Elladan, Elrohir, Erkenbrand, Imrahil and Forlong. At one point, Jackson even considered reintroducing Tom Bombadil in a cameo. Gimli was going to swear throughout the films and Arwen would join the Fellowship in Rohan and share a nude scene with Aragorn in the pools of the Glittering Caves.
* The narration in the prologue for ''Fellowship'' by Galadriel was originally intended to be spoken by Frodo -- Creator/ElijahWood even did a recording, but the filmmakers felt that not only did the information in the prologue have little bearing on Frodo's character, but there was also the FridgeLogic of him knowing that information -- and if he did know all of that, he would have had to have learned it during the trilogy and it would have been a bit of a spoiler alert to the fact that [[spoiler:he survives]]. So then they got Creator/IanMcKellen as Gandalf to do a recording of the narration, but decided again that he wasn't the right person to be saying this. They eventually picked Creator/CateBlanchett as Galadriel to speak these lines, emphasising the timelessness of the elves. (And ''in Elvish'' - the first voice you hear, while the screen's still dark, is speaking the language to which Tolkien devoted his life and for which he created the Elves and Middle-earth. ''In the beginning was the word.'')
* Prolific Tolkien illustrators John Howe and Alan Lee (who also worked as concept artists for the films) cameo as two of the nine Kings of Men in the prologue. According to some accounts, Jackson also tried to get the other most notable Tolkien illustrator, Ted Nasmith, involved, but he had some personal business at the time that prevented him from taking part. Scenes clearly inspired by some of his paintings appear in the films.
* The Balrog was going to be shown after falling in the water with its fire gone out and covered in slime. Also, his fall would scare away several tentacled monsters similar to the Watcher in the Water.
* The narration in the prologue for ''Fellowship'' by Galadriel was originally intended to be spoken by Frodo -- Creator/ElijahWood even did a recording, but the filmmakers felt that not only did the information in the prologue have little bearing on Frodo's character, but there was also the FridgeLogic of him knowing that information -- and if he did know all of that, he would have had to have learned it during the trilogy and it would have been a bit of a spoiler alert to the fact that [[spoiler:he survives]]. So then they got Creator/IanMcKellen as Gandalf to do a recording of the narration, but decided again that he wasn't the right person to be saying this. They eventually picked Creator/CateBlanchett as Galadriel to speak these lines, emphasising the timelessness of the elves. (And ''in Elvish'' - the first voice you hear, while the screen's still dark, is speaking the language to which Tolkien devoted his life and for which he created the Elves and Middle-earth. ''In the beginning was the word.'')
* Prolific Tolkien illustrators John Howe and Alan Lee (who also worked as concept artists for the films) cameo as two of the nine Kings of Men in the prologue. According to some accounts, Jackson also tried to get the other most notable Tolkien illustrator, Ted Nasmith, involved, but he had some personal business at the time that prevented him from taking part. Scenes clearly inspired by some of his paintings appear in the films.
* The Balrog was going to be shown after falling in the water with its fire gone out and covered in slime. Also, his fall would scare away several tentacled monsters similar to the Watcher in the Water.
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* Earlier versions of the script included additional characters like Fatty Bolger, Glorfindel, Elladan, Elrohir, Erkenbrand, Imrahil and Forlong. At one point, Jackson even considered reintroducing Tom Bombadil in a cameo. Gimli was also going to swear throughout the films and Arwen would join the Fellowship (he only does so once, in Rohan and share a nude scene with Aragorn elvish, in the pools Extended Edition of ''Fellowship'').
* New Line originally pushed for ''Fellowship of theGlittering Caves.
Ring'' to have no prologue at all, but the writers knew that the Ring needed all the lore backup it could get while also establishing how old Middle-earth is as a setting.
* The narration in the prologue for ''Fellowship'' by Galadriel was originally intended to be spoken by Frodo -- Creator/ElijahWood even did a recording, but the filmmakers felt that not only did the information in the prologue have little bearing on Frodo's character, but there was also the FridgeLogic of him knowing that information -- and if he did know all of that, he would have had to have learned it during the trilogy and it would have been a bit of a spoiler alert to the fact that [[spoiler:he survives]]. So then they got Creator/IanMcKellen as Gandalf to do a recording of the narration, but decided again that he wasn't the right person to be saying this. They eventually picked Creator/CateBlanchett as Galadriel to speak these lines,emphasising emphasizing the timelessness of the elves. (And ''in Elvish'' - the first voice you hear, while the screen's still dark, is speaking the language to which Tolkien devoted his life and for which he created the Elves and Middle-earth. ''In the beginning was the word.'')
** The use of Galadriel as the opening narrator allowed them to use her and Elrond to have the "prologue scene in the middle" of ''Two Towers'' where they sum up the situation at hand and ask if they leave Middle-earth to its fate.
* Prolific Tolkien illustrators John Howe and Alan Lee (who also worked as concept artists for the films) cameo as two of the nine Kings of Men in the prologue. According to some accounts, Jackson also tried to get the other most notable Tolkien illustrator, Ted Nasmith, involved, but he had some personal business at the time that prevented him from taking part. Scenes clearly inspired by some of his paintings appear in thefilms.
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* The wobbling stairs sequence as the fellowship escape the Balrog wasgoing never intended to be shown after falling in the water with its fire gone out and covered in slime. Also, his fall would scare away several tentacled monsters similar to film, the Watcher script simply reading "the fellowship ran down some stairs''. However some concept art of these stairs, looking very close to what we see in the Water.final movie, got Peter Jackson's mind whirring, and he devised the iconic sequence we know today.
* New Line originally pushed for ''Fellowship of the
* The narration in the prologue for ''Fellowship'' by Galadriel was originally intended to be spoken by Frodo -- Creator/ElijahWood even did a recording, but the filmmakers felt that not only did the information in the prologue have little bearing on Frodo's character, but there was also the FridgeLogic of him knowing that information -- and if he did know all of that, he would have had to have learned it during the trilogy and it would have been a bit of a spoiler alert to the fact that [[spoiler:he survives]]. So then they got Creator/IanMcKellen as Gandalf to do a recording of the narration, but decided again that he wasn't the right person to be saying this. They eventually picked Creator/CateBlanchett as Galadriel to speak these lines,
** The use of Galadriel as the opening narrator allowed them to use her and Elrond to have the "prologue scene in the middle" of ''Two Towers'' where they sum up the situation at hand and ask if they leave Middle-earth to its fate.
* Prolific Tolkien illustrators John Howe and Alan Lee (who also worked as concept artists for the films) cameo as two of the nine Kings of Men in the prologue. According to some accounts, Jackson also tried to get the other most notable Tolkien illustrator, Ted Nasmith, involved, but he had some personal business at the time that prevented him from taking part. Scenes clearly inspired by some of his paintings appear in the
* The wobbling stairs sequence as the fellowship escape the Balrog was
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* Arwen was actually supposed to [[AscendedExtra arrive at Helm's Deep to give Aragorn his sword Andúril, the Flame of the West, and, of course, to fight alongside him.]] Her role was ultimately reduced, and the scene of her [[spoiler: arrival at Helm's Deep]] instead became Legolas giving Aragorn back Arwen's pendant. Haldir was written in her place.
* During the battle of Helm's Deep a few orcs were going to get through, only to caught and defeated by Éowyn who was helping a pregnant woman give birth.
* During the battle of Helm's Deep a few orcs were going to get through, only to caught and defeated by Éowyn who was helping a pregnant woman give birth.
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* Arwen was actually supposed In an inverse situation to [[AscendedExtra arrive at Helm's Deep to give Aragorn his sword Andúril, ''Fellowship'', New Line were quite adamant that ''The Two Towers'' start with a prologue that sums up the Flame first movie. Peter Jackson disagreed and felt the audience should pay a few bucks to see the first film before jumping into the middle of the West, and, story. Instead of course, a prologue, the film opens with a familiar event told from a gripping new perspective: Gandalf falling and fighting the Balrog, to fight alongside him.]] Her role put audience back into the story quickly.
* The Balrog was going to be shown after falling in the water with its fire gone out and covered in slime, but was removed because it would have been far too expensive and time-consuming to pull off the slime effect. Also, his fall would scare away several tentacled monsters similar to the Watcher in the Water.
* Gollum was originally going to be portrayed soley as a voice, with the character having no on-set representation. However Peter Jackson was so impressed with the physical performance Andy Serkis made in the process of making the voice that he felt this should be represented somehow during filming. Thus the SerkisFolk trope was born, with Andy also portraying Gollum in front of the camera to be digitally replaced later.
* Smegol's flashback was originally to be placed in ''The Two Towers'', right after Frodo calls him by his real name for the first time in the Dead Marshes. The flashback would have likely ended abruptly when he puts on the Ring for the first time, by the screech of the Nazgul. It was ultimatelyreduced, and decided it would serve better as the scene opening to ''Return of her [[spoiler: arrival at Helm's Deep]] instead became Legolas giving Aragorn back Arwen's pendant. Haldir was written the King'' instead, which results in her place.
a notable lighting shift going from night to dawn.
* During thebattle of Helm's Deep a few orcs were going to get through, only to caught scene where Gollum leads Frodo and defeated by Éowyn who Sam to the gates, there was helping to be a pregnant woman give birth.flashback of Gollum being tortured from the first film while he fears getting caught.
* The Balrog was going to be shown after falling in the water with its fire gone out and covered in slime, but was removed because it would have been far too expensive and time-consuming to pull off the slime effect. Also, his fall would scare away several tentacled monsters similar to the Watcher in the Water.
* Gollum was originally going to be portrayed soley as a voice, with the character having no on-set representation. However Peter Jackson was so impressed with the physical performance Andy Serkis made in the process of making the voice that he felt this should be represented somehow during filming. Thus the SerkisFolk trope was born, with Andy also portraying Gollum in front of the camera to be digitally replaced later.
* Smegol's flashback was originally to be placed in ''The Two Towers'', right after Frodo calls him by his real name for the first time in the Dead Marshes. The flashback would have likely ended abruptly when he puts on the Ring for the first time, by the screech of the Nazgul. It was ultimately
* During the
* Arwen was actually supposed to [[AscendedExtra arrive at Helm's Deep to give Aragorn his sword Andúril, the Flame of the West, have a nude scene in the Glittering Caves, and of course to fight alongside him.]] Her role was ultimately reduced, and the scene of her [[spoiler: arrival at Helm's Deep]] instead became Legolas giving Aragorn back Arwen's pendant. Haldir was written in her place (with no nude Glittering Caves scene, sadly).
* During the battle of Helm's Deep a few orcs were going to get through, only to caught and defeated by Éowyn who was helping a pregnant woman give birth.
* During the battle of Helm's Deep a few orcs were going to get through, only to caught and defeated by Éowyn who was helping a pregnant woman give birth.
* The flooded Isengard and the death of Saruman was originally meant to be part of the ending of ''The Two Towers'', but similar to the Gollum origins it was moved to the opening of ''Return of the King'' (much to the chagrin of that film's editor). The scene was still rather lengthy, so Saruman's on-screen death was removed from the Theatrical cut, which prompted Christopher Lee to not appear at the premieres and press tours for the third movie.
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* Aragorn was originally supposed to personally duel Sauron in the end, but Sauron was ultimately replaced by an armored troll. In the same scene, Jackson considered including a scene in which Sauron appears before Aragorn in a beautiful form (played by Creator/KateWinslet) to try and sway his resolve.
* The filmmakers tried to create the "Gollum into the lava" scene true to the book, but the take with Gollum simply falling into the lava while celebrating was deemed too anticlimactic. So they tried again, filming a scene where Frodo deliberately pushes Gollum and the Ring into the lava. ''That'' was [[WhatTheHellHero basically murder]], so they [[TakeAThirdOption filmed a third take]] where Frodo still goes after him, but Gollum's fall is an accident, which is the one we see in the final product.
* Smegol's flashback was considered to be placed in ''The Two Towers'', right after Frodo calls him by his real name. The flashback would have likely ended abruptly when he puts on the Ring for the first time, by the screech of the fellbeast. It probably would have also still be the opening of ''The Return of the King'' as a variation of PreviouslyOn (just as with Gandalf's fight with the Balrog).
* For the scene where Frodo tells Sam to "go home", they tried different takes which has him shouting it before deciding TranquilFury was more effective.
* During the scene where Gollum leads Frodo and Sam to the gates, there was to be a flashback of Gollum being tortured from the first film while he fears getting caught.
* The filmmakers tried to create the "Gollum into the lava" scene true to the book, but the take with Gollum simply falling into the lava while celebrating was deemed too anticlimactic. So they tried again, filming a scene where Frodo deliberately pushes Gollum and the Ring into the lava. ''That'' was [[WhatTheHellHero basically murder]], so they [[TakeAThirdOption filmed a third take]] where Frodo still goes after him, but Gollum's fall is an accident, which is the one we see in the final product.
* Smegol's flashback was considered to be placed in ''The Two Towers'', right after Frodo calls him by his real name. The flashback would have likely ended abruptly when he puts on the Ring for the first time, by the screech of the fellbeast. It probably would have also still be the opening of ''The Return of the King'' as a variation of PreviouslyOn (just as with Gandalf's fight with the Balrog).
* For the scene where Frodo tells Sam to "go home", they tried different takes which has him shouting it before deciding TranquilFury was more effective.
* During the scene where Gollum leads Frodo and Sam to the gates, there was to be a flashback of Gollum being tortured from the first film while he fears getting caught.
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* For the scene where Frodo tells Sam to "go home", the initial approach was for Frodo to say it very venomously to portray how deeply the Ring is affecting him. This was deemed too intense during editing, but luckily the much more restrained take seen in the movie had also been filmed on the day and was used instead.
* At the Black Gates, Aragorn was originallysupposed going to personally duel see a vision of Sauron in the end, but Sauron was ultimately replaced by an armored troll. In the same scene, Jackson considered including a scene in which Sauron appears before Aragorn in a as his beautiful Annatar form that he used to trick the elves into forging the Rings (played by Creator/KateWinslet) Creator/KateWinslet), before transforming into the armoured Sauron from the prologue to try fight Aragorn personally. However in editing this was deemed to detract from Aragorn's ploy of distracting Sauron to give Frodo and sway his resolve.
Sam passage to Mount Doom, so it was changed in two ways:
** The Annatar vision was changed to Sauron's eye "flaring" to Aragorn, making it look like he's being affected much as the One Ring does, before he turns around and instead says the iconic "For Frodo" line and charging in. This was Viggo Mortenson's suggestion.
** Still wanting Aragorn to have ''something'' significant to fight, the Sauron fight footage was reused but with the armored troll replacing him.
* The filmmakers tried tocreate make the "Gollum into the lava" scene true to the book, but the take with Gollum simply falling into the lava while celebrating was deemed too anticlimactic. So they tried again, filming a scene where Frodo deliberately pushes Gollum and the Ring into the lava. ''That'' was [[WhatTheHellHero basically murder]], so they [[TakeAThirdOption filmed a third take]] where Frodo still goes after him, him but Gollum's fall is an accident, instead tries to retake the Ring, but they both slip over the edge in the scuffle, which is the one we see in the final product.
* Smegol's flashback was considered to be placed in ''The Two Towers'', right afterproduct. This further put Frodo calls him by his real name. The flashback would have likely ended abruptly when he puts on the Ring for the first time, by the screech of the fellbeast. It probably would have also still be the opening of ''The Return of the King'' as in a variation of PreviouslyOn (just as with Gandalf's fight with the Balrog).
* For the sceneposition where Frodo tells Sam to "go home", they tried different takes which has him shouting it before deciding TranquilFury was more effective.
* During the scene where Gollum leads Frodohe[[DrivenToSuicide seriously considers letting go and Sam ending it all]], but decides to the gates, there was to be a flashback of Gollum being tortured from the first film while he fears getting caught.take Sam's hand instead.
* At the Black Gates, Aragorn was originally
** The Annatar vision was changed to Sauron's eye "flaring" to Aragorn, making it look like he's being affected much as the One Ring does, before he turns around and instead says the iconic "For Frodo" line and charging in. This was Viggo Mortenson's suggestion.
** Still wanting Aragorn to have ''something'' significant to fight, the Sauron fight footage was reused but with the armored troll replacing him.
* The filmmakers tried to
* Smegol's flashback was considered to be placed in ''The Two Towers'', right after
* For the scene
* During the scene where Gollum leads Frodo
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** There would have been a scene where, after eating some strange mushrooms, [[WhatDoYouMeanItWasntMadeOnDrugs the hobbits started having hallucinations]], including golden flowers, naked children running around and sinister living scarecrows.
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** There would have been a scene where, after eating some strange mushrooms, [[WhatDoYouMeanItWasntMadeOnDrugs the hobbits started having hallucinations]], hallucinations, including golden flowers, naked children running around and sinister living scarecrows.
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* Creator/PaulScofield was also a candidate for Gandalf, and was proposed to Jackson in case [=McKellen=] couldn't make it. Jackson reportedly didn't like him for the role, considering he would make a better Saruman if anything, but [=McKellen=] himself later stated Scofield would have been his own choice for Gandalf had he been directing.
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* [[http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A46263-2002Dec27 The tenor of the times in 2002]] compelled them to actually cut out a lot of material that mostly served to humanize the other races, such as the bit with the Southron or the conversations with orcs. The musings on the Southron soldier are in the Extended Edition of ''The Two Towers'', though it's Faramir who delivers the musings (in the book, it was Sam).
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* [[http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A46263-2002Dec27 The tenor of the times in 2002]] compelled them to actually cut out a lot of material that mostly served to humanize the other races, such as the bit with the Southron or the conversations with orcs. The musings on the Southron soldier are in the Extended Edition of ''The Two Towers'', though it's Faramir who delivers the musings (in the book, it was Sam).
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* Aragorn was originally supposed to personally duel Sauron in the end, but Sauron was ultimately replaced by an armored troll. In the same scene, Jackson considered including a scene in which Sauron appears before Aragorn in a beautiful form (played by Kate Winslet) to try and sway his resolve.
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* Aragorn was originally supposed to personally duel Sauron in the end, but Sauron was ultimately replaced by an armored troll. In the same scene, Jackson considered including a scene in which Sauron appears before Aragorn in a beautiful form (played by Kate Winslet) Creator/KateWinslet) to try and sway his resolve.
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* According to Creator/ViggoMortensen, the movies were never really expected to be huge hits, and it was assumed that they were going to go straight to DVD after the first movie. The surprise success of the first film changed the direction of the films, so all three ended up being released in theaters.
* Creator/JakeGyllenhaal was a frontrunner for Frodo, and he was even asked to do a private audition for Jackson. However, according to Gyllenhaal, he had not been warned beforehand that he would need to learn to feign a believable British accent for the role, and his resultant attempts to improvise one were so bad that he got rejected right there. Gyllenhaal later heard he become a sort of MemeticLoser among the crewmen as a consequence of this.
* Creator/JakeGyllenhaal was a frontrunner for Frodo, and he was even asked to do a private audition for Jackson. However, according to Gyllenhaal, he had not been warned beforehand that he would need to learn to feign a believable British accent for the role, and his resultant attempts to improvise one were so bad that he got rejected right there. Gyllenhaal later heard he become a sort of MemeticLoser among the crewmen as a consequence of this.
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* According to Creator/ViggoMortensen, the movies were never really expected to be huge hits, and it was assumed that they were going to go straight to DVD after the first movie. The surprise success of the first film changed the direction of the films, trilogy, so all three ended up being released in theaters.
* Creator/JakeGyllenhaal was a frontrunner for Frodo, and he was even asked to do a private audition for Jackson. However, according to Gyllenhaal, he went in without having been properly explained what he was supposed to do, which caused him to unknowingly blow it. In particular, he had not been warned beforehand that he would need to learn to feign a believable British accent for the role, and his resultant attempts to improvise one were so bad that he got rejected right there. Jackson even showed sympathy and told Jake to fire his agent as soon as possible. To further rub salt, Gyllenhaal later heard he had become a sort of MemeticLoser among the crewmen as a consequence of this.
* Creator/JakeGyllenhaal was a frontrunner for Frodo, and he was even asked to do a private audition for Jackson. However, according to Gyllenhaal, he went in without having been properly explained what he was supposed to do, which caused him to unknowingly blow it. In particular, he had not been warned beforehand that he would need to learn to feign a believable British accent for the role, and his resultant attempts to improvise one were so bad that he got rejected right there. Jackson even showed sympathy and told Jake to fire his agent as soon as possible. To further rub salt, Gyllenhaal later heard he had become a sort of MemeticLoser among the crewmen as a consequence of this.
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** Creator/PatrickStewart was in talks with Jackson, who wanted him to play Gandalf. Stewart was annoyed by the conditions, as he was not fond of the script he was given and also wanted a different role (he has not revealed which), and ultimately turned down the offer.
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** Creator/PatrickStewart was in talks with Jackson, who wanted him to play Gandalf. Stewart was annoyed by the conditions, as he was not fond of the script he was given and also wanted a different role (he has not revealed which), which, so speculation abounds, with a particularly crazy rumor that he wanted Aragorn), and ultimately turned down the offer.offer. Negotiations weren't a waste, though, as it was through him that Philippa Boyens noticed Creator/IanMcKellen as a possible candidate after watching them together in an acting course play. Stewart was also offered Théoden.
* Creator/PaulScofield was also a candidate for Gandalf, and was proposed to Jackson in case [=McKellen=] couldn't make it. Jackson reportedly didn't like him for the role, considering he would make a better Saruman if anything, but [=McKellen=] himself later stated Scofield would have been his own choice for Gandalf had he been directing.
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* Creator/PaulScofield was a candidate for either Gandalf or Saruman.
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* Christopher Lee stated Jackson told him he was his only choice for Saruman, but rumors claim Jackson had also considered Creator/TimCurry, Creator/JeremyIrons and Creator/MalcolmMcDowell in case Lee refused.
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* According to Christopher Lee stated Jackson told him Lee, he was his Jackson's only choice for Saruman, but rumors claim Jackson had also considered Creator/TimCurry, Creator/JeremyIrons and Creator/MalcolmMcDowell in case Lee refused.refused or was unavailable.
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* Creator/KevinConway was initially cast as Theoden in early stages, but he dropped out in favor of ''Film/GodsAndGenerals''. Amusingly, Conway [[https://whatculture.com/film/20-actors-that-were-almost-cast-in-the-lord-of-the-rings?page=18 acknowledged at the time]] that he was taking a terrible career decision by doing this, but he admitted he simply didn't want to be an entire year in New Zealand for a few scenes while the rest of his job was done by a stunt double.
* Creator/TomWilkinson was [[https://www.theonering.net/torwp/2005/09/29/2267-tom-wilkinson-passed-on-tolkien/ approached]] for availability to play a role to be determined, but he declined, not being keen on the idea of spending a year away while shooting. Rumors claim they were considering him for either Theoden or Gandalf.
* Creator/TomWilkinson was [[https://www.theonering.net/torwp/2005/09/29/2267-tom-wilkinson-passed-on-tolkien/ approached]] for availability to play a role to be determined, but he declined, not being keen on the idea of spending a year away while shooting. Rumors claim they were considering him for either Theoden or Gandalf.
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* Creator/KevinConway was initially cast as Theoden Théoden in early stages, but he dropped out in favor of ''Film/GodsAndGenerals''. Amusingly, Conway [[https://whatculture.com/film/20-actors-that-were-almost-cast-in-the-lord-of-the-rings?page=18 acknowledged at the time]] that he was taking a terrible career decision by doing this, but he admitted he simply didn't want to be an entire year in New Zealand for a few scenes while the rest of his job was done by a stunt double.
* Creator/TomWilkinson was [[https://www.theonering.net/torwp/2005/09/29/2267-tom-wilkinson-passed-on-tolkien/ approached]] for availability to play a role to be determined, but he declined, not being keen on the idea of spending a year away while shooting. Rumors claim they were considering him for eitherTheoden Théoden or Gandalf.
* Creator/TomWilkinson was [[https://www.theonering.net/torwp/2005/09/29/2267-tom-wilkinson-passed-on-tolkien/ approached]] for availability to play a role to be determined, but he declined, not being keen on the idea of spending a year away while shooting. Rumors claim they were considering him for either
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* Creator/SamNeill was offered a role in the films, popularly thought to be either Gandalf or Elrond. However, despite he was eager to work with Jackson, he had to turn it down due to other commitments.
* Music/DavidBowie actively campaigned to be in the films, and right since the time of their release there were wild rumors that he had auditioned for a role, most popularly suspected to be Elrond (though others say he tried for Gandalf instead, or possibly both). After Bowie's death, it was revealed the story was true and he had been in talks with the team, though at this point the story gets [[https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2016/12/david-bowie-gandalf-elrond-lotr blurred]]: casting director Amy Hubbard claims Bowie discovered he was unavailable and therefore never auditioned for any role, while Creator/DominicMonaghan recalls he and Bowie actually ran into each other in the auditions, although he never found out which character Bowie had gone to try for (he believes it should be Gandalf). Reasons why Bowie was not chosen remain unclear too, but given that Jackson was strong on the idea of casting unknowns, noting that "to have a famous, beloved character and a famous star colliding is slightly uncomfortable", it is assumed he simply did not want Bowie's sheer star power to overshadow the character and the rest of the cast. Philippa Boyens also stated that the producers initially regarded Bowie as the perfect role for Elrond, only to change their mind upon remembering Bowie's memetic role as Jareth in the fantasy film ''Film/{{Labyrinth}}''.
* Jackson wanted Creator/LucyLawless of all people to play Galadriel, but she had to turn it down due to her pregnancy at the time (yet another choice foiled by this) and her tight television schedule. Lawless has stated that she really wanted that role and it broke her heart not to be able to accept it.
* Music/DavidBowie actively campaigned to be in the films, and right since the time of their release there were wild rumors that he had auditioned for a role, most popularly suspected to be Elrond (though others say he tried for Gandalf instead, or possibly both). After Bowie's death, it was revealed the story was true and he had been in talks with the team, though at this point the story gets [[https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2016/12/david-bowie-gandalf-elrond-lotr blurred]]: casting director Amy Hubbard claims Bowie discovered he was unavailable and therefore never auditioned for any role, while Creator/DominicMonaghan recalls he and Bowie actually ran into each other in the auditions, although he never found out which character Bowie had gone to try for (he believes it should be Gandalf). Reasons why Bowie was not chosen remain unclear too, but given that Jackson was strong on the idea of casting unknowns, noting that "to have a famous, beloved character and a famous star colliding is slightly uncomfortable", it is assumed he simply did not want Bowie's sheer star power to overshadow the character and the rest of the cast. Philippa Boyens also stated that the producers initially regarded Bowie as the perfect role for Elrond, only to change their mind upon remembering Bowie's memetic role as Jareth in the fantasy film ''Film/{{Labyrinth}}''.
* Jackson wanted Creator/LucyLawless of all people to play Galadriel, but she had to turn it down due to her pregnancy at the time (yet another choice foiled by this) and her tight television schedule. Lawless has stated that she really wanted that role and it broke her heart not to be able to accept it.
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* Creator/SamNeill was offered a role in the films, popularly thought to be either Gandalf or Elrond. However, but despite he was eager to work with Jackson, he had to turn it down due to other commitments.
his commitment with ''Film/JurassicParkIII''. Neill has refused to reveal the exact role out of respect for the chosen actor, only confirming that it was ''not'' the popular fancasting of him as Elrond (he added that people routinely mistakes him by Creator/HugoWeaving for some reason), but rumors have that it was Gandalf.
* Music/DavidBowie actively campaigned to be in the films, and right since the time of their release there were wild rumors that he had auditioned for a role, most popularly suspected to be Elrond (though others say he tried for Gandalf instead, or possibly both). After Bowie's death, it was revealed the story was true and he had been in talks with the team, though at this point the story gets [[https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2016/12/david-bowie-gandalf-elrond-lotr blurred]]: casting director Amy Hubbard claims Bowie discovered he was unavailable and therefore never auditioned for any role, while Creator/DominicMonaghan recalls he and Bowie actually ran into each other in the auditions, although he never found out which character Bowie had gone to try for (he personally believes it should be Gandalf). Reasons why Bowie was not chosen remain unclear too, but given that Jackson was strong on the idea of casting unknowns, noting that "to have a famous, beloved character and a famous star colliding is slightly uncomfortable", it is assumed he simply did not want Bowie's sheer star power to overshadow the character and the rest of the cast. Philippa Boyens also stated that the producers initially regarded Bowie as the perfectrole choice for Elrond, only to change their mind minds upon remembering Bowie's memetic role as Jareth in the fantasy film ''Film/{{Labyrinth}}''.
* Jackson wanted Creator/LucyLawless of all people to play Galadriel, but she had to turn it down due to her pregnancy at the time (yet another choice foiled by this) and her tight television schedule. Lawless has stated that she really wanted that role too and it broke her heart not to be able to accept it.
* Music/DavidBowie actively campaigned to be in the films, and right since the time of their release there were wild rumors that he had auditioned for a role, most popularly suspected to be Elrond (though others say he tried for Gandalf instead, or possibly both). After Bowie's death, it was revealed the story was true and he had been in talks with the team, though at this point the story gets [[https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2016/12/david-bowie-gandalf-elrond-lotr blurred]]: casting director Amy Hubbard claims Bowie discovered he was unavailable and therefore never auditioned for any role, while Creator/DominicMonaghan recalls he and Bowie actually ran into each other in the auditions, although he never found out which character Bowie had gone to try for (he personally believes it should be Gandalf). Reasons why Bowie was not chosen remain unclear too, but given that Jackson was strong on the idea of casting unknowns, noting that "to have a famous, beloved character and a famous star colliding is slightly uncomfortable", it is assumed he simply did not want Bowie's sheer star power to overshadow the character and the rest of the cast. Philippa Boyens also stated that the producers initially regarded Bowie as the perfect
* Jackson wanted Creator/LucyLawless of all people to play Galadriel, but she had to turn it down due to her pregnancy at the time (yet another choice foiled by this) and her tight television schedule. Lawless has stated that she really wanted that role too and it broke her heart not to be able to accept it.
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** Creator/PatrickStewart was in talks with Jackson, who wanted him to play Gandalf. Stewart was annoyed, as he wanted another role instead (he has not revealed which), and after reading the script and not being fond of it, he turned down the offer.
** The retired Creator/PatrickMcGoohan was the next option for Gandalf, but he declined due to ill health. Rumoredly, Creator/NigelHawthorne was contacted yet turned it down for the same reason.
** Creator/ChristopherPlummer, a life long Tolkien fan, was contacted next. He declined due to the long filming schedule, stating "there were other countries he he'd like to visit before he'd croak". He has revealed to feel a bit of regret about it, even jokingly claiming to hate Creator/IanMcKellen for taking the role.
** Creator/TomBaker was offered the role of Gandalf, but he turned it down because he didn't want to be in New Zealand for 18 months at a time. Interestingly, Baker once implied the offer was not necessarily Gandalf, or perhaps that they also offered him a second role which he rejected too. Speculation still exists on what this character may have been, with some believing that it might have been Radagast the Brown (which eventually went to fellow ''Series/DoctorWho'' alum Creator/SylvesterMcCoy in ''Film/TheHobbit'') or even Tom Bombadil.
** The retired Creator/PatrickMcGoohan was the next option for Gandalf, but he declined due to ill health. Rumoredly, Creator/NigelHawthorne was contacted yet turned it down for the same reason.
** Creator/ChristopherPlummer, a life long Tolkien fan, was contacted next. He declined due to the long filming schedule, stating "there were other countries he he'd like to visit before he'd croak". He has revealed to feel a bit of regret about it, even jokingly claiming to hate Creator/IanMcKellen for taking the role.
** Creator/TomBaker was offered the role of Gandalf, but he turned it down because he didn't want to be in New Zealand for 18 months at a time. Interestingly, Baker once implied the offer was not necessarily Gandalf, or perhaps that they also offered him a second role which he rejected too. Speculation still exists on what this character may have been, with some believing that it might have been Radagast the Brown (which eventually went to fellow ''Series/DoctorWho'' alum Creator/SylvesterMcCoy in ''Film/TheHobbit'') or even Tom Bombadil.
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** Creator/PatrickStewart was in talks with Jackson, who wanted him to play Gandalf. Stewart was annoyed, annoyed by the conditions, as he was not fond of the script he was given and also wanted another a different role instead (he has not revealed which), and after reading the script and not being fond of it, he ultimately turned down the offer.
** The retired Creator/PatrickMcGoohan was the next option for Gandalf, reportedly due to his magnificent role in ''Film/{{Braveheart}}'', but he declined due to ill health. Others say, which is not necessarily incompatible with the previous, that at some point he was also Jackson's first choice for Denethor, only it fell down after Patrick proved to be "quite grumpy" during a meeting.
** Rumoredly, Creator/NigelHawthorne was contacted after [=McGoohan=], yet turned it down forthe same reason.
similar health reasons.
** Creator/ChristopherPlummer, a life long Tolkien fan, was contactednext.next by the producers. He declined due to the long filming schedule, stating "there were other countries he he'd like to visit before he'd croak". He has revealed to feel a bit of regret about it, even jokingly claiming to hate Creator/IanMcKellen for taking the role.
** Creator/TomBaker was also offered the role of Gandalf, but he turned it down because he didn't want to be in New Zealand for 18 months at a time. Interestingly, Baker once implied the offer was not necessarily Gandalf, or perhaps that they also offered him a second role which he rejected too. Speculation still exists on what this character may have been, with some believing that it might have been Radagast the Brown (which eventually went to fellow ''Series/DoctorWho'' alum Creator/SylvesterMcCoy in ''Film/TheHobbit'') or even Tom Bombadil.
** The retired Creator/PatrickMcGoohan was the next option for Gandalf, reportedly due to his magnificent role in ''Film/{{Braveheart}}'', but he declined due to ill health. Others say, which is not necessarily incompatible with the previous, that at some point he was also Jackson's first choice for Denethor, only it fell down after Patrick proved to be "quite grumpy" during a meeting.
** Rumoredly, Creator/NigelHawthorne was contacted after [=McGoohan=], yet turned it down for
** Creator/ChristopherPlummer, a life long Tolkien fan, was contacted
** Creator/TomBaker was also offered the role of Gandalf, but he turned it down because he didn't want to be in New Zealand for 18 months at a time. Interestingly, Baker once implied the offer was not necessarily Gandalf, or perhaps that they also offered him a second role which he rejected too. Speculation still exists on what this character may have been, with some believing that it might have been Radagast the Brown (which eventually went to fellow ''Series/DoctorWho'' alum Creator/SylvesterMcCoy in ''Film/TheHobbit'') or even Tom Bombadil.
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** Other candidates rumoredly included Creator/MorganFreeman and Creator/PeterOToole.
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** Other candidates sought by the producers, though not by Jackson, rumoredly included Creator/MorganFreeman and Creator/PeterOToole.
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* At its time, it was rumored Creator/TimCurry, Creator/JeremyIrons and Creator/MalcolmMcDowell had been considered for Saruman. Christopher Lee later denied this, stating Jackson told him he was his only choice for the character.
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* At its time, it Christopher Lee stated Jackson told him he was rumored his only choice for Saruman, but rumors claim Jackson had also considered Creator/TimCurry, Creator/JeremyIrons and Creator/MalcolmMcDowell had been considered for Saruman. Christopher in case Lee later denied this, stating Jackson told him he was his only choice for the character.refused.
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* Music/DavidBowie actively campaigned to be in the films, and right since the time of their release there were wild rumors that he had auditioned for a role, most popularly suspected to be Elrond (though others say he tried for Gandalf instead, or possibly both). After Bowie's death, it was revealed the story was true and he had been in talks with the team, though at this point the story gets [[https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2016/12/david-bowie-gandalf-elrond-lotr blurred]]: casting director Amy Hubbard claims Bowie discovered he was unavailable and therefore never auditioned for any role, while Creator/DominicMonaghan recalls he and Bowie actually ran into each other in the auditions, although he never found out which character Bowie had gone to try for (he believes it should be Gandalf). Reasons why Bowie would have been rejected remain undisclosed, but the main hypothesis is that somebody in the higher ups (possibly Jackson himself, always fond of casting unknowns) feared his sheer star power would overshadow the rest of the cast. Bowie's memetic role as Jareth in the fantasy film ''Film/{{Labyrinth}}'' is also cited as a possible reason why he was considered unfit.
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* Music/DavidBowie actively campaigned to be in the films, and right since the time of their release there were wild rumors that he had auditioned for a role, most popularly suspected to be Elrond (though others say he tried for Gandalf instead, or possibly both). After Bowie's death, it was revealed the story was true and he had been in talks with the team, though at this point the story gets [[https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2016/12/david-bowie-gandalf-elrond-lotr blurred]]: casting director Amy Hubbard claims Bowie discovered he was unavailable and therefore never auditioned for any role, while Creator/DominicMonaghan recalls he and Bowie actually ran into each other in the auditions, although he never found out which character Bowie had gone to try for (he believes it should be Gandalf). Reasons why Bowie would have been rejected was not chosen remain undisclosed, unclear too, but the main hypothesis is given that somebody in the higher ups (possibly Jackson himself, always fond was strong on the idea of casting unknowns) feared his unknowns, noting that "to have a famous, beloved character and a famous star colliding is slightly uncomfortable", it is assumed he simply did not want Bowie's sheer star power would to overshadow the character and the rest of the cast. Philippa Boyens also stated that the producers initially regarded Bowie as the perfect role for Elrond, only to change their mind upon remembering Bowie's memetic role as Jareth in the fantasy film ''Film/{{Labyrinth}}'' is also cited as a possible reason why he was considered unfit.''Film/{{Labyrinth}}''.
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* Creator/PatrickMcGoohan was the first choice for Denethor, but proved to be "quite grumpy" during a meeting. Creator/DonaldSutherland was also considered.
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* Creator/PatrickMcGoohan was the first choice for Denethor, but proved to be "quite grumpy" during a meeting. Creator/DonaldSutherland was also considered.considered for Denethor.
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* A study of the original drafts of Tolkien reveals that the character we know today as the Witch-King was going to be called the "Wizard-King": originally, Gandalf explained his great fear of the leader of the Nazgûl by the fact that he used to be of the same order as himself (aka, another wizard/Istari), that fell completely under the corruption of Sauron. Tolkien however decided to change the character so that all Nazgûl would have a human origin - hence the change from "Wizard-King" to "Witch-King", to better differentiate him from the Istari.
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* A study of the original drafts of Tolkien reveals that the character we know today as the Witch-King was going to be called the "Wizard-King": originally, Gandalf explained his great fear of the leader of the Nazgûl by the fact that he used to be of the same order of wizards as himself (aka, another wizard/Istari), that himself, but fell completely under the corruption of Sauron. Tolkien however decided to change the character so that all Nazgûl character's nature as he decided the Istari would have a human be inhuman of origin - hence the change from "Wizard-King" to "Witch-King", to better differentiate him from the Istari.
Istari. [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7ihyQEHs7g Here is a video on the subject]], for those interested.
