History WhatCouldHaveBeen / Literature

22nd Oct '17 2:05:56 PM SwampAdder
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* Early outlines of ''Literature/TheHobbit'' had some minor changes compared to the finished product ([[http://thorinoakenshield.net/2013/09/12/the-evolution-of-smaug/ Smaug was originally called Pryftan, for example]], and Gandalf was a Dwarf named Bladorthin). Probably the biggest and most drastic change was Bilbo killing Smaug instead of Bard. While an interesting idea by itself, how it would have happened is kind of...crazy. Bilbo would have infiltrated Smaug's lair, then stabbed him through the bare spot in his chest with Sting (which went so deep it vanished completely), and then ''ride a golden bowl like a surfboard on the massive amount of blood pouring out of Smaug's belly'' before triumphantly exiting the mountain. It's interesting to note that this idea got [[HilariousInHindsight an unintentional nod]] in the Peter Jackson trilogy when Legolas rides an Uruk-hai shield like a surfboard.

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* Early outlines of ''Literature/TheHobbit'' had some minor changes compared to the finished product ([[http://thorinoakenshield.net/2013/09/12/the-evolution-of-smaug/ Smaug was originally called Pryftan, for example]], and Gandalf was a the name "Gandalf" belonged to the the chief Dwarf named Bladorthin).rather than the wizard). Probably the biggest and most drastic change was Bilbo killing Smaug instead of Bard. While an interesting idea by itself, how it would have happened is kind of...crazy. Bilbo would have infiltrated Smaug's lair, then stabbed him through the bare spot in his chest with Sting (which went so deep it vanished completely), and then ''ride a golden bowl like a surfboard on the massive amount of blood pouring out of Smaug's belly'' before triumphantly exiting the mountain. It's interesting to note that this idea got [[HilariousInHindsight an unintentional nod]] in the Peter Jackson trilogy when Legolas rides an Uruk-hai shield like a surfboard.
15th Oct '17 7:09:20 AM JamesAustin
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* ''WhatCouldHaveBeen/{{Scaramouche}}''

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8th Oct '17 4:54:32 PM nombretomado
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* The ''Literature/{{Mistborn}}'' trilogy was originally two unrelated works- one which BrandonSanderson calls "Mistborn Prime", which introduced the titular magic-using assassins, and "Final Empire Prime", which introduced the AfterTheEnd setting ruled by a PhysicalGod EvilOverlord. Not really liking either one, he took what he liked from both and made something completely new. Also, the trilogy's protagonist was originally supposed to be a guy, but Sanderson had a hard time getting a grip on the character- until he turned "him" into [[ActionGirl a girl]], and suddenly Vin really gelled for the first time.

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* The ''Literature/{{Mistborn}}'' trilogy was originally two unrelated works- one which BrandonSanderson Creator/BrandonSanderson calls "Mistborn Prime", which introduced the titular magic-using assassins, and "Final Empire Prime", which introduced the AfterTheEnd setting ruled by a PhysicalGod EvilOverlord. Not really liking either one, he took what he liked from both and made something completely new. Also, the trilogy's protagonist was originally supposed to be a guy, but Sanderson had a hard time getting a grip on the character- until he turned "him" into [[ActionGirl a girl]], and suddenly Vin really gelled for the first time.
1st Oct '17 2:36:31 PM PrincessGwen
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** Instead of the Caucus Race being used to dry off Alice and the animals, the Dodo would have lead them all to a nearby cottage he knew of, where they could dry off. As they walked, the Dodo, the Eaglet, the Lory, and Alice all outwalked the others, so they went ahead while leaving the duck to lead the rest. This was based off of a real event that happened on the outing when Carroll first told Alice the story. As they were finishing their boating, it burst out raining and Carroll lead them to a cottage he knew was nearby, where they could dry off. He and the Liddell sisters (Alice, Edith, and L.C.) walked faster than the rest, so they left Canon Duckworth, a member of the group, to lead everyone else there. Carroll eventually used the Caucus Race instead, because he felt that the event he was basing the cottage story off of was too obscure and would only be funny to the circle of people who had been involved.

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** Instead of the Caucus Race being used to dry off Alice and the animals, the Dodo would have lead led them all to a nearby cottage he knew of, where they could dry off. As they walked, the Dodo, the Eaglet, the Lory, and Alice all outwalked the others, so they went ahead while leaving the duck to lead the rest. This was based off of a real event that happened on the outing when Carroll first told Alice the story. As they were finishing their boating, it burst out raining and Carroll lead led them to a cottage he knew was nearby, where they could dry off. He and the Liddell sisters (Alice, Edith, and L.C.) walked faster than the rest, so they left Canon Duckworth, a member of the group, to lead everyone else there. Carroll eventually used the Caucus Race instead, because he felt that the event he was basing the cottage story off of was too obscure and would only be funny to the circle of people who had been involved.
1st Oct '17 2:34:34 PM PrincessGwen
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* In the rough draft of ''Literature/AliceInWonderland'' (called Alice's Adventures Underground) their was no "Caucus Race", "Pig and Pepper", "Mad Tea Party" or Cheshire Cat. Titles considered were "Alice Among The Elves", "Alice's Golden Hour", and "Alice's Adventures in Wonderland" which became the final title.

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* In the rough draft of ''Literature/AliceInWonderland'' (called Alice's Adventures Underground) their there was no "Caucus Race", "Pig and Pepper", "Mad Tea Party" or Cheshire Cat. Titles considered were "Alice Among The Elves", "Alice's Golden Hour", and "Alice's Adventures in Wonderland" which became the final title.
20th May '17 11:23:44 AM nombretomado
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* The ''Franchise/{{Ultima}}'' novels ''Ultima Saga: The Forge of Virtue'' and ''Ultima Saga: The Temper of Wisdom'' were going to be followed by a third book.

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* The ''Franchise/{{Ultima}}'' ''VideoGame/{{Ultima}}'' novels ''Ultima Saga: The Forge of Virtue'' and ''Ultima Saga: The Temper of Wisdom'' were going to be followed by a third book.
30th Apr '17 2:00:27 PM Pinokio
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* Jeff Green 's novel ''The Cudgel of Xanthor'' would have detailed the development process of the FictionalVideoGame series mentioned in the magazines ''Computer Gaming World'' and ''Games For Windows: The Official Magazine'', and chronicled the life of Xanthor in a fantasy world.

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* Jeff Green 's novel ''The Cudgel of Xanthor'' would have detailed the development process of the ''Xanthor'' FictionalVideoGame series mentioned in the magazines ''Computer Gaming World'' and ''Games For Windows: The Official Magazine'', and chronicled while chronicling the life of the character Xanthor in a fantasy world.
30th Apr '17 1:14:19 PM Pinokio
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* Jeff Green 's novel ''The Cudgel of Xanthor'' would have detailed the development process of the FictionalVideoGame series mentioned in the magazines ''Computer Gaming World'' and ''Games For Windows: The Official Magazine'', and chronicled the life of Xanthor in a fantasy world.
25th Apr '17 11:34:05 AM leelea
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** ''Literature/FantasticBeastsAndWhereToFindThem'' introduced the idea of a "Lethifold", basically a murderous living blanket that would smother its victim and could only be defeated by using a Patronus (making it an obvious foe for Harry, since that's one of his best spells). This was revealed during the long wait for the latter books, and many people expected the Lethifold would show up, but in the end it never did.

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** ''Literature/FantasticBeastsAndWhereToFindThem'' introduced the idea of a "Lethifold", "Lethifold" -- basically a murderous living blanket that would smother its victim and could only be defeated by using a Patronus (making it an obvious foe for Harry, since that's the Patronus is one of his best spells). This was revealed during the long wait for the latter books, and many people expected the Lethifold would show up, up but in the end end, it never did.



*** ''A Dance With Dragons'' was the working title for the 4th book when the time progression ideas were intended to be used, with ''The Winds of Winter'' to follow (the working title for the final book as "A Time For Wolves"). Book 4 became ''A Feast For Crows'' when the plot was adjusted, because the title better suited the events of the book: showing the repercussions of the War on Westeros and how the land was far from recovering from the devastation of War, although any plans to hint at the plans of the Others (who loom in the background still) were discarded when the POV split happened. The 7th book was -- and still is -- intended to be titled ''A Dream of Spring''.
*** Following all this, ADWD was meant to cover the other POV chapters, as well as going a little beyond into several plots left hanging or still intended to merge... Sadly, the book ended up ''still'' too long, and so some 200 pages were transferred to the start of TWOW - leaving us with a few unresolved climaxes and several characters not having chapters in that book despite Martin's intent. Currently, the 6th book is a WIP.
** After the fiasco caused by ''A Feast for Crows'' and ''A Dance with Dragons'', Martin has since commented on what he considers a "What ''Should'' Have Been - feeling the narrative should have been given a greater TimeSkip from Robert's Rebellion to the present, as he says that the younger characters (the surviving Stark and Baratheon children most of all) are too young for the plotlines he'd intended for them and that he needed to adjust his overall plans to accommodate them. This is a major reason the later books have taken so long to be completed as well as for the expansion - Bran in particular is very difficult to write, not being 10 yet but a POV character, and his arc has fewer chapters then most other POV characters; plus, all the books have moved slower than he intended in terms of plot progression, which was what necessitated the TimeSkip to ''begin'' with. GRRM admits that if he'd only made the younger characters older from the start, the books would likely have been finished satisfyingly by now - this is reflected in the TV Series, which gave the younger cast a 2-3 year AgeLift by means of a greater TimeSkip post-Rebellion, partly to avoid this problem and partly to get around child labor laws/nudity taboos, even if the narrative has a great many differences in adaptation.

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*** ''A Dance With Dragons'' was the working title for the 4th book when the time progression ideas were intended to be used, with ''The Winds of Winter'' to follow (the working title for the final book as "A Time For Wolves"). Book 4 became ''A Feast For for Crows'' when the plot was adjusted, because the title better suited the events of the book: showing the repercussions of the War on Westeros and how the land was far from recovering from the devastation of War, although any plans to hint at the plans of the Others (who loom in the background still) were discarded when the POV split happened. The 7th book was -- and still is -- intended to be titled ''A Dream of Spring''.
*** Following all this, ADWD ''A Dance With Dragons'' was meant to cover the other POV chapters, as well as going a little beyond into several plots left hanging or still intended to merge... Sadly, the book ended up ''still'' too long, and so some 200 pages were transferred to the start of TWOW - ''The Winds of Winter'' -- leaving us with a few unresolved climaxes and several characters not having chapters in that book despite Martin's intent. Currently, the 6th book is a WIP.
** After the fiasco caused by ''A Feast for Crows'' and ''A Dance with Dragons'', Martin has since commented on what he considers a "What ''Should'' Have Been - Been" -- feeling the narrative should have been given a greater TimeSkip from Robert's Rebellion to the present, as he says that the younger characters (the surviving Stark and Baratheon children most of all) are too young for the plotlines he'd intended for them and that he needed to adjust his overall plans to accommodate them. This is a major reason the later books have taken so long to be completed as well as for the expansion - Bran in particular is very difficult to write, not being 10 yet but a POV character, and his arc has fewer chapters then most other POV characters; plus, all the books have moved slower than he intended in terms of plot progression, which was what necessitated the TimeSkip to ''begin'' with. GRRM admits that if he'd only made the younger characters older from the start, the books would likely have been finished satisfyingly by now - this is reflected in the TV Series, which gave the younger cast a 2-3 year AgeLift by means of a greater TimeSkip post-Rebellion, partly to avoid this problem and partly to get around child labor laws/nudity taboos, even if the narrative has a great many differences in adaptation.
25th Apr '17 11:28:03 AM leelea
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** Another huge aborted arc regards Theodore Nott. He's a Slytherin student in Harry's year that basically does nothing in the whole series. Originally, though, a chapter called "Malfoy and Nott" was going to be about Draco Malfoy and Theodore Nott talking and discussing the myths between the Death Eaters about The Boy Who Lived. The chapter would present Draco as talking to an equal, as Theodore's blood is as pure as his. Theodore himself was also going to be a recurring character, according to Rowling, he's a quiet student that doesn't get along with the rest of the Slytherin students and that didn't necessarily approve of their ideas. Fanwank has theorized that he could have been a TokenGoodTeammate of sorts. For those that felt the Slytherin students were excessively characterized as AlwaysChaoticEvil, this is a serious wasted plotline, if only to show a Slytherin student that wasn't a complete asshole. Rowling herself reportedly liked the scene so much and tried to use it both in Chamber of Secrets and later in Goblet of Fire, before finally giving up on it.

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** Another huge aborted arc regards Theodore Nott. He's a Slytherin student in Harry's year that basically does nothing in the whole series. Originally, though, a chapter called "Malfoy and Nott" was going to be about Draco Malfoy and Theodore Nott talking and discussing the myths between the Death Eaters about The Boy Who Lived. The chapter would present Draco as talking to an equal, as Theodore's blood is as pure as his. Theodore himself was also going to be a recurring character, according to Rowling, he's a quiet student that doesn't get along with the rest of the Slytherin students and that didn't necessarily approve of their ideas. Fanwank has theorized that he could have been a TokenGoodTeammate of sorts. For those that felt the Slytherin students were excessively characterized as AlwaysChaoticEvil, this is perceived as a serious seriously wasted plotline, if only to show a Slytherin student that wasn't a complete asshole. Rowling herself reportedly liked the scene so much and tried to use it both in Chamber of Secrets and later in Goblet of Fire, before finally giving up on it.



** However, once the story came into shape as a fantasy-based tale (beyond the initial setup of a young boy seeing a man beheaded and then findng the direwolf pups in the snow), one thing ''never'' changed -- Eddard Stark and his eldest son Robb were ''always'' intended to die, specifically in defiance of audience expectations that Ned would be TheHero; once he went the way of DisappearedDad, Robb would ''look'' like TheHero, only to be killed off instead of avenging his father, so the audience wouldn't assume that was the story's focus. On that:
*** The Red Wedding was intended, in the earliest stages, to be the climax of ''A Game of Thrones'': the other plot aspects were intended for the trilogy's 2nd and 3rd books. Once Ned Stark's arc overtook the 1st book's plot (it's hard to tell if he was always meant to be a POV character) and the other plots were more deeply fleshed out, ''A Clash of Kings'' was developed to cover the War of the Five Kings arc, likely with the Red Wedding intended to occur ''here'' as a climax -- it was GRRM's realizing just how much plot he still had that needed to breathe which led to him expanding the war and its immediate aftermath into ASOS, and the Red Wedding finally took place just over halfway through that book.

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** However, once the story came into shape as a fantasy-based tale (beyond the initial setup of a young boy seeing a man beheaded and then findng finding the direwolf pups in the snow), one thing ''never'' changed -- Eddard Stark and his eldest son Robb were ''always'' intended to die, specifically in defiance of audience expectations that Ned would be TheHero; once he went the way of DisappearedDad, Robb would ''look'' like TheHero, only to be killed off instead of avenging his father, so the audience wouldn't assume that was the story's focus. On that:
*** The Red Wedding was intended, in the earliest stages, to be the climax of ''A Game of Thrones'': the other plot aspects were intended for the trilogy's 2nd and 3rd books. Once Ned Stark's arc overtook the 1st book's plot (it's hard to tell if he was always meant to be a POV character) and the other plots were more deeply fleshed out, ''A Clash of Kings'' was developed to cover the War of the Five Kings arc, likely with the Red Wedding intended to occur ''here'' as a climax -- it was GRRM's realizing just how much plot he still had that needed to breathe which led to him expanding the war and its immediate aftermath into ASOS, ''A Storm of Swords'', and the Red Wedding finally took place just over halfway through that book.
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