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'''Instead''': He orders his men to charge the Mumakil and we're then treated to a montage of them getting trampled, tossed aside by their tusks or shot by the Haradrim. Had Aragorn not shown up with the Dead Men of Dunharrow when he did, it's likely the Rohirrim would have been wiped out. Ironically, it's not this act of stupidity that gets Théoden killed. It's the Witch-King that does him in.\\
'''Reason''': This actually is result of ExecutiveMeddling of the Movie. Shooting the poor elephants at the eyes considered is animal cruelty and would invite protest from animal protection groups so they changed ''Shooting war elephants at the eyes thingy'' in the book to charge right to enemy ranks.
'''Reason''': This actually is result of ExecutiveMeddling of the Movie. Shooting the poor elephants at the eyes considered is animal cruelty and would invite protest from animal protection groups so they changed ''Shooting war elephants at the eyes thingy'' in the book to charge right to enemy ranks.
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'''Instead''': He Thanks to ExecutiveMeddling (shooting elephants in the eyes would be rather blatant animal cruelty, regardless of the reality of the situation, and would invite protest from animal protection groups), he orders his men to charge the Mumakil and we're then treated to a montage of them getting trampled, tossed aside by their tusks or shot by the Haradrim. Had Aragorn not shown up with the Dead Men of Dunharrow when he did, it's likely the Rohirrim would have been wiped out. Ironically, it's not this act of stupidity that gets Théoden killed. It's the Witch-King that does him in.\\
'''Reason''': This actually is result of ExecutiveMeddling of the Movie. Shooting the poor elephants at the eyes considered is animal cruelty and would invite protest from animal protection groups so they changed ''Shooting war elephants at the eyes thingy'' in the book to charge right to enemy ranks.
'''Reason''': This actually is result of ExecutiveMeddling of the Movie. Shooting the poor elephants at the eyes considered is animal cruelty and would invite protest from animal protection groups so they changed ''Shooting war elephants at the eyes thingy'' in the book to charge right to enemy ranks.
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* Elrond and the household of Rivendell decides to leave for the Grey Havens ''in the middle of war'', complete with ritual lanterns glowing in the dark and almost no visible armor or weapons. ''At night!''\\
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* In the film, Elrond and the household of Rivendell decides to leave for the Grey Havens ''in the middle of war'', complete with ritual lanterns glowing in the dark and almost no visible armor or weapons. ''At night!''\\
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'''You'd Expect''': Théoden would order his men to keep their distance from the Mumakil and shoot arrows at them or throw spears (like what Eomer does during the bellow "Instead") at the riders.\\
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'''You'd Expect''': Théoden would order his men to keep their distance from the Mumakil and shoot arrows at them or throw spears (like what Eomer does during the bellow below "Instead") at the riders.\\
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'''Instead''': He just lets him go and makes no attempt to stop him from escaping with the fact that Saruman has allied with Sauron.
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'''Instead''': He just lets him go and makes no attempt to stop him from escaping with the fact that Saruman has allied with Sauron. Less of a problem in the book, since we don't see Saruman using fireballs (and [[AllThereInTheManual some of Tolkien's notes]] give multiple versions of Gandalf's escape that agree on Saruman not being there at the time.
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'''Instead''': Gandalf only gives a vague answer that he would only go there if he had no choice, and eventually has to let Frodo decide to go there when Saruman blocks the other paths. Furthermore, even in this instance, Gandalf refuses to warn them until said demon is basically on top of them.
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'''Instead''': Gandalf only gives a vague answer that he would only go there if he had no choice, and eventually has to let Frodo decide to go there when Saruman blocks the other paths. Furthermore, even in this instance, Gandalf refuses to warn them until said demon is basically on top of them. Again, not a problem in the book because Gandalf didn't know there was a Balrog; all he knew was that there was some vague danger.
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If you look at the battlefield, there's no higher ground, and nearly all of Rohon's cavalry are dead.
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* In the film, Aragorn and the healthy survivors from the Battle of Minas Tirith march to the front door of Mordor as a distraction for Frodo and Sam.\\
'''You'd Expect''': Granted, they are already fighting a hopeless battle and they know it, but since the point of this endeavor is to buy time, the heroes would make sure to stack things in their favor. They could fight from higher ground and use cavalry since Rohan is allied with them.\\
'''Instead''': They are surrounded on flat land without cavalry and would have been crushed if not for [[DeusExMachina Mordor's collapse]]. Webcomic/DMOfTheRings lampshades this and it's used for the image of HollywoodTactics.
'''You'd Expect''': Granted, they are already fighting a hopeless battle and they know it, but since the point of this endeavor is to buy time, the heroes would make sure to stack things in their favor. They could fight from higher ground and use cavalry since Rohan is allied with them.\\
'''Instead''': They are surrounded on flat land without cavalry and would have been crushed if not for [[DeusExMachina Mordor's collapse]]. Webcomic/DMOfTheRings lampshades this and it's used for the image of HollywoodTactics.
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->--'''Gandalf''', ''Film/TheLordOfTheRings: The Fellowship of the Ring''
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To attempt to take the Ring, for any reason, within the crack of Mount Doom, would make the person trying fall under the Ring's power. If Elrond had attacked Isildur, the Ring would have taken him instantly, and they would have been screwed even worse with a mighty elven lord under the Ring's control.
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* Right after that, Elrond and Isildur take the ring up to Mount Doom to destroy it, but it corrupts Isildur, who responds to Elrond yelling "DESTROY IT!" with a LittleNo, and decides to keep it.\\
'''You'd Expect:''' [[JustEatGilligan Elrond to stop Isildur]], lethally if necessary (though it would cause a war to happen between the Elves and the race of Men), and toss the ring in.\\
'''Instead:''' Elrond does absolutely ''nothing'' and lets Isildur walk off with the ring and the entire plot happens.
'''You'd Expect:''' [[JustEatGilligan Elrond to stop Isildur]], lethally if necessary (though it would cause a war to happen between the Elves and the race of Men), and toss the ring in.\\
'''Instead:''' Elrond does absolutely ''nothing'' and lets Isildur walk off with the ring and the entire plot happens.
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'''Instead:''' Elrond does absolutely ''nothing'' and lets Isildur walk off with the ring and the entire plot happens.\\
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'''Instead:''' Elrond does absolutely ''nothing'' and lets Isildur walk off with the ring and the entire plot happens.\\
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irrelevant to Elrond's point, which was about how men are vulnerable to the temptations of the Ring.
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'''Instead:''' Elrond does absolutely ''nothing'' and lets Isildur walk off with the ring and the entire plot happens. He later uses this Isildur's action as an example of the weakness of men, completely ignoring the fact that some of the blame for the Ring's continued existence in on him for letting Isildur leave.\\
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'''Instead:''' Elrond does absolutely ''nothing'' and lets Isildur walk off with the ring and the entire plot happens. He later uses this Isildur's action as an example of the weakness of men, completely ignoring the fact that some of the blame for the Ring's continued existence in on him for letting Isildur leave.\\
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'''Instead:''' Elrond does absolutely ''nothing'' and lets Isildur walk off with the ring and the entire plot happens.
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'''Instead:''' Elrond does absolutely ''nothing'' and lets Isildur walk off with the ring and the entire plot happens. He later uses this Isildur's action as an example of the weakness of men, completely ignoring the fact that some of the blame for the Ring's continued existence in on him for letting Isildur leave.\\
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* Aragorn and the healthy survivors from the Battle of Minas Tirith march to the front door of Mordor as a distraction for Frodo and Sam.\\
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* In the film, Aragorn and the healthy survivors from the Battle of Minas Tirith march to the front door of Mordor as a distraction for Frodo and Sam.\\
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the, the, the, among other problems; there's a giant gate and heroes massively outnumbered
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'''You'd Think''': Sauron would quickly finish Isildur with his huge killing mace, and kill him instantly. After all, just because you foot stomp and break a blade, doesn't mean it's useless, and can still be used as an improvised weapon.\\
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'''You'd Think''': Expect''': Sauron would quickly finish Isildur with his huge killing mace, and kill him instantly. After all, just because you foot stomp and break a blade, doesn't mean it's useless, and can still be used as an improvised weapon.\\
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'''You'd Think''': Saruman would summon a fireball (like how he does in the Extended Edition of ''Return of the King'') and kill the eagle by burning it, along with Gandalf, so that he can't escape.\\
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'''You'd Think''': Expect''': Saruman would summon a fireball (like how he does in the Extended Edition of ''Return of the King'') and kill the eagle by burning it, along with Gandalf, so that he can't escape.\\
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'''You'd Think:''' Everyone in the party would come to accept this fact.\\
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'''You'd Think:''' Expect:''' Everyone in the party would come to accept this fact.\\
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'''You'd Think:''' Denethor would listen to Gandalf, who has proven to be wise - if somewhat obtuse at times - and pretty much the one thing that can push the Nazgul back. And even if Gandalf supports Aragorn as King of Gondor, it does not mean that he cannot maintain his position, advising the king on important matters.\\
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'''You'd Think:''' Expect:''' Denethor would listen to Gandalf, who has proven to be wise - -- if somewhat obtuse at times - -- and pretty much the one thing that can push the Nazgul back. And even if Gandalf supports Aragorn as King of Gondor, it does not mean that he cannot maintain his position, advising the king on important matters.\\
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'''You'd Think''': Denethor would lock the doors, ordered them barred, maybe send one or two of his YesMan guards out to keep watch.\\
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'''You'd Think''': Expect''': Denethor would lock the doors, ordered them barred, maybe send one or two of his YesMan guards out to keep watch.\\
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'''You'd Think''': If Denethor is really this set on killing himself, he would go all in and have his guards hold the line against Gandalf, who will doubtless interfere.\\
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'''You'd Think''': Expect''': If Denethor is really this set on killing himself, he would go all in and have his guards hold the line against Gandalf, who will doubtless interfere.\\
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'''You'd Think''': Théoden would order his men to keep their distance from the Mumakil and shoot arrows at them or throw spears (like what Eomer does during the bellow "Instead") at the riders.\\
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'''You'd Think''': Expect''': Théoden would order his men to keep their distance from the Mumakil and shoot arrows at them or throw spears (like what Eomer does during the bellow "Instead") at the riders.\\
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* Aragorn and healthy survivors from Battle of Minas Tirith marched to front of Mordor.\\
** '''You'd Think''':
*** (Only in Movie) For Sauron's side:
*** 1. There would be any ambush / barricade / raid / something at marching force, or at least put battle where they will be advantageous taking HomeFieldAdvantage into effect ''or'' They put serious effort in patrolling and border security.\\
'''Instead''': They Do Nothing. So Aragon and Co. [[MemeticMutation can walk into Mordor]]'s unopposed.\\
2. Attack Aragorn's force after Aragorn kills Sauron's Lieutenant because Aragon and co. means business and they can flank as they hold numerical superiority.\\
'''Instead''': They Do Nothing. Again. And wait for the giant fire-eyeball-give signal to attack.\\
'''Result''': Much of the surrounding orcs are killed as Mordor collapse and the rest are killed.
*** (Only in Movie) For Heroes' side:
*** 1. To fight at the high, steep cliff in front of Mordor.\\
2. Using some cavalry in their force as Rohan is allied with them.\\
'''Instead''': They are surrounded and would be crushed if aforementioned [[DeusExMachina Mordor collapse]] didn't happen. Yes Webcomic/DMOfTheRings lampshades this and it's used for image of HollywoodTactics.\\
** '''You'd Think''':
*** (Only in Movie) For Sauron's side:
*** 1. There would be any ambush / barricade / raid / something at marching force, or at least put battle where they will be advantageous taking HomeFieldAdvantage into effect ''or'' They put serious effort in patrolling and border security.\\
'''Instead''': They Do Nothing. So Aragon and Co. [[MemeticMutation can walk into Mordor]]'s unopposed.\\
2. Attack Aragorn's force after Aragorn kills Sauron's Lieutenant because Aragon and co. means business and they can flank as they hold numerical superiority.\\
'''Instead''': They Do Nothing. Again. And wait for the giant fire-eyeball-give signal to attack.\\
'''Result''': Much of the surrounding orcs are killed as Mordor collapse and the rest are killed.
*** (Only in Movie) For Heroes' side:
*** 1. To fight at the high, steep cliff in front of Mordor.\\
2. Using some cavalry in their force as Rohan is allied with them.\\
'''Instead''': They are surrounded and would be crushed if aforementioned [[DeusExMachina Mordor collapse]] didn't happen. Yes Webcomic/DMOfTheRings lampshades this and it's used for image of HollywoodTactics.\\
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* Aragorn and the healthy survivors from the Battle of Minas Tirith marched march to the front door of Mordor.Mordor as a distraction for Frodo and Sam.\\
** '''You'd Think''':
*** (Only in Movie) For Sauron's side:
*** 1. There would be any ambush / barricade / raid / something at marching force, or at least putExpect''': Granted, they are already fighting a hopeless battle where and they will be advantageous taking HomeFieldAdvantage into effect ''or'' know it, but since the point of this endeavor is to buy time, the heroes would make sure to stack things in their favor. They put serious effort in patrolling could fight from higher ground and border security.use cavalry since Rohan is allied with them.\\
'''Instead''': They Do Nothing. So Aragon and Co. [[MemeticMutation can walk into Mordor]]'s unopposed.\\
2. Attack Aragorn's force after Aragorn kills Sauron's Lieutenant because Aragon and co. means business and they can flank as they hold numerical superiority.\\
'''Instead''': They Do Nothing. Again. And wait for the giant fire-eyeball-give signal to attack.\\
'''Result''': Much of the surrounding orcs are killed as Mordor collapse and the rest are killed.
*** (Only in Movie) For Heroes' side:
*** 1. To fight at the high, steep cliff in front of Mordor.\\
2. Using some cavalry in their force as Rohan is allied with them.\\
'''Instead''': They are surrounded on flat land without cavalry and would be have been crushed if aforementioned not for [[DeusExMachina Mordor collapse]] didn't happen. Yes Mordor's collapse]]. Webcomic/DMOfTheRings lampshades this and it's used for the image of HollywoodTactics.\\
*** (Only in Movie) For Sauron's side:
*** 1. There would be any ambush / barricade / raid / something at marching force, or at least put
2. Attack Aragorn's force after Aragorn kills Sauron's Lieutenant because Aragon and co. means business and they can flank as they hold numerical superiority.\\
'''Instead''': They Do Nothing. Again. And wait for the giant fire-eyeball-give signal to attack.\\
'''Result''': Much of the surrounding orcs are killed as Mordor collapse and the rest are killed.
*** (Only in Movie) For Heroes' side:
*** 1. To fight at the high, steep cliff in front of Mordor.\\
2. Using some cavalry in their force as Rohan is allied with them.\\
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At the rate they were dying, the orcs would still have likely won the battle.
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'''Instead''': He orders his men to charge the Mumakil and we're then treated to a montage of them getting trampled, tossed aside by their tusks or shot by the Haradrim. Ironically, it's not this act of stupidity that gets Théoden killed. It's the Witch-King that does him in.\\
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'''Instead''': He orders his men to charge the Mumakil and we're then treated to a montage of them getting trampled, tossed aside by their tusks or shot by the Haradrim. Had Aragorn not shown up with the Dead Men of Dunharrow when he did, it's likely the Rohirrim would have been wiped out. Ironically, it's not this act of stupidity that gets Théoden killed. It's the Witch-King that does him in.\\
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2. Using some cavalry in their force as Rohan is allied with them and there many riderless horses.\\
'''Instead''': They are surrounded and would be crushed if afore mentioned [[DeusExMachina Mordor collapse]] didn't happen. Yes Webcomic/DMOfTheRings lampshades this and it's used for image of HollywoodTactics.\\
'''Instead''': They are surrounded and would be crushed if afore mentioned [[DeusExMachina Mordor collapse]] didn't happen. Yes Webcomic/DMOfTheRings lampshades this and it's used for image of HollywoodTactics.\\
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2. Using some cavalry in their force as Rohan is allied with them and there many riderless horses.them.\\
'''Instead''': They are surrounded and would be crushed ifafore mentioned aforementioned [[DeusExMachina Mordor collapse]] didn't happen. Yes Webcomic/DMOfTheRings lampshades this and it's used for image of HollywoodTactics.\\
'''Instead''': They are surrounded and would be crushed if
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'''Instead''': He orders his men to charge the Mumakil and we're then treated to a montage of them getting trampled, tossed aside by their tusks or shot by the Haradrim. Ironically, it's not this act of stupidity that gets Théoden killed. It's the Witch-King that does him in.
'''Reason''': This actually is result of ExecutiveMeddling of the Movie. Shooting the poor elephants at the eyes considered is animal cruelty and would invite protest from animal protection groups so they changed ''Shooting war elephants at the eyes thingy'' to charge right to enemy ranks. \\
'''Reason''': This actually is result of ExecutiveMeddling of the Movie. Shooting the poor elephants at the eyes considered is animal cruelty and would invite protest from animal protection groups so they changed ''Shooting war elephants at the eyes thingy'' to charge right to enemy ranks. \\
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'''Instead''': He orders his men to charge the Mumakil and we're then treated to a montage of them getting trampled, tossed aside by their tusks or shot by the Haradrim. Ironically, it's not this act of stupidity that gets Théoden killed. It's the Witch-King that does him in.
in.\\
'''Reason''': This actually is result of ExecutiveMeddling of the Movie. Shooting the poor elephants at the eyes considered is animal cruelty and would invite protest from animal protection groups so they changed ''Shooting war elephants at the eyes thingy'' in the book to charge right to enemyranks. \\ranks.
'''Reason''': This actually is result of ExecutiveMeddling of the Movie. Shooting the poor elephants at the eyes considered is animal cruelty and would invite protest from animal protection groups so they changed ''Shooting war elephants at the eyes thingy'' in the book to charge right to enemy
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'''You'd Think''':
** (Only in Movie) For Sauron's side:
1. There would be any ambush / barricade / raid / something at marching force, or at least put battle where they will be advantageous taking HomeFieldAdvantage into effect ''or'' They put serious effort in patrolling and border security. \\
'''Instead''': They Do Nothing. So Aragon and Co. [[MemeticMutation can walk into Mordor]]'s unopposed. \\
** (Only in Movie) For Sauron's side:
1. There would be any ambush / barricade / raid / something at marching force, or at least put battle where they will be advantageous taking HomeFieldAdvantage into effect ''or'' They put serious effort in patrolling and border security. \\
'''Instead''': They Do Nothing. So Aragon and Co. [[MemeticMutation can walk into Mordor]]'s unopposed. \\
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** '''You'd Think''':
** *** (Only in Movie) For Sauron's side:
*** 1. There would be any ambush / barricade / raid / something at marching force, or at least put battle where they will be advantageous taking HomeFieldAdvantage into effect ''or'' They put serious effort in patrolling and border security. \\
'''Instead''': They Do Nothing. So Aragon and Co. [[MemeticMutation can walk into Mordor]]'s unopposed. \\
*** 1. There would be any ambush / barricade / raid / something at marching force, or at least put battle where they will be advantageous taking HomeFieldAdvantage into effect ''or'' They put serious effort in patrolling and border security.
'''Instead''': They Do Nothing. So Aragon and Co. [[MemeticMutation can walk into Mordor]]'s unopposed.
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'''Instead''': They Do Nothing. Again. And wait for the giant fire-eyeball-give signal to attack. \\
'''Result''': Much of the surrounding orcs are killed as Mordor collapse and the rest are killed. \\
** (Only in Movie) For Heroes' side:\\
1. To fight at the high, steep cliff in front of Mordor.\\
'''Result''': Much of the surrounding orcs are killed as Mordor collapse and the rest are killed. \\
** (Only in Movie) For Heroes' side:\\
1. To fight at the high, steep cliff in front of Mordor.\\
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'''Instead''': They Do Nothing. Again. And wait for the giant fire-eyeball-give signal to attack. \\
'''Result''': Much of the surrounding orcs are killed as Mordor collapse and the rest arekilled. \\
**killed.
*** (Only in Movie) For Heroes'side:\\
side:
*** 1. To fight at the high, steep cliff in front of Mordor.\\
'''Result''': Much of the surrounding orcs are killed as Mordor collapse and the rest are
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*** (Only in Movie) For Heroes'
*** 1. To fight at the high, steep cliff in front of Mordor.\\
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'''Instead''': They are surrounded and would be crushed if afore mentioned [[DeusExMachina Mordor collapse]] didn't happen. Yes ''Webcomic/DMOFTheRing'' lampshades this and it's used for image of HollywoodTactics.\\
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'''Instead''': They are surrounded and would be crushed if afore mentioned [[DeusExMachina Mordor collapse]] didn't happen. Yes ''Webcomic/DMOFTheRing'' Webcomic/DMOfTheRings lampshades this and it's used for image of HollywoodTactics.\\
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'''Reason''': This actually is result of ExecutiveMeddling. Shooting the poor elephants at the eyes considered is animal cruelty and would invite protest from animal protection groups so they changed ''Shooting war elephants at the eyes thingy'' to charge right to enemy ranks.\\
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'''Reason''': This actually is result of ExecutiveMeddling.ExecutiveMeddling of the Movie. Shooting the poor elephants at the eyes considered is animal cruelty and would invite protest from animal protection groups so they changed ''Shooting war elephants at the eyes thingy'' to charge right to enemy ranks. \\
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1. There would be any ambush / barricade / raid / something at marching force, or at least put battle where they will be advantageous taking HomeFieldAdvantage into effect ''or'' They put serious effort in patrolling and border security.
'''Instead''': They Do Nothing. So Aragon and Co. [[MemeticMutation can walk into Mordor]]'s unopposed.
2. Attack Aragorn's force after Aragorn kills Sauron's Lieutenant because Aragon and co. means business and they can flank as they hold numerical superiority.
'''Instead''': They Do Nothing. Again. And wait for the giant fire-eyeball-give signal to attack.
'''Result''': Much of the surrounding orcs are killed as Mordor collapse and the rest are killed.
'''Instead''': They Do Nothing. So Aragon and Co. [[MemeticMutation can walk into Mordor]]'s unopposed.
2. Attack Aragorn's force after Aragorn kills Sauron's Lieutenant because Aragon and co. means business and they can flank as they hold numerical superiority.
'''Instead''': They Do Nothing. Again. And wait for the giant fire-eyeball-give signal to attack.
'''Result''': Much of the surrounding orcs are killed as Mordor collapse and the rest are killed.
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1. There would be any ambush / barricade / raid / something at marching force, or at least put battle where they will be advantageous taking HomeFieldAdvantage into effect ''or'' They put serious effort in patrolling and border security.
security. \\
'''Instead''': They Do Nothing. So Aragon and Co. [[MemeticMutation can walk into Mordor]]'sunopposed.
unopposed. \\
2. Attack Aragorn's force after Aragorn kills Sauron's Lieutenant because Aragon and co. means business and they can flank as they hold numericalsuperiority.
superiority.\\
'''Instead''': They Do Nothing. Again. And wait for the giant fire-eyeball-give signal to attack. \n \\
'''Result''': Much of the surrounding orcs are killed as Mordor collapse and the rest are killed. \\
'''Instead''': They Do Nothing. So Aragon and Co. [[MemeticMutation can walk into Mordor]]'s
2. Attack Aragorn's force after Aragorn kills Sauron's Lieutenant because Aragon and co. means business and they can flank as they hold numerical
'''Instead''': They Do Nothing. Again. And wait for the giant fire-eyeball-give signal to attack.
'''Result''': Much of the surrounding orcs are killed as Mordor collapse and the rest are killed. \\
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1. To fight at the high, steep cliff in front of Mordor.
2. Using some cavalry in their force as Rohan is allied with them and there many riderless horses.
'''Instead''': They are surrounded and would be crushed if afore mentioned [[DeusExMachina Mordor collapse]] didn't happen. Yes ''Webcomic/DMOFTheRing'' lampshades this and it's used for image of HollywoodTactics.
2. Using some cavalry in their force as Rohan is allied with them and there many riderless horses.
'''Instead''': They are surrounded and would be crushed if afore mentioned [[DeusExMachina Mordor collapse]] didn't happen. Yes ''Webcomic/DMOFTheRing'' lampshades this and it's used for image of HollywoodTactics.
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1. To fight at the high, steep cliff in front of Mordor.
Mordor.\\
2. Using some cavalry in their force as Rohan is allied with them and there many riderlesshorses.
horses.\\
'''Instead''': They are surrounded and would be crushed if afore mentioned [[DeusExMachina Mordor collapse]] didn't happen. Yes ''Webcomic/DMOFTheRing'' lampshades this and it's used for image of HollywoodTactics.\\
2. Using some cavalry in their force as Rohan is allied with them and there many riderless
'''Instead''': They are surrounded and would be crushed if afore mentioned [[DeusExMachina Mordor collapse]] didn't happen. Yes ''Webcomic/DMOFTheRing'' lampshades this and it's used for image of HollywoodTactics.\\
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'''Reason''': This actually is result of ExecutiveMeddling. Shooting the poor elephants at the eyes considered is animal cruelty and would invite protest from animal protection groups so they changed ''Shooting war elephants at the eyes thingy'' to charge right to enemy ranks.
* Aragorn and healthy survivors from Battle of Minas Tirith marched to front of Mordor.
'''You'd Think''':
(Only in Movie) For Sauron's side:
* Aragorn and healthy survivors from Battle of Minas Tirith marched to front of Mordor.
'''You'd Think''':
(Only in Movie) For Sauron's side:
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'''Reason''': This actually is result of ExecutiveMeddling. Shooting the poor elephants at the eyes considered is animal cruelty and would invite protest from animal protection groups so they changed ''Shooting war elephants at the eyes thingy'' to charge right to enemy ranks.
ranks.\\
* Aragorn and healthy survivors from Battle of Minas Tirith marched to front ofMordor.
Mordor.\\
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* Aragorn and healthy survivors from Battle of Minas Tirith marched to front of
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'''Instead''': They are surrounded and would be crushed if afore mentioned [[DeusExMachina Mordor collapse]] didn't happen. Yes '''Webcomic/DMOFTheRing''' lampshades this and it's used for image of HollywoodTactic.
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'''Instead''': They are surrounded and would be crushed if afore mentioned [[DeusExMachina Mordor collapse]] didn't happen. Yes '''Webcomic/DMOFTheRing''' ''Webcomic/DMOFTheRing'' lampshades this and it's used for image of HollywoodTactic.HollywoodTactics.
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'''Reason''': This actually is result of ExecutiveMeddling. Shooting the poor elephants at the eyes considered is animal cruelty and would invite protest from animal protection groups so they changed ''Shooting war elephants at the eyes thingy'' to charge right to enemy ranks.
* Aragorn and healthy survivors from Battle of Minas Tirith marched to front of Mordor.
'''You'd Think''':
(Only in Movie) For Sauron's side:
1. There would be any ambush / barricade / raid / something at marching force, or at least put battle where they will be advantageous taking HomeFieldAdvantage into effect ''or'' They put serious effort in patrolling and border security.
'''Instead''': They Do Nothing. So Aragon and Co. [[MemeticMutation can walk into Mordor]]'s unopposed.
2. Attack Aragorn's force after Aragorn kills Sauron's Lieutenant because Aragon and co. means business and they can flank as they hold numerical superiority.
'''Instead''': They Do Nothing. Again. And wait for the giant fire-eyeball-give signal to attack.
'''Result''': Much of the surrounding orcs are killed as Mordor collapse and the rest are killed.
(Only in Movie) For Heroes' side:
1. To fight at the high, steep cliff in front of Mordor.
2. Using some cavalry in their force as Rohan is allied with them and there many riderless horses.
'''Instead''': They are surrounded and would be crushed if afore mentioned [[DeusExMachina Mordor collapse]] didn't happen. Yes '''Webcomic/DMOFTheRing''' lampshades this and it's used for image of HollywoodTactic.
* Aragorn and healthy survivors from Battle of Minas Tirith marched to front of Mordor.
'''You'd Think''':
(Only in Movie) For Sauron's side:
1. There would be any ambush / barricade / raid / something at marching force, or at least put battle where they will be advantageous taking HomeFieldAdvantage into effect ''or'' They put serious effort in patrolling and border security.
'''Instead''': They Do Nothing. So Aragon and Co. [[MemeticMutation can walk into Mordor]]'s unopposed.
2. Attack Aragorn's force after Aragorn kills Sauron's Lieutenant because Aragon and co. means business and they can flank as they hold numerical superiority.
'''Instead''': They Do Nothing. Again. And wait for the giant fire-eyeball-give signal to attack.
'''Result''': Much of the surrounding orcs are killed as Mordor collapse and the rest are killed.
(Only in Movie) For Heroes' side:
1. To fight at the high, steep cliff in front of Mordor.
2. Using some cavalry in their force as Rohan is allied with them and there many riderless horses.
'''Instead''': They are surrounded and would be crushed if afore mentioned [[DeusExMachina Mordor collapse]] didn't happen. Yes '''Webcomic/DMOFTheRing''' lampshades this and it's used for image of HollywoodTactic.
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irrelevant.
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'''The Result:''' The Nazgul attack the Hobbits, and Frodo (the only one not responsible since he was asleep) gets impaled by the Witch King's blade, and is nearly killed as a result of it.
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'''The Result:''' The Nazgul attack the Hobbits, and Frodo (the only one not responsible since he was asleep) gets impaled by the Witch King's blade, and is nearly killed as a result of it.
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'''The Result:''' The Nazgul attack the Hobbits, and Frodo gets impaled by the Witch King's blade, and is nearly killed as a result of it.
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'''The Result:''' The Nazgul attack the Hobbits, and Frodo (the only one not responsible since he was asleep) gets impaled by the Witch King's blade, and is nearly killed as a result of it.
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'''Instead''': Gandalf only gives a vague answer that he would only go there if he had no choice, and eventually has to let Frodo decide to go there when Saruman blocks the other paths. Furthermore, even in this instance, Gandalf refuses to warn them until said demon is basically on top of them.\\
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'''Instead''': Gandalf only gives a vague answer that he would only go there if he had no choice, and eventually has to let Frodo decide to go there when Saruman blocks the other paths. Furthermore, even in this instance, Gandalf refuses to warn them until said demon is basically on top of them.\\
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The dwarves killed the Balrog died centuries before. Gandalf doesn't know that the dwarves who later recolonized Moria are dead.
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'''For Added Stupidity''': Gimli keeps boasting of the hospitality of the Dwarves, when Gandalf knows for a fact they're all dead. So not only is Gandalf withholding information about a dangerous threat, he refuses to break the news to Gimli about his dead kin until Gimli sees their corpses.
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'''Instead''': Gandalf says nothing, and he eventually has to let Frodo decide to go there when Saruman blocks the other paths.
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'''Instead''': Gandalf says nothing, only gives a vague answer that he would only go there if he had no choice, and he eventually has to let Frodo decide to go there when Saruman blocks the other paths.paths. Furthermore, even in this instance, Gandalf refuses to warn them until said demon is basically on top of them.\\
'''For Added Stupidity''': Gimli keeps boasting of the hospitality of the Dwarves, when Gandalf knows for a fact they're all dead. So not only is Gandalf withholding information about a dangerous threat, he refuses to break the news to Gimli about his dead kin until Gimli sees their corpses.
'''For Added Stupidity''': Gimli keeps boasting of the hospitality of the Dwarves, when Gandalf knows for a fact they're all dead. So not only is Gandalf withholding information about a dangerous threat, he refuses to break the news to Gimli about his dead kin until Gimli sees their corpses.
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-->'''[[WebVideo/CinemaSins Jeremy Scott]]''': What the f*ck is Sauron reaching for? Just kill the guy! You have this huge mace... FOR KILLING.
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--->'''[[WebVideo/CinemaSins Jeremy Scott]]''': LetMeGetThisStraight, so after Gandalf knocked Denethor unconscious, ''no one'' decided to get Faramir ''any'' medicine? They didn't just leave him outside in the white tree court, did they?
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You may put examples from both the books and Creator/PeterJackson's film adaptations. The films will be found to be an especially rich vein, on the many occasions where Jackson thought he could tell a better story than Tolkien.
adaptations.
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You may put examples from both the books and Creator/PeterJackson's film adaptations.
adaptations. The films will be found to be an especially rich vein, on the many occasions where Jackson thought he could tell a better story than Tolkien.
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'''You'd Think''': Théoden would order his men to keep their distance from the Mumakil and shoot arrows at them or throw spears at the riders.\\
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'''You'd Think''': Théoden would order his men to keep their distance from the Mumakil and shoot arrows at them or throw spears (like what Eomer does during the bellow "Instead") at the riders.\\
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--->'''[[WebVideo/CinemaSins Jeremy Scott]]''': What the f*ck is Sauron reaching for? Just kill the guy! You have this huge mace... FOR KILING!KILLING.
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* King Theoden and his forces have driven away the orcs from the White City, then an army of Haradrim shows up on their steeds, the Mumakil (basically giant war elephants).\\
'''You'd Think''': Théoden would order his men to keep their distance from the Mumakil and shoot arrows at them or throw spears at the riders.\\
'''Instead''': He orders his men to charge the Mumakil and we're then treated to a montage of them getting trampled, tossed aside by their tusks or shot by the Haradrim. Ironically, it's not this act of stupidity that gets Théoden killed. It's the Witch-King that does him in.
'''You'd Think''': Théoden would order his men to keep their distance from the Mumakil and shoot arrows at them or throw spears at the riders.\\
'''Instead''': He orders his men to charge the Mumakil and we're then treated to a montage of them getting trampled, tossed aside by their tusks or shot by the Haradrim. Ironically, it's not this act of stupidity that gets Théoden killed. It's the Witch-King that does him in.
