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Sonic never overlooked Nine’s flaws and Nine was mad because Sonic made it sound like the plan was to go to The Grim with the shards.
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'''Instead:''' Sonic outright dismisses the warnings and puts his full faith in Nine, adamantly insisting that they're all on the same side.\\

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'''Instead:''' Sonic outright dismisses the warnings kept trying to encourage Nine to be good and puts his full faith in Nine, adamantly insisting insisted that they're all on the same side.side even though Nine told him repeatedly that he wants to stay in The Grim .\\



'''Result:''' [[spoiler:Nine, who was ''never'' interested in restoring the world to normal and resents being treated as a ReplacementGoldfish for Prime!Tails, ultimately [[FaceHeelTurn turns his back on Sonic and Shadow]] and steals all the Prism shards, [[YankTheDogsChain leaving the hedgehogs back at square one]] [[FromBadToWorse with even worse yet to come]].]]

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'''Result:''' [[spoiler:Nine, who was ''never'' interested in restoring the world to normal and resents being treated as a ReplacementGoldfish for Prime!Tails, Sonic’s lies, withholding information and refusing to keep or remember his only promise, ultimately [[FaceHeelTurn turns his back on Sonic and Shadow]] and steals all the Prism shards, [[YankTheDogsChain leaving the hedgehogs back at square one]] [[FromBadToWorse with even worse yet to come]].]]

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''Anime/SonicX'' [[WhatAnIdiot/SonicX has its own page]]. ''ComicBook/SonicTheHedgehogIDW'' [[WhatAnIdiot/SonicTheHedgehogIDW has its own page]].


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'''Even Worse''': [[spoiler:During the aforementioned fight, the Avatar drops the Phantom Ruby prototype in full view of Infinite and Infinite '''''completely fails to notice it'''''. Even when the Avatar survives his illusion, it never dawns on him that they might be using a Phantom Ruby prototype. [[note]]At least in the English version. The original Japanese version has Infinite briefly considering the possibility that they might have one of the prototypes, but he still decides to spare them as the prototypes are said by Eggman to be so defective and unstable that they could only be used once.[[/note]]]]

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'''Even Worse''': [[spoiler:During the aforementioned fight, the Avatar drops the Phantom Ruby prototype in full view of Infinite and Infinite '''''completely fails to notice it'''''.it'a. Even when the Avatar survives his illusion, it never dawns on him that they might be using a Phantom Ruby prototype. [[note]]At least in the English version. The original Japanese version has Infinite briefly considering the possibility that they might have one of the prototypes, but he still decides to spare them as the prototypes are said by Eggman to be so defective and unstable that they could only be used once.[[/note]]]]



'''Result''': Sonic and the others follow her to Robotropolis, knowing that Robotnik would backstab her, and rescue her right before this attempt to roboticize her, botching the plan.\\

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'''Result''': Sonic and the others follow her to Robotropolis, knowing Knowing that Robotnik would backstab her, Sonic and the others break into Robotropolis and rescue her right before this attempt to roboticize her, Sally from the roboticizer, botching the plan.\\



'''Instead:''' [[NeverMyFault She blames them for the plan's failure and storms off.]]

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'''Instead:''' [[NeverMyFault She blames them for the plan's failure and storms off.]]]]\\
'''Even worse:''' Even if the plan had worked and Sally had gotten the roboticizer jammed, [[DidntThinkThisThrough she would still be in the heart of Robotropolis with no escape plan.]] What's stopping Robotnik from having his robots apprehend her after his roboticization attempt failed?
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* ""Drood Henge":

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* ""Drood "Drood Henge":
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* Throughout the series, Shadow, Rebel Rouge, and Renegade Knucks repeatedly raise red flags about Tails Nine's trustworthiness.\\

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* Throughout the series, Shadow, show, Rebel Rouge, and Renegade Knucks Knucks, and Shadow repeatedly raise red flags about Tails Tails' Nine's trustworthiness.trustworthiness and urge Sonic to be wary of him.\\



'''Instead:''' Sonic flat-out dismisses the warnings, adamantly insisting that they're all on the same side.\\

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'''Instead:''' Sonic flat-out outright dismisses the warnings, warnings and puts his full faith in Nine, adamantly insisting that they're all on the same side.\\



'''Result:''' [[spoiler:Nine, who was never interested in restoring the world to normal and resents being treated as a ReplacementGoldfish for Prime!Tails, ultimately [[FaceHeelTurn turns his back on Sonic and Shadow]] and steals all the Prism shards, [[YankTheDogsChain leaving the hedgehogs back at square one]].]]

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'''Result:''' [[spoiler:Nine, who was never ''never'' interested in restoring the world to normal and resents being treated as a ReplacementGoldfish for Prime!Tails, ultimately [[FaceHeelTurn turns his back on Sonic and Shadow]] and steals all the Prism shards, [[YankTheDogsChain leaving the hedgehogs back at square one]].one]] [[FromBadToWorse with even worse yet to come]].]]
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'''You'd then expect:''' Sally to realise [[PoorCommunicationKills she screwed up]] by [[LockedOutOfTheLoop leaving her teammates in the dark and lying to them]] ''[[IdiotPlot for no good reason]]'' and apologize.\\

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'''You'd then expect:''' Sally to realise realize [[PoorCommunicationKills she screwed up]] by [[LockedOutOfTheLoop leaving her teammates in the dark and lying to them]] ''[[IdiotPlot for ''for no good reason]]'' reason'' and apologize.\\

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* Throughout the series, Shadow, Rebel Rouge, and Renegade Knucks repeatedly raise red flags about Tails Nine's trustworthiness.\\
'''You'd Expect:''' Sonic to at least ''consider'' the risks, especially after two other Shatterverse counterparts of his friends [[spoiler:(Thorn Rose and Captain Dread)]] double-crossed him over the Paradox Prism shards; Nine himself previously left Rebel and Knucks for dead and has shown scant interest in heroics.\\
'''Instead:''' Sonic flat-out dismisses the warnings, adamantly insisting that they're all on the same side.\\
'''Even Worse:''' [[HorribleJudgeOfCharacter Sonic assumes Nine will be on board with his and Shadow's plan to fix the world]] [[DoppelgangerGetsSameSentiment simply because Prime!Tails would,]] [[LovingAShadow when in fact his friends and their alternate selves are different people altogether.]]\\
'''Result:''' [[spoiler:Nine, who was never interested in restoring the world to normal and resents being treated as a ReplacementGoldfish for Prime!Tails, ultimately [[FaceHeelTurn turns his back on Sonic and Shadow]] and steals all the Prism shards, [[YankTheDogsChain leaving the hedgehogs back at square one]].]]
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'''Instead:''' He keeps making the same mistakes, time and time again, in both the Classic and Modern eras.\\
'''For Extra Emphasis:''' The [[ComicBook/SonicTheHedgehogIDW IDW Comics]] actually go out of their way to explain that Eggman ''is'' a genius, but there's always that sliver of arrogance and the dare of challenge that inherently flaws his plans, followed by Sonic's possibility of foiling him causing the doctor to be so BlindedByRage that he ends up undoing himself in the end every time. It isn't just a convenient StatusQuoIsGod for the sake of Eggman being beatable: ''it's an in-character failing.''

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'''Instead:''' He keeps making the same mistakes, time and time again, in both the Classic and Modern eras. In the third ''Sonic Twitter Takeover'' promoting ''Sonic Forces'', Eggman gives the excuse that his robots might go rogue on him and builds them with weak spots, fights in environments that benefit Sonic, and lets them get destroyed as a sort of "backup plan". Yeah, sure Doc.\\
'''For Extra Emphasis:''' The [[ComicBook/SonicTheHedgehogIDW IDW Comics]] actually go out of their way to explain that Eggman ''is'' a genius, but there's always that sliver of arrogance and the dare of challenge that inherently flaws his plans, followed by Sonic's possibility of foiling him causing the doctor to be so BlindedByRage that he ends up undoing himself in the end every time. It isn't just a convenient StatusQuoIsGod for the sake of Eggman being beatable: ''it's an in-character failing.''
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* Sonic doesn’t listen to Tails about a trap and proceeds to attack a rigged mech, causing him to accidentally set off an explosion. Rouge later explains this was planned by Eggman to find a powerful gem called the Paradox Prism and they, along with Amy and Knuckles go to deal with the situation.\\
'''You'd Expect:''' As the mess started with Sonic not listening to Tails, one would think he would pay extra attention to what his friends were saying and follow a plan rather than blindly rush into things if he doesn't know the full context.\\
'''Instead:''' Sonic rushes off just as Amy says they need to stick together and arrives late to the scene when they're facing Eggman. He then doesn't heed anyone's warnings to stop as he launches himself at Eggman and Prism, shattering the crystal and the universe in the process.
* After Sonic sets off the explosion early in the day, Shadow has a vision of the future and decides to find Sonic to prevent whatever is going to happen.\\
'''You'd Expect:''' Shadow urgently needs Sonic to hear him out about the vision, so the logical choice would be to go to Sonic and immediately begin explaining the situation, and doing whatever necessary to ensure he understands the severity of the situation.\\
'''Instead:''' Shadow immediately attacks Sonic and repeatedly demands his attention but is more focused on beating up the other hedgehog rather than explaining anything to him, resulting in the two getting into a large fight and Sonic running off without ever hearing what Shadow wanted him to know.\\
'''The Result:''' Sonic runs off with no idea he's about to set off a cataclysmic chain of events and shatters the universe.
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''Anime/SonicX'' [[WhatAnIdiot/SonicX has its own page]].
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'''For Extra Emphasis:''' The [[ComicBook/SonicTheHedgehogIDW IDW Comics]] actually go out of their way to explain that Eggman ''is'' a genius, but there's always that sliver of arrogance and the dare of challenge that inherently flaws his plans, followed by Sonic's possibility of foiling him driving him into such extreme anger that he ends up undoing himself in the end every time. It isn't just a convenient StatusQuoIsGod for the sake of Eggman being beatable: ''it's an in-character failing.''

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'''For Extra Emphasis:''' The [[ComicBook/SonicTheHedgehogIDW IDW Comics]] actually go out of their way to explain that Eggman ''is'' a genius, but there's always that sliver of arrogance and the dare of challenge that inherently flaws his plans, followed by Sonic's possibility of foiling him driving him into such extreme anger causing the doctor to be so BlindedByRage that he ends up undoing himself in the end every time. It isn't just a convenient StatusQuoIsGod for the sake of Eggman being beatable: ''it's an in-character failing.''

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'''Instead:''' He keeps making the same mistakes, time and time again, in both the Classic and Modern eras.

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'''Instead:''' He keeps making the same mistakes, time and time again, in both the Classic and Modern eras.\\
'''For Extra Emphasis:''' The [[ComicBook/SonicTheHedgehogIDW IDW Comics]] actually go out of their way to explain that Eggman ''is'' a genius, but there's always that sliver of arrogance and the dare of challenge that inherently flaws his plans, followed by Sonic's possibility of foiling him driving him into such extreme anger that he ends up undoing himself in the end every time. It isn't just a convenient StatusQuoIsGod for the sake of Eggman being beatable: ''it's an in-character failing.''
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'''Instead''': Eggman '''bearhugs''' the VillainBall with open arms and decides to keep Sonic prisoner on the rebuilt Death Egg, torturing him for six months just so Sonic could see him win completely.\\

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'''Instead''': Eggman '''bearhugs''' the VillainBall with open arms and decides to keep Sonic prisoner on the rebuilt Death Egg, torturing him for six months just so Sonic could see him win completely. Even worse, in the Japanese script "torture" isn't used, but rather something more along the lines of "giving Sonic grief", likely flaunting his victories across the world in Sonic's face to try to break his spirit. Which means he didn't even consider actually killing Sonic until his plans reached fruition.\\
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* There wee a number of powerful masters of mystic arts in the comic, from the villainous Mammoth Mogul to the more noble Merlin Prower (Tails' uncle) to the neutral Brotherhood Of Guardians (Knuckles' dad and other relatives). They are all aware that Dr. Robotnik/Eggman is a major threat, who doesn't mind causing ''genocide'' in order to rule the planet.\\

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* There wee were a number of powerful masters of mystic arts in the comic, from the villainous Mammoth Mogul to the more noble Merlin Prower (Tails' uncle) to the neutral Brotherhood Of Guardians (Knuckles' dad and other relatives). They are all aware that Dr. Robotnik/Eggman is a major threat, who doesn't mind causing ''genocide'' in order to rule the planet.\\
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'''Instead:''' Naturally, BullyingADragon occurs. The result? Humanity almost got nuked, the Black Arms were wiped out entirely, the GUN Commander was humiliated, and Mephiles was literally erased from existence after getting curb-stomped.

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'''Instead:''' Naturally, BullyingADragon occurs. The result? Humanity almost got nuked, the Black Arms were wiped out entirely, the GUN Commander was humiliated, and Mephiles the Dark was literally erased from existence after getting curb-stomped.



'''Instead''': Sonic runs up to Eggman and kicks the Conch away. The Deadly Six rebel against Eggman, forcing him into [[EnemyMine working with Sonic]].

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'''Instead''': Sonic runs up to Eggman and kicks the Conch away. The Deadly Six promptly rebel against Eggman, forcing him into [[EnemyMine working with Sonic]].Sonic]], and he spends his sweet time calling Sonic out.



'''Even Worse''': [[spoiler:During the aforementioned fight, the Avatar drops the Phantom Ruby prototype in full view of Infinite and Infinite '''''completely fails to notice it'''''. Even when the Avatar survives his illusion, it never dawns on him that they might be using a Phantom Ruby prototype. [[note]]At least in the English version. The original Japanese version has Infinite briefly consider the possibility that they might have one of the prototypes, but he still decides to spare them as the prototypes are said by Eggman to be so defective and unstable that they could only be used once.[[/note]]]]

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'''Even Worse''': [[spoiler:During the aforementioned fight, the Avatar drops the Phantom Ruby prototype in full view of Infinite and Infinite '''''completely fails to notice it'''''. Even when the Avatar survives his illusion, it never dawns on him that they might be using a Phantom Ruby prototype. [[note]]At least in the English version. The original Japanese version has Infinite briefly consider considering the possibility that they might have one of the prototypes, but he still decides to spare them as the prototypes are said by Eggman to be so defective and unstable that they could only be used once.[[/note]]]]
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* ''VideoGame/SonicTheHedgehog2Bit''

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* ''VideoGame/SonicTheHedgehog2''
** In the Master System/Game Gear version of the game, Dr. Eggman has kidnapped Tails (who incidentally, made his debut in this version), meaning the latter can't fly Sonic to safety. In Under Ground Zone Act 3, Sonic ends up taking a deadly wrong turn and is about to fall into boiling hot magma. This bears repeating: there's no one to save Sonic this time.\\

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** In the Master System/Game Gear version of the game, Dr. Eggman has kidnapped Tails (who incidentally, made his debut in this version), meaning the latter can't fly Sonic to safety. In Under Ground Zone Act 3, Sonic ends up taking a deadly wrong turn and is about to fall into boiling hot magma. This bears repeating: there's no one to save Sonic this time.\\
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* In Issue 1 of the original mini-series, Sally and Rotor concoct a plan to reverse-engineer Robotnik's roboticizer: have Sally meet with him strike a deal to have her father released. Knowing that Robotnik would backstab her and attempt to roboticize her, she would be equipped with special boots designed to jam the machine and collect its data, allowing Rotor to analyze it.\\

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* In Issue 1 of the original mini-series, Sally and Rotor concoct a plan to reverse-engineer Robotnik's roboticizer: have Sally meet with him to strike a deal to have her father released. Knowing that Robotnik would backstab her and attempt to roboticize her, she would be equipped with special boots designed to jam the machine and collect its data, allowing Rotor to analyze it.\\
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'''Result''': Sonic and the others follow her to Robotropolis, knowing that Robotnik would backstab her. Which indeed happens, so they rescue her right before Robotniks attempt to roboticize her, botching the plan.\\

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'''Result''': Sonic and the others follow her to Robotropolis, knowing that Robotnik would backstab her. Which indeed happens, so they her, and rescue her right before Robotniks this attempt to roboticize her, botching the plan.\\
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'''You'd then expect:''' Sally to realise she screwed up by leaving the rest of her team in the dark and lying to them ''for no good reason'' and apologize.\\

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'''You'd then expect:''' Sally to realise [[PoorCommunicationKills she screwed up up]] by [[LockedOutOfTheLoop leaving the rest of her team teammates in the dark and lying to them ''for them]] ''[[IdiotPlot for no good reason'' reason]]'' and apologize.\\
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* In Issue 1 of the original mini-series, Sally and Rotor concoct a plan to reverse-engineer Robotnik's roboticizer: have Sally meet with him strike a deal to have her father released. Knowing that Robotnik would backstab her and attempt to roboticize her, she would be equipped with special boots designed to jam the machine and collect its data, allowing Rotor to analyze it.\\
'''You'd expect:''' Them to confide said plan with the rest of the team.\\
'''Instead:''' Sally simply claims that she's going to strike a deal with Robotnik and leaves. Even though Sonic and the others met with her while she was on the way to Robotropolis and asked her reasons, giving her plenty of opportunities to let them in on the plan, at no point does she reveal her true intentions, instead rudely telling them to mind their own business.\\
'''Result''': Sonic and the others follow her to Robotropolis, knowing that Robotnik would backstab her. Which indeed happens, so they rescue her right before Robotniks attempt to roboticize her, botching the plan.\\
'''You'd then expect:''' Sally to realise she screwed up by leaving the rest of her team in the dark and lying to them ''for no good reason'' and apologize.\\
'''Instead:''' [[NeverMyFault She blames them for the plan's failure and storms off.]]
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* Shadow Saga
** After the above incident in the aforementioned ''VideoGame/SonicAdventure2'', Chris, Chuck, and Tanaka arrive on the scene in time to witness the fight between Sonic and Shadow during their first encounter. Shortly afterwards, the police come in to apprehend Sonic, still mistaking him for Shadow.\\
'''You'd Expect:''' At least one of them steps up and says something about the black hedgehog that Sonic was just fighting; after all, with new information, Sonic could be seen as merely a suspect instead of the primary one.\\
'''Instead:''' ''Nobody'' says anything, and Sonic gets arrested.
** Later, Chris and Tanaka go to Prison Island to save Sonic and learn more about Shadow. Tanaka goes to check out the place, and tells Chris to stay put.\\
'''You'd Expect:''' Chris to listen and stay put. He should know his friends enough (especially [[TheSmartGuy Tails]], [[DropTheHammer Amy]], and [[BattleButler Tanaka]]) to figure they'd get Sonic out of prison and escape, right?\\
'''Instead:''' He climbs Prison Island because he's going through a "Sonic is my best friend ever" phase and goes to look for him. Granted, he doesn't know there's a bomb, but still.\\
'''Shortly After:''' Chris eventually manages to find Shadow, and desperately wants to prove Sonic's innocence.\\
'''You'd Expect:''' Chris stay right where he is at the time, let Shadow use Chaos Control (which by the way, he bore witness to), and let everyone know what he saw. After all, now that he's seen Shadow twice now, he has a bit more visual evidence to back everything up.\\
'''Instead:''' Chris runs up and grabs Shadow as he performs Chaos Control, and gets teleported along with him and Rouge to the Space Colony ARK.\\
'''The Result:''' Chris is kidnapped, Tanaka is beyond distressed, and Sonic is still in hiding with no progress being made towards his innocence by the next episode.
* Egg Moon Saga
** After Eggman blows up half the moon during the show's retelling of ''Sonic Adventure 2'', he replaces the destroyed half of the moon with robotics and artificial terrain he developed, seemingly to make amends. Shortly after this, the new Egg Moon gets stuck right in front of the sun, causing a permanent solar eclipse. Eggman claims that the Egg Moon has shut down and become incapable of moving itself, and builds a series of artificial light sources for the planet.\\
'''You'd Expect:''' Anyone with a basic knowledge of astronomy to become suspicious. After all, objects don't necessarily need the ability to move under their own power to remain in orbit, and the Egg Moon wouldn't be able to remain in one position without some form of propulsion, lest it get pulled into the Earth by the planet's gravity, a fact that completely contradicts Eggman's claims. Hell, Sonic realizes all of the above and doesn't bother telling anyone because he assumes that they'd be able to figure it out themselves.\\
'''Instead:''' With the exception of [[OnlySaneMan Sonic]], everyone sees Eggman's actions as benign, and they treat Sonic as a villain when he starts going round and destroying the light sources. It ultimately turns out that all of Eggman's actions were steps in his latest scheme to take over the planet. Sonic's friends barely manage to redeem themselves by agreeing that Sonic must have a good reason for his actions, and the rest of Station Square gets a small pass when it turns out that Eggman hypnotized them with the previously mentioned light sources.
* Emerl Saga
** Following the events of the Egg Moon Saga, Eggman and his henchbots are in prison for all the terrorist level crimes they committed. Then in episode 43, due to Sonics popularity a lot of new household machinery is breaking down thanks to factory workers leaving their jobs to follow Sonics lifestyle, prompting heavy demand for repairs.\\
'''You`d Expect:''' That although he has an IQ of 300, nobody would let Eggman work on repairing the broken machinery. By this point in the series, he`s made it clear to the world that he can craft deadly weapons and machinery that could give the military a real challenge to take down.
** '''Instead:''' For some reason, the prison allows Dr. Eggman to work on fixing the broken household objects unsupervised, allowing him to secretly build an army of sentient killer machines. Station Square is left in chaos and everyone ends up in harms way as a consequence.\\
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'''Instead:''' Tails forgets he can fly and is sent down the trap door, leading to Robotnik capturing him.

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'''Instead:''' Tails [[ForgotICouldFly forgets he can fly fly]] and is sent down the trap door, leading to Robotnik capturing him.
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'''Instead:''' Sonic raises no fuss when the couple doesn't refer to Tails as Miles. It takes a flashback of Sonic giving Tails his nickname on the day they met to realize that Tails has been kidnapped.

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'''Instead:''' Sonic raises no fuss when the couple [[ImpostorForgotOneDetail doesn't refer to Tails as Miles.Miles]]. It takes a flashback of Sonic giving Tails his nickname on the day they met to realize that Tails has been kidnapped.
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--> '''Sonic:''' ''You know, pals? There's three ways not to be stupid. One, stay in school. Two, [[DepartmentOfRedundancyDepartment stay in school.]] Three, [[SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped don't forget one and two!]]''

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--> '''Sonic:''' ''You know, pals? There's three ways not to be stupid. One, stay in school. Two, [[DepartmentOfRedundancyDepartment stay in school.]] Three, [[SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped don't forget one and two!]]''
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