History WellIntentionedExtremist / AnimeAndManga

12th May '18 11:20:20 PM gjjones
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* ''Manga/ElfenLied'': Nozomi's father only attempted to prevent her from realizing her dream of becoming a singer because she suffered a throat defect that may cause her to lose her voice, the very same kind that her mother suffered from and which eventually drove her mother to suicide. Unfortunately, his methods of preventing her involved [[AbusiveParents physical abuse]], which left Nozomi with self-esteem issues and a [[BringMyBrownPants bladder control problem]], at least until she asserted herself about her dreams. It also doesn't help that there were also other alternatives instead of abusing her.

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* ''Manga/ElfenLied'': Nozomi's father only attempted to prevent her from realizing her dream of becoming a singer because she suffered a throat defect that may cause her to lose her voice, the very same kind that her mother suffered from and which eventually drove her mother to suicide. Unfortunately, his methods of preventing her involved [[AbusiveParents physical abuse]], which left Nozomi with self-esteem issues and a [[BringMyBrownPants bladder control problem]], at least until she asserted herself about her dreams. It also doesn't help that there were also other alternatives instead of abusing her. He ultimately [[TheExtremistWasRight turns out to be right]] as [[spoiler:Nozomi indeed loses her voice towards the end of the series]].
7th May '18 2:59:35 PM kataangluvr
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* ''Manga/DeathNote'': Light, who has seen the dreadful state of society, wanted to use the power of the notebook to kill the most dangerous criminals on Earth and make the world a safer place. During a few of his {{Villainous Breakdown}}s, he insists that he's protecting the innocent and punishing the wicked. He mentioned in his final MotiveRant that crime has dropped significantly in one last attempt to justify his intentions for the notebook's power.
25th Mar '18 8:35:53 PM WillBGood
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** Played more straight with Fran herself; since she follows [[ThouShallNotKill the doctor's code]] with absolute adherence, and thinks that there is no fate worse than death, [[BodyHorror there are no limits to what she can put her patients through]] [[FateWorseThanDeath in order to keep them alive.]] Due to her own convictions, Fran naturally [[ObliviouslyEvil does not see the extremism in her own actions]] but instead tends to get upset when people object to her methods.

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** Played more straight with Fran herself; since she follows [[ThouShallNotKill the doctor's code]] with absolute adherence, and thinks that there is no fate worse than death, [[BodyHorror there are no limits to what she can will put her patients through]] [[FateWorseThanDeath in order to keep them alive.]] Due to her own convictions, Fran naturally [[ObliviouslyEvil does not see the extremism in her own actions]] but instead tends to get upset when people object to her methods.
27th Feb '18 8:32:32 AM gjjones
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* ''Manga/ElfenLied'': Nozomi's father only attempted to prevent her from realizing her dream of becoming a singer because she suffered a throat defect that may cause her to lose her voice, the very same kind that her mother suffered from and which eventually drove her mother to suicide. Unfortunately, his methods of preventing her involved [[AbusiveParents physical abuse]], which left Nozomi with self-esteem issues and a [[BringMyBrownPants bladder control problem]]. It also doesn't help that there were also other alternatives instead of abusing her.

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* ''Manga/ElfenLied'': Nozomi's father only attempted to prevent her from realizing her dream of becoming a singer because she suffered a throat defect that may cause her to lose her voice, the very same kind that her mother suffered from and which eventually drove her mother to suicide. Unfortunately, his methods of preventing her involved [[AbusiveParents physical abuse]], which left Nozomi with self-esteem issues and a [[BringMyBrownPants bladder control problem]].problem]], at least until she asserted herself about her dreams. It also doesn't help that there were also other alternatives instead of abusing her.
16th Jan '18 11:50:18 AM Zuxtron
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*** Pain also cannot grasp that the people of the continent (For all that World Peace is bandied around by many, the action never takes place outside the seemingly isolated Elemental Countries) might instead TakeAThirdOption, which would be to destroy the weapon he wanted to create so that no one could use it. This is never actually discussed in the series.



* ''LightNovel/ACertainMagicalIndex'': Aureolus Izzard, who isolated himself three years ago after [[spoiler:failing to save Index from having to have her memories erased]] and has been desperately trying to find a cure ever since.

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Aureolus Izzard, who isolated himself three years ago after [[spoiler:failing to save Index from having to have her memories erased]] and has been desperately trying to find a cure ever since.



*** However, the "Well Intentioned" part of the trope is very suspect when it comes to ''anyone'' involved in the [[spoiler:Level 6 development projects.]] Other than reaping its benefits (and likely being used again later by its supervisors), Accelerator doesn't have any good intentions in his involvement with the Sisters experiment, or with anything, for that matter, at least, until Last Order shows up.
*** Actually, in the case of Accelerator, this is somewhat played straight. In the spin-off ''Manga/ACertainScientificRailgun'', Accelerator attempts to leave the first Sister he fights injured and obviously beaten, but alive, until hes told that he is locked in the room until he finishes her off. To be fair, this is never seen in the original series.



* Elite Four Lance in ''Manga/PokemonSpecial''. He views humans as completely incompatible with Pokémon, so he plans to commit genocide against the human race so that Pokémon can live in peace and the world can return to its natural glory.

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Elite Four Lance in ''Manga/PokemonSpecial''. He views humans as completely incompatible with Pokémon, so he plans to commit genocide against the human race so that Pokémon can live in peace and the world can return to its natural glory.



* The entire cast of ''Manga/FutureDiary'' to varying degrees. Yes, even [[TheWoobie him]]. No Exceptions.

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* The In ''Manga/FutureDiary'', various people are chosen to participate in a battle royale, with the winner becoming God of Time and Space. They all need to do some pretty messed up stuff to succeed in this goal: even the protagonist, who starts out as TheWoobie, ends up doing things such as [[spoiler:slaughtering an entire cast orphanage and killing his best friends]], which he justifies by promising to use his God powers to bring everyone he killed back to life once he wins the game. [[spoiler:Unfortunately, bringing people back from the dead is one of ''Manga/FutureDiary'' the few things that a god can't do.]] Even then, the alternative would be to varying degrees. Yes, even [[TheWoobie him]]. No Exceptions.let the current god die of old age, which would result in all causality falling apart.



* From ''Manga/JoJosBizarreAdventure: Stone Ocean'': [[spoiler:the truly faithful Father Pucci, whose ultimate goal is to reach the "Heaven" he heard his mentor Dio talk about. He'll do anything and sacrifice anyone to get to it, and apparently, he does: he rewinds, remakes, and resurrects the world (that he completely messed up), but is killed before he can join it.]]
** [[spoiler: Funny Valentine from Steel Ball Run also qualifies; His motivation for gathering the Corpse Parts was so he could use them in conjunction with his Stand [=D4C=] to deflect any misfortunes that might have befallen America elsewhere, thus ensuring an everlasting golden age for his nation.]]
* Kuze from ''Anime/GhostInTheShellStandAloneComplex'' is a complete AntiVillain and all around likable. You kind of have to cheer him on once his motives become clear and you learn more about what he has accomplished so far. But arming terrorists with guns, trying to kill the rather well-meaning prime minister with a katana, using [[spoiler:kokaine]] as a weapon to damage the leadership of the countries he opposes, and [[spoiler:building [[NukeEm nuclear bombs]] to threaten his enemies]] puts him quite far in the deep end of extremist territory.

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* From ''Manga/JoJosBizarreAdventure: Stone Ocean'': [[spoiler:the ''Manga/JoJosBizarreAdventure'':
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truly faithful Father Pucci, Pucci of part 6, whose ultimate goal is to [[spoiler:to reach the "Heaven" he heard his mentor Dio talk about. He'll do anything and sacrifice anyone to get to it, and apparently, he does: he rewinds, remakes, and resurrects the world (that he completely messed up), but is killed before he can join it.]]
** [[spoiler: Funny Valentine from Steel Ball Run also qualifies; qualifies. [[spoiler: His motivation for gathering the Corpse Parts was so he could use them in conjunction with his Stand [=D4C=] to deflect any misfortunes that might have befallen America elsewhere, thus ensuring an everlasting golden age for his nation.]]
* ''Anime/GhostInTheShellStandAloneComplex'':
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Kuze from ''Anime/GhostInTheShellStandAloneComplex'' is a complete AntiVillain and all around likable. You kind of have to cheer him on once his motives become clear and you learn more about what he has accomplished so far. But arming terrorists with guns, trying to kill the rather well-meaning prime minister with a katana, using [[spoiler:kokaine]] as a weapon to damage the leadership of the countries he opposes, and [[spoiler:building [[NukeEm nuclear bombs]] to threaten his enemies]] puts him quite far in the deep end of extremist territory.



** Yes, well, [[WebVideo/VisionOfEscaflowneAbridged you can't make an omelet without killing a few puppies]].
* Sensui from ''Manga/YuYuHakusho'' who wishes to eliminate humanity because his [[BlackAndWhiteMorality strict views of good and evil]] [[GoMadFromTheRevelation can't prepare him for]] [[HumansAreTheRealMonsters witnessing some humans' sadistic actions]] -- ironic, given he is human himself AND, at the time, a spirit detective, whose job description is ''to protect humankind''.
** Sensui was this ''even when he was a Spirit Detective''. He considered ''all'' demons pure evil before his FaceHeelTurn.

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** Yes, well, [[WebVideo/VisionOfEscaflowneAbridged you can't make an omelet without killing a few puppies]].
* Sensui from ''Manga/YuYuHakusho'' who wishes to eliminate humanity because his [[BlackAndWhiteMorality strict views of good and evil]] [[GoMadFromTheRevelation can't prepare him for]] [[HumansAreTheRealMonsters witnessing some humans' sadistic actions]] -- ironic, given he is human himself AND, at the time, a spirit detective, whose job description is ''to protect humankind''.
** Sensui
humankind''. He was this ''even when he was a Spirit Detective''. He considered ''all'' demons pure evil before his FaceHeelTurn.



* Many of the "[[AntiVillain villains]]" in ''Manga/MahouSenseiNegima'', but especially [[BigBad Fate]], who claims to be trying to save the inhabitants of the Magic World [[spoiler:by erasing it from existence.]] [[ManipulativeBastard Kurt Godel]] would probably count too, if we can ever [[WildCard confirm his ultimate goal]], though he also claims to be trying to save the world [[spoiler:by keeping Fate from destroying it.]]
** [[spoiler: Turns out, they both have very similar plans. The magical world's running out of energy, and when it goes, most of its 1.2 billion inhabitants will vanish, with 67 million being dumped onto an empty, airless Mars. Kurt wants to evacuate those 67 million before it's too late to save those that ''can'' be saved, whereas Fate realizes that it isn't fair to those that can't be evacuated, and Earth can't deal with 67 million refugees - so he'll just kidnap everyone and send them to a pocket dimension that is suspiciously afterlife-like.]]
** Fate and his band also make a point of not harming anyone from Earth, except when Fate notices that [[spoiler:Mahora will be collateral damage]]. But by that time, he has switched to full-on BloodKnight and no longer cares about anything else.

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* Many of the "[[AntiVillain villains]]" in ''Manga/MahouSenseiNegima'', but especially [[BigBad Fate]], who claims to be trying to save the inhabitants of the Magic World [[spoiler:by erasing it from existence.]] Fate and his band also make a point of not harming anyone from Earth, except when Fate notices that [[spoiler:Mahora will be collateral damage]]. But by that time, he has switched to full-on BloodKnight and no longer cares about anything else. [[ManipulativeBastard Kurt Godel]] would probably count too, if we can ever [[WildCard confirm his ultimate goal]], though he also claims to be trying to save the world [[spoiler:by keeping Fate from destroying it.]]
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]] And it turns out that [[spoiler: Turns out, they Fate and Kurt both have very similar plans. The magical world's running out of energy, and when it goes, most of its 1.2 billion inhabitants will vanish, with 67 million being dumped onto an empty, airless Mars. Kurt wants to evacuate those 67 million before it's too late to save those that ''can'' be saved, whereas Fate realizes that it isn't fair to those that can't be evacuated, and Earth can't deal with 67 million refugees - so he'll just kidnap everyone and send them to a pocket dimension that is suspiciously afterlife-like.]]
** Fate and his band also make a point of not harming anyone from Earth, except when Fate notices that [[spoiler:Mahora will be collateral damage]]. But by that time, he has switched to full-on BloodKnight and no longer cares about anything else.
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* Inverted with the Black Lotus Syndicate in ''Manga/FrankenFran''. They do things like establish orphanages and give aid to the poor...in order to cause overpopulation and drive mankind to self-destruction. This ends up driving Sentinel II into becoming a straight example, burning orphanages and the like for the greater good.

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* * ''Manga/FrankenFran''.
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Inverted with the Black Lotus Syndicate in ''Manga/FrankenFran''.Syndicate. They do things like establish orphanages and give aid to the poor...in order to cause overpopulation and drive mankind to self-destruction. This ends up driving Sentinel II into becoming a straight example, burning orphanages and the like for the greater good.
8th Jan '18 9:21:01 AM Albert3105
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*** [[spoiler: The latter is kind of hilarious, when you stop to think about it. As of the most recent chapter, it seems like the FinalBattle will boil down to who can save the world ''better''.]]
6th Jan '18 7:27:35 PM jameygamer
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*** Mewtwo didn't bother asking Pokémon just why they accepted humans as masters. It may seem cheesy, but friendship and trust are what make the Pokémon world even work. Just don't expect fanfiction to acknowledge this.
*** Uh, dude? Mewtwo hated the fact that '''CLONES''' were being mistreated, not just Pokémon in general. In fact, the first movie (at least, the original Japanese version) states that Mewtwo wanted to wage war not only against humanity, but against ''ALL'' natural-born life in general. Contrast that with Mew, who feels that clones (including Mewtwo) are inferior and must be destroyed.
4th Nov '17 12:35:34 PM MasterN
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* [[spoiler:Kyubey]] in ''Anime/PuellaMagiMadokaMagica''. What it's trying to do is avert, or at least delay, the heat death of the universe. Doing this just happens to involve [[spoiler:turning young girls into TheHeartless by driving them over the DespairEventHorizon, since those emotions can be efficiently harvested as energy for that purpose. Kyubey doesn't see anything wrong with this: its species doesn't have emotions, and so does not understand human value systems. It even thinks that it's being unnecessarily ''nice'' in the way it goes about it, since it will only make a girl into a MagicalGirl if she agrees to it (though Kyubey almost never reveals all the details even ''after'' the agreement is made).]]
** The first two spin-off series introduced characters who took extreme measures to fight against the effects of [[spoiler: Kyubey's magical girl system]] ''Manga/PuellaMagiKazumiMagica'' has [[spoiler: the [[AmazonBrigade Pleiades Saints]]. When their leader became a witch they began a complicated plan to reject Kyubey's system. This includes, among other things, hunting down magical girls and making them {{Human Popsicle}}s so they won't become witches. [[HoistByHisOwnPetard This backfires on them hard.]]]] ''Manga/PuellaMagiOrikoMagica'' has [[spoiler: [[AntagonistTitle the eponymous Oriko]]. When she [[{{Seer}} has a vision]] of a witch that could destroy the world, she begins a [[GambitRoulette complicated plan]] to stop the [[ApocalypseMaiden girl who will become that witch]] from contracting. This includes, among other things, sending her PsychoSupporter to kill other magical girls. Oriko ultimately succeeds in her plan [[TakingYouWithMe at the moment of her death]].]] There's also a bit of DramaticIrony going on with both series; in the end of the anime [[spoiler: all witches are [[RetGone retroactively erased from existence]]]], so everything the extremists did proved to be meaningless.
*** In ''Manga/PuellaMagiSuzuneMagica'' [[spoiler: the title character skips the convoluted plots and just kills magical girls before they become witches.]]

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* The villains in ''Franchise/PuellaMagiMadokaMagica'' are either this or out for {{Revenge}}.
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[[spoiler:Kyubey]] in ''Anime/PuellaMagiMadokaMagica''. [[Anime/PuellaMagiMadokaMagica the original anime]]. What it's trying to do is [[spoiler: [[SaveTheWorld avert, or at least delay, the heat death of the universe.universe]]]]. Doing this just happens to involve [[spoiler:turning young girls into TheHeartless by driving them over the DespairEventHorizon, since those emotions can be efficiently harvested as energy for that purpose. Kyubey doesn't see anything wrong with this: its species doesn't have emotions, and so does not understand human value systems. It even thinks that it's being unnecessarily ''nice'' in the way it goes about it, since it will only make a girl into a MagicalGirl if she agrees to it (though Kyubey almost never reveals all the details even ''after'' the agreement is made).]]
** [[spoiler: The [[EldritchAbomination witches]] themselves]] are revealed to be this in [[AllThereInTheManual supplementary materials]]- [[spoiler: they [[DrivenToSuicide drive humans to suicide]] not out of malice, but because they genuinely believe that [[MercyKill dying is preferable]] to living life as disposable pawns for Kyubey]].
** The first two spin-off series spin-offs introduced characters who took extreme measures to fight against the effects of [[spoiler: Kyubey's magical girl system]] ''Manga/PuellaMagiKazumiMagica'' has [[spoiler: the [[AmazonBrigade Pleiades Saints]]. When their leader became a witch they began a complicated plan to reject Kyubey's system. This includes, among other things, hunting down magical girls and making them {{Human Popsicle}}s so they won't become witches. [[HoistByHisOwnPetard This backfires on them hard.]]]] ''Manga/PuellaMagiOrikoMagica'' has [[spoiler: [[AntagonistTitle the eponymous Oriko]]. When she [[{{Seer}} has a vision]] of a witch that could destroy the world, she begins a [[GambitRoulette complicated plan]] to stop the [[ApocalypseMaiden girl who will become that witch]] from contracting. This includes, among other things, sending her PsychoSupporter to kill other magical girls. Oriko ultimately succeeds in her plan [[TakingYouWithMe at the moment of her death]].]] In ''Manga/PuellaMagiSuzuneMagica'' [[spoiler: the title character [[WhyDontYouJustShootHim skips the convoluted plots]] and just [[SerialKiller kills magical girls]] before they become witches.]] There's also a bit of DramaticIrony going on with both series; on; in the end of the anime [[spoiler: all witches are [[RetGone retroactively erased from existence]]]], so everything the extremists did [[ShaggyDogStory proved to be meaningless.
*** In ''Manga/PuellaMagiSuzuneMagica'' [[spoiler: the title character skips the convoluted plots and just kills magical girls before they become witches.]]
meaningless]].
1st Jul '17 12:10:16 AM Gamermaster
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* Franchise/LyricalNanoha:

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19th Jun '17 5:12:47 PM king3000
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* ''Manga/ElfenLied'': Nozomi's father only attempted to prevent her from realizing her dream of becoming a singer because she suffered a throat defect that may cause her to lose her voice, the very same kind that her mother suffered from and which eventually drove her mother to suicide. Unfortunately, his methods of preventing her involved [[AbusiveParents physical abuse]], which left Nozomi with self-esteem issues and a [[BringMyBrownPants bladder control problem]].

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* ''Manga/ElfenLied'': Nozomi's father only attempted to prevent her from realizing her dream of becoming a singer because she suffered a throat defect that may cause her to lose her voice, the very same kind that her mother suffered from and which eventually drove her mother to suicide. Unfortunately, his methods of preventing her involved [[AbusiveParents physical abuse]], which left Nozomi with self-esteem issues and a [[BringMyBrownPants bladder control problem]]. It also doesn't help that there were also other alternatives instead of abusing her.
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