Follow TV Tropes

Following

History Webcomic / Tamberlane

Go To

OR

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* MyGodWhatHaveIDone: Cur has this happen to him after the incident at Bally Bluffs; he and Kira are called out for their recklessness when it gets Jonas hurt, and when he learns that Jentzen might be banished and how [[ObliviousGuiltSlinging the mistakes someone makes will ''never'' go away and people have to deal with their consequences.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** Some characters like Cur suffered from a mix of this and ParentalAbandonment. Effectively speaking, his parents left for abroad without, seemingly without even caring about their son since he was left behind. It's not confirmed how much his parents did or did not care for him, though.

to:

** Some characters like Cur suffered from a mix of this and ParentalAbandonment. Effectively speaking, his parents left for abroad without, Abroad without him, seemingly without even caring about their son since he was left behind. It's not confirmed how much his parents did or did not care for him, though.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** Highlighting this point is the fact that Nora and Henry gave Belfrey supplies typical of a newborn baby the day after Belfry took in Tamberlane, such as a bottle and diapers. Admittedly, Tamberlane was only a toddler and still in diapers at the time, but a bottle would be necessary since Tamberlane already had fully grown teeth at that point and no longer required milk.

to:

** Highlighting this point is the fact that Nora and Henry gave Belfrey supplies typical of a newborn baby the day after Belfry took in Tamberlane, such as a bottle and diapers. Admittedly, Tamberlane was only a toddler and still in diapers at the time, but a bottle would wouldn't be necessary since Tamberlane already had fully grown teeth at that point and no longer required milk.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* FreeRangeChildren: Downplayed and justified. Treehollow is a small, close-knit community where there is very little in the day of actual danger (there are not even any cars that might make one worried about kids getting hit), and everyone there typically knows of and looks out for each other. Older kids are allowed to walk around on their own, but it's typically considered safe. A toddler like Tamberlane is given appropriate supervision, and when she runs off from Penny after being scared by Piper in the second chapter, the first adult who finds her attempts to have her returned to her family. (Tamerlane mentions Parsley, as she was going to with Penny at the time to learn to read and cannot talk nor articulate herself properly yet due to her young age) She sent Tamberlane to Parsley with the supervision of her daughter.

to:

* FreeRangeChildren: Downplayed and justified. Treehollow is a small, close-knit community where there is very little in the day of actual danger (there are not even any cars that might make one worried about kids getting hit), and everyone there typically knows of and looks out for each other. Older kids are allowed to walk around on their own, but it's typically considered safe. A toddler like Tamberlane is given appropriate supervision, and when she runs off from Penny after being scared by Piper in the second chapter, the first adult who finds her attempts to have her returned to her family. (Tamerlane (Tamberlane mentions Parsley, as she was going to with Penny at the time to learn to read and cannot talk nor articulate herself properly yet due to her young age) She sent Tamberlane to Parsley with the supervision of her daughter.



* KarmaHoudini: Played with and zig-zagged heavily by Cur in chapter 5. He does not seem to have been ofificaly punished yet by teh adults, but tehy know of his roll in pushing Tamberlane into the ice and he has been called out on this by Jonas' parents. Interestingly, Cur is clearly shown to be feeling deep remourse for what he did and is actually trying to get himself punished, confessing to his adoptive mother and yelling at her to punish him somehow. He is even refusing to eat, implying he is trying to starve himself as a form of punishment.

to:

* KarmaHoudini: Played with and zig-zagged heavily by Cur in chapter 5. He does not seem to have been ofificaly officially punished yet by teh the adults, but tehy they know of his roll in pushing Tamberlane into the ice and he has been called out on this by Jonas' parents. Interestingly, Cur is clearly shown to be feeling deep remourse remorse for what he did and is actually trying to get himself punished, confessing to his adoptive mother and yelling at her to punish him somehow. He is even refusing to eat, implying he is trying to starve himself as a form of punishment.

Added: 371

Changed: 126

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


*AscendedExtra: A retroactive example. Cur goes from a background character to an important supporting character/ antagonist in chapter 4 and even more so in chapter five. Interestingly, Cur originally did not appear before chapter 4 but this was rectified in the 2024 edits, which had him appear, albeit in the background, of a few pages throughout the chapters 2 and 3.



** Cur, the local [[TheBully bully]] is antagonistic towards Tamberlane, but deep down he's hurting his mother and father abandoned him to go Abroad. He's also fiercely loyal to his gang, which is why he lashes out at anyone who he thinks is hurting them.
* KarmaHoudini: Played with and zig zagged heavily by Cur in chapter 5. He does not seem to have been ofificaly punished yet by teh adults, but tehy know of his roll in pushing Tamberlane into the ice and he has been called out on this by Jonas' parents. Interestingly, Cur is clearly shown to be feeling deep remourse for what he did and is actually trying to get himself punished, confessing to his adoptive mother and yelling at her to punish him somehow. He is even refusing to eat, implying he is trying to starve himself as a form of punishment.
** Given that Treehollow is a close-knit community and Cur's issues are pretty well known, it could be that he adults are not letting him off the hook but know being too harsh could get him to shut down emotionally completely adn be closed off to them again, which is an issue that they have been trying to help him with for years. Seeing as Cur is only a young kid, it puts his adoptive family in a difficult spot on how to actually go about handling him. It might be that they feel is clear remorse (that he is trying to brush off by making claims to the contrary)

to:

** Cur, the local [[TheBully bully]] is antagonistic towards Tamberlane, but deep down he's hurting his mother and father abandoned him to go Abroad. He's also fiercely loyal to his gang, which is why he lashes out at anyone who he thinks is hurting them.
them. In fact, in chapter 2 he can be seen happily playing with his friends in at the dock near where Parsely is at.
* KarmaHoudini: Played with and zig zagged zig-zagged heavily by Cur in chapter 5. He does not seem to have been ofificaly punished yet by teh adults, but tehy know of his roll in pushing Tamberlane into the ice and he has been called out on this by Jonas' parents. Interestingly, Cur is clearly shown to be feeling deep remourse for what he did and is actually trying to get himself punished, confessing to his adoptive mother and yelling at her to punish him somehow. He is even refusing to eat, implying he is trying to starve himself as a form of punishment.
** Given that Treehollow is a close-knit community and Cur's issues are pretty well known, it could be that he adults are not letting him off the hook but know being too harsh could get him to shut down emotionally completely adn and be closed off to them again, which is an issue that they have been trying to help him with for years. Seeing as Cur is only a young kid, it puts his adoptive family in a difficult spot on how to actually go about handling him. It might be that they feel is clear remorse (that he is trying to brush off by making claims to the contrary)



** Highlighting this point is the fact that Nora and Henry gave Belfrey supplies typical of a newborn baby the day after Belfry took in Tamberlane, such as a bottle and diapers. Admitably, Tamberlane was only a toddler and still in diapers at the time, but a bottle would be necessary since Tamberlane already had fully grown teeth at that point and no longer required milk.

to:

** Highlighting this point is the fact that Nora and Henry gave Belfrey supplies typical of a newborn baby the day after Belfry took in Tamberlane, such as a bottle and diapers. Admitably, Admittedly, Tamberlane was only a toddler and still in diapers at the time, but a bottle would be necessary since Tamberlane already had fully grown teeth at that point and no longer required milk.



* SpotLightStealingSquad: Cur seems to be getting this to an extent in chapter 5, seeing as (of early 2024) he has had about three scenes focusing on him while the actual title character has had only about two in depth scenes(tehicnally three with but one was very brief and Tamberlane was only seen briefly being carried into hospital) , with Belfryh having only two (albeit one of those is showing up in the aforementioned earlier brief scene) and Oakwood so far only showing up in one scene respectably and a large, multi-page gap between when Tamberlane first appeared in this chapter and then later on.) Only time will tell how this plays out. By contrasts, Cur's scenes have been longer so far and more in-depth.

to:

* SpotLightStealingSquad: Cur seems to be getting this to an extent in chapter 5, seeing as (of early 2024) he has had about three scenes focusing on him while the actual title character has had only about two in depth scenes(tehicnally scenes(technically three with but one was very brief and Tamberlane was only seen briefly being carried into hospital) , with Belfryh Belfry having only two (albeit one of those is showing up in the aforementioned earlier brief scene) and Oakwood so far only showing up in one scene respectably and a large, multi-page gap between when Tamberlane first appeared in this chapter and then later on.) Only time will tell how this plays out. By contrasts, contrast, Cur's scenes have been longer so far and more in-depth.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* SpotLightStealingSquad: Cur seems to be getting this to an extent in chapter 5, seeing as (of early 2024) he has had about three scenes focusing on him while the actual title character has had only about two, with Belfry and Oakwood so far only showing up in one scene respectably( and a large, multi-page gap between when Tamberlane first appeared in this chapter and then later on.) Only time will tell how this plays out.

to:

* SpotLightStealingSquad: Cur seems to be getting this to an extent in chapter 5, seeing as (of early 2024) he has had about three scenes focusing on him while the actual title character has had only about two, two in depth scenes(tehicnally three with Belfry but one was very brief and Tamberlane was only seen briefly being carried into hospital) , with Belfryh having only two (albeit one of those is showing up in the aforementioned earlier brief scene) and Oakwood so far only showing up in one scene respectably( respectably and a large, multi-page gap between when Tamberlane first appeared in this chapter and then later on.) Only time will tell how this plays out. By contrasts, Cur's scenes have been longer so far and more in-depth.

Added: 849

Changed: 11

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* TheDiaperChange: On the first night Belfry took her in, Tamberlane has an accident, much to Belrey's chargin. Belfrey is at a loss of what to do until Oakewood helps her.

to:

* TheDiaperChange: On the first night Belfry took her in, Tamberlane has an accident, much to Belrey's chargin.dismay. Belfrey is at a loss of what to do until Oakewood helps her.
* DisproportionateRetribution: Sure, Cur has been a bully and a delinquent who picked on Tamberlane for a while. And he did in fact push her onto the lake, which led to her falling into the ice and getting hospitalized. But that last part was not intended at all and was accidental; Cur and Kira did what they could to get help. He may deserve a punishment for his actions but Piper takes it too far when he throws a water balloon at Cur during freezing temperatures and when he has been starving himself and lacks a coat, which his adoptive brother explicitly states to Piper it could kill Cur. (if this were in a different season of the year than winter, than maybe this would have been more understandable.) Made worse by the fact Cur was finally opening up to the Parsley and Marie before this happened, causing him to close back up emotionally.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

*KarmaHoudini: Played with and zig zagged heavily by Cur in chapter 5. He does not seem to have been ofificaly punished yet by teh adults, but tehy know of his roll in pushing Tamberlane into the ice and he has been called out on this by Jonas' parents. Interestingly, Cur is clearly shown to be feeling deep remourse for what he did and is actually trying to get himself punished, confessing to his adoptive mother and yelling at her to punish him somehow. He is even refusing to eat, implying he is trying to starve himself as a form of punishment.
**Given that Treehollow is a close-knit community and Cur's issues are pretty well known, it could be that he adults are not letting him off the hook but know being too harsh could get him to shut down emotionally completely adn be closed off to them again, which is an issue that they have been trying to help him with for years. Seeing as Cur is only a young kid, it puts his adoptive family in a difficult spot on how to actually go about handling him. It might be that they feel is clear remorse (that he is trying to brush off by making claims to the contrary)
*KarmaHoudiniWarranty: Piper pelts Cur with a water balloon as retribution for his bullying and (unintentional) hospitalization of Tamberlane by pushing her into ice, which led to her falling in. However, this was at a moment when Cur was finally opening up to Marie and Parelsey, and it caused him to shut down emotionally and run off, causing Parsley to snap at Piper for doing that. Given that its currently freezing when Piper did this and Cur is near skeletal, it's brought up that this could actually kill Cur, which no one feels he deserves. Additionally, Cur ends up eavesdropping on two councilmen talking in a window and the conversation (relating the trial of a teaching aid who spoke up about Abroad against the Edicts) mentions the consequences of actions, causing Cur to reflect on what his actions led to hospitalization of Tamberlane and his friend Jonas) and cry.


Added DiffLines:

*RememberTheNewGuy?: Played with by Cur and his friend Jonas and Kira. Real-world wise, they had not been created until the start of chapter 4 and those had not shown up in previous chapters. They in-universe been in Treehollow, with Jonas' mother actually being seen in a previous chapter, but simply never interacted with Tamberlane before, at least on screen. Its partially justified as she was not inschool with them during the first few chapters, having bene too young at the time.
**This was averted during the 2024 retcon on the comic, which added Cur and his friends to the backgrounds of certain of scenes in previous chapters. Such scenes include the three playing near the docks in chpaer two when Tamberlane is brought by Marie to see Parsley, and Cur can later be scene in a few scenes of chapter 3, namely sitting in the bar when Oakwood is with Tag and Danger during said scene. And then Cur can later be seen hiding under a chair during he big group shot towards the end of the chapter where the Treehollow council address the town during the festival.


Added DiffLines:

*SpotLightStealingSquad: Cur seems to be getting this to an extent in chapter 5, seeing as (of early 2024) he has had about three scenes focusing on him while the actual title character has had only about two, with Belfry and Oakwood so far only showing up in one scene respectably( and a large, multi-page gap between when Tamberlane first appeared in this chapter and then later on.) Only time will tell how this plays out.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* PapaWolf: Don't mock Tamberlane in Oakewood's presence unless you want a verbal and possibly physical beatdown. [[spoiler:This heartbreakingly goes into BrokenPedestal territory when he uncovers information on her species, and he can't control [[FantasticRacism his disgust]] that she's not an animal.]]

to:

* PapaWolf: Don't mock Tamberlane in Oakewood's presence unless you want a verbal and possibly physical beatdown. [[spoiler:This heartbreakingly goes into BrokenPedestal territory when he uncovers information on her species, and he can't control [[FantasticRacism his disgust]] that she's not an animal.]] It gets worse, [[spoiler:the First Edict orders anything human ''[[KillAllHumans must be destroyed]]''.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
whoa I know webcomics thrive on angst, but this comic suddenly got very dark


** Silver Sage has written their hatred of [[spoiler:humans]] in the Edicts, meaning their constitution actively orders the purge of [[spoiler:humanity]]. What makes this fantastically ironic is that ''nobody remembers what they looked like after they were exterminated'', so there are minorities of this race walking among the inhabitants of Treehollow and nobody realizes they're 'breaking the law' every waking moment by being decent people to these scapegoats.

to:

** Silver Sage has written their hatred of [[spoiler:humans]] in the Edicts, meaning their constitution actively orders [[spoiler: [[KillAllHumans the purge of [[spoiler:humanity]].humanity]]]]. What makes this fantastically ironic is that ''nobody remembers what they looked like after they were exterminated'', so there are minorities of this race walking among the inhabitants of Treehollow and nobody realizes they're 'breaking the law' every waking moment by being decent people to these scapegoats.

Added: 634

Changed: 640

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* CerebusSyndrome: Although the early chapters had touched on things like family drama and hinted to the xenophobic nature of Tree Hollow and their taboos of other places, the comic noticeably becomes much more dramatic after [[spoiler: Tamberlane falls through the ice. After that, Oakewood realizes that Tamberlane is human and the following chapter is nonstop emotional devastation.]]

to:

* CerebusSyndrome: Although the early chapters had touched on things like family drama and hinted to the xenophobic nature of Tree Hollow and their taboos of other places, the comic noticeably becomes much more dramatic after [[spoiler: Tamberlane falls through the ice. [[spoiler:Tamberlane and Jonas fall into a freezing river, putting her and Jonas in critical condition from pneumonia. After that, Oakewood realizes that Tamberlane is human - the half-forgotten species that Silver Sage ''hates'' - and the following chapter is nonstop emotional devastation.]] ]]



* DestroyTheEvidence: [[spoiler:When Oakewood finds TheVitruvianPose to shed light on Tamberlane's species, he rips it to pieces. Apparently deciding, just as discussing Abroad is taboo, humans must stay a mystery.]]

to:

* DestroyTheEvidence: [[spoiler:When Oakewood finds TheVitruvianPose to shed light on Tamberlane's species, TheVitruvianPose, one of the last pieces of information left about humanity and proving that Tamberlane is in fact a Homo Sapiens, he rips it to pieces. Apparently deciding, just as discussing Abroad This is taboo, humans must stay a mystery.because Silver Sage has made it their sacred duty to ''exterminate humanity''.]]



** Silver Sage has written their hatred of [[spoiler:humans]] in the Edicts, meaning their constitution actively orders the purge of [[spoiler:humanity]]. What makes this fantastically ironic is that ''nobody remembers what they looked like after they were exterminated'', so there are minorities of this race walking among the inhabitants of Treehollow and nobody realizes they're 'breaking the law' every waking moment by being decent people to these scapegoats.



** Cur, the local [[TheBully bully]] is antagonistic towards Tamberlane, but deep down he's hurting his mother and father abandoned him to go Abroad.

to:

** Cur, the local [[TheBully bully]] is antagonistic towards Tamberlane, but deep down he's hurting his mother and father abandoned him to go Abroad. He's also fiercely loyal to his gang, which is why he lashes out at anyone who he thinks is hurting them.



** Not helping matters is that WordOfGod says the life-cycle of a Creature is faster than a human, meaning she would remain a child for longer but outlive the other kids.



* NiceJobBreakingItHero: Schoolteacher Callie reports her assistant Jentzen to the council for trying to talk about the outside world which puts him at risk due to the xenophobic laws of the Silver Sage. However, an actual Council member tells her that that won't happen.

to:

* NiceJobBreakingItHero: Schoolteacher Callie reports her assistant Jentzen to the council for trying to talk about the outside world which puts him at risk due to the xenophobic laws of the Silver Sage. However, an actual Council member tells She tries to recant her actions, only to discover that that won't happen.the system cares more about upholding the law than sparing minors.



** The retcon, Inquisitive Ivan, portrays Abroad as a trickster demon who offers to save Ivan's father. And they do - by turning him into an ugly monster with sharp claws. [[DealWithTheDevil propaganda is trying to portray the medical aid Abroad offers as a devil's deal]] [[BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor whose true price is 'curing' the patients with corruption]], [[ThingsManWasNotMeantToKnow and that it's better to just ignore forbidden hopes]].

to:

** The retcon, Inquisitive Ivan, portrays Abroad as a trickster demon who offers to save Ivan's father. And they do - by turning him into an ugly monster with sharp claws. [[DealWithTheDevil The propaganda is trying to portray the medical aid Abroad offers as a devil's deal]] [[BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor whose true price is 'curing' the patients with corruption]], [[ThingsManWasNotMeantToKnow and that it's better to just ignore forbidden hopes]].



* ScaryDogmaticAliens: During the last epidemic, the population of Treehollow was practically hemorrhaging. The laws and edicts that forbade them from asking for help from Abroad, resulted in many families perishing or being banished, all because the statutory instruments cannot be changed.

to:

* ScaryDogmaticAliens: During the last epidemic, the population of Treehollow was practically hemorrhaging. The laws and edicts that forbade them from asking for help from Abroad, which resulted in many families perishing or being banished, all because the statutory instruments cannot be changed.

Top