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The Debbie and Carrie Show is a web based series created by Dale Husband using the animation app Website/{{Plotagon}} and featured mostly on [[https://www.youtube.com YouTube]]. The series was started by Husband in April of 2021 as a response to a series of animated videos called WebAnimation/BecomeJehovahsFriend AKA '''Caleb and Sophia''' produced by the Watchtower to promote the teachings of Jehovah's Witnesses. Husband, as both an atheist and a member of a Unitarian Universalist church, sought to promote free thinking instead, and frequently made targets of both religious cults and conservative politics with the show's main characters often being persecuted and opposed by their religious and ideological rivals. The main setting in the series was an unnamed Town in east Texas in the early 21st Century.

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The Debbie and Carrie Show is a web based series created by Dale Husband using the animation app Website/{{Plotagon}} Platform/{{Plotagon}} and featured mostly on [[https://www.youtube.com YouTube]]. The series was started by Husband in April of 2021 as a response to a series of animated videos called WebAnimation/BecomeJehovahsFriend AKA '''Caleb and Sophia''' produced by the Watchtower to promote the teachings of Jehovah's Witnesses. Husband, as both an atheist and a member of a Unitarian Universalist church, sought to promote free thinking instead, and frequently made targets of both religious cults and conservative politics with the show's main characters often being persecuted and opposed by their religious and ideological rivals. The main setting in the series was an unnamed Town in east Texas in the early 21st Century.
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* {{Hypocrite}}: One of the most blatant examples of this in the show is when Police Chief George Anderson, while wearing his uniform, no less, shamelessly commits an attempt at ARSON because of his hatred for the Central Characters and his misguided loyalty to his father, Ted Anderson, the Town's mayor at the time. When he is arrested, his fellow cop who is NOT corrupt, Theodore Root, ignores his rank and proceeds to give Anderson a short but damning TheReasonYouSuckSpeech
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* AnnoyingYoungerSibling: Debbie has a younger brother named James that in their early years is often an embarrassment to her. He gets better as he grows up, however.
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* OneSteveLimit: Subverted, with newer characters often being named with no regard for other characters with the same name in the past. Examples include Diana Kalli and Diana Hudson, Vicky Sims and Vicky Jones, Paul Jones and Paul Smith, and even a Steve Miller who was not related to an entire family of Millers, because Steve was white and the other Millers were black.

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* OneSteveLimit: Subverted, Defied, with newer characters often being named with no regard for other characters with the same name in the past. Examples include Diana Kalli and Diana Hudson, Vicky Sims and Vicky Jones, Paul Jones and Paul Smith, and even a Steve Miller who was not related to an entire family of Millers, because Steve was white and the other Millers were black.
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* AmazonChaser: Debbie and Carrie start out as merely best friends, but their relationship later turns romantic. One of the reasons Debbie, herself a stunning beauty, finds Carrie so attractive is because Carrie stands up fearlessly to bullies like Ted Wilson, being willing to both dish out and take savage beatings from such people.
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* CharacterizationMarchesOn: Lucy Sims and her wife Jessica Sims were originally created just to be both lesbians and an interracial couple, so that both LGBT and racism issues could be explored through them. Lucy later became known for being an ex-Jehovah's Witness, whose sister Victoria was one of her enemies. Jessica remained a FlatCharacter, acting as a foil for Lucy, until she started working at a pharmacy and began giving away free birth control to teens, making her offensive to conservative parents in the Town.
** Debbie and Carrie began the saga as teens who were each other's BestFriend but soon underwent a {{Relationship Upgrade}}. Then they got married. Then they had a son, Richard. They continued to be a couple all the way to the end of their lives, because of their {{Undying Loyalty}}
** A more dramatic example was that of Scott Miller, Lucy Sims's nephew, who like her was raised a Jehovah's Witness, and then would leave the cult as an adult, just as she did decades before. Unlike Lucy, he would convert to UsefulNotes/{{Islam}} and marry a Muslim woman.
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* TheBadGuyWins: Averted. Sandy's successors as mayor of the Town include Wayne Bentley, Mike Florence, and Matt Lesenski, who are all more conservative than her, but none of them are as corrupt as Ted Anderson was. They even ally with Sandy at times....and one of them honors her after she is dead.
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* ColorMotif: Efforts were always made to keep the colors of the major characters consistent throughout the saga. Debbie was associated with cyan, Carrie with magenta, Sandy with red, Lucy with dark blue, Jessica with cyan, Carla Jenkins with yellow and Laura Park with pink. Richard Sims, Debbie and Carrie's son, was usually dressed in white. Jessica and Debbie were also blondes, meaning they had so much in common that it was no surprise that Carrie would fall in love with Debbie.

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* ColorMotif: ColorCodedCharacters: : Efforts were always made to keep the colors of the major characters consistent throughout the saga. Debbie was associated with cyan, Carrie with magenta, Sandy with red, Lucy with dark blue, Jessica with cyan, Carla Jenkins with yellow and Laura Park with pink. Richard Sims, Debbie and Carrie's son, was usually dressed in white. Jessica and Debbie were also blondes, meaning they had so much in common that it was no surprise that Carrie would fall in love with Debbie.
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* NoCommunitiesWereHarmed: The Town in east Texas where most of the stories in the series is set is never given an actual name, though other cities, such as Boston, Los Angeles, or Dallas are mentioned by name.

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* NoCommunitiesWereHarmed: CityWithNoName: The Town in east Texas where most of the stories in the series is set is never given an actual name, though other cities, such as Boston, Los Angeles, or Dallas are mentioned by name.
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* RealLifeWritesThePlot: Dale Husband began working on the series after learning of the [[https://www.youtube.com YouTube]] user Owen Morgan AKA [[https://www.youtube.com/@OwenMorganTelltale TellTale]], whose daughter was attending a class run by a health teacher who was a Christian fanatic. Morgan and his daughter were soon driven to leave the Town they were in. The point of the Debbie and Carrie Show was to show how that could have been avoided, with the Central Characters choosing to stay and fight the bigotry that Morgan and his daughter ran from.
** Also, an episode showing Debbie breaking up with a love partner was inspired by writer Dale Husband having just broken up with his own love partner in real life. The episode's title even featured a {{Pun}}: "Breaking Up is Hell to Do".
** A terrorist group named the Faithful Remnant formed a militia to attack Austin, the capital of Texas, as a prelude to starting a second American civil war. This was directly inspired by the January 6, 2021 riot at the Capitol building in Washington D C.
* ArtisticLicenseGeography: Episodes featuring a summer camp outside the Town show it in the middle of a forest, since forested areas are represented in Plotagon scenes. But the Town is in the eastern part of Texas, which is mostly grassland.
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* EarlyInstallmentWeirdness: The "pilot" episode of the show wasn't even thought of as the first episode of a series, later episodes were intended to flesh out the characters mentioned in the pilot, then Dale Husband decided to make a full blown series and it was only about ten episodes in that the show's official title was made for it to tie the series together. Then Husband became addicted to using Plotagon and over the next 2 1/2 years, he ended up making a whopping SIX HUNDRED EPISODES of content.
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* EarlyInstallmentWeirdness: The "pilot" episode of the show wasn't even thought of as the first episode of a series, later episodes were intended to flesh out the characters mentioned in the pilot, then Dale Husband decided to make a full blown series and it was only about ten episodes in that the show's official title was made for it to tie the series together. Then Husband became addicted to using Plotagon and over the next 2 1/2 years, he ended up making a whopping SIX HUNDRED EPISODES of content.
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* UndyingLoyalty: Jessica and Lucy Sims, Carrie's lesbian mothers, have this to each other, and they pass that attitude to Carrie, who expresses it to Debbie. In turn, Debbie and Carrie pass it on to their son Richard, who is steadfast in his loyalty to his love interest Diana Hudson while they are still small children.

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* AlliterativeName: The Tuscany Tavern, an Italian restaurant founded by Debbie and Carrie's mothers that becomes a hub of activity for the Central Characters for most of the series. Also applies to Sandy Smith, Debbie's mother, though her maiden name was actually Sandy Green.

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The Tuscany Tavern, an Italian restaurant founded by Debbie and Carrie's mothers that becomes a hub of activity for the Central Characters for most of the series. Also applies to series.
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Sandy Smith, Debbie's mother, though her maiden name was actually Sandy Green.Green.
** Aphrodite Agency, a modeling agency that Debbie was a co-founder of.
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** But while Dave Owen may have been delusional, the other two Town leaders, Ted Anderson and Leonard Wilson, clearly [[NotSoWellIntentionedExtremist were motivated solely by desire to make as much profit as possible off their own people]].

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** But while Dave Owen may have been delusional, the other two Town leaders, Ted Anderson and Leonard Wilson, clearly [[NotSoWellIntentionedExtremist were motivated solely by desire to make as much profit as possible off their own people]]. For them, religion was merely a tool to keep the people in line.
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* NobleBigot: The Rev. Dave Owen, pastor of the local Baptist church, saw himself as this because of his contempt for Debbie, Carrie and their mothers. They see him as a {{Big Bad}}, however.

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* NobleBigot: The Rev. Dave Owen, [[TheFundamentalist pastor of the local Baptist church, church]], saw himself as this because of his contempt for Debbie, Carrie and their mothers. They see him as a {{Big Bad}}, however.
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* DrivenToSuicide: Averted in the case of Carrie Sims, who slits her wrists while suffering a mental breakdown, but is saved by her mothers. But years later, [[spoiler: Rev. Dave Owen kills himself with a gunshot to the head after being released from prison and realizing his career as a Baptist minister was a complete failure.]]

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* DrivenToSuicide: Averted in the case of Carrie Sims, Sims in her teens, who slits her wrists while suffering a mental breakdown, but is saved by her mothers. But years later, [[spoiler: Rev. Dave Owen kills himself with a gunshot to the head after being released from prison and realizing his career as a Baptist minister was a complete failure.]]
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** But as an old woman [[spoiler: Carrie DID poison herself to death right after Debbie died, deciding she literally couldn't live without her.]]
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* BewareTheNiceOnes: Debbie may originally have been the sweetheart compared to Carrie, but over time she would be as willing as Carrie to engage in violence against enemies, after seeing how much her mother, brother, and others were hurt by bigots. Debbie was also [[ForgivenButNotForgotten less willing to forgive past enemies]].
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* BadAssNormal: Carrie has no superpowers (normally), but her absolute fearlessness in the face of bullies and criminals means she can defeat them simply by her stubborn willingness to fight them to the bitter end. Her being injured nearly to death on more than one occasion is no deterrent.
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** BackFromTheDead: Played with. In 2029, Richard Sims's two gay fathers, Michael Jefferson and Charles McKinsey, were murdered by a homophobe. Then in the year 2061, Debbie and Carrie went back in time and undid that event, killing the homophobe before he could get to his targets. As a result, Michael and Charles survived to the 2060s instead.

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** BackFromTheDead: Played with. In 2029, Richard Sims's two gay fathers, Michael Jefferson and Charles McKinsey, Mc Kinsey, were murdered by a homophobe. Then in the year 2061, Debbie and Carrie went back in time and undid that event, killing the homophobe before he could get to his targets. As a result, Michael and Charles survived to the 2060s instead.

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* AlternateTimeline :Another common theme in the show is characters going back in time to change their own history to make things better. In one case:

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** BackFromTheDead: Played with. In 2029, Richard Sims's two gay fathers, Michael Jefferson and Charles McKinsey, were murdered by a homophobe. Then in the year 2061, Debbie and Carrie went back in time and undid that event, killing the homophobe before he could get to his targets. As a result, Michael and Charles survived to the 2060s instead.
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* CharacterCatchphrase: Subverted. Dale Husband hated this trope with a burning passion and avoided ever using it in his works....with one notable exception.

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* CharacterCatchphrase: CharacterCatchphrase and RunningGag: Subverted. Dale Husband hated this trope these tropes with a burning passion and usually avoided ever using it them in his works....with one notable exception.works.
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** But while Dave Owen may have been delusional, the other two Town leaders, Ted Anderson and Leonard Wilson, clearly [[NotSoWellIntentionedExtremist were motivated solely by desire to make as much profit as possible off their own people]].....and later by the desire for revenge at those who defeated them in the past.

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** But while Dave Owen may have been delusional, the other two Town leaders, Ted Anderson and Leonard Wilson, clearly [[NotSoWellIntentionedExtremist were motivated solely by desire to make as much profit as possible off their own people]].....and later by the desire for revenge at those who defeated them in the past.people]].
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** Also, an episode showing Debbie breaking up with a love partner was inspired by writer Dale Husband having just broken up with his own love partner in real life.

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** Also, an episode showing Debbie breaking up with a love partner was inspired by writer Dale Husband having just broken up with his own love partner in real life. The episode's title even featured a {{Pun}}: "Breaking Up is Hell to Do".
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* FeudingFamilies: There are two cases in the saga.
** The Greens vs. the Kallis, which included as members Sandy Smith (maiden name, Green) and Diana Kalli. This feud ended only when [[spoiler: Diana was killed by Sandy.]]
** The Owens vs. the Smiths (including Rev. Dave Owen, Sandy Smith, Debbie Smith, Nicolas Owen, and finally David Owen (Nicolas' son and Dave's grandson). [[spoiler: Dave and Nicolas were killed and then David was kidnapped and left to die about 50,000 years in the past.]]
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* CharacterCatchphrase: Subverted. Dale Husband hated this trope with a burning passion and avoided ever using it in his works.

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* CharacterCatchphrase: Subverted. Dale Husband hated this trope with a burning passion and avoided ever using it in his works.works....with one notable exception.
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* CharacterCatchphrase: Subverted. Dale Husband hated this trope with a burning passion and avoided ever using it in his works.
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* AsYouKnow: Frequently characters would refer to earlier events in the series in conversations. This was intended to bring those who didn't see earlier episodes up to speed on why certain events are happening in the present time.
* ClassicalMusicIsBoring: Subverted, with Sandy Smith being only willing to listen to that kind of music and being disdainful of all other kinds, which she considered dull and beneath her.

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* AsYouKnow: Frequently characters would refer to earlier events in the series in conversations. This was intended to bring those who didn't see earlier episodes up to speed on why certain events are happening in the present time.
* ClassicalMusicIsBoring: Subverted, with Sandy Smith being only willing to listen to that kind of music and being disdainful of all other kinds, which she considered dull and beneath her.
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