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[[WMG: Nora Night has connections to the Corpus, and the Solaris in particular.]]

What little we see of her animations show her with seemingly cosmetic attachments on her body that pulse with light in sync with her speech. This is a fairly unique quirk, as the only two entities that do so regularly are Cephalons and the body-modded Solaris of Fortuna. Her speech about revenge suggests some of this as well--the idea of long-game revenge is not wholly out of character for the Corpus.
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* Maybe, some of those machines can accept the parts back in exchange for coins? Kinda like getting a refund.
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Cephalons are/were actual humans/orokin who had their memories modified and their consciousnesses transferred into the Cephalon weave. "Nora" may be a Cephalon who has some form of access to pre-Orokin archives, which is why she quotes Jean-Paul Satre. In Arabic, the name "Nora" derives from the masculine "Nur", which means "Light", and the physical manifestations of most cephalons appear to be hard-light constructs. Might be a bit of a stretch, but its' food for thought nonetheless.

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Cephalons are/were actual humans/orokin who had their memories modified and their consciousnesses transferred into the Cephalon weave. "Nora" may be a Cephalon who has some form of access to pre-Orokin archives, which is why she quotes Jean-Paul Satre. In Arabic, the name "Nora" derives from the masculine "Nur", which means "Light", and the physical manifestations of most cephalons appear to be hard-light constructs. Might be a bit of a stretch, but its' food for thought nonetheless.nonetheless.

[[WMG: The Duviri Paradox update will incorporate time travel.]]

Because it's been too long since DE introduced it as a possibility with the Lua spy maps and then proceeded to never bring it up again!
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* [[spoiler:Wrong. Only Umbral frames are real people infected with the Helminth Strain.]]
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[[WMG:Before the GrandFinale ever happened, most, if all is not possible, warframes will have their Umbra variant, complete with their own story.]]

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[[WMG:Before the GrandFinale ever happened, most, if all is not possible, warframes will have their Umbra variant, complete with their own story.]]]]

[[WMG: Nora Night is a Cephalon masquerading as a human.]]

Cephalons are/were actual humans/orokin who had their memories modified and their consciousnesses transferred into the Cephalon weave. "Nora" may be a Cephalon who has some form of access to pre-Orokin archives, which is why she quotes Jean-Paul Satre. In Arabic, the name "Nora" derives from the masculine "Nur", which means "Light", and the physical manifestations of most cephalons appear to be hard-light constructs. Might be a bit of a stretch, but its' food for thought nonetheless.
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* Confirmed, in a different way. [[spoiler: after Apostasy Prologue and specifically in The Sacrifice, the Lotus isn't the same Lotus as we knew it. Since Apostasy Prologue, the "Lotus" is merely Ordis posing as Lotus to comfort the Operator.]]
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If he does become a frame, they'll probably be simply called "Stalker", and have a theme of shadows.

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If he does become a frame, they'll probably be simply called "Stalker", and have a theme of shadows.shadows.

[[WMG:Before the GrandFinale ever happened, most, if all is not possible, warframes will have their Umbra variant, complete with their own story.]]
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[[spoiler:The man in the wall said it was good that the operator remembers Isaah's death the way they did. It's almost like he expected this. I think he mimicked the Lotus' voice to put the Tenno on the trail for finding Umbra. He had to have known from the very beginning. synchronizing with the Umbra warframe while he still had memories of his son's death would lead to the tenno internalizing and misremembering Isaah's death as if they did it. That's why the Man in the wall had been wearing the Lotus' helmet during the chimera quest. It's meant to symbolize that the Lotus never put the Tenno on the trail for Umbra, it was the Man in the Wall. As for why he wanted the Tenno to obtain the Paracesis, The sentient slayer. I predict that he knows that Tenno will eventually have to kill the Lotus, their own surrogate mother. No matter what the circumstances, they can't 'want' to kill her. I predict that he's counting on the Tenno's matricide to finally break them, '''corrupting their minds with despair until only HE remains'''. Just like the Red Queen wanted to become the Tenno in The War Within, The Man in the wall, wants to take over the bodies of the Tenno. But, like the Tenno can fight off the Red Queen's continuity, it's possible for the Tenno can fight off the Man in the wall. As for a permanent solution, I have no idea. What do you guys think?]]

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[[spoiler:The man in the wall said it was good that the operator remembers Isaah's death the way they did. It's almost like he expected this. I think he mimicked the Lotus' voice to put the Tenno on the trail for finding Umbra. He had to have known from the very beginning. synchronizing with the Umbra warframe while he still had memories of his son's death would lead to the tenno internalizing and misremembering Isaah's death as if they did it. That's why the Man in the wall had been wearing the Lotus' helmet during the chimera quest. It's meant to symbolize that the Lotus never put the Tenno on the trail for Umbra, it was the Man in the Wall. As for why he wanted the Tenno to obtain the Paracesis, The sentient slayer. I predict that he knows that Tenno will eventually have to kill the Lotus, their own surrogate mother. No matter what the circumstances, they can't 'want' to kill her. I predict that he's counting on the Tenno's matricide to finally break them, '''corrupting their minds with despair until only HE remains'''. Just like the Red Queen wanted to become the Tenno in The War Within, The Man in the wall, wants to take over the bodies of the Tenno. But, like the Tenno can fight off the Red Queen's continuity, it's possible for the Tenno can fight off the Man in the wall. As for a permanent solution, I have no idea. What do you guys think?]]think?]]

[[WMG:The Shadow Stalker is a Warframe, and will eventually be playable.]]

Near the end of The Second Dream, [[spoiler:Hunhow says the Stalker still hates 'them', seemingly referring to the Orokin as a whole. However, he may be alluding to the fact that he hates Tenno specifically, and is simply being controlled by an Operator.]]

It would explain why he can come back ''ad nauseum'', as well as some of his capabilities-- he's been seen wall-running by some players, something which only Tenno are able to do. Plus, a few Dev Streams have shown member of Digital Extremes piloting the Stalker (and they even invited a few attendees to Tennocon to make it happen), so some interface for making him controllable is there.

If he does become a frame, they'll probably be simply called "Stalker", and have a theme of shadows.

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[[spoiler:Fairly self explanatory. Though somewhat unlikely since Ballas seems to have actively been trying to dehumanize Umbra, it seems
odd that he would choose to refer to his creation not even by the name Excalibur, but by Umbra. It would be like calling a Warframe by the
name Prime. An odd choice when there are numerous Primes out there.]]

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[[spoiler:Fairly self explanatory. Though somewhat unlikely since Ballas seems to have actively been trying to dehumanize Umbra, it seems
seems odd that he would choose to refer to his creation not even by the name Excalibur, but by Umbra. It would be like calling a Warframe by the
the name Prime. An odd choice when there are numerous Primes out there.]]
there]].
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[[spoiler:The man in the wall said it was good that the operator remembers Isaah's death the way they did. It's almost like he expected this. I think he mimicked the Lotus' voice to put the Tenno on the trail for finding Umbra. He had to have known from the very beginning. synchronizing with the Umbra warframe while he still had memories of his son's death would lead to the tenno internalizing and misremembering Isaah's death as if they did it. That's why the Man in the wall had been wearing the Lotus' helmet during the chimera quest. It's meant to symbolize that the Lotus never put the Tenno on the trail for Umbra, it was the Man in the Wall. As for why he wanted the Tenno to obtain the Paracesis, The sentient slayer. I predict that he knows that Tenno will eventually have to kill the Lotus, their own surrogate mother. No matter what the circumstances, they can't 'want' to kill her. I predict that he's counting on the Tenno's matricide to finally break them, '''corrupting their minds with despair until only HE remains'''. Just like the Red Queen's attempt to become the Tenno, The Man in the wall, wants to take over the bodies of the Tenno. But, like the Tenno can fight off the Red Queen's continuity, it's possible for the Tenno can fight off the Man in the wall. As for a permanent solution, I have no idea.]]

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[[spoiler:The man in the wall said it was good that the operator remembers Isaah's death the way they did. It's almost like he expected this. I think he mimicked the Lotus' voice to put the Tenno on the trail for finding Umbra. He had to have known from the very beginning. synchronizing with the Umbra warframe while he still had memories of his son's death would lead to the tenno internalizing and misremembering Isaah's death as if they did it. That's why the Man in the wall had been wearing the Lotus' helmet during the chimera quest. It's meant to symbolize that the Lotus never put the Tenno on the trail for Umbra, it was the Man in the Wall. As for why he wanted the Tenno to obtain the Paracesis, The sentient slayer. I predict that he knows that Tenno will eventually have to kill the Lotus, their own surrogate mother. No matter what the circumstances, they can't 'want' to kill her. I predict that he's counting on the Tenno's matricide to finally break them, '''corrupting their minds with despair until only HE remains'''. Just like the Red Queen's attempt Queen wanted to become the Tenno, Tenno in The War Within, The Man in the wall, wants to take over the bodies of the Tenno. But, like the Tenno can fight off the Red Queen's continuity, it's possible for the Tenno can fight off the Man in the wall. As for a permanent solution, I have no idea.]] What do you guys think?]]
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[[spoiler:And hopefully? It is up to us to help her become herself again.]] Because I really can't imagine DE just remaking all the bloody mission notifications and dialogues.

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[[spoiler:And hopefully? It is up to us to help her become herself again.]] Because I really can't imagine DE just remaking all the bloody mission notifications and dialogues.dialogues.

[[WMG:The Man in the wall Mimicked the Lotus' call in the beginning of the Sacrifice]]
[[spoiler:The man in the wall said it was good that the operator remembers Isaah's death the way they did. It's almost like he expected this. I think he mimicked the Lotus' voice to put the Tenno on the trail for finding Umbra. He had to have known from the very beginning. synchronizing with the Umbra warframe while he still had memories of his son's death would lead to the tenno internalizing and misremembering Isaah's death as if they did it. That's why the Man in the wall had been wearing the Lotus' helmet during the chimera quest. It's meant to symbolize that the Lotus never put the Tenno on the trail for Umbra, it was the Man in the Wall. As for why he wanted the Tenno to obtain the Paracesis, The sentient slayer. I predict that he knows that Tenno will eventually have to kill the Lotus, their own surrogate mother. No matter what the circumstances, they can't 'want' to kill her. I predict that he's counting on the Tenno's matricide to finally break them, '''corrupting their minds with despair until only HE remains'''. Just like the Red Queen's attempt to become the Tenno, The Man in the wall, wants to take over the bodies of the Tenno. But, like the Tenno can fight off the Red Queen's continuity, it's possible for the Tenno can fight off the Man in the wall. As for a permanent solution, I have no idea.]]
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With the revelation that [[spoiler:Lotus is a rogue Sentient]], the nature of her "mission" is obvious. If the "last sequence" she refused to perform was [[spoiler:to destroy the Tenno]], the first stages of it were clearly to [[spoiler:subvert the Tenno and use them to destroy their masters, as recounted in the Stalker's testimony]]. The Tenno were invincible in battle and defeated the Sentient invasion (despite taking casualties such as Mirage) so [[spoiler:the only way the Sentients could win was to subvert them. Lotus was meant to destroy them after using them to destroy the Orokin, making their victory complete, but she refused, preferring to keep them for herself as her children.
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With the revelation that [[spoiler:Lotus is a rogue Sentient]], the nature of her "mission" is obvious. If the "last sequence" she refused to perform was [[spoiler:to destroy the Tenno]], the first stages of it were clearly to [[spoiler:subvert the Tenno and use them to destroy their masters, as recounted in the Stalker's testimony]]. The Tenno were invincible in battle and defeated the Sentient invasion (despite taking casualties such as Mirage) so [[spoiler:the only way the Sentients could win was to subvert them. Lotus was meant to destroy them after using them to destroy the Orokin, making their victory complete, but she refused, preferring to keep them for herself as her children.
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children.]]
* [[spoiler:Confirmed.]]
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[[spoiler:Ballas is implied to be the last state of Orokin "evolution", a body-less godlike being that doesn't even use the continuity process like the Grineer Queens did. And it seems like, throughout the years, he has lost his mind. As a result, when he saw the Lotus, he became convinced that she is Margulis, despite simply being a Sentient that took her looks mostly to comfort the Tenno. Ballas, though, in his madness, decided that she is Margulis, and made her accept that she is Margulis via outright bullshit Orokin mind control. Instead of driving her into despair like the Queens seem to like to do, he instead made her sincerely believe that she is Margulis.

And hopefully? It is up to us to help her become herself again. Because I really can't imagine DE just remaking all the bloody mission notifications and dialogues.]]

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[[spoiler:Ballas is implied to be the last state of Orokin "evolution", a body-less godlike being that doesn't even use the continuity process like the Grineer Queens did. And it seems like, throughout the years, he has lost his mind. As a result, when he saw the Lotus, he became convinced that she is Margulis, despite simply being a Sentient that took her looks mostly to comfort the Tenno. Ballas, though, in his madness, decided that she is Margulis, and made her accept that she is Margulis via outright bullshit Orokin mind control. Instead of driving her into despair like the Queens seem to like to do, he instead made her sincerely believe that she is Margulis.

And
Margulis.]]

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hopefully? It is up to us to help her become herself again. again.]] Because I really can't imagine DE just remaking all the bloody mission notifications and dialogues.]]
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[[WMG:Lotus isn't Margulis. But she [[spoiler:now]] believes that she is.]]

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[[WMG:Lotus isn't Margulis. But she [[spoiler:now]] believes that she is.]]
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Why else would he demand Orokin coins in addition to credits? As for why we can exchange Prime parts for said coins, let's not think about it too hard.

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Why else would he demand Orokin coins in addition to credits? As for why we can exchange Prime parts for said coins, let's not think about it too hard.hard.

[[WMG:Lotus isn't Margulis. But she [[spoiler:now]] believes that she is.]]
[[spoiler:Ballas is implied to be the last state of Orokin "evolution", a body-less godlike being that doesn't even use the continuity process like the Grineer Queens did. And it seems like, throughout the years, he has lost his mind. As a result, when he saw the Lotus, he became convinced that she is Margulis, despite simply being a Sentient that took her looks mostly to comfort the Tenno. Ballas, though, in his madness, decided that she is Margulis, and made her accept that she is Margulis via outright bullshit Orokin mind control. Instead of driving her into despair like the Queens seem to like to do, he instead made her sincerely believe that she is Margulis.

And hopefully? It is up to us to help her become herself again. Because I really can't imagine DE just remaking all the bloody mission notifications and dialogues.]]
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*** The Sentients can subvert technology integrating it to improve themselves, the orokin had technology to upload peoples conscious into technology(also trees apparently) to act as ais and sometimes use it on criminals as we see with Ordis, Margulis was a criminal and Lotus is a sentient whos job would have been made easier by integrating such an ai
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*Maybe the graneer and corpus, in addition to entertainment, study it,as usually there unable to get good footage of tenno in combat, as whatever would be recording them usually don't last long once they show up
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* [[spoiler:Jossed by ''The Sacrifice''. Warframes are created by infecting Dax soldiers with Infested material, transforming them into the Warframes, with some even retaining memories of their former selves.]]




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** Either way, the Power Armor aspect is [[spoiler:very much jossed after ''The Sacrifice''. Warframes are Dax soldiers who were transformed by a special strain the Infestation.]]
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* While Warframe came out a year after ME3, it is much more likely that the devs simply followed the popular UsedFuture/High-tech/Organic designs that are a staple of most sci-fi factions since Starcraft.

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* While Warframe came out a year after ME3, [=ME3=], it is much more likely that the devs simply followed the popular UsedFuture/High-tech/Organic designs that are a staple of most sci-fi factions since Starcraft.
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name Prime. An odd choice when there are numerous Primes out there.]]

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name Prime. An odd choice when there are numerous Primes out there.]]]]

[[WMG:Baro Ki'Teer buys his merchandise from working Orokin vending machines he finds.]]
Why else would he demand Orokin coins in addition to credits? As for why we can exchange Prime parts for said coins, let's not think about it too hard.
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* [[spoiler:Confirmed in The Sacrifice. Umbra is still sentient enough to move on his own.]]

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* [[spoiler:Confirmed in The Sacrifice. Umbra is still sentient enough to move on his own.]]

[[WMG:[[spoiler: Umbra was the name of the Dax Soldier that became Excalibur Umbra]]]]
[[spoiler:Fairly self explanatory. Though somewhat unlikely since Ballas seems to have actively been trying to dehumanize Umbra, it seems
odd that he would choose to refer to his creation not even by the name Excalibur, but by Umbra. It would be like calling a Warframe by the
name Prime. An odd choice when there are numerous Primes out there.
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[[spoiler: Motivation definitely jossed. In The Sacrifice, Ballas was revealed to be collaborating with the Sentients during the Old War, having revealed the secrets of the Warframes and location of the Reservoir to Hunhow. His appearances also imply he was working for the Sentients during Apostasy: Prologue. In addition, Natah seems to have returned to her Sentient form and says "Mother, I am coming home." during the end of the quest, implying that content related to the Tau system, home of the Sentients, is coming in a future update. Perhaps the Old War will still restart, though.]]

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[[spoiler: *[[spoiler: Motivation definitely jossed. In The Sacrifice, Ballas was revealed to be collaborating with the Sentients during the Old War, having revealed the secrets of the Warframes and location of the Reservoir to Hunhow. His appearances also imply he was working for the Sentients during Apostasy: Prologue. In addition, Natah seems to have returned to her Sentient form and says "Mother, I am coming home." during the end of the quest, implying that content related to the Tau system, home of the Sentients, is coming in a future update. Perhaps the Old War will still restart, though.]]
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[[spoiler: Motivation definitely jossed. In The Sacrifice, Ballas was revealed to be collaborating with the Sentients during the Old War, having revealed the secrets of the Warframes and location of the Reservoir to Hunhow. His appearances also imply he was working for the Sentients during Apostasy: Prologue. In addition, Natah seems to have returned to her Sentient form and says "Mother, I am coming home." during the end of the quest, implying that content related to the Tau system, home of the Sentients, is coming in a future update. Perhaps the Old War will still restart, though.]]
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either made from some of the tenno, the original transference was permanent or possibly completely separate project entirely that were merely retrofitted to act as hosts for the tenno, excaliburs codex entry describes the frames being built around the tenno not built frames for them to wield, as would be a more accurate description of what we do in game, and in the background for all the warframe quests they are treated as individuals and the fact theres no other way to get those frames, gara is the unums guardian not there tenno, you are discovering the fate of a specific limbo to craft it , titania herself fought to defend the grove ect, these original frames would then be used as the basis of the empty shells the rest of the tenno would use, this also explains why your warframe moves on its own during the second dream, the original warframes are like Rell, conscious split, but rather then forming spectral entity's these fragments reside in each copy of themselves, too split to exert much influence on the tenno piloting them (although this could give an in universe reason for the idle animations being unique to each warframe and matching there personality nomatter what tenno is piloting them, because its a bit of the influence from the original frame changing how the tenno acts just slightly) but seeing a tenno about to be strangled to death they managed to focus enough to move on there own

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either made from some of the tenno, the original transference was permanent or possibly completely separate project entirely that were merely retrofitted to act as hosts for the tenno, excaliburs codex entry describes the frames being built around the tenno not built frames for them to wield, as would be a more accurate description of what we do in game, and in the background for all the warframe quests they are treated as individuals and the fact theres no other way to get those frames, gara is the unums guardian not there tenno, you are discovering the fate of a specific limbo to craft it , titania herself fought to defend the grove ect, these original frames would then be used as the basis of the empty shells the rest of the tenno would use, this also explains why your warframe moves on its own during the second dream, the original warframes are like Rell, conscious split, but rather then forming spectral entity's these fragments reside in each copy of themselves, too split to exert much influence on the tenno piloting them (although this could give an in universe reason for the idle animations being unique to each warframe and matching there personality nomatter what tenno is piloting them, because its a bit of the influence from the original frame changing how the tenno acts just slightly) but seeing a tenno about to be strangled to death they managed to focus enough to move on there ownown
*[[spoiler:Confirmed in The Sacrifice. Umbra is still sentient enough to move on his own.]]
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[[WMG:The first Warframes were sentient]
either made from some of the tenno, the original transference was permanent or possibly completely separate project entirely that were merely retrofitted to act as hosts for the tenno, excaliburs codex entry describes the frames being built around the tenno not built frames for them to wield, as would be a more accurate description of what we do in game, and in all the warframe quests they are treated as individuals and the fact theres no other way to get those frames, gara is the unums guardian not there tenno, you are discovering the fate of a specific limbo to craft it rather then, titania herself fought to defend the grove ect, these original frames would then be used as the basis of the empty shells the rest of the tenno would use, this also explains why your warframe moves on its own during the second dream, the original warframes are like Rell, conscious split, but rather then forming spectral entity's they reside in each copy of themselves, to split to exert much influence on the tenn piloting them although this could give an in universe reason for the idle animations being unique to each warframe and matching there personality nomatter what tenno is piloting them, because its a bit of the influence from the original frame changing how the tenno acts just slightly, but seeing a tenno about to be strangled to death they managed to focus enough to move on there own

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either made from some of the tenno, the original transference was permanent or possibly completely separate project entirely that were merely retrofitted to act as hosts for the tenno, excaliburs codex entry describes the frames being built around the tenno not built frames for them to wield, as would be a more accurate description of what we do in game, and in the background for all the warframe quests they are treated as individuals and the fact theres no other way to get those frames, gara is the unums guardian not there tenno, you are discovering the fate of a specific limbo to craft it rather then, , titania herself fought to defend the grove ect, these original frames would then be used as the basis of the empty shells the rest of the tenno would use, this also explains why your warframe moves on its own during the second dream, the original warframes are like Rell, conscious split, but rather then forming spectral entity's they these fragments reside in each copy of themselves, to too split to exert much influence on the tenn tenno piloting them although (although this could give an in universe reason for the idle animations being unique to each warframe and matching there personality nomatter what tenno is piloting them, because its a bit of the influence from the original frame changing how the tenno acts just slightly, slightly) but seeing a tenno about to be strangled to death they managed to focus enough to move on there own
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Alright, so we know the Orokin were big on biotech. They used tree roots for power conduits and data cables, they built their towers out of flesh (which, incidentally, implies that the white floors and walls inside those towers are likely not marble but rather ivory, grown in situ), their society was built upon the backs of a cloned slave labor force, their first response to the Sentient threat was a biotech plague, their second response organic combat golems encased in armor. The list goes on. We also know Ordis used to be a human before being turned into our ship AI as punishment for betraying his masters. Knowing all of the above, do you think the Orokin would've uploaded his mind into some lifeless silicon chip? No, of course not. That's not the way they did things. His original human brain is still intact, kept in a jar somewhere in the bowels of our ship.

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Alright, so we know the Orokin were big on biotech. They used tree roots for power conduits and data cables, they built their towers out of flesh (which, incidentally, implies that the white floors and walls inside those towers are likely not marble but rather ivory, grown in situ), their society was built upon the backs of a cloned slave labor force, their first response to the Sentient threat was a biotech plague, their second response organic combat golems encased in armor. The list goes on. We also know Ordis used to be a human before being turned into our ship AI as punishment for betraying his masters. Knowing all of the above, do you think the Orokin would've uploaded his mind into some lifeless silicon chip? No, of course not. That's not the way they did things. His original human brain is still intact, kept in a jar somewhere in the bowels of our ship.ship.
[[WMG:The first Warframes were sentient]
either made from some of the tenno, the original transference was permanent or possibly completely separate project entirely that were merely retrofitted to act as hosts for the tenno, excaliburs codex entry describes the frames being built around the tenno not built frames for them to wield, as would be a more accurate description of what we do in game, and in all the warframe quests they are treated as individuals and the fact theres no other way to get those frames, gara is the unums guardian not there tenno, you are discovering the fate of a specific limbo to craft it rather then, titania herself fought to defend the grove ect, these original frames would then be used as the basis of the empty shells the rest of the tenno would use, this also explains why your warframe moves on its own during the second dream, the original warframes are like Rell, conscious split, but rather then forming spectral entity's they reside in each copy of themselves, to split to exert much influence on the tenn piloting them although this could give an in universe reason for the idle animations being unique to each warframe and matching there personality nomatter what tenno is piloting them, because its a bit of the influence from the original frame changing how the tenno acts just slightly, but seeing a tenno about to be strangled to death they managed to focus enough to move on there own
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[[spoiler: Learning that his daughter, traitor or not, has been kidnapped by Ballas, a genuine Orokin, will drive him over the edge.]]

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[[spoiler: Learning that his daughter, traitor or not, has been kidnapped by Ballas, a genuine Orokin, will drive him over the edge.]]]]

[[WMG:Ordis is a BrainInAJar]]
Alright, so we know the Orokin were big on biotech. They used tree roots for power conduits and data cables, they built their towers out of flesh (which, incidentally, implies that the white floors and walls inside those towers are likely not marble but rather ivory, grown in situ), their society was built upon the backs of a cloned slave labor force, their first response to the Sentient threat was a biotech plague, their second response organic combat golems encased in armor. The list goes on. We also know Ordis used to be a human before being turned into our ship AI as punishment for betraying his masters. Knowing all of the above, do you think the Orokin would've uploaded his mind into some lifeless silicon chip? No, of course not. That's not the way they did things. His original human brain is still intact, kept in a jar somewhere in the bowels of our ship.

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