History WMG / ToTheStars

Remnants of the "[[IronicName Freedom]]" Alliance got some space ships and fled the reach of the new Earth government ([[ANaziByAnyOtherName Nazis]] [[RecycledINSPACE in deep space]]) but not without leaving spies in place, so they got all these awesome advancements such as FTL drives, immortality and so on to get even more space between their old victorious foes and themselves. In some [[ALongTimeAgoInAGalaxyFarFarAway galaxy far, far away]] they found awesome technology from a long-dead alien civilization going far, far beyond what even they and their old foes developed. After some time they understood and refined the alien tech and formulated an ambitious plan: Attack Human civilization and conquer it from the hand of the successors of their old foes (similar to Anime/AldnoahZero, but without resource problems). The cephalophods are just biological puppets to deceive the Governance into thinking of all that as an alien invasion. The conspiracy around Ryouko and her [[spoiler:being a chimaera of some sorts and that weird stuff in her brain]] was done by FA remnant agents.

This explains why Madoka is getting personally involved. Her wish has helped behind the scenes, but this affront to her nature needs direct intervention. Resolving it requires someone who believes in her and can understand why forcing girls to stay alive with corrupt soul gems is a bad idea. PoisonOakEpilepticTrees bonus: Yuma is involved in this but is keeping it a secret because she knows Kyouko would flip shit.

Remnants of the "[[IronicName Freedom]]" Alliance got some space ships and fled the reach of the new Earth government ([[ANaziByAnyOtherName Nazis]] [[RecycledINSPACE in deep space]]) but not without leaving spies in place, so they got all these awesome advancements such as FTL drives, immortality and so on to get even more space between their old victorious foes and themselves. In some [[ALongTimeAgoInAGalaxyFarFarAway galaxy far, far away]] they found awesome technology from a long-dead alien civilization going far, far beyond what even they and their old foes developed. After some time they understood and refined the alien tech and formulated an ambitious plan: Attack Human civilization and conquer it from the hand of the successors of their old foes (similar to AldnoahZero, but without resource problems). The cephalophods are just biological puppets to deceive the Governance into thinking of all that as an alien invasion. The conspiracy around Ryouko and her [[spoiler:being a chimaera of some sorts and that weird stuff in her brain]] was done by FA remnant agents.

* There is no way somebody wouldn't trying to study the law of cycles and willing to use unethical means to do so. And they have a group saying an outside goddess of human origin does it. So they have use the missing girls to isolate their soul gem, similar to the Rebellion Movie and saw witches form and think they can harvest their power.]]

[[WMG: Joanne Valentin is Homura]]

** Except that everyone who aren't magical girls are long dead by the time of To The Stars, [[spoiler: and the end of Rebellion, just before Homura recreates the universe, show them alive.]]

* In the movie, Kyubey mentions [[spoiler: that there are several people who don't exist in "the current reality". We are meant to assume this means Madoka, Sayaka, and Nagisa; however, this could include the other Kanames, Hitomi, Kyosuke, Nakazawa, and Miss. Saotome. The attempt on Kyouko's life could have been orchestrated by the incubators as a means of providing a cover-up for her disappearence.]] This also makes sense when you consider the fact that people in To the Stars have prehensile hair (i.e. they can control it), and in Rebellion,[[spoiler: when Madoka and Homura are chatting on the hill of flowers the second time, Madoka tries to braid Homura's hair, who ends up un braiding it by either A) Magic, B) Labyrinth Powers, or C) Prehensile Hair.]]

* Homura is the only person besides Madoka who remembers the old universe, and apparently never even told people Madoka's name, much less giving specifics about how the system worked (barring the possible conversation with kyubey mentioned above). The fact that she made no secret of it but never willingly revealed more than vuage hints implies there is some reason why she can't tell anyone. Not to mention the fact that Madoka herself has sworn anyone who saw her real face in vissions to secrecy. It certainly looks like between the two of them they've gone out of their way to make sure there are no hard facts or evidence to investigate.

* Either that or was intentionally vague about it to the point the Incubators dismissed it as nonsense. Thus Rebellion was Averted.

For bonus points, Ryouko shares a name with another [[Anime/KillLaKill female main character who's revealed to be an half-human hybrid!]]

As a bonus, the MSY had to reveal the existence of MG to save mankind, which combined with the war effort would push much more girls to contract, with all the extra Grief Cube consumption that comes with it.

* Hi there [[http://wiki.puella-magi.net/Itzli Itzli.]]

** In chapter 44, Yuma uses super-saturated Grief Cubes to kill the rest of the Southern Group. Apparently Oriko planned this all along.

* [[spoiler:Confirmed in Chapter 32 : Ryouko is a descendant of Tatsuya Kaname, Madoka's little brother, and an acquaintance of Homura.]]

* [[spoiler:Confirmed as of Chapter 32 : Ryuko is Tatsuya Kaname's great-great-granddaughter, and thus Madoka's great-great-grandniece]]

* [[spoiler:Confirmed in Chapter 32 : Ryuko is a descendant of Tatsuya Kaname, Madoka's little brother, and an acquaintance of Homura.]]

Ryouko's vision from inside a tank of fluid in the same chapter:

the reader might suspect that there's something special about the circumstances of Ryouko's birth, beyond what we already know. Plus, we know her parents are biological researchers, responsible for developing the secretive [[spoiler:magical girl cloning project]].

Oriko saw the true colors of the Incubators, how their quest for more energy would lead them to trap humanity in a massive war for survival once the technological advance would let them survive against the cephalopods, just so they could fulfill their energy quota for Earth. We already saw it in the pre-Madoka universe, where Kyubey forced Madoka into contracting in amny of Homura's failed timelines while knowing that she would become a world-ending witch, but not caring the least because that would let him reach Earth's quota.

Everything she did with the Southern Group was geared toward the objective of founding a MSY as strong and organized as possible in the mother of all GenghisGambit : they trashed Mami's apartment to goad her into directly attacking them in a place that was withing Kyouko's reach, inciting her to help Mami and rekindle their friendship, and keep in mind that Oriko can see the future, so shoe would had know that Kyouko would go help Mami. The attacks on various MG groups gave them a common enemy and later incited them into uniting into what would later become the MSY. Even the apparent random slaughter of magical girls could be explained as Oriko trying to kill the more unstable elements of every groups who would later go mad and threaten the unity of the alliance (their teammate would rather try to protect their sisters-in-arms rather than submit to a still new magical girl coalition). Even after the Southern Group destruction, their acts heavily influenced the MSY charter and the creation of the Soul Guard (and later the MHD) to take care of the criminals and insane magical girls, ensuring the security and stability of the MSY, especially in times of war.

That's why the Incubators were so cooperative with the other groups in the conflict against the Southern Group, breaking their usual absolute neutrality, they keeps their neutrality even in a war for survival against aliens of incomprehensible advanced technology!) : they somehow discovered what Oriko foresaw, and want her dead before she can throw a spanner in their plans. They are also behind the mysterious disappearance of the precognitive class of magical girls and total absence of new ones contracted since then : they managed to have the remaining precogs hunted down, and didn't contracted with girls who could become precogs, or somehow found a way to prevent a magical girl to become one upon contracting, "vetoing" that power when their contract is made.

For bonus points : Oriko put Yuma into the confidence of her vision and true motive, she foresaw the potential Yuma had and the vital part her skills would play in the MSY, and entrusted her with continuing her work on assuring the MSY's strength and stability. [[spoiler: Oriko's cadaver moving and directly looking at Ryouko during her vision of the Goddess in chapter 9]] could mean two things :

[[WMG: Ryouko was genetically engineered.]]
Between Asaka's remarks in [[https://archiveofourown.org/works/777002/chapters/1462003 Chapter 9]], as Ryouko was getting fitted with implants:
--> “Her genetic profile is outside the five-sigma safe limit for using the customary procedure,” Patricia said airily, clearly not quite focusing on the conversation. "About six, to be more precise. Can't really get greater precision so far out."
and the exchange between Ryouko's father and his colleague in [[https://archiveofourown.org/works/777002/chapters/1462014 Chapter 13]], as they prepared to upgrade Ryouko's [=TacComp=]:
--> “Unusual genetics in her file,” one of the technicians commented, shaking a vial. “Your daughter is ''unique'', Kuma-san. It just means more work for us.”
--> It was said in the vein of a joke, and her father, who apparently knew the man, smiled and nodded, catching the intended humor.
--> Not getting the reaction he had been expecting—namely, a question ''about'' the unusual genetics—the technician was briefly awkward, then turned back to his work.
--> Ryouko watched the exchange, a little puzzled.
and Goddess Madoka's enigmatic remark in [[https://archiveofourown.org/works/777002/chapters/2253106 Chapter 29]]:
--> “But, it is easy to manipulate history, if you know how,” the girl said. “Even if you have very little direct influence. A suggestion here, a vision there, a well-timed demon spawn—you don’t know it, but this is one of the things you were born for. Your wish made sure of it.”
the reader might suspect that there's something special about the circumstances of Ryouko's birth, beyond what we already know. Plus, we know her parents are biological researchers, responsible for developing the secretive [[spoiler:magical girl cloning project]].

[[WMG: Simona Del Mago is Homura.]]

Between Asaka's remarks in Chapter 9, as Ryouko was getting fitted with implants:

and the exchange between Ryouko's father and his colleague in Chapter 13, as they prepared to upgrade Ryouko's TacComp:

and Goddess Madoka's enigmatic remark in Chapter 29:

there's much to suggest that there's something special about the circumstances of Ryouko's birth. Plus, we know her parents are biological researchers, working on the secretive [[spoiler:magical girl cloning project]].

* An alternative theory : the ''Incubators'' found a way to create super-saturated Grief Cubes, and used them to get rid of the Southern Group. After all, all they dispose of all the fulled Grief Cubes, so dumping massive excess of gried in some of them or stocking a small amount of them during a decade or more for an occasion where they need to more directly intervene shouldn't be too difficult.

The cephalopods are actually under the Incubator's orders, and where sent to attack humanity in a war of extermination, but which strangely relied on Hollywood tactics and showing off, with their full scale and serious assaults only barely lacking the punch for a victory.

That's why the Incubators were so cooperative with the other groups in the conflict against the Southern Group, breaking their usual absolute neutrality, (they keeps their neutrality even in a war for survival against aliens of incomprehensible advanced technology!) : they somehow discovered what Oriko foresaw, and want her dead before she can throw a spanner in their plans. They are also behind the mysterious disappearance of the precognitive class of magical girls and total absence of news one contracted since then : they managed to have the remaining precogs hunted down, and didn't contracted with girls who could become precogs, or somehow found a way to prevent a magical girl to become one upon contracting, "vetoing" that power when their contract is made.

For bonus points : Oriko put Yuma into the confidence of her vision and true motive, she the potential Yuma had and the vital part her skills would play in the MSY, and entrusted her with continuing her work on assuring the MSY's strength and stability. [[spoiler: Oriko's cadaver moving and directly looking at Ryouko during her vision of the Goddess in chapter 9]] could mean two things :

- Oriko is still alive, continuing her secret fight against the Incubators, and could stay under detection thanks to Yuma's control over the government's surveillance systems.

* Rereading Ch. 8 (Kyouko and Yuma's conversation), it seems pretty likely that Oriko discovered some kind of method to create super-saturated grief cubes, which create especially powerful and/or numerous demons if something goes wrong (or right, depending on what you're using them for) - Yuma specifically asks whether the group that attacked Ryouko and Simona was 'unusually hard to fight'. This explains why Oriko's group was unexpectedly wiped out by a horde of demons they (according to Mami) really should have been able to handle.