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Given that Knull is predominantly a ''ComicBook/{{Venom}}'' character and thus likely falls under the purview of Sony, and the Necrosword was previously shown as byproducts of Hela's crown in ''Thor: Ragnarok'' -- with the crown itself being called the Necrosword in ''WesternAnimation/WhatIf'', Hela will play Knull's role as the dark god from whom Gorr gets the Necrosword.

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Given that Knull is predominantly a ''ComicBook/{{Venom}}'' character and thus likely falls under the purview of Sony, and the Necrosword was previously shown as byproducts of Hela's crown in ''Thor: Ragnarok'' -- with the crown itself being called the Necrosword in ''WesternAnimation/WhatIf'', ''WesternAnimation/WhatIf2021'', Hela will play Knull's role as the dark god from whom Gorr gets the Necrosword.
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Just like how ''LightNovel/GoblinSlayer'' cleverly got away with including a [[TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons Beholder]] by establishing it as a monster with [[TheScottishTrope an unspeakable name]], to allude to the Necrosword's comic origins while not having to deal with Sony's lawyers, it'll simply be described somewhere along the lines of "It was forged untold eons ago by an Elder God of the abyss, so old and terrible, no one knows his name, to lead his horde of ravenous beasts that corrupted and devoured all they came across."

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Just like how ''LightNovel/GoblinSlayer'' ''Literature/GoblinSlayer'' cleverly got away with including a [[TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons Beholder]] by establishing it as a monster with [[TheScottishTrope an unspeakable name]], to allude to the Necrosword's comic origins while not having to deal with Sony's lawyers, it'll simply be described somewhere along the lines of "It was forged untold eons ago by an Elder God of the abyss, so old and terrible, no one knows his name, to lead his horde of ravenous beasts that corrupted and devoured all they came across."
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** Or Lu Ban or Ninildu ... assuming the god in question is even from Earth.
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Similar to Film/SpiderManNoWayHome and Film/DoctorStrangeInTheMultiverseOfMadness, it's possible that Marvel Studios hiding Hercules' presence in the trailer with visual effects trickery like they did with [[spoiler:both Tobey Maguire and Andrew Garfield's Spider-Men]] in the former and they already casts a well-known actor for the role. Not to mention that Olympians like Zeus are confirmed to appear in the film, it wouldn't make sense to leave Hercules out from Love and Thunder.

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Similar to Film/SpiderManNoWayHome ''Film/SpiderManNoWayHome'' and Film/DoctorStrangeInTheMultiverseOfMadness, ''Film/DoctorStrangeInTheMultiverseOfMadness'', it's possible that Marvel Studios hiding Hercules' presence in the trailer with visual effects trickery like they did with [[spoiler:both Tobey Maguire and Andrew Garfield's Spider-Men]] in the former and they already casts a well-known actor for the role. Not to mention that Olympians like Zeus are confirmed to appear in the film, it wouldn't make sense to leave Hercules out from Love and Thunder.



* Film/CaptainMarvel or [[Series/WandaVision the Scarlet Witch]] (both are infused with the cosmic power of infinity stones, and powerful enough to be held in some reverence by people/groups)

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* Film/CaptainMarvel Film/{{Captain Marvel|2019}} or [[Series/WandaVision the Scarlet Witch]] (both are infused with the cosmic power of infinity stones, and powerful enough to be held in some reverence by people/groups)



* [[Film/DoctorStrange Dormammu]]

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* [[Film/DoctorStrange [[Film/DoctorStrange2016 Dormammu]]
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Thor - despite being kind of a goof and full of bluster and quick assumptions - has been shown to be fairly observant when he wants to be, and actually as intelligent as you'd expect the former Prince/King of Asgard to be. Thus, after a couple of years of travelling together, I posit that he ''absolutely'' knows the ship is Quill's and he's not really "giving him it". Same for his role with the Guardians. It seems more likely that its calling back to the way they met, Thor choosing to have one last chuckle at/with Quill before they part ways.

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Thor - despite being kind of a goof and full of bluster and quick assumptions - has been shown to be fairly observant when he wants to be, and actually as intelligent as you'd expect the former Prince/King of Asgard to be. Thus, after a couple of years of travelling together, I posit that he ''absolutely'' knows the ship is Quill's and he's not really "giving him it". Same for his role with the Guardians. It seems more likely that its calling back to the way they met, Thor choosing to have one last chuckle at/with Quill before they part ways.
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King Valkyrie wanted to make Thanos and his EvilPlan look ridiculous as part of a larger plan to shame his memory and legacy. It's similar to why Mel Brooks does his best to make Adolf Hitler look like a fool in his films. For all we know, there is a play in New Asgard that commemorates Thor slicing his chest (and, yes, mentioning that he "should have gone for the head"), and the store itself might spread the story of how Thor and his buddies reversed the Snap and then kicked Thanos's ass.

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King Valkyrie wanted to make Thanos and his EvilPlan look ridiculous as part of a larger plan to shame his memory and legacy. It's similar to why Mel Brooks does his best to make Adolf Hitler look like a fool in his films. For all we know, there is a play in New Asgard that commemorates Thor slicing his Thanos's chest (and, yes, mentioning that he "should have gone for the head"), and the store itself might spread the story of how Thor and his buddies reversed the Snap and then kicked Thanos's ass.ass.
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[[WMG: Thor was messing with Quill in their parting scene at the start of the film.]]
Thor - despite being kind of a goof and full of bluster and quick assumptions - has been shown to be fairly observant when he wants to be, and actually as intelligent as you'd expect the former Prince/King of Asgard to be. Thus, after a couple of years of travelling together, I posit that he ''absolutely'' knows the ship is Quill's and he's not really "giving him it". Same for his role with the Guardians. It seems more likely that its calling back to the way they met, Thor choosing to have one last chuckle at/with Quill before they part ways.
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* And while he's waiting, he'll fight some people that are stirring up trouble, just to stay in practice. And he'll find that by actually helping people, he will get the adolation Zues is looking for, and he will turn in to more of a heroic figure.

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Note how Stark and Banner stated that the combined might of the Infinity Stones is literally ''"enough radiation to power a '''continent."''''' Even Thanos was severely and irreperably scarred and maimed with each outburst of said radiation. Now, consider the frail, ''mere mortal'' frame of a young college graduate like Jane Foster, who, although only held ''a sixth'' of said stones in her body in ''Dark World'', was still explicitly ''dying'' from enough radiation that could presumably power a ''city'' coursing in her body throughout the film. Even after the fact of having it removed, the damage to her body on a cellular, yykand worse yet genetic level, would have already been irreparable, which her maternal-lineage's history of cancer would only exacerbate.

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Note how Stark and Banner stated that the combined might of the Infinity Stones is literally ''"enough radiation to power a '''continent."''''' Even Thanos was severely and irreperably scarred and maimed with each outburst of said radiation. Now, consider the frail, ''mere mortal'' frame of a young college graduate like Jane Foster, who, although only held ''a sixth'' of said stones in her body in ''Dark World'', was still explicitly ''dying'' from enough radiation that could presumably power a ''city'' coursing in her body throughout the film. Even after the fact of having it removed, the damage to her body on a cellular, yykand and worse yet genetic level, would have already been irreparable, which her maternal-lineage's history of cancer would only exacerbate.


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[[WMG:Thor will adopt Jane’s mysterious catchphrase in the sequel.]]
In this case, it would be to honor her memory. It would also be a way to reveal what it was, instead of [[RiddleForTheAges leaving it unanswered]].

[[WMG:Thor will be, for lack of a better term, wiser in the sequel.]]
Thor’s apparent immaturity in ''Love and Thunder'' was a frequent criticism among detractors of the film. To address this, the next film (or whatever work Thor appears in next) will make him a bit smarter or more mature while still retaining his sense of humor (especially if Waititi is the director). It could even be justified as Thor having to get his act together now that he has a daughter to take care of.
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* Agar, as that was the name of Gorr's child who died and instigated his hatred of gods. Yes, it belonged to his ''son'', but it could be a gender-neutral name on his world for all we know.

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[[WMG: Thor will briefly clash with Hercules, only to eventually befriend each other.]]
They could then team up and fight Zeus together. Hercules could even become an HonoraryUncle to Thor’s daughter.

[[WMG: Thor will visit Valhalla in the sequel.]]
Albeit via a method that doesn’t involve death.



[[WMG: The sequel will have a somewhat noticeable shift in tone.]]
Since one of the main criticisms of ''Love and Thunder'' is the contrast between the serious and comedic scenes, the next film will likely try to aim for a more consistent tone. Whether they lean more towards serious or comedic is up to the creators.



[[WMG:Thor 5 will focus on a group of teenage superheroes]]
The ending sets this up with Love fighting alongside Thor and the Asgard kids getting combat training.
They'll probably be teenagers by the time Thor 5 rolls around.




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[[WMG: Thor will briefly clash with Hercules, only to eventually befriend each other.]]
They could then team up and fight Zeus (or whoever the film’s antagonist is) together. Hercules could even become an HonoraryUncle to Thor’s daughter.

[[WMG: Thor will visit Valhalla in the sequel.]]
Albeit via a method that doesn’t involve death.

[[WMG: The sequel will have a somewhat noticeable shift in tone.]]
Since one of the main criticisms of ''Love and Thunder'' is the contrast between the serious and comedic scenes, the next film will likely try to aim for a more consistent tone. Whether they lean more towards serious or comedic is up to the creators.

[[WMG:Thor 5 will focus on a group of teenage superheroes]]
The ending sets this up with Love fighting alongside Thor and the Asgard kids getting combat training.
They'll probably be teenagers by the time Thor 5 rolls around.
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[[WMG: A fifth ''Thor'' film will take the series in a new direction that's deliberately divergent from what came before]]

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** Or Eternity gave her those powers intentionally, because Gorr actually wished for Love to be alive ''and safe'', not just alive. If she's going to grow up with a disaster-magnet like Thor for a daddy, the Big E figured she'll need power like that.
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King Valkyrie wanted to make Thanos and his EvilPlan look ridiculous as part of a larger plan to shame his memory and legacy. It's similar to why Mel Gibson does his best to make Adolf Hitler look like a fool in his films. For all we know, there is a play in New Asgard that commemorates Thor slicing his chest (and, yes, mentioning that he "should have gone for the head"), and the store itself might spread the story of how Thor and his buddies reversed the Snap and then kicked Thanos's ass.

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King Valkyrie wanted to make Thanos and his EvilPlan look ridiculous as part of a larger plan to shame his memory and legacy. It's similar to why Mel Gibson Brooks does his best to make Adolf Hitler look like a fool in his films. For all we know, there is a play in New Asgard that commemorates Thor slicing his chest (and, yes, mentioning that he "should have gone for the head"), and the store itself might spread the story of how Thor and his buddies reversed the Snap and then kicked Thanos's ass.
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[[WMG: King Valkyrie was the one who proposed the "Infinity Cones" Icecream Store]]
King Valkyrie wanted to make Thanos and his EvilPlan look ridiculous as part of a larger plan to shame his memory and legacy. It's similar to why Mel Gibson does his best to make Adolf Hitler look like a fool in his films. For all we know, there is a play in New Asgard that commemorates Thor slicing his chest (and, yes, mentioning that he "should have gone for the head"), and the store itself might spread the story of how Thor and his buddies reversed the Snap and then kicked Thanos's ass.
In short, it a symbolic victory-over-Thanos trophy that can also bring in tourist money for the community.

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Ra (as well as most of, if not the entire Egyptian Pantheon) was absent because he was either [[Series/MoonKnight sealed away via turned into a stone statue]] or is active enough in caring about humanity that he was never there that day.

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Ra (as well as most of, if not the entire Egyptian Pantheon) was absent because he was either [[Series/MoonKnight [[Series/MoonKnight2022 sealed away via turned into a stone statue]] or is active enough in caring about humanity that he was never there that day.day.

[[WMG: If Love meets Loki L1130 and Sylvie...]]
...because she calls Thor [[HonoraryUncle "Uncle Thor"]], she'll call them "Uncle Loki" and "Aunt Sylvie".
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[[WMG: Ra's absence in the film...]]
Ra (as well as most of, if not the entire Egyptian Pantheon) was absent because he was either [[Series/MoonKnight sealed away via turned into a stone statue]] or is active enough in caring about humanity that he was never there that day.
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Thanos was scarred and maimed permanently, Hulk not so much.


Note how Stark and Banner stated that the combined might of the Infinity Stones is literally ''"enough radiation to power a '''continent."''''' Even ''Godlike'' entities like Thanos and Banner are severely and irreperably scarred and maimed with each outburst of said radiation. Now, consider the frail, ''mere mortal'' frame of a young college graduate like Jane Foster, who, although only held ''a sixth'' of said stones in her body in ''Dark World'', was still explicitly ''dying'' from enough radiation that could presumably power a ''city'' coursing in her body throughout the film. Even after the fact of having it removed, the damage to her body on a cellular, yykand worse yet genetic level, would have already been irreparable, which her maternal-lineage's history of cancer would only exacerbate.

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Note how Stark and Banner stated that the combined might of the Infinity Stones is literally ''"enough radiation to power a '''continent."''''' Even ''Godlike'' entities like Thanos and Banner are was severely and irreperably scarred and maimed with each outburst of said radiation. Now, consider the frail, ''mere mortal'' frame of a young college graduate like Jane Foster, who, although only held ''a sixth'' of said stones in her body in ''Dark World'', was still explicitly ''dying'' from enough radiation that could presumably power a ''city'' coursing in her body throughout the film. Even after the fact of having it removed, the damage to her body on a cellular, yykand worse yet genetic level, would have already been irreparable, which her maternal-lineage's history of cancer would only exacerbate.
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[[WMG: Korg was adopted as a child on Sakaar.]]
In ''Ragnarok'', he mentions his mother and her new boyfriend were the only ones who showed up for his rebellion. In this movie, he says he has two dads. Given that Sakaar tends to be a place people end up in by accident, it's entirely plausible he wound up there from his homeworld and was adopted by one of its inhabitants.

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* Valkyrie's love interest, whoever that was.



Note how Stark and Banner stated that the combined might of the Infinity Stones is literally ''"enough radiation to power a '''continent."''''' Even ''Godlike'' entities like Thanos and Banner are severely and irreperably scarred and maimed with each outburst of said radiation. Now, consider the frail, ''mere mortal'' frame of a young college graduate like Jane Foster, who, although only held ''a sixth'' of said stones in her body in ''Dark World'', was still explicitly ''dying'' from enough radiation that could presumably power a ''city'' coursing in her body throughout the film. Even after the fact of having it removed, the damage to her body on a cellular, and worse yet genetic level, would have already been irreparable, which her maternal-lineage's history of cancer would only exacerbate.

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Note how Stark and Banner stated that the combined might of the Infinity Stones is literally ''"enough radiation to power a '''continent."''''' Even ''Godlike'' entities like Thanos and Banner are severely and irreperably scarred and maimed with each outburst of said radiation. Now, consider the frail, ''mere mortal'' frame of a young college graduate like Jane Foster, who, although only held ''a sixth'' of said stones in her body in ''Dark World'', was still explicitly ''dying'' from enough radiation that could presumably power a ''city'' coursing in her body throughout the film. Even after the fact of having it removed, the damage to her body on a cellular, and yykand worse yet genetic level, would have already been irreparable, which her maternal-lineage's history of cancer would only exacerbate.




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** This could be a weird description of Hephaestus.


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[[WMG: Jane Foster's final catchphrase was...]]
* "Love and Thunder!" It makes a lot of sense considering her ruminations on ThePowerOfLove throughout the movie, it would explain why Thor chose that as his adopted daughter's name, and it would add another layer to the title.
* "Have at thee!" One of the original Thor's comics catchphrases, and maybe she added the YeOldeButcheredEnglish for her own amusement.
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* On an uglier note, it's entirely possible that '''Hela''' wound up there also, given how she perished while defiantly battling Surtur. Nothing in ''Love And Thunder'' suggested an Asgardian had to die fighting ''for a good cause'' to go there, after all...
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[[WMG: Others in Valhalla]]
We already saw Jane and Heimdall in Valhalla, so let's list the others:
* Loki because he died defying Thanos just like Heimdall.
* The rest of the Valkyries, which is ironic considering they're supposed to ''take'' people to Valhalla in the myths.
* Skurge, who died fighting off Hela's warriors.
* The Warriors Three. While Fandral and Hogun died fighting Hela, with Volstagg there's a gray area as he didn't so much as charge or raise his weapon before Hela skewered him, but he did pick up his weapon when he saw her arrive and his tone of voice made it clear he was going to fight, so that may have been "battle" enough for Valhalla.
* The Einherjar Hela massacred.
* Frigga because she died defying Malekith.
* Odin through a technicality, since he spent an unknown amount of millennia fighting through his power to keep Hela at bay.
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[[WMG: Gorr will have a series on Disney+ detailing his battles (and butcheries) of some of the gods he encountered]]
A major criticism of the film was how Gorr was [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter vastly underutilized]]. Not only that, but he was only seen killing one god onscreen, [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot with countless others being murdered offscreen]]. A Disney+ series could rectify those complaints, allowing fans to see Gorr live up to his title, and possibly even set up future events to come in the MCU.
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** Or maybe she has the powers as a side effect of being made by Eternity?




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* She’s a bit too dead for that. Unless there’s a Valhalla branch? But the other Valkyries are already there, most likely.

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