History WMG / ThiefOfTime

8th May '16 7:58:34 AM TheOneWhoTropes
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[[WMG: Lu-Tze is actually [[TengenToppaGurrenLagann Simon the Digger]].]]

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[[WMG: Lu-Tze is actually [[TengenToppaGurrenLagann [[Anime/TengenToppaGurrenLagann Simon the Digger]].]]
1st Jan '16 8:12:31 AM Shrekdaly
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[[WMG: The Abbot knew (or guessed) more about Lobsang than he let on.]]
When the Abbot, Lu-Tze, and the senior history Monks are discussing what to do with Lobsang, the Abbot asks Lu-Tze to help, and eventually Lu-Tze agrees, saying "I will help him find a Way."

However that wasn't what the Abbot asks. Specifically he says "Will you teach him? The boy needs to...find himself." Given the events later in the book, it seems likely that his choice of wording is no coincidence. There are, after all, many many instances in this book where phrasing and language are important, and brushing specific language off as just an old saying or turn of phrase is done at one's own peril (i.e. the teachings of Mrs. Cosmopilite)

Plus it just seems like such a Pratchett thing to do, to have such a small line really show far more about s character's depth than you'd be able to get with just one read through.
2nd Dec '15 4:20:26 PM coinneach
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** Not only that, but also this:
-->'''Wen:''' I know the answers to all questions. Ask me.
-->'''Clodpool:''' What does Master want for breakfast?
-->'''Wen:''' Ah, one of the difficult ones.

-->'''Lobsang:''' Can I ask a question?
-->'''Lu-Tze:''' Yes?
-->'''Lobsang:''' ''What the hell is going on?''
-->'''Lu-Tze:''' Ah, one of the difficult ones.
18th Oct '15 9:43:08 AM Discipulus
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[[WMG: Lu-Tze is Clodpool the Apprentice.]]
Clodpool is consistently shown to be not really at home with the enlightened philosophy muck that Wen tosses about, but is also shown to be intensely practical, e.g. asking Wen what he wants for breakfast rather than asking after the aforementioned enlightened philosophy muck. This fits neatly with Lu-Tze's own mindset: he focuses on practical matters like keeping the place clean, resolving conflicts with minimum applied force rather than with big showy actions. In addition, it fits well narratively: Clodpool the Apprentice, frustrated to no end by Wen's repeated attempts to teach him philosophy, goes off to Ankh-Morpork to find his own way, finds it in the practical common sayings of Ms. Cosmopolite, and returns enlightened as Lu-Tze the Sweeper. However, to the others, he's still stupid Clodpool, leading to their contempt of him.
12th Sep '15 11:06:09 AM Sharlee
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*** Death doesn't hate dogs, he spared Gaspode and Laddie back in ''Moving Pictures'' and played with Scraps in ''Carpe Jugulum''.
12th Sep '15 7:30:26 AM Sharlee
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** It's also stated quite clearly that "the young Lu-Tze" was the one to come to Ankh-Morpork seeking perplexity. Presumably that ''had'' to have happened quite a long time ago by Lu-Tze's own perspective, as he's been a little bald wrinkly smiling man since he learned enough to age circularly; indeed, long enough that advice not to act incautiously around such a person rates as the monastery's Rule ''One''.
26th Jun '15 7:55:18 AM Sharlee
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The rampant manipulation of time that was practiced in Djelibeybi for seven thousand years should've incurred the attention of the History Monks, if not Time herself, had either been aware of the development of Dios's StableTimeLoop in the era of Khuft. Given that the Djelibeybi pyramids simply burned off their excess time, rather than making it available for storage on procrastinators, there was no good reason for the Men In Saffron to allow the Old Kingdom to engage in this wasteful and ultimately destructive practice - they couldn't harvest time for other purposes if it was being converted to flarelight and destroyed, and they needed all of it they could get for their own work - and Time herself would likely have considered it demarcation for mortals to tamper with her domain so intensely./

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The rampant manipulation of time that was practiced in Djelibeybi for seven thousand years should've incurred the attention of the History Monks, if not Time herself, had either been aware of the development of Dios's StableTimeLoop in the era of Khuft. Given that the Djelibeybi pyramids simply burned off their excess time, rather than making it available for storage on procrastinators, there was no good reason for the Men In Saffron to allow the Old Kingdom to engage in this wasteful and ultimately destructive practice - they couldn't harvest time for other purposes if it was being converted to flarelight and destroyed, and they needed all of it they could get for their own work - and Time herself would likely have considered it demarcation for mortals to tamper with her domain so intensely./
intensely.
26th Jun '15 7:54:58 AM Sharlee
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The rampant manipulation of time that was practiced in Djelibeybi for seven thousand years would've invited the attentions of the History Monks, if not Time herself, had either anticipated the development of Dios's StableTimeLoop in the era of Khuft. Considering how the Djelibeybi pyramids had been burned off their excess time, rather than making it available for storage on procrastinators, there was no good reason for the Men In Saffron to allow them to engage in this wasteful and ultimately destructive practice - they couldn't harvest time for other purposes if it was being converted to flarelight and destroyed - and Time herself would likely have considered it demarcation. However, if the History Monks avoid changing events that pre-date their own founding, to avoid irreconcilable paradoxes, and if Time herself were distracted by Wen's courtship at the moment Dios appeared from the future, then neither would've been in a position to derail the StableTimeLoop's initial formation. Once the looping priest had made a solid impact on the Djel valley's history, all they could do was let the Loop run its course, while minimizing the temporal damage to nearby regions.


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The rampant manipulation of time that was practiced in Djelibeybi for seven thousand years would've invited should've incurred the attentions attention of the History Monks, if not Time herself, had either anticipated been aware of the development of Dios's StableTimeLoop in the era of Khuft. Considering how Given that the Djelibeybi pyramids had been simply burned off their excess time, rather than making it available for storage on procrastinators, there was no good reason for the Men In Saffron to allow them the Old Kingdom to engage in this wasteful and ultimately destructive practice - they couldn't harvest time for other purposes if it was being converted to flarelight and destroyed destroyed, and they needed all of it they could get for their own work - and Time herself would likely have considered it demarcation. demarcation for mortals to tamper with her domain so intensely./

However, if the History Monks avoid changing events that pre-date their own order's founding, to avoid irreconcilable paradoxes, and then they couldn't intervene in something that happened before Wen established his "special relationship" with Time. Likewise, if Time herself were distracted from her duties by Wen's courtship at the moment Dios appeared from the future, then neither would've been in a position she could've missed her chance to derail the StableTimeLoop's initial formation. Once the looping priest had made a solid impact on the Djel valley's history, and neither Time nor the Monks had prevented it from happening, all they could do was let the Loop run its course, while minimizing the temporal damage to nearby regions.

26th Jun '15 7:50:22 AM Sharlee
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[[WMG: Wen the Eternally Surprised was born a little over 7000 years ago.]]

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[[WMG: Wen the Eternally Surprised was born a little over first courted Time about 7000 years ago.]]
26th Jun '15 7:49:51 AM Sharlee
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[[WMG: Wen the Eternally Surprised was born a little over 7000 years ago.]]
The rampant manipulation of time that was practiced in Djelibeybi for seven thousand years would've invited the attentions of the History Monks, if not Time herself, had either anticipated the development of Dios's StableTimeLoop in the era of Khuft. Considering how the Djelibeybi pyramids had been burned off their excess time, rather than making it available for storage on procrastinators, there was no good reason for the Men In Saffron to allow them to engage in this wasteful and ultimately destructive practice - they couldn't harvest time for other purposes if it was being converted to flarelight and destroyed - and Time herself would likely have considered it demarcation. However, if the History Monks avoid changing events that pre-date their own founding, to avoid irreconcilable paradoxes, and if Time herself were distracted by Wen's courtship at the moment Dios appeared from the future, then neither would've been in a position to derail the StableTimeLoop's initial formation. Once the looping priest had made a solid impact on the Djel valley's history, all they could do was let the Loop run its course, while minimizing the temporal damage to nearby regions.

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