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** At another point, Abbot asks Lu-Tze in surprise if he had read the most ancient and forbidden scrolls of their order despite being a simple sweeper. Some of those scrolls describe Wen's courtship with Time and some other deeper secrets that are not to be shared with someone until they are very high in the monastery's hierarchy. Lu-Tze replies that the secret room was dusty and needed cleaning and dismissively says that those scrolls are mostly filled with love poetry. If the above theory is true, then Lu-Tze didn't just read the scrolls, he had written them, in memory of Wen.
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Plus it just seems like such a Pratchett thing to do, to have such a small line really show far more about s character's depth than you'd be able to get with just one read through.
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Plus it just seems like such a Pratchett thing to do, to have such a small line really show far more about s character's depth than you'd be able to get with just one read through.
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[[WMG: The Angel with the Iron Book is [[Literature/GoodOmens Aziraphale]].]]
Or the Discworld version of him. They seem to have similar personalities.
Or the Discworld version of him. They seem to have similar personalities.
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Or the Discworld version of him. They seem to have similar personalities.
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** It just says he was stopped from doing so, it doesn't say what happened after that. There's no reason to believe he didn't learn his lesson and get reincarnated into the 60th Abbot. Come to think of it, there's no evidence in the books that there's any procedure to make someone else the Abbot even if he ''didn't'' learn his lesson. The reincarnation ''is'' the Abbot, even if he's a baby.
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[[WMG: Lu-Tze is actually [[Anime/TengenToppaGurrenLagann Simon the Digger]].]]
Think about it. Ancient badass doing overlooked menial labor. Spiral Power can keep you around for quite a while(as Lordgenome proved.) At some point he decided to see how the universe he saved would turn out. So, he found a new home on an odd little planet, replaced his drill with a broom, and found a menial job in a place where living several centuries wouldn't raise an eyebrow and went about his business.
Think about it. Ancient badass doing overlooked menial labor. Spiral Power can keep you around for quite a while(as Lordgenome proved.) At some point he decided to see how the universe he saved would turn out. So, he found a new home on an odd little planet, replaced his drill with a broom, and found a menial job in a place where living several centuries wouldn't raise an eyebrow and went about his business.
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Think about it. Ancient badass doing overlooked menial labor. Spiral Power can keep you around for quite a while(as Lordgenome proved.) At some point he decided to see how the universe he saved would turn out. So, he found a new home on an odd little planet, replaced his drill with a broom, and found a menial job in a place where living several centuries wouldn't raise an eyebrow and went about his business.
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His broom is his Tardis.
* That would honestly be a big step down.
His broom is his Tardis.
* That would honestly be a big step down.
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** Lady Merosole in ''Discworld/NightWatch'' compares young Havelock to his father, in terms that imply he is deceased by then, and was well known to her.
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** Lady Merosole in ''Discworld/NightWatch'' ''Literature/NightWatchDiscworld'' compares young Havelock to his father, in terms that imply he is deceased by then, and was well known to her.
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Or the Discworld version of him. They seem to have similar personalities.
Or the Discworld version of him. They seem to have similar personalities.
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* Another piece of evidence: Lu-Tze at one point explains to Lobsang that the Abbot frequently uses coded language and plays dumb when talking in front of the senior monks. The specific example was when it seemed like Lu-Tze tricked him into letting him go to Ankh-Morpork with InsaneTrollLogic, but the Abbot knew exactly what he intended and thought letting his best agent follow his instincts was probably wise.
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[[WMG: The Abbot knew (or guessed) more about Lobsang than he let on.]]
When the Abbot, Lu-Tze, and the senior history Monks are discussing what to do with Lobsang, the Abbot asks Lu-Tze to help, and eventually Lu-Tze agrees, saying "I will help him find a Way."
However that wasn't what the Abbot asks. Specifically he says "Will you teach him? The boy needs to...find himself." Given the events later in the book, it seems likely that his choice of wording is no coincidence. There are, after all, many many instances in this book where phrasing and language are important, and brushing specific language off as just an old saying or turn of phrase is done at one's own peril (i.e. the teachings of Mrs. Cosmopilite)
Plus it just seems like such a Pratchett thing to do, to have such a small line really show far more about s character's depth than you'd be able to get with just one read through.
When the Abbot, Lu-Tze, and the senior history Monks are discussing what to do with Lobsang, the Abbot asks Lu-Tze to help, and eventually Lu-Tze agrees, saying "I will help him find a Way."
However that wasn't what the Abbot asks. Specifically he says "Will you teach him? The boy needs to...find himself." Given the events later in the book, it seems likely that his choice of wording is no coincidence. There are, after all, many many instances in this book where phrasing and language are important, and brushing specific language off as just an old saying or turn of phrase is done at one's own peril (i.e. the teachings of Mrs. Cosmopilite)
Plus it just seems like such a Pratchett thing to do, to have such a small line really show far more about s character's depth than you'd be able to get with just one read through.
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** Not only that, but also this:
-->'''Wen:''' I know the answers to all questions. Ask me.
-->'''Clodpool:''' What does Master want for breakfast?
-->'''Wen:''' Ah, one of the difficult ones.
-->'''Lobsang:''' Can I ask a question?
-->'''Lu-Tze:''' Yes?
-->'''Lobsang:''' ''What the hell is going on?''
-->'''Lu-Tze:''' Ah, one of the difficult ones.
-->'''Wen:''' I know the answers to all questions. Ask me.
-->'''Clodpool:''' What does Master want for breakfast?
-->'''Wen:''' Ah, one of the difficult ones.
-->'''Lobsang:''' Can I ask a question?
-->'''Lu-Tze:''' Yes?
-->'''Lobsang:''' ''What the hell is going on?''
-->'''Lu-Tze:''' Ah, one of the difficult ones.
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[[WMG: Lu-Tze is Clodpool the Apprentice.]]
Clodpool is consistently shown to be not really at home with the enlightened philosophy muck that Wen tosses about, but is also shown to be intensely practical, e.g. asking Wen what he wants for breakfast rather than asking after the aforementioned enlightened philosophy muck. This fits neatly with Lu-Tze's own mindset: he focuses on practical matters like keeping the place clean, resolving conflicts with minimum applied force rather than with big showy actions. In addition, it fits well narratively: Clodpool the Apprentice, frustrated to no end by Wen's repeated attempts to teach him philosophy, goes off to Ankh-Morpork to find his own way, finds it in the practical common sayings of Ms. Cosmopolite, and returns enlightened as Lu-Tze the Sweeper. However, to the others, he's still stupid Clodpool, leading to their contempt of him.
Clodpool is consistently shown to be not really at home with the enlightened philosophy muck that Wen tosses about, but is also shown to be intensely practical, e.g. asking Wen what he wants for breakfast rather than asking after the aforementioned enlightened philosophy muck. This fits neatly with Lu-Tze's own mindset: he focuses on practical matters like keeping the place clean, resolving conflicts with minimum applied force rather than with big showy actions. In addition, it fits well narratively: Clodpool the Apprentice, frustrated to no end by Wen's repeated attempts to teach him philosophy, goes off to Ankh-Morpork to find his own way, finds it in the practical common sayings of Ms. Cosmopolite, and returns enlightened as Lu-Tze the Sweeper. However, to the others, he's still stupid Clodpool, leading to their contempt of him.
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*** Death doesn't hate dogs, he spared Gaspode and Laddie back in ''Moving Pictures'' and played with Scraps in ''Carpe Jugulum''.
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** It's also stated quite clearly that "the young Lu-Tze" was the one to come to Ankh-Morpork seeking perplexity. Presumably that ''had'' to have happened quite a long time ago by Lu-Tze's own perspective, as he's been a little bald wrinkly smiling man since he learned enough to age circularly; indeed, long enough that advice not to act incautiously around such a person rates as the monastery's Rule ''One''.
